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OH GOD WHY (Rig broke, no BIOS)

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July 8, 2012 10:59:52 AM

Not sure if this is the right forum but here I go...

Recently I've built my new rig. It's all set up, here are the specs;

ASUS P8Z77-V MOBO
Enermax Platimax 650W PSU
Intel i5 3570k CPU
EVGA GTX 670 2GB GPU
Xigmatek Aegir (bunch of numbers) CPU cooler/heatsink
Corsair 400R Case

(Not in usage, currently)
Crucial m4 256gb SSD

Now, my problem is, when I turn it on, I get no BIOS. I'm not expecting and POST beeps since my MOBO/case doesn't have an onboard beepy speaker or whatever you call it. However, my MOBO does have error lights, and what happens is a couple of them flash on for a second on boot (I think the RAM one and the GPU one).

Not everything is plugged in. All I have is my MOBO 24P connector, the CPU 8p connector (2 four pins), the heatsink fan is plugged into the fan thing, and all those annoying tiny things (Power LED, Reset LED, etcetera) are plugged in. No hard drive is connected.

One thing I'm a bit confused about is my Display. I only currently have a VGA cable. Should it work if I have it in the onboard video socket? Or will it only work in the GPUs socket? I've tried both, but I thinking maybe my GPU isn't inserted properly? Is this possible - when I boot, the GPUs fans go on, and the red LED goes off almost immediately.

I've got a really bad feeling this is going to be nearly impossible to troubleshoot, but please try.

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July 8, 2012 11:06:50 AM

set up without the GPU and just one ram stick.
July 8, 2012 11:24:58 AM

Do I need to remove the GPU completely or can I just pull out the power wires (you know, the pin connectors)?
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July 8, 2012 11:25:55 AM

If running with a video card your display should be plugged into that. Is the PCIe power connector to your GPU connected (that's a high end GPU which needs extra power)?
July 8, 2012 11:32:37 AM

Don't worry about error lights unless one stays lit. I'd pull out the GPU entirely to do that test (just to be sure)
July 8, 2012 12:03:16 PM

Okay, I pulled the GPU out and pulled one of the RAM sticks out (I actually forgot that in the specs - I have two 4GB DDR3-1600mhz Corsair Vengeance RAM).

Unfortunately, from what I can tell, this changes absolutely nothing - still not BIOS.
July 8, 2012 12:04:16 PM

SchizTech said:
If running with a video card your display should be plugged into that. Is the PCIe power connector to your GPU connected (that's a high end GPU which needs extra power)?


Yes. You mean the pinned wires coming from the PSU to the GPU?
July 8, 2012 12:04:41 PM

might be a bad mobo, but try the othe ram chip to be sure
July 8, 2012 12:15:30 PM

ScrewySqrl said:
might be a bad mobo, but try the othe ram chip to be sure


Well, balls.
July 8, 2012 12:20:34 PM

I'm assuming when you say "no BIOS" you mean you're getting no output to the display at all (you have to press delete on startup to invoke the BIOS configuration utility on an ASUS board). Could you just be more clear on that point?

Otherwise , yeah. I'd suspect a bad board
July 8, 2012 12:27:33 PM

SchizTech said:
I'm assuming when you say "no BIOS" you mean you're getting no output to the display at all (you have to press delete on startup to invoke the BIOS configuration utility on an ASUS board). Could you just be more clear on that point?

Otherwise , yeah. I'd suspect a bad board


Yeah... I mean no output.

What should I do? Should I ship it to ASUS? Or is that very unlikely to work out? Do I need to call them first?
July 8, 2012 12:29:59 PM

How recently did you purchase the board and from what store/site? If it's covered by the site's returns policy file an RMA with them for replacement. Otherwise call ASUS and ask for replacement.
July 8, 2012 12:38:58 PM

SchizTech said:
How recently did you purchase the board and from what store/site? If it's covered by the site's returns policy file an RMA with them for replacement. Otherwise call ASUS and ask for replacement.


I got it from amazon a couple of days back. Also, I've ripped the anti-static bag... will I have to get a new one (is that even possible?), or can I just sellotape up the sides or something?

July 8, 2012 1:08:14 PM

Is there anything else is could possibly be? Keep in mind it's my first build so don't put anything really stupid past me...

Could it be CPU related? Or PSU related? Or should I just return the damn board (such a pain!)?
July 8, 2012 1:29:12 PM

You mentioned that you have plugged in the 24-pin ATX connector, what about the 8-pin one?

It should also be connected to your mobo, the connector is usually in the top left corner of the board.
July 8, 2012 1:31:46 PM

did you line up the little arrow symbol putting in the CPU? if so, no CPU issues (and generally it won't go in if you don't)

you tried your ram chips, and it doesn't work gpu or not. so yeah, i suspect a bad board.

one other possibility is if you didn't install the motherboard standoffs (unless they are built in to your case)

otherwise, RMA the board. should have no problems
July 8, 2012 1:58:21 PM

cobot said:
You mentioned that you have plugged in the 24-pin ATX connector, what about the 8-pin one?

It should also be connected to your mobo, the connector is usually in the top left corner of the board.


Yeah, got them both.

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did you line up the little arrow symbol putting in the CPU? if so, no CPU issues (and generally it won't go in if you don't)

you tried your ram chips, and it doesn't work gpu or not. so yeah, i suspect a bad board.

one other possibility is if you didn't install the motherboard standoffs (unless they are built in to your case)

otherwise, RMA the board. should have no problems


Yeah... I suppose it's nice that's the case with the CPU. The standoffs are pre-installed so it's not that. So yeah, I guess I'll have to RMA the damn thing.

July 8, 2012 2:17:31 PM

Hmmm... the only ones that seem possible are;

11. Bent pins
12. Thermal paste where it shouldn't be
21. Resetting the BIOS.

Should I reset the BIOS? I can't find and good tutorials on how to and no info in my manual. The other two... well, if it's bent pins, I'll have to send it back anyways.

I'm actually thinking it may be thermal paste everywhere... what would the solution be to this? Would I even be able to RMA it if that were the case? Can I remove it with 90% rubbing alcohol? It seems like a bad idea to rub the mobo or CPU lol.
July 8, 2012 2:51:24 PM

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To what did you apply thermal paster and how much?? :pfff:  well... you can use alcohol to remove the Thermalpaste, use as much as want because alcohol is not conductive so it wont hurt your motherboard.

You can reset the BIOS by removing the little jumper located near the battery of your motherboard, simply take the jumper off and put it back so it touches the middle pin and the pin it wasnt touching before, after 5 seconds remove the jumper and put it back to its original position

If that doesnt work RMA it.


I applied to the Heatsink (since it'a DHT or whatever you call them - with the heat pipes making contact with the CPU) and I think I may have applied too much.

I'll try the BIOS thing.
July 8, 2012 3:36:41 PM

Yes, the battery should just "pop" out.
July 8, 2012 3:38:33 PM

It won't hurt the board
July 8, 2012 4:08:47 PM

Arghh I can't get it out. It's covered by a rubber "base" and there's nowhere to grip the battery itself. There seems to be some kind of tab coming out of the side but pulling it doesn't seem to accomplish much. I've been trying for a good five minutes... is it supposed to hard or am I doing something wrong? There just seems to be nowhere to leverage it from.
July 8, 2012 4:09:43 PM

Woops I don't think the base is rubber, just black plastic or something.
July 8, 2012 4:16:26 PM

Make sure the power is off and the power cord unplugged, and if you have something with a fine tip like a small flat-head screwdriver just gently pry the battery off from the edge (where the tab is). It should pop out of the plastic base.

July 8, 2012 4:47:18 PM

SchizTech said:
Make sure the power is off and the power cord unplugged, and if you have something with a fine tip like a small flat-head screwdriver just gently pry the battery off from the edge (where the tab is). It should pop out of the plastic base.


Okay, finally got that bastard out, then waited five minutes, put it back in, and... nothing. No difference. It was worth a shot!

So, I guess I should take the motherboard out on it's own now?
July 8, 2012 4:54:49 PM

Envirobear2000 said:
Okay, finally got that bastard out, then waited five minutes, put it back in, and... nothing. No difference. It was worth a shot!

So, I guess I should start dismantling my case and get the board out on it's own?


Pretty much. There's a very small chance the PSU or CPU are causing problems, but the most likely scenario is motherboard.

As far as thermal grease goes, unless you put down such a huge amount that it spills over from the CPU socket out onto the circuit board ( :o  ), the most likely effect is that you might get somehwat higher temps from having a bit too much grease but no serious damage. The CPU heats up pretty fast when you power on.. but not that fast that it won't boot!
July 8, 2012 5:07:07 PM

the board is fine..the cpu is fine..stop trying to pull parts off your mb before you kill it. you dont have to rma it or pull it out of the case. if you read the cpu support list the mb you have wont post with your cpu in it till you flash the bios. the bios 0801 that comes with the mb is missing the cpu code for ib chips. your mb like mine has the usb flash back port on the back
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADcdnwMjd_I

start with the the next bios 09xx flash the bios when it done try posting. if it wont post then do the 10x bios. when the mb does post you see a message rebuilding the bios do not power off then the mb will reboot and you see the asus splash logo. when you get to the logo go into the bios hit f5 save and exit and then flash the mb with the other bios. as you flash the newer ones boot into windows hit f5 save and reboot then go back in and on the first page of the asus efi bios will have the bios rev there.
July 8, 2012 5:33:43 PM

smorizio said:
the board is fine..the cpu is fine..stop trying to pull parts off your mb before you kill it. you dont have to rma it or pull it out of the case. if you read the cpu support list the mb you have wont post with your cpu in it till you flash the bios. the bios 0801 that comes with the mb is missing the cpu code for ib chips. your mb like mine has the usb flash back port on the back
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADcdnwMjd_I

start with the the next bios 09xx flash the bios when it done try posting. if it wont post then do the 10x bios. when the mb does post you see a message rebuilding the bios do not power off then the mb will reboot and you see the asus splash logo. when you get to the logo go into the bios hit f5 save and exit and then flash the mb with the other bios. as you flash the newer ones boot into windows hit f5 save and reboot then go back in and on the first page of the asus efi bios will have the bios rev there.


Well, I'll try it, but looking here;

http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/P8Z7...

It seems BIOS 801 is enough.... but I guess no harm in trying it.
July 8, 2012 5:46:25 PM

depends on your cpu and the cpu stepping of the cpu. there only showing two cpu steppings but what if intel made more???
i know my sabertooth and my 3540 would not post till i have the newer bios on it.
July 8, 2012 6:16:07 PM

smorizio said:
depends on your cpu and the cpu stepping of the cpu. there only showing two cpu steppings but what if intel made more???
i know my sabertooth and my 3540 would not post till i have the newer bios on it.


Thanks, but it didn't work. Went all the way to 12xx and still no results.

You got my hopes up there!
July 8, 2012 6:29:23 PM

with the gpu removed from the mb the onboard vga port should work. if the usb flashback worked...blinked faster then the light went out when the bios was flashed. (had the bios files renamed right). sounds like ie your missing the case standoffs and grounding the mb out to the case...the i\o shield is shorting the mb out. or the mb is touching the case or the cpu cooler tuching somthing and shorting out or the after market cooler on to tight. (one of the ram sticks is bad or there a bad ram slot on the mb.
try using one stick...walk it into the all the slots.. then swap sticks. try using the mem ok button. there a bent pin under the cpu.
the power supply is missing one leg of voltage so the mb cant post.
July 8, 2012 6:44:05 PM

smorizio said:
with the gpu removed from the mb the onboard vga port should work. if the usb flashback worked...blinked faster then the light went out when the bios was flashed. (had the bios files renamed right). sounds like ie your missing the case standoffs and grounding the mb out to the case...the i\o shield is shorting the mb out. or the mb is touching the case or the cpu cooler tuching somthing and shorting out or the after market cooler on to tight. (one of the ram sticks is bad or there a bad ram slot on the mb.
try using one stick...walk it into the all the slots.. then swap sticks. try using the mem ok button. there a bent pin under the cpu.
the power supply is missing one leg of voltage so the mb cant post.


Yes, the BIOS Flashback seemed to works.

It can't be the standoffs as all nine are pre-installed on the Corsair 400R.

What do you mean by "the I/O shield is shorting out the MOBO"? How do I fix this if it's the case?

July 8, 2012 7:15:18 PM

smorizio said:
with the gpu removed from the mb the onboard vga port should work. if the usb flashback worked...blinked faster then the light went out when the bios was flashed. (had the bios files renamed right). sounds like ie your missing the case standoffs and grounding the mb out to the case...the i\o shield is shorting the mb out. or the mb is touching the case or the cpu cooler tuching somthing and shorting out or the after market cooler on to tight. (one of the ram sticks is bad or there a bad ram slot on the mb.
try using one stick...walk it into the all the slots.. then swap sticks. try using the mem ok button. there a bent pin under the cpu.
the power supply is missing one leg of voltage so the mb cant post.


WELL. I just tried Breadboarding it... so I think that rules out any short-invoked errors.

What do you mean by "the power supply is missing one leg of voltage"?

Do you still think that leaves faulty MOBO as the most likely option?
July 8, 2012 9:46:46 PM

try with it out of the case one stick of ram..try it in each slot if you get no post try the other stick of ram. if you have a old ps see if you can use it to see if the new ps is at fault or the mb. ps have three main legs 3.3/5/12. if one of them is below spec a mb wont post. also check that your not using a 6 by 2 cable for the 8 pin power on the mb. the cable should be marked 8 pin eps cable. on some power supply is a 4 by 4 connector. sometime it fits fine sometime you can only get 4 pins to lock in.
on the i\o shields the fingers used to hold the i\o shield in can be to long and go into the usb or network ports.
July 8, 2012 10:05:54 PM

smorizio said:
try with it out of the case one stick of ram..try it in each slot if you get no post try the other stick of ram. if you have a old ps see if you can use it to see if the new ps is at fault or the mb. ps have three main legs 3.3/5/12. if one of them is below spec a mb wont post. also check that your not using a 6 by 2 cable for the 8 pin power on the mb. the cable should be marked 8 pin eps cable. on some power supply is a 4 by 4 connector. sometime it fits fine sometime you can only get 4 pins to lock in.
on the i\o shields the fingers used to hold the i\o shield in can be to long and go into the usb or network ports.


Do you mean, for the CPU power, on the top-left of the board?

Are you saying, make sure it's not 2 six pin connectors? The one I'm using is two 4 pin connectors going into an 8 pin connector.
July 8, 2012 11:52:32 PM

thats the right one then
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