The Canon 5D seems to be coming . . .

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OK. I don't speak Dutch, but I read enough to understand.
With a full sensor, a 2,5 LCD, 12, 5 MP, etc. It promises to be expensive!
I suppose, it will come sans lens.
For me, something to oggle and dream ;-)
Marcel


"deryck lant" <deryck@deryck.com> wrote in message
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> You can order it here, no price yet:
>
> http://www.koopdigitaal.nl/
>
> Some of the leaked info could be imagination, but the basic spec would
> make a lot of sense.
>
> Deryck

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"deryck lant" <deryck@deryck.com> wrote in message
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> You can order it here, no price yet:
>
> http://www.koopdigitaal.nl/
>
> Some of the leaked info could be imagination, but the basic spec
> would
> make a lot of sense.

FWIW, this is a reputable Pro-dealer for Canon (and other stuff) in
the Netherlands, and they are usually amongst the first to receive
delivery.

Bart

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> Bart writes ...
>
>this is a reputable Pro-dealer for Canon (and other stuff) in
>the Netherlands

Can you tell from the site whether this rumoured new body is built on a
20D type body or on a 1D Mark II type body? Would make sense as a 20D
replacement, perhaps?

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"Bill Hilton" <bhilton665@aol.com> wrote in message
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> > Bart writes ...
> >
> >this is a reputable Pro-dealer for Canon (and other stuff) in
> >the Netherlands
>
> Can you tell from the site whether this rumoured new body is built on a
> 20D type body or on a 1D Mark II type body? Would make sense as a 20D
> replacement, perhaps?
>

Another site but with more specs is http://alex.netfun.ro/Canon5D-specs.pdf
Just scroll through the early Spanish/Portugese bits and the specs appear in
English. There are some photos as well. The Dutch specs are confirmed here!

Gerrit - Oz

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"Lee Oswald Ving" <leeoving@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> deryck lant <deryck@deryck.com> wrote in news:313030303138393542FB56FA52
> @deryck.com:
>
>> You can order it here, no price yet:
>>
>> http://www.koopdigitaal.nl/
>>
>> Some of the leaked info could be imagination, but the basic spec would
>> make a lot of sense.
>
> I see no reason at all that this has any credibility.
>
> What is the attraction of this sort of rumormongering, anyways?

Some people have been waiting for such a model.

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Bill Hilton wrote:

> > Gerrit - Oz writes ...
> >
> >Another site but with more specs is http://alex.netfun.ro/Canon5D-specs.pdf
>
> Thanks ... anyone know what "Flecha embargo" means?

embargo date

> And what "Comienzo Venta" means?

will begin/start/commence selling

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"Bill Hilton" <bhilton665@aol.com> wrote in message
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>> Deryck wrote ...
>>
>>You can order it here, no price yet:
>>http://www.koopdigitaal.nl/
>
> A friend from Rotterdam gave me the following rough translation ...
>
> Canon comes with new EOS 5D!
> Rumour becomes truth, Canon introduces a new SRL, the Canon EOS 5D.
>
> This camera has a 12,8 megapixel fullframe sensor (type CMOS 35,8 x
> 23,9 mm). The LCD screen is larger than that of the other models. It's
> a 2,5 inch LCD screen with 230.000 pixels. The mount is built for the
> EF lenses, the EF-S lenses will not fit. The camera has a USB 2.0
> connection and the accu type BP511 has not changed. It is possible to
> enlist now without obligations. The price and the delivery time are
> unknown at the moment. (Enlist via the button "verwacht".)
>

www.tweakers.net .. in the news items .. suggested price ?3459 aka roughly
$4255 .. :-)

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Bill Hilton wrote:

>> Bart writes ...
>>
>>this is a reputable Pro-dealer for Canon (and other stuff) in
>>the Netherlands
>
> Can you tell from the site whether this rumoured new body is built on a
> 20D type body or on a 1D Mark II type body? Would make sense as a 20D
> replacement, perhaps?

It looks like the body is going to be in the $3000.00 range which
puts it considerably above the 20D buyer's market. I think it's
filling another niche as a consumer grade 1Ds..

It's interesting that it has a full frame sensor.. The mass
production that will result in a less expensive camera with a full
frame sensor is bound to reduce the price of the full-frame. I
wonder if this is the writing on the wall for the 1.6 crop
sensor ?

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On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:08:45 -0500, Jim Townsend <not@real.address>
wrote:

>Bill Hilton wrote:
>
>>> Bart writes ...
>>>
>>>this is a reputable Pro-dealer for Canon (and other stuff) in
>>>the Netherlands
>>
>> Can you tell from the site whether this rumoured new body is built on a
>> 20D type body or on a 1D Mark II type body? Would make sense as a 20D
>> replacement, perhaps?
>
>It looks like the body is going to be in the $3000.00 range which
>puts it considerably above the 20D buyer's market. I think it's
>filling another niche as a consumer grade 1Ds..
>
>It's interesting that it has a full frame sensor.. The mass
>production that will result in a less expensive camera with a full
>frame sensor is bound to reduce the price of the full-frame. I
>wonder if this is the writing on the wall for the 1.6 crop
>sensor ?

Not the 1.6 crop but for the 1.3 it is.


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my testimony. The events I have recorded should
not be forgotten and must not be repeated."

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"Dave R knows who" <kilbyfan@spamnotAOL.com> wrote in
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>
> "Lee Oswald Ving" <leeoving@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns96AF5722652CCleeovingyahoocom@208.49.80.188...
>> deryck lant <deryck@deryck.com> wrote in
>> news:313030303138393542FB56FA52 @deryck.com:
>>
>>> You can order it here, no price yet:
>>>
>>> http://www.koopdigitaal.nl/
>>>
>>> Some of the leaked info could be imagination, but the basic spec
>>> would make a lot of sense.
>>
>> I see no reason at all that this has any credibility.
>>
>> What is the attraction of this sort of rumormongering, anyways?
>
> Some people have been waiting for such a model.

I'm one of them. But jumping on rumors isn't going to make such a camera
reality.

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On 11 Aug 2005 11:24:38 -0700, "Bill Hilton" <bhilton665@aol.com>
wrote:

>>Jim Townsend wrote ...
>>
>>It looks like the body is going to be in the $3000.00 range
>>which puts it considerably above the 20D buyer's market.
>>I think it's filling another niche as a consumer grade 1Ds..
>
>My take on it is that this is the film equivalent of the EOS-3, the
>"pro-sumer" body that was better than the Elan at about double the
>price, but less rugged and with slower burst rate than the 1V at about
>half the price. This would make sense in that now there's a digital
>equivalent for each of their film bodies at about 4x the price, ie,
>Rebel to Rebel, Elan to 20D, EOS-3 to 5D, and the 1V and 1V-HS
>parallels are the 1Ds M II and 1D M II.
>
>>It's interesting that it has a full frame sensor
>
>I agree, I'd have thought it would have a 1.3x sensor if it's really an
>EOS-3 spin off. Notice they added just enough pixels to slightly
>eclipe the Nikon D2x (which is a fine camera). Maybe we'll see a 1.3x
>sensor in the 20D replacement at the $1,500 price point one of these
>days? As a wildlife photographer I kind of like the extra reach of the
>1.3x sensor (we have two 1D Mark II's), it's almost like getting a
>tele-converter for free (optically).

There have been threads out on dpreview and Fred Miranda quoting a
Canon executive in a interview that Canon will move to only 2 sensor
sizes.

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my testimony. The events I have recorded should
not be forgotten and must not be repeated."

-James Nachtwey-
http://www.jamesnachtwey.com/

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On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:01:14 -0500, John A. Stovall
<johnastovall@earthlink.net> wrote:

>On 11 Aug 2005 11:24:38 -0700, "Bill Hilton" <bhilton665@aol.com>
>wrote:
>
>>>Jim Townsend wrote ...
>>>
>>>It looks like the body is going to be in the $3000.00 range
>>>which puts it considerably above the 20D buyer's market.
>>>I think it's filling another niche as a consumer grade 1Ds..
>>
>>My take on it is that this is the film equivalent of the EOS-3, the
>>"pro-sumer" body that was better than the Elan at about double the
>>price, but less rugged and with slower burst rate than the 1V at about
>>half the price. This would make sense in that now there's a digital
>>equivalent for each of their film bodies at about 4x the price, ie,
>>Rebel to Rebel, Elan to 20D, EOS-3 to 5D, and the 1V and 1V-HS
>>parallels are the 1Ds M II and 1D M II.
>>
>>>It's interesting that it has a full frame sensor
>>
>>I agree, I'd have thought it would have a 1.3x sensor if it's really an
>>EOS-3 spin off. Notice they added just enough pixels to slightly
>>eclipe the Nikon D2x (which is a fine camera). Maybe we'll see a 1.3x
>>sensor in the 20D replacement at the $1,500 price point one of these
>>days? As a wildlife photographer I kind of like the extra reach of the
>>1.3x sensor (we have two 1D Mark II's), it's almost like getting a
>>tele-converter for free (optically).
>
>There have been threads out on dpreview and Fred Miranda quoting a
>Canon executive in a interview that Canon will move to only 2 sensor
>sizes.

Here's the interview.

http://www.e-fotografija.com/artma [...] _440.shtml

Jernej: At the moment you have two high end cameras. Will the next
generation be just one, high speed and high resolution camera?


Takaya: [nodding] yes
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my testimony. The events I have recorded should
not be forgotten and must not be repeated."

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"Eric Gill" <ericvgill@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Bart van der Wolf" <bvdwolf@no.spam> wrote in news:42fb56f3$0$11068
> $e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl:
SNIP
>> That site is of a reputable Canon Pro-dealer.
>
> ...that would be under a Non Disclosure Agreement if they actually
> knew
> anything about unreleased models.

Why do you think the Advertizing agency that 'leaked' the PDF would
risk losing business to all prospective customers that work with a
NDA?

The leak is more likely part of the advertizing campaign, creating
free publicity to hurt sales of the competitors, and a lot of free
publicity for Canon.

Besides, the dealer doesn't disclose anything that's not out in the
open already, so they may well be taking part in the introduction
effort ...

Bart

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In article <42fba7e9$0$11076$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl>, bvdwolf@no.spam
says...
> The leak is more likely part of the advertizing campaign, creating
> free publicity to hurt sales of the competitors, and a lot of free
> publicity for Canon.
>
> Besides, the dealer doesn't disclose anything that's not out in the
> open already, so they may well be taking part in the introduction
> effort ...
>
> Bart

Those sneaky Dutchmen...
--
http://www.pbase.com/bcbaird

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>John Stovall wrote ...
>
>There have been threads out on dpreview and Fred Miranda quoting
>a Canon executive in a interview that Canon will move to only 2
>sensor sizes.

What was actually said in the article you quote was "Looks like in the
future you'll have two lines of lenses, one for APS size senzor and one
for normal, 35mm senzor size." This is what they've got now (EF-S
lenses for the 1.6x sensor and all the EF lenses, which will fit 1.6x
or 1.3x or 1x sensors). Doesn't automatically follow that they will
drop the 1.3x sensor size from this quote ...

>Here's the interview.
>http://www.e-fotografija.com/artman/publish/article_440.shtml
>Jernej: At the moment you have two high end cameras. Will the next
>generation be just one, high speed and high resolution camera?

I can see where this could mean the 1Ds with full frame and 1D with
1.3x but faster speed will eventually merge into one body with both
high resolution and fast speed and I guess it makes sense that it will
be full frame instead of 1.3x.

Interesting article, thanks for the link ...

Bill

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This would put it in the same price range as the 1D Mk II. It seems odd
that Canon would price it in the same range as one of their
'professional' models. I understand of course the the full frame 1Ds is
$8k. But still....of course this is wishful thinking on my part. I am
hoping it might come in signficantly lower USD.

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"Lee Oswald Ving" <leeoving@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> I'm one of them. But jumping on rumors isn't going to make such a camera
> reality.

"Jumping," I dunno.

But discussing is interesting.

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"Bill Hilton" <bhilton665@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >Jim Townsend wrote ...
>>
>>It looks like the body is going to be in the $3000.00 range
>>which puts it considerably above the 20D buyer's market.
>>I think it's filling another niche as a consumer grade 1Ds..
>
> My take on it is that this is the film equivalent of the EOS-3, the
> "pro-sumer" body that was better than the Elan at about double the
> price, but less rugged and with slower burst rate than the 1V at about
> half the price. This would make sense in that now there's a digital
> equivalent for each of their film bodies at about 4x the price, ie,
> Rebel to Rebel, Elan to 20D, EOS-3 to 5D, and the 1V and 1V-HS
> parallels are the 1Ds M II and 1D M II.
>
>>It's interesting that it has a full frame sensor
>
> I agree, I'd have thought it would have a 1.3x sensor if it's really an
> EOS-3 spin off. Notice they added just enough pixels to slightly
> eclipe the Nikon D2x (which is a fine camera). Maybe we'll see a 1.3x
> sensor in the 20D replacement at the $1,500 price point one of these
> days? As a wildlife photographer I kind of like the extra reach of the
> 1.3x sensor (we have two 1D Mark II's), it's almost like getting a
> tele-converter for free (optically).

With the 350D and the 20D, it seems to me Canon has said from here on the
xxD and xxxD (two-digit and three-digit models) will work with the EF-S
lenses but not a single-digit model, which is why the 5D is named such,
because it cannot receive an EF-S. And, a 1.3x will never carry a two-digit
model number and hence will never be a replacement for the 20D.

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<winhag@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> This would put it in the same price range as the 1D Mk II. It seems odd
> that Canon would price it in the same range as one of their
> 'professional' models. I understand of course the the full frame 1Ds is
> $8k. But still....of course this is wishful thinking on my part. I am
> hoping it might come in signficantly lower USD.

You and me both. I think $2200 is the most I could pay for something that is
not the "1" series.

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"Eric Gill" <ericvgill@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Bart van der Wolf" <bvdwolf@no.spam> wrote in news:42fba7e9$0$11076
> $e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl:
SNIP
>> Why do you think the Advertizing agency that 'leaked' the PDF
>> would risk losing business to all prospective customers that work
>> with a NDA?
>
> Advertising agency?
>
> What advertising agency uses Power Point for printable materials
> instead of a professional page layout package?

The author of the partially translated PDF that showed up on a
Romanian (?) web-site (http://alex.netfun.ro/Canon5D-specs.pdf) works
for an Amsterdam based advertizing agency called Cayenne
Communications. They have amongst others been involved in the Pan
European 20D introduction.
(http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=14557167).

Bart

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"Dave R knows who" <kilbyfan@spamnotAOL.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Mark²" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in message
> news:EgQKe.266$ct5.68@fed1read04...
>>
>> <winhag@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1123796454.387997.206690@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>> This would put it in the same price range as the 1D Mk II. It seems odd
>>> that Canon would price it in the same range as one of their
>>> 'professional' models. I understand of course the the full frame 1Ds is
>>> $8k. But still....of course this is wishful thinking on my part. I am
>>> hoping it might come in signficantly lower USD.
>>
>> If they are talking about the **list price** then it probably will be
>> significantly lower.
>
> Could be, but not by much. The 1D mk II was announced at $4500 according
> to an old dpreview.com news article. IIRC, this model when released sold
> at around $4200 for a long time before dropping to what it is now, about
> $3900. Not a big drop, but it will by you a spare batt and memory card.
> :-)

Perhaps...although they recently ran a $500 rebate, which put it down to
$3400.
It's true that the list prices of late haven't been quite as out of whack as
they used to be compared with street pricing.

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In article <c_PKe.8754$p%3.36370@typhoon.sonic.net>,
Dave R knows who <kilbyfan@spamnotAOL.com> wrote:
>
>
>With the 350D and the 20D, it seems to me Canon has said from here on the
>xxD and xxxD (two-digit and three-digit models) will work with the EF-S
>lenses but not a single-digit model, which is why the 5D is named such,
>because it cannot receive an EF-S. And, a 1.3x will never carry a two-digit
>model number and hence will never be a replacement for the 20D.

5D also fits into Canon's numbering system, in that it would be a digital
EOS3, and the 3 is the camera that replaced the EOS 5. Calling it the 3D is
probably out because some bozo will think it takes 3D pictures.

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>Mark wrote ...
>
> although they recently ran a $500 rebate, which put it down to
> $3400 (for the 1D Mark II)

I interpreted that move as either a sign there will be a replacement
model announced in Sept (which would fit the 18 month upgrade cycle)
and they are moving out existing inventory *or* Nikon's D2x is proving
to be such a worthy competitor (about $5,000 but a lot more megapixels,
with a high speed option using fewer mpix) that Canon felt they had to
lower the price a bit and could do so and still make good profit.

Or both of the above

Bill

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Mark B. wrote:
> "Jim Townsend" <not@real.address> wrote in message
> news:11fn4sijna8d0c0@news.supernews.com...
>
>>It looks like the body is going to be in the $3000.00 range which
>>puts it considerably above the 20D buyer's market. I think it's
>>filling another niche as a consumer grade 1Ds..
>>
>>It's interesting that it has a full frame sensor.. The mass
>>production that will result in a less expensive camera with a full
>>frame sensor is bound to reduce the price of the full-frame. I
>>wonder if this is the writing on the wall for the 1.6 crop
>>sensor ?
>>
>
>
> Seriously doubt it. The 1.6 allows Canon to market a DSLR for under $1k,
> they wouldn't want to lose that.
>
> Mark


5D will mark the day that 1D (1.3x) will be retired once Canon has a new
sensor and DIGIC III processor combo that can handle at least 16.7MP at
8.3fps. Maybe $4000 for 5D based on 20D with 3fps is a bit pricey. How
about $3000? It'd sell quite well.

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"Skip M" <shadowcatcher@cox.net> wrote:
> "Mark²" wrote:

>>> http://alex.netfun.ro/Canon5D-specs.pdf

That must be one _busy_ server<g>.

>> Two best items:
>> Full frame
>> Spot meter (finally!)
>
> That's what got my attention,

Well, it's a 3.5% fat spot, just like the EOS 3. They even have a sensible
weight listed: 810 gm is somewhat heavier than the 20D's 685 gm. Add a
battery and you've got a full two pounds of lead.

Oh, man. If this is real, I'm gonna go nuts. 12MP really isn't quite enough
to replace 645; the Mamiya 55/2.8 and 110/2.8 are lovely sharp lenses, and
probably 2200 ppi is reasonable as digital equivalent pixels. But that's
16MP. And it's going to be more like US$3500 than the US$2500 I was hoping
for. Plus roughly 20% because this is Japan, land of the raped consumer, and
another 5% for sales tax is going to be serious money. More than what a
1Dmk2 costs in the states. Sigh.

On the other hand, 12MP FF will kill the 350D/20D on low-light performance,
so I guess I can position it as a 300D replacement<g>.

But FF + 17-40 + 50/1.4 + 85/1.8 covers a _lot_ of photographic sins (of the
type I commit, any way.)
(The only one I'm missing is the 85.)

> but it says center spot, and has the evaluative linked to the focus point.
> Odd, or just a mistake?

Isn't that a standard thing, to have the matrix/evaluative metering look at
what it thinks you're focusing on? (At least the way I'd use a spot meter is
to set an exposure and point the camera around the scene to verify that
everything was falling where I wanted it, and then adjust exposure and
repeat. (Of course, the other thing to do with a spot meter is to use an AE
mode and set an offset to place one's subject where one wants, at which
point you'd like to spot meter at the AF point.))

David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan