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First build, for recording and general [non gaming]

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July 8, 2012 9:42:21 PM

So I've gotten advice from others already and I think I've got a decent build here, but I'm hoping you guys can confirm everything is OK and make any recommendations. I'm looking to be below the $800 mark (hardware wise), and this is not a gaming cpu. I don't do any gaming at all. Only thing I use my computer for is internet browsing, watching the occasional video, and home recording. To record I connect a Presonus Firebox to my computer (via firewire). Recording done using Cubase 5 currently.

Here's my proposed build. Again this is a first build so I need everything and hopefully everything is listed. I know I need an OS as well. I'm going windows, either 7 64 bit or win8 if I can possibly run the pre-release.
edit: I thought I saw one before, but now I'm not sure if any of my components have a 1394 port. So if someone could recommend the best method to give myself one (only need one).

RAIDMAX SMILODON ATX-612WB Black/Silver 1.0mm SECC Steel ATX Mid Tower Foldout MB Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

AMD FX-4100 Zambezi 3.6GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) Socket AM3+ 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor FD4100WMGUSBX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS M5A97 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Antec EarthWatts Green EA-380D Green 380W Continuous power ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Acer G235HAbd 23'' WideScreen LCD monitor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 5450 1GB 64-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready Low Profile Ready Video Card ( 100292DDR3L)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Microsoft Comfort Curve Keyboard 2000
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GEAR HEAD MP2650BLU Blue USB RF Wireless Optical Mouse
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
July 8, 2012 10:04:42 PM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 64.00

or this one with ati 4250 .. hybrid crossfire.. either way this one is like 44 dollars after mail in rebate but 64 up front .. you should get pretty good performance if you dont game even if you do game you should be able to play 1280x720 on most games.. low to medium settings these like faster ram modules so.. just a money saving idea..

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... for firewire addon card .. 9.99
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July 8, 2012 10:13:49 PM

goodguy713 said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

try this .. should be more then enough plus you can cut out the video card unless your just using it for hdmi


So this would replace, in my build, the mobo, cpu, and video card? So about a $100 savings. For the video, I just want to be able to watch HD videos on my computer. Ideally I'd like to be able to hook it up to an HD tv, but as of now I don't have an immediate need for that.

How much of a performance difference will there be? While I don't do gaming, I spend a LOT of time on my computer, and I hate lag/freezing, etc. Can I still use the same RAM I picked out? Anything else I would need to change? Also, what's the main difference between my initial mobo and this much cheaper one?

As to the above poster... for some reason the link isn't working.
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Anonymous
July 8, 2012 10:38:45 PM

stay away from the FM1 socket!
and Llanos are nothing more than a HTPC dressed up as a "buget gaming" system.
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July 8, 2012 11:22:56 PM

Anonymous said:
stay away from the FM1 socket!
and Llanos are nothing more than a HTPC dressed up as a "buget gaming" system.


not really familiar enough with this stuff to know what's wrong with it. do you have a different suggestion or..

is my original build more than good enough, but just possibly more than I need? I'd rather get quality, newest technology parts and just not have to worry about anything anytime soon (plus I shouldn't have upgrade issues if I wanted to in the near future).
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Anonymous
July 8, 2012 11:55:56 PM

midrange said:
not really familiar enough with this stuff to know what's wrong with it. do you have a different suggestion or..

is my original build more than good enough, but just possibly more than I need? I'd rather get quality, newest technology parts and just not have to worry about anything anytime soon (plus I shouldn't have upgrade issues if I wanted to in the near future).

staying with the AM3+ socket that you have will give you more flexibility as piledriver, the next AMD CPUs, will be using it.
you may want to look at a 6450 gpu quite a bit better than a 5450 w/o any more power required:
GIGABYTE GV-R645OC-1GI Radeon HD 6450 $46.99
as far as the CPU, i am not sure a 4100 will give you the performance in cubase 5 you want.if the software makes use of the cores/modules then it will be great. if not then a
AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition $119.99
will be much better. since you are not using a graphics card that requires an amount of power, the PSU you picked out to still cover the components well enough with that.
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July 9, 2012 12:23:33 AM

Anonymous said:
staying with the AM3+ socket that you have will give you more flexibility as piledriver, the next AMD CPUs, will be using it.
you may want to look at a 6450 gpu quite a bit better than a 5450 w/o any more power required:
GIGABYTE GV-R645OC-1GI Radeon HD 6450 $46.99
as far as the CPU, i am not sure a 4100 will give you the performance in cubase 5 you want.if the software makes use of the cores/modules then it will be great. if not then a
AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition $119.99
will be much better. since you are not using a graphics card that requires an amount of power, the PSU you picked out to still cover the components well enough with that.


how will the upgraded video card benefit me? I basically just picked out a well reviewed cheap one.. I was told any gpu these days are more than enough for just watching hd videos.

as for the cpu, the 965 is the one i initially picked out. then i was recommended the 4100 since its faster, cheaper, and newer technology. why would the 965 run cubase better, or how would i find out if it does?
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July 9, 2012 12:39:53 AM

:non:  Oh no, whoever told you that the FX-4100 is better than 965 is severely mistaken. It is newer, however it is not as fast. The 965 has more efficient cores and instead of a 2 module/4 core architecture it has a traditional 4 core architecture that runs more more efficiently on current OS's and software. Maybe they can fix this in the future but right now 965 is the way to go.
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July 9, 2012 12:48:02 AM

Ugh.. now I'm confused. So I should go back to the 965? Will it make much of a difference that its AM3 rather than AM3+?

When I had the 965 in the build I had this mobo to go with it:

ASUS M4A87TD EVO AM3 AMD 870 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

And here's cubase's recommendations:http://www.steinberg.net/en/support/steinberg_support_d...

but i'm not sure if that's only for their newest software.
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Anonymous
July 9, 2012 12:54:53 AM

the 6450 will run 5-9 watts lower for an idle/load consumtion and a little less heat and noise. no other advantages since as you know, it really doesn't matter watching videos.

as far as the 'new technology' of a FX cpu, it has been more of an achilles heel than an advantage so far. when an application can make use of the threading of the modules in the architecture, it performs quite great. but if that is not the case, it performs mediocre at best.
it would take a bit of research to find out if cubase can take advantage of that.

after doing a "cubase and bulldozer" on google i found this discussion that points to bulldozer taking advantage:
http://www.steinberg.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=140949&s...

though as far as real world examples; i am not sure what benchmarks would be appropriate.

*disclaimer: not trying to talk trash about anything, just trying to find an objective suggestion and cover the bases.
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July 9, 2012 12:55:32 AM

midrange said:
Ugh.. now I'm confused. So I should go back to the 965? Will it make much of a difference that its AM3 rather than AM3+?

When I had the 965 in the build I had this mobo to go with it:

ASUS M4A87TD EVO AM3 AMD 870 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

And here's cubase's recommendations:http://www.steinberg.net/en/support/steinberg_support_d...

but i'm not sure if that's only for their newest software.


Just use that AM3+ motherboard you had originally. That way if you want to upgrade later you can. AM3 chips run in AM3+ boards, however AM3+ chips dont run in AM3 boards.
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July 9, 2012 1:34:24 AM

Ok, great. So it sounds like I'd be best off if I stick with the original build I posted, but swap the 4100 for the 965? In certain situations the 4100 can run faster, but overall in general I'd be better with the 965?
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July 9, 2012 1:54:32 AM

midrange said:
Ok, great. So it sounds like I'd be best off if I stick with the original build I posted, but swap the 4100 for the 965? In certain situations the 4100 can run faster, but overall in general I'd be better with the 965?


With the right software the FX-4100 is about equal to the 965BE. With most software the 965BE exceeds the FX. People like the FX-4100 for its high stock clock, and it can overclock really well. However the 965BE is an accomplished overclocker.
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July 9, 2012 2:46:23 AM

Well, I must thank you guys for setting things straight. I just placed the order. Ended up going with what I had listed, but I swapped the 965 for the 4100 as you all suggested. I'm sure I'll be more than pleased as for the past 4 years I've been running a simple Gateway with a 1.83 Intel core 2 duo and 4mb ram. I'd like to believe this new build will blow my laptop out of the water.

Anyway, I must really thank you guys, I should've came to this website way sooner. Tons of quick replies! Thanks guys. I still have some time so if I made any huge mistakes feel free to let me know
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