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Why does my ATI radeon 5670 powercolor 1 GB DDR3 needs a 6 pin PCI E?

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May 15, 2012 12:40:28 PM

Currently I've search all of the 5670 card and it has no required 6 pins. Did I buy the fake one? Or did the salesman cheated me or factory fault?

and another question is.. what does Extra power (6pins) do to the GPU is it important??
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May 15, 2012 12:52:03 PM

im not sure if the 5670 comes with an 6 pin pcie power or not but it basically means the card needs additional power. yes it is important because the card will not display anything on the monitor unless you give it the power it needs and is designed for
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May 15, 2012 12:56:44 PM

hmmm....that is strange....i cant even find that on the powercolor website...

i have seen instances where engineering samples have made it too the open market.

or perhaps a mis-branded 57xx???

either way....only one way too find out

FIRE THAT BAD BITCH UP!!!
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May 15, 2012 1:29:18 PM

alvine said:
im not sure if the 5670 comes with an 6 pin pcie power or not but it basically means the card needs additional power. yes it is important because the card will not display anything on the monitor unless you give it the power it needs and is designed for



If my GPU requires 6 pins is it powerful?
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May 15, 2012 1:57:35 PM

yes and no. 7750 doesnt require a 6pin and is faster
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May 15, 2012 2:00:46 PM

I took out an ASUS EN8400GTS from my cousin's PC and it requires no extra pins, and it worked for him..So you're probably fine... I hope.
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May 15, 2012 2:01:08 PM

hd 5670 is not ddr3 its ddr5
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May 15, 2012 2:05:29 PM

devilking said:
hd 5670 is not ddr3 its ddr5



No! there are DDR3 but only 1 GB i think??.. I'm not kidding there is. go to the powercolor website.
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May 15, 2012 2:42:06 PM

fajardokier said:
Currently I've search all of the 5670 card and it has no required 6 pins. Did I buy the fake one? Or did the salesman cheated me or factory fault?

and another question is.. what does Extra power (6pins) do to the GPU is it important??
HELP! :( 

I doubt whether you got 5670. Can you show us the picture of the box it came in & the card itself showing the 6PIN PCIe?
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May 16, 2012 2:28:48 AM

randomkid said:
I doubt whether you got 5670. Can you show us the picture of the box it came in & the card itself showing the 6PIN PCIe?

Heres the PCI E connector itself
http://t.co/4JWQhTZJ

And the GPU BOX
http://t.co/YJbfkN9H
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May 16, 2012 6:59:51 AM

fajardokier said:
Heres the PCI E connector itself
http://t.co/4JWQhTZJ

And the GPU BOX
http://t.co/YJbfkN9H

You got the 5670 alright. But I can not make out the PCIe connector in your picture but the cable you are connecting to it does not seem like PCIe.
It's really strange if it does have the PCIe connector. Powercolor website specify no PCIe power connector. But your box somewhat look different than what is in the website with yours saying something like 2GB (blurr ) under the labels 1GB & DVI/CRT/HDMI.
http://www.powercolor.com/us/products_features.asp?id=3...
I guess it makes your 5670 a collector's item. :) 

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May 16, 2012 7:24:51 AM

randomkid said:
You got the 5670 alright. But I can not make out the PCIe connector in your picture but the cable you are connecting to it does not seem like PCIe.
It's really strange if it does have the PCIe connector. Powercolor website specify no PCIe power connector. But your box somewhat look different than what is in the website with yours saying something like 2GB (blurr ) under the labels 1GB & DVI/CRT/HDMI.
http://www.powercolor.com/us/products_features.asp?id=3...
I guess it makes your 5670 a collector's item. :) 

No my PSU doesn't have 6 pin thats why I made myself a 6 pin which is copper cables.. And in my box it said 1 GB DDR3 and below is the hdmi etc and below that is hyper memory up to 2.8 GB. And in my computer I've checked what card is it. It says ati 5600/5700 that only appears even in GPUZ. I have a question... What is collectors item do? Or something.
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May 16, 2012 7:36:02 AM

A collector item is something out of the ordinary and rare.

If it is not too much trouble for you & for the interest of making doubly sure, can you unplug your 6PIN copper cable & take picture of the graphics cards on its own showing the whole card with a clear view of the 6PIN PCIe socket in it.

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May 16, 2012 8:06:59 AM

randomkid said:
A collector item is something out of the ordinary and rare.

If it is not too much trouble for you & for the interest of making doubly sure, can you unplug your 6PIN copper cable & take picture of the graphics cards on its own showing the whole card with a clear view of the 6PIN PCIe socket in it.

Okay sure! I'll show you everything. But I'll show you next 2 hours because I'm not home yet :) 
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May 16, 2012 8:29:34 AM

AXLE made one that needed, well it had a PCIE connector.

Mactronix :) 
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May 16, 2012 11:12:47 AM

randomkid said:
A collector item is something out of the ordinary and rare.

If it is not too much trouble for you & for the interest of making doubly sure, can you unplug your 6PIN copper cable & take picture of the graphics cards on its own showing the whole card with a clear view of the 6PIN PCIe socket in it.

Okay here is my whole GPU
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/341/img3786g.jpg/

Here is the 6 pin
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/209/img3790d.jpg/

Here is my 6 pin again
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/607/img3792fw.jpg/

Here is my back panel
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/840/img3788q.jpg/

Here is my Outputs
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/268/img3793up.jpg/

And my Whole GPU again
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/268/img3795vu.jpg/

By the way I'm going to remind you again.. if i'm going to check my gpu in "Right click>Screen resolution>advance settings and adapter it only shows ATI 5600/5700 and it's not like this ati 5670 series, even GPU Z.

And another thing If I put my GPU without the 6pin to molex it does not work but if I put it, it works normally :) )

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May 17, 2012 8:59:34 AM

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/688/capturegpu.jpg...

here is the advanced setting in screen resolution of my 5670.
Your card may be one of the prototype ones that ati produced at first hand and gradually upgraded them and sold the old ones to card manufacturers that's why no specific card number in your card
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May 17, 2012 9:20:12 AM

devilking said:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/688/capturegpu.jpg...

here is the advanced setting in screen resolution of my 5670.
Your card may be one of the prototype ones that ati produced at first hand and gradually upgraded them and sold the old ones to card manufacturers that's why no specific card number in your card

So do you thinks that's true?? or maybe I just got the other cards?
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May 17, 2012 11:18:41 AM

fajardokier said:
Okay here is my whole GPU
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By the way I'm going to remind you again.. if i'm going to check my gpu in "Right click>Screen resolution>advance settings and adapter it only shows ATI 5600/5700 and it's not like this ati 5670 series, even GPU Z.

And another thing If I put my GPU without the 6pin to molex it does not work but if I put it, it works normally :) )

Thanks a lot. Your card is really interesting. Can you take a screenshot of your GPU-Z too. It should tell the number of shaders & other GPU specs that we could check against the 5670 specs.
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May 17, 2012 11:37:18 AM

post gpuz screenshot and i will post mine and u can compare
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May 17, 2012 12:52:21 PM

randomkid said:
Thanks a lot. Your card is really interesting. Can you take a screenshot of your GPU-Z too. It should tell the number of shaders & other GPU specs that we could check against the 5670 specs.

HAHA thanks! but we still don't know if it is fake or something.
Here it is:

1st tab

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/806/34545373.jpg/

2nd tab

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/210/38262994.png/

If you can't see it well there is a zoom. point your mouse at the picture and there will be a little pop up then click the magnifying glass
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May 17, 2012 2:32:00 PM

your gpu is juniper which is used for 5770 not for 5670. codename for 5670 is red wood. 5770 has 6 pin power cable. So it is evident that your card is a downgraded 5770 prototype on which they experimented the beginning with ddr 3 memory
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May 17, 2012 2:37:41 PM

Are you really sure? Why does my default clock same with ati 5670?
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May 17, 2012 2:43:57 PM

some things are higher than 5670 like in 5770 e.g transistor count 1.04 billion in 5770 (same as yours). your card is originally manufactured by ati not powercolor (watch subvendor category yours has ati aib mine in xfx.) your memory is down sized due its instability with ddr 3 memory 5670 has 1000Mhz as default yours in 667.

from the observation you can make your own conclusion
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May 17, 2012 2:45:44 PM

fajardokier said:
Are you really sure? Why does my default clock same with ati 5670?


your default clock should have been higher as it is juniper gpu. as i said it was downgraded from 5770 to 5670 due to instability with ddr 3 memory
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May 17, 2012 2:53:10 PM

devilking said:
your default clock should have been higher as it is juniper gpu. as i said it was downgraded from 5770 to 5670 due to instability with ddr 3 memory

So what's the real answer? is it just a mix of ati 5670 and 5770? or test? and why do they sell it tho? and my box is powercolor but what you've said it's ati company who build that one.
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May 17, 2012 3:08:36 PM

i didnt say the card was built by ati aib it was written in your gpu z screenshot (subvendor category). Your card is ok. its just a downgraded version of 5770(thats why the 6pin connector) which is a great card. you may get better performance than 5670 sometimes. compare the gpuz of mine and yours. yours show juniper gpu which confims it that its a 5770 not 5670. if it was 5670 it would show redwood. your should work just fine. dont be shy to tell people that u have 5770 in price of 5670....
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May 18, 2012 6:43:21 AM

devilking said:
i didnt say the card was built by ati aib it was written in your gpu z screenshot (subvendor category). Your card is ok. its just a downgraded version of 5770(thats why the 6pin connector) which is a great card. you may get better performance than 5670 sometimes. compare the gpuz of mine and yours. yours show juniper gpu which confims it that its a 5770 not 5670. if it was 5670 it would show redwood. your should work just fine. dont be shy to tell people that u have 5770 in price of 5670....

Is my GPU medium end card then?
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May 18, 2012 7:02:06 AM

@Fajardokier: Its hard to say where it fits. In terms of shaders, you got 640 which is 240 (60%) more than the 5670. With GPU clock same at 775 you should get better performance except for the slower Memory clock of 667Mhz instead of 1000 on the normal 5670. Overall I think you will get better performance than ordinary 5670. If you can OC the RAM then you could get more from it.

PS: To get better/more specific screen shot for GPU-Z or any window, click on the window & press "Alt"+"Prt Sc" & you can get without the whole desktop in the image.
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May 18, 2012 8:45:25 AM

due to limitation of bandwidth of ddr3 21.3gbs your card will give same performace as5670 which in reality have gddr5 memory 64gbs. OC is not recommended on the card as it will have instability issue with ddr3 memory
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May 18, 2012 8:48:09 AM

5670 is in reality a medium budget end card which can play all games in 1080p resolution but with turning off the dx11 eye candy and anti aliasing. Said from my personal experience.
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May 18, 2012 12:38:16 PM

devilking said:
5670 is in reality a medium budget end card which can play all games in 1080p resolution but with turning off the dx11 eye candy and anti aliasing. Said from my personal experience.

So this is my last question... what is the positive that my GPU is better than 5670 (which I thought is mine) and the negative side of the GPU.


(last question and this forums is solved!
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May 18, 2012 12:39:33 PM

randomkid said:
@Fajardokier: Its hard to say where it fits. In terms of shaders, you got 640 which is 240 (60%) more than the 5670. With GPU clock same at 775 you should get better performance except for the slower Memory clock of 667Mhz instead of 1000 on the normal 5670. Overall I think you will get better performance than ordinary 5670. If you can OC the RAM then you could get more from it.

PS: To get better/more specific screen shot for GPU-Z or any window, click on the window & press "Alt"+"Prt Sc" & you can get without the whole desktop in the image.

So this is my last question... what is the positive that my GPU is better than 5670 (which I thought is mine) and the negative side of the GPU.


(last question and this forums is solved!
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May 18, 2012 1:13:46 PM

fajardokier said:
So this is my last question... what is the positive that my GPU is better than 5670 (which I thought is mine) and the negative side of the GPU.


(last question and this forums is solved!


it will perform like 5670 thats why they branded it as 5670 not 5770. If it performed better than 5670 then they would have surely sold the card as 5770 in higher price (Why a company will sell a better card in lesser price). any other difference can be traced only by performance comparison u can use fraps for measuring fps in games and then post it here (with all the graphics setting of the said game) and I can compare with mine xfx5670. then u may definitely know is it better than real 5670 or not. And please dont use battlefield 3 as the benchmarking game as i dont have that 1. crysis 2 will do
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May 19, 2012 5:03:30 PM

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May 19, 2012 5:23:04 PM

I have to say this has been one of the most interesting threads I have ever read on the Tom's forums! Awesome card man! Like randomkid said, that's a collector's item!
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January 14, 2013 7:48:41 PM

Hey, does your card work if you do not connect the 6 pin power connector? My PSU doesnt have a 6 pin. And itz a 300W PSU. Can I get this thing to work on my system if I only connect the PCIE slot?? will it draw power from there?
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