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May 15, 2012 4:23:36 AM

Hey everyone..

So i'm in the process of choosing parts for a new rig. Thinkin 16 gigs of ram (corsair vengeance) an 17-2600k sandybridge and a ASRock p67 mobo. This is for a friend (btw) and i believe we'll be swapping in his HDD and his PSU (either 700 or 850 watts i cant remember)

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: Within the next 1-4 weeks. BUDGET RANGE: both are 229 after rebates. in the $180-250 price range if anyone else has a different suggestion.

USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: basically just gaming. I know the i7 and the 16 gigs are overkill for "just gaming," but for right now its what my friend wants. might downgrade though, not sure. He plays all sorts of stuff, League, starcraft, will play diablo and guild wars 2. Has SWtor, etc, etc.

CURRENT GPU AND POWER SUPPLY: I believe he's got an OCZ modxstream 700W or a corsair equivalent (i'll double check tomorrow). He has two classic gtx 9800+ in his old system, but i'm quite sure the only parts we're putting in the new one are his psu and his hdd.

OTHER RELEVANT SYSTEM SPECS: Asrock p67 mobo, 16gig corsair dual channel vengeance memorey (4x4gb), i7-2600k sandybridge. The case will probably be something like this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: I do all my shopping on newegg. USA

PARTS PREFERENCES: none, unless someone will teach my why i should prefer some over others?

OVERCLOCKING: No, sir or madam.

MONITOR RESOLUTION: He just got a new monitor like a month ago and i haven't seen it so i'll have to ask tomorrow as well.

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: none that i can think of. I just want to know which card of the two im suggesting is better, if there will be minimal difference, or if there is another card i should consider.


here are the two cards:

6950 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
gtx 480 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

thanks!

More about : 6950 gtx 480

a c 253 U Graphics card
May 15, 2012 4:44:43 AM

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car... Here is a hierarchy chart that will show you where cards fall in order on the list.
The GTX 480 was and still is a good card but the supply is dwindling and pretty soon they will be out of stock , while the 6950 is still being made and is also a good card. I think of the two I would go with the 480 because it is one level above the 6950. How ever there is another card to consider that would be on the same level as the 480 and that is the AMD 7850.

XFX FX-785A-CNFC Radeon HD 7850 Core Edition 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
$254.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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a c 91 U Graphics card
May 15, 2012 4:50:09 AM

I agree with the 7850 recommendation. however, as a current owner of a sapphire 7970 dual-x, I must say I'm a bit unhappy with the AMD drivers for the 7*** series. as you're building this for a friend, may I ask if you'd be available for semi-regular maintenance/fixes? I ask because I'm guessing you're friend may not jump through the hoops to do the CCC updates, and 12.4 does not cut it (still shows up as 12.3 on CCC)

so overall, I'd still recommend the GTX 480 if simply for peace of mind
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a c 175 U Graphics card
May 15, 2012 11:38:09 AM

480 is a very good card and overall will be faster than the 6950. But, the card will consume a high amount of power and will generate a big amount of heat. If you can handle it, no problem. But Still I would go with the 6950 personally. Or the 7850.
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a c 143 U Graphics card
May 15, 2012 12:27:10 PM

refillable said:
480 is a very good card and overall will be faster than the 6950. But, the card will consume a high amount of power and will generate a big amount of heat. If you can handle it, no problem. But Still I would go with the 6950 personally. Or the 7850.

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May 15, 2012 2:16:56 PM

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may I ask if you'd be available for semi-regular maintenance/fixes? I ask because I'm guessing you're friend may not jump through the hoops to do the CCC updates, and 12.4 does not cut it (still shows up as 12.3 on CCC)


I'll be around for the next 6 weeks or so, but tbh i hate dealing with AMD drivers as well. That catalyst control center or whatever it's called has been a pain in the butt more than once for me.. I don't own an AMD card but i have put some in other computers..

So basically, as i understand it, these GPUs will all perform similarly; and if my friend is just gaming he probably won't notice much of a difference?

taking look at this chart (and i'm not sure exactly how credible it is) It looks like all 3 of the cards in discussion are fairly close and in the top 20ish.. can i really go wrong?
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a c 143 U Graphics card
May 15, 2012 2:37:05 PM

GTX 480>HD 7850>HD 6950.
Difference between GTX 480 and HD 7850 around 5%, difference between GTX 480 and HD 6950 is 15%.

The main problem of the GTX 480 is that it runs really hot will reach 90C when you play hardcore games and also will consume a lot of power compared to HD 6950 or HD 7850.
Best bang for buck among those cards is the HD 7850. Regarding the above quote, personally I had few problems with AMD drivers, in most cases my HD 6950 performs as it should be I don't upgrade unless I'm encountering a serious problem.
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a c 253 U Graphics card
May 15, 2012 3:09:12 PM

While the AMD drivers can be a pain as I have seen many times on this forum with people asking for help. It would be ok to get an AMD card if you loaded the drivers and it worked fine and just did't upgrade the drivers every time a new driver came out. You only need to upgrade the driver if it's going to make a substansal difference in a game or you are having issues with the current driver.
Having said that the AMD 7850 would be the best choice and instead of a GTX 480 how about a 570? Less heat and power consumption and the prices are coming down and with rebates you can get a good deal.

EVGA 012-P3-1571-KR GeForce GTX 570 HD w/Display-Port (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
$299.99 and a $25 rebate that makes the final price $274.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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May 15, 2012 3:28:29 PM

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how about a 570? Less heat and power consumption and the prices are coming down and with rebates you can get a good deal.


I'll definitely consider it. However, my friend want's to keep everything in the $700-850 range and the i7 2600k is around $310, the 16 gigs of ram is around $100, and the mobo is around $130. So i'm already at roughly $770-820 after getting one of these 4 GPUs.

Like i said earlier, we're planning on swapping out his old PSU and HDD, so the only remaining components are cd/dvd drive and the case itself which will probably combine for at most $80 .. I don't think i'm forgetting anything? Lemme know if i am.

Out of the RAM, CPU, and MOBO that i mentioned in my first post(at least i think i did) what would you guys suggest downgrading, if my friend decides its a tad too much? I was thinking i might drop the i7 2600k sandybridge to an i5 2500k sandybridge, i doubt he really needs the i7, and that's a good $100 less...
Thoughts?
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a c 175 U Graphics card
May 15, 2012 3:30:11 PM

jpsenior said:
sorry. the chart that i was referring to in my last post is here :

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

Regardless, it seems like most of you are suggesting the 7850; i'm strongly considering it.

That is really (no offense) a dumb table. The first time I see it I noticed these:

670 at the top of the table!!!
670 faster than 680
580 faster than 7970
690 slower than 670, 680, 580, 7970, 7950, 570, 480 and 7970M
7870 and 470 faster than 590
7850 faster than 6990
There is one called 'GK104'

And I'm sure that many dumb things are there. Sorry have to say that :) . Please jpsenior, don't use the links again :) . Make sure that the webpage is trusted, like this:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car...
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May 15, 2012 3:39:34 PM

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That is really (no offense) a dumb table. The first time I see it I noticed these:

That is why i said that i wasn't sure how credible it was.
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taking look at this chart (and i'm not sure exactly how credible it is)

And i'm sorry; the site is safe(my Firefox says so, at least), but i won't use outside sources again.
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a c 91 U Graphics card
May 15, 2012 3:45:26 PM

jpsenior said:
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Out of the RAM, CPU, and MOBO that i mentioned in my first post(at least i think i did) what would you guys suggest downgrading, if my friend decides its a tad too much? I was thinking i might drop the i7 2600k sandybridge to an i5 2500k sandybridge, i doubt he really needs the i7, and that's a good $100 less...
Thoughts?
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for gaming downgrade to an i5 2500k and 8GB of ram. he'll never notice a difference. overall you'll save like $150. put that into the GPU and buy a 670 or something and you'll have a beastly gaming machine :D 
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May 15, 2012 3:49:27 PM

So legitimately no need for 16 gigs, regardless of how awesome the GPU is?
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a c 91 U Graphics card
May 15, 2012 3:54:51 PM

jpsenior said:
So legitimately no need for 16 gigs, regardless of how awesome the GPU is?


yup, 16 gigs is only if you want to run 10 virtual desktops all at once or something... the storage is for the CPU, which keeps up with any GPU (even the GTX 690) just fine with 8GB of ram storage
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May 15, 2012 4:22:02 PM

Why is the jump from the gtx 480 to the 580 a $200 dollar difference? it's the card directly above on the GPU chart that has been linked to me here. Is there anything in between? if not, is the 580 really worth $200 more? is it that much better than the 7850 or 570 or 6950 etc..
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a b U Graphics card
May 15, 2012 4:47:00 PM

No its not worth 200 more.. And if you are even considering anything more expensive the 670 is the way to go.. it is the best card for the money right now and if you drop to the i5 2500k and 8 gigs of ram it should be in your price range and that will be a good gaming machine for i would say next 4 years anyway..

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a b U Graphics card
May 15, 2012 5:23:41 PM

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I'd put money that this rig will make him happy. There is no real point in going past an SB i5k/gtx 670 for games out right now. You could get an SLI able mobo for "foolpoofing". As for the ram, he can add 8 gigs later but he can't do the same thing with his gpu. Get a nice CPU cooler.

Otherwise:
7850/570 for $240ish looks ok
480 at $210 or less is fine
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a c 143 U Graphics card
May 15, 2012 5:30:30 PM

jpsenior said:
Why is the jump from the gtx 480 to the 580 a $200 dollar difference? it's the card directly above on the GPU chart that has been linked to me here. Is there anything in between? if not, is the 580 really worth $200 more? is it that much better than the 7850 or 570 or 6950 etc..

GTX 580 was the top end in the last generation, nVidia hasn't dropped prices of this series yet that's why it's still overpriced.
But actually it's a great card, performs a lot better than the mentioned cards above but still the newer GTX 670 which is priced the same is the best value for money and performance per dollar.
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