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Anonymous
June 2, 2005 7:25:41 PM

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At level 51, I finally gave the shadow tree a try.

My build is, I think, a classic, pump shadow all the way to shadowform,
pump disc all the way to improved shield.

Before that I was Holy/Disc. More specifically I was a smite/holy fire
specialist.

I have to say I'm really disappointed by this respec.

For one, my average damage dropped by an amount of about 80dps.
For two, my survivability has greatly decreased. Now I have troubles
killing 2 level 45 mobs. When I still was holy I could cruise through 2
level 45 *elites*.
For three, mana consumption is still a problem.

All in all, I've just wasted 15 gold for nothing. Sorry, I meant, now I
have a faster fear, and a silence instant, both of which could help in PVP.
My top-quality damage (with crits and all) is now about 170dps, before I
could flirt with the two fifties. My average damage is now about
130-150, it was more 180-210 before.


Where did I go wrong?

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June 2, 2005 7:25:42 PM

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Babe Bridou <babebridou@hotmail.com> wrote:
> At level 51, I finally gave the shadow tree a try.
>
> My build is, I think, a classic, pump shadow all the way to shadowform,
> pump disc all the way to improved shield.
>
> Before that I was Holy/Disc. More specifically I was a smite/holy fire
> specialist.
>
> I have to say I'm really disappointed by this respec.
>
> For one, my average damage dropped by an amount of about 80dps.

This should only happen if you had items +holy spells or +holy damage and
not spell damage generally. Of course you'll lose dps then but then you
wouldn't complain about, I assume.

> For two, my survivability has greatly decreased. Now I have troubles
> killing 2 level 45 mobs. When I still was holy I could cruise through 2
> level 45 *elites*.

That should not be the case. Once past 25 or so I generally killed
everything up to 5 levels above me. (non-elites). Elites are generally ok
same level, but it gets worse at 50 where they become hard to solo.

> For three, mana consumption is still a problem.

That, however has always been the shadow priest's main problem. I
compensated with much +spi gear up to lvl 40 and afterwards getting as much
+int as I could.

> All in all, I've just wasted 15 gold for nothing. Sorry, I meant, now I
> have a faster fear, and a silence instant, both of which could help in
> PVP. My top-quality damage (with crits and all) is now about 170dps,
> before I could flirt with the two fifties. My average damage is now about
> 130-150, it was more 180-210 before.
>
> Where did I go wrong?

Good question. Hard to answer. Equipment, your way of doing combat in your
new hide, bad layout of shortcuts? Could be lots. Also different mobs have
different resistencies, so those that have holy resist should be far easier
now and those with shadow resists are harder now.

Personally I've reached lvl 60 just yesterday. At around 58 I started to
get 1000 crits with mindblast, but of course it won't raise now until I get
+dmg equipment which at this point I'm still not wearing any (+int all the
way).

If you're not doing it already, try this procedure:

(have PW:F, IF and SF on)
- decide which mob to attack
- cast shield
- get in range (if not already)
- cast mindblast
- follow up with pain
- then with mindflay ASAP
now the mob stands at your side and is hitting your shield. Depending on
mob type and probability that he'll break the shield either cast more
mindflays or one mindblast then mindflay again. Add in vampiric embrace
early if you need to leech back HP's. If you want mana conservation and /
or the mob is not too dangerous, stop casting and start hitting with weapon
and wand.

If there are too many mobs, fear and continue to attack your main target.
Recast shield when necessary. If you want and can manage two, cast pain
early on the second target, maybe with VE to get more health back.

Spice up with any other instant effects you feel like and serve cold.

Better? Worse? Same?

CU

René

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Anonymous
June 2, 2005 7:25:42 PM

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I was a full holy/disc priest from level 10-60. But I left my level 60
priest and re-rolled on another server. With that said...

I am now a level 35 Shadow Priest on Skywall. And personally, leveling a
shadow priest is WAY better then leveling a holy/disc priest. So much
faster and so much convenient. I was taught how to be an efficient shadow
priest by another priest that has always played shadow.

My suggestion is the same as Rene's. However, a slight difference.

Do not use shield. Shield is not mana efficient. Only use shield when
you're extremely low on health. Shield is suppose to be used for a last
minute thing.

Buff with Inner Fire, Fortitude, (Shadowform too, but I'm not high enough to
get that yet.) Open with mind blast, follow my shadow pain, then mindflay.

Use mind blast when you can. When it is on a cooldown timer, use mindflay.
I don't even use smite, it's too slow.

With this strat, I can kill several mobs until I have to sit for mana.

"Babe Bridou" <babebridou@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> At level 51, I finally gave the shadow tree a try.
>
> My build is, I think, a classic, pump shadow all the way to shadowform,
> pump disc all the way to improved shield.
>
> Before that I was Holy/Disc. More specifically I was a smite/holy fire
> specialist.
>
> I have to say I'm really disappointed by this respec.
>
> For one, my average damage dropped by an amount of about 80dps.
> For two, my survivability has greatly decreased. Now I have troubles
> killing 2 level 45 mobs. When I still was holy I could cruise through 2
> level 45 *elites*.
> For three, mana consumption is still a problem.
>
> All in all, I've just wasted 15 gold for nothing. Sorry, I meant, now I
> have a faster fear, and a silence instant, both of which could help in
PVP.
> My top-quality damage (with crits and all) is now about 170dps, before I
> could flirt with the two fifties. My average damage is now about
> 130-150, it was more 180-210 before.
>
>
> Where did I go wrong?
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June 2, 2005 8:24:00 PM

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Rene wrote:

> Babe Bridou <babebridou@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>At level 51, I finally gave the shadow tree a try.
>>
>>My build is, I think, a classic, pump shadow all the way to shadowform,
>>pump disc all the way to improved shield.
>>
>>Before that I was Holy/Disc. More specifically I was a smite/holy fire
>>specialist.
>>
>>I have to say I'm really disappointed by this respec.
>>
>>For one, my average damage dropped by an amount of about 80dps.
>
>
> This should only happen if you had items +holy spells or +holy damage and
> not spell damage generally. Of course you'll lose dps then but then you
> wouldn't complain about, I assume.
>

I think the way I fight is implied, then. I use the same gear as before,
which includes only "+magic damage and healing" mods.


> If you're not doing it already, try this procedure:
>
> (have PW:F, IF and SF on)
> - decide which mob to attack
> - cast shield
> - get in range (if not already)
> - cast mindblast
> - follow up with pain
> - then with mindflay ASAP
> now the mob stands at your side and is hitting your shield. Depending on
> mob type and probability that he'll break the shield either cast more
> mindflays or one mindblast then mindflay again. Add in vampiric embrace
> early if you need to leech back HP's. If you want mana conservation and /
> or the mob is not too dangerous, stop casting and start hitting with weapon
> and wand.
>
> If there are too many mobs, fear and continue to attack your main target.
> Recast shield when necessary. If you want and can manage two, cast pain
> early on the second target, maybe with VE to get more health back.
>
> Spice up with any other instant effects you feel like and serve cold.
>
> Better? Worse? Same?

I'm currently flying back to Azshara. I need 10 gold, anyway. I'll try
to follow your procedure.

Thanks!
Anonymous
June 2, 2005 10:00:15 PM

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Babe Bridou wrote:

> Rene wrote:
>
>> Babe Bridou <babebridou@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> At level 51, I finally gave the shadow tree a try.
>>>
>>> My build is, I think, a classic, pump shadow all the way to shadowform,
>>> pump disc all the way to improved shield.
>>>
>>> Before that I was Holy/Disc. More specifically I was a smite/holy fire
>>> specialist.
>>>
>>> I have to say I'm really disappointed by this respec.
>>>
>>> For one, my average damage dropped by an amount of about 80dps.
>>
>>
>>
>> This should only happen if you had items +holy spells or +holy damage and
>> not spell damage generally. Of course you'll lose dps then but then you
>> wouldn't complain about, I assume.
>>
>
> I think the way I fight is implied, then. I use the same gear as before,
> which includes only "+magic damage and healing" mods.
>
>
>> If you're not doing it already, try this procedure:
>>
>> (have PW:F, IF and SF on)
>> - decide which mob to attack
>> - cast shield
>> - get in range (if not already)
>> - cast mindblast
>> - follow up with pain
>> - then with mindflay ASAP
>> now the mob stands at your side and is hitting your shield. Depending on
>> mob type and probability that he'll break the shield either cast more
>> mindflays or one mindblast then mindflay again. Add in vampiric embrace
>> early if you need to leech back HP's. If you want mana conservation and /
>> or the mob is not too dangerous, stop casting and start hitting with
>> weapon
>> and wand.
>>
>> If there are too many mobs, fear and continue to attack your main target.
>> Recast shield when necessary. If you want and can manage two, cast pain
>> early on the second target, maybe with VE to get more health back.
>>
>> Spice up with any other instant effects you feel like and serve cold.
>>
>> Better? Worse? Same?
>
>
> I'm currently flying back to Azshara. I need 10 gold, anyway. I'll try
> to follow your procedure.
>
> Thanks!

Ok, got the 10 gold. It's actually much, much better than my post
implies. But the damage and killing is still very slow. Being shadows
has good utility, such as being able to heal and deal damage at the same
time, or being able to more or less tank mobs for a short while. As
shadow, my priest kills faster than when she was holy when in a low mana
situation - which is a good grinding point, but still makes me wonder if
it's really that much powerful, or if the holy tree is really that much
gimped.

I'm still pondering the respec. Will most likely try yet another build,
maybe a twink of the smiter. Not sure yet if it's viable to get both
Silence and Divine Fury, though.
Anonymous
June 3, 2005 1:13:32 AM

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On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 15:25:41 +0200, Babe Bridou <babebridou@hotmail.com>
scribed into the ether:

>At level 51, I finally gave the shadow tree a try.
>
>My build is, I think, a classic, pump shadow all the way to shadowform,
>pump disc all the way to improved shield.
>
>Before that I was Holy/Disc. More specifically I was a smite/holy fire
>specialist.
>
>I have to say I'm really disappointed by this respec.
>
>For one, my average damage dropped by an amount of about 80dps.
>For two, my survivability has greatly decreased. Now I have troubles
>killing 2 level 45 mobs. When I still was holy I could cruise through 2
>level 45 *elites*.
>For three, mana consumption is still a problem.
>
>All in all, I've just wasted 15 gold for nothing. Sorry, I meant, now I
>have a faster fear, and a silence instant, both of which could help in PVP.
>My top-quality damage (with crits and all) is now about 170dps, before I
>could flirt with the two fifties. My average damage is now about
>130-150, it was more 180-210 before.
>
>
>Where did I go wrong?

I don't know if there is such a thing as a "classic" build...

If I wanted big time Shadow, my build would be:
5 Blackout
5 Spirit Tap
4 Shadow Focus
2 Improved Shadow Word: Pain
1 Mind Flay
2 Improved Psychic Scream
1 Vampiric Embrace
5 Shadow Weaving
5 Darkness
1 Shadowform

5 Unbreakable Will
3 Improved Power Word: Shield
2 Improved Power Word: Fortitude
5 Mental Agility
5 Mental Strength

There's also a race issue. Undead get the Devouring Plague line, which is
really juicy stuff.
June 3, 2005 3:09:32 AM

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"Babe Bridou" <babebridou@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> At level 51, I finally gave the shadow tree a try.
>
> My build is, I think, a classic, pump shadow all the way to shadowform,
> pump disc all the way to improved shield.
>
> Before that I was Holy/Disc. More specifically I was a smite/holy fire
> specialist.
>
> I have to say I'm really disappointed by this respec.
>
> For one, my average damage dropped by an amount of about 80dps.
> For two, my survivability has greatly decreased. Now I have troubles
> killing 2 level 45 mobs. When I still was holy I could cruise through 2
> level 45 *elites*.
> For three, mana consumption is still a problem.
>
> All in all, I've just wasted 15 gold for nothing. Sorry, I meant, now I
> have a faster fear, and a silence instant, both of which could help in
> PVP.
> My top-quality damage (with crits and all) is now about 170dps, before I
> could flirt with the two fifties. My average damage is now about 130-150,
> it was more 180-210 before.
>
>
> Where did I go wrong?

My shadow priest is only lvl 47, but a few things to look for:

First off, just have to ask... you are switching to Shadow Form before
fighting... right?

Second, Mindflay is very efficient damage per mana, however you can't take
hits when using it. Mindflay gives 3 'ticks' of damage - each time you take
a hit while flaying you'll lose a tickworth of damage - rather than just
delaying the spell cast as is the norm. If a fast hitting target is on you
while mindflaying, they may very well cancel all 3 ticks worth - meaning
you've just spent the mana cost of the spell and done zero damage in return.
Mindflay when they're at a distance, when shielded, or when it's a slow
hitting target. You can kite Psychic Scream-Mindflay if it looks safe.

Third, are you having this problem verus multiple mob types or just a one or
two types you've tried? A few mobs are highly resistant to shadow damage
regardless of the level difference. Examples are the wastewater warlocks in
Tanaris and the undead in Azshara. You can waste a big chunk of your mana
pool on a mob 3-4 levels below you if it's the wrong mob-type.

Like previous poster my average fight goes:
1. PWS
2. Mindblast at max distance to pull
3. SWP
4. Mindflay until they're at 10-15%'ish health or shield breaks. Usually
get 2 MF's in before they reach me and 1 or 2 more before shield breaks.
4a. - If Shield breaks and mob still has decent health, Mindblast again
followed by another mindflay if needed
5. Once they're at 10-15% or so I wand 'em and let SWP finish them off (I
take a little damage in the interest of mana conservation).

Multi-mob fights usually require big adjustment to above as mindflay becomes
very difficult with 2 mobs hitting you at once.

Using the above, a regular mob +2 to +3 levels above me uses 35% of my mana
pool and 10% of my health. After the 15 seconds of spirit tap I'm generally
back at 100% health and down just 10-15% of my mana pool. It's been a
remarkably efficient grinding class for me as I can kill 8-12 mobs non-stop
averaging 35 seconds each (fight time + 15 secs spirit tap) before I need to
take a pause - generally at 100% health but needing mana.
Anonymous
June 3, 2005 3:23:33 AM

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Matt Frisch wrote:

> On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 15:25:41 +0200, Babe Bridou <babebridou@hotmail.com>
> scribed into the ether:
>
>
>>At level 51, I finally gave the shadow tree a try.
>>
>>My build is, I think, a classic, pump shadow all the way to shadowform,
>>pump disc all the way to improved shield.
>>
>>Before that I was Holy/Disc. More specifically I was a smite/holy fire
>>specialist.
>>
>>I have to say I'm really disappointed by this respec.
>>
>>For one, my average damage dropped by an amount of about 80dps.
>>For two, my survivability has greatly decreased. Now I have troubles
>>killing 2 level 45 mobs. When I still was holy I could cruise through 2
>>level 45 *elites*.
>>For three, mana consumption is still a problem.
>>
>>All in all, I've just wasted 15 gold for nothing. Sorry, I meant, now I
>>have a faster fear, and a silence instant, both of which could help in PVP.
>>My top-quality damage (with crits and all) is now about 170dps, before I
>>could flirt with the two fifties. My average damage is now about
>>130-150, it was more 180-210 before.
>>
>>
>>Where did I go wrong?
>
>
> I don't know if there is such a thing as a "classic" build...
>
> If I wanted big time Shadow, my build would be:
> 5 Blackout
> 5 Spirit Tap
> 4 Shadow Focus
> 2 Improved Shadow Word: Pain
> 1 Mind Flay
> 2 Improved Psychic Scream
> 1 Vampiric Embrace
> 5 Shadow Weaving
> 5 Darkness
> 1 Shadowform
>
> 5 Unbreakable Will
> 3 Improved Power Word: Shield
> 2 Improved Power Word: Fortitude
> 5 Mental Agility
> 5 Mental Strength
>

My build at level 52 is:

Shadow Mastery
Blackout Rank 5
Shadow Focus Rank 5
Improved Psychic Scream Rank 2
Improved Mind Blast Rank 4
Mind Flay Rank 1
Shadow Reach Rank 3
Silence Rank 1
Shadow Weaving Rank 5
Vampiric Embrace Rank 1
Darkness Rank 5
Shadowform Rank 1
Shadow Total: 33

Discipline Mastery
Unbreakable Will Rank 5
Martyrdom Rank 1
Improved Power Word: Shield Rank 3
Discipline Total: 9

I didn't see spirit tap as something good, maybe I was wrong, but 50
mana per second wouldn't really be kicking in when going from a mob to
another. Maybe later.

Shadow reach is pretty much a talent I wanted to get no matter what,
because of its usefulness in PVP.

I had the improved PW:F, and while the added stamina is clean, I don't
see this bonus as mandatory. As long as I can survive an ambush crit :) 

> There's also a race issue. Undead get the Devouring Plague line, which is
> really juicy stuff.

I'm troll. So I only get a free chance to stun proc when a rogue
ambushes me (which is in itself a godsend when it does).
Anonymous
June 3, 2005 5:54:42 AM

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Michael Vondung a écrit :
> On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 15:25:41 +0200, Babe Bridou wrote:
>
> > Before that I was Holy/Disc. More specifically I was a smite/holy fire
> > specialist.
>
> Hmm, what does your shadow spec look like? What are you fighting? How do
> you fight?
>

It might not be optimal, of course, but I don't really see how to
improve it further.

(already posted in reply to Matt)
My build at level 52 is:

Shadow Mastery
Blackout Rank 5
Shadow Focus Rank 5
Improved Psychic Scream Rank 2
Improved Mind Blast Rank 4
Mind Flay Rank 1
Shadow Reach Rank 3
Silence Rank 1
Shadow Weaving Rank 5
Vampiric Embrace Rank 1
Darkness Rank 5
Shadowform Rank 1
Shadow Total: 33

Discipline Mastery
Unbreakable Will Rank 5
Martyrdom Rank 1
Improved Power Word: Shield Rank 3
Discipline Total: 9

> I was shadow spec right up to 60 (and beyond, until I had an epic mount),
> and the decrease in damage was painfully noticable when I respeccted to
> Disc/Holy. I would frequently get MB crits of almost up to 1200, and now I
> crit at perhaps 750, and it's rather depressing. :)  (Not to mention the
> longer cooldown and the absence of mindflay, which I miss more than
> anything else!). I do have more mana, my heals are superior, and I am more
> robust, but damage-wise I don't see how a Holy priest can compete. Smite
> just isn't very mana-efficient.

Well, damage-wise, it can more than compete, actually. Damage is very
modular, depending on.

With shield, holy damage is higher by quite an amount than the maximum
shadow damage, with similar mana drain.
holy: 215-220dps average at level 50, with level 46 smite/holy fire (I
stopped using mind blast at all, but could consider poppin one every 8
seconds for even more damage)
shadow: 200-205dps average at level 52, with level 52 mind blast/mind
flay/shadow word pain.
Both use the same calculator, which sounds good to me (starts when
entering combat, ends when leaving combat), matches at least the damage
figures (half the effective smite damage)

Without shield, holy damage stays on top against all but very fast
melee mobs. Without initial mana, the holy priest requires more
micromanagement to keep life up - the shadow priest wins there, mostly
because of vampire embrace + shadow form, defensive spells that are
active when casting offensive ones.

At level 51, I've grinded Nagas in Azshara shores (level 50-52 casters
and melee) with both builds, and on average, both holy and shadow
priests take a drink every 3 mobs. I actually spent the afternoon
grinding about 150,000 XP with the shadow priest there, so in the end I
more or less knew what I was doing against these mobs specifically.

My impression is, if you don't need to heal yourself or others, the
holy priest is a superior damager, and if you need to heal yourself or
others, the holy priest is superior as well. Shadow is superior in PVP,
because of blackout, silence, improved fear and shadow range. Of
course, Holy stands its ground in solo PVP, because of incredible heals
and spammable smites, but needs a really large mana pool.

I'll go on playing shadow a bit more, just to make sure. At level 54
I'll respec to Holy no matter what, to test the top-quality Smite spell.
Anonymous
June 3, 2005 9:10:21 AM

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On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 15:25:41 +0200, Babe Bridou wrote:

> Before that I was Holy/Disc. More specifically I was a smite/holy fire
> specialist.

Hmm, what does your shadow spec look like? What are you fighting? How do
you fight?

I was shadow spec right up to 60 (and beyond, until I had an epic mount),
and the decrease in damage was painfully noticable when I respeccted to
Disc/Holy. I would frequently get MB crits of almost up to 1200, and now I
crit at perhaps 750, and it's rather depressing. :)  (Not to mention the
longer cooldown and the absence of mindflay, which I miss more than
anything else!). I do have more mana, my heals are superior, and I am more
robust, but damage-wise I don't see how a Holy priest can compete. Smite
just isn't very mana-efficient.

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"luong" <bluong@onlinesupplier.com> wrote:
> I was a full holy/disc priest from level 10-60. But I left my level 60
> priest and re-rolled on another server. With that said...
>
> I am now a level 35 Shadow Priest on Skywall. And personally, leveling a
> shadow priest is WAY better then leveling a holy/disc priest. So much
> faster and so much convenient. I was taught how to be an efficient
> shadow priest by another priest that has always played shadow.
>
> My suggestion is the same as Rene's. However, a slight difference.
>
> Do not use shield. Shield is not mana efficient. Only use shield when
> you're extremely low on health. Shield is suppose to be used for a last
> minute thing.

Yes shield eats mana - but it is an instant and as such you can lower the
mana requirement with some points in disc. More importantly however is the
fact that channeling mind flay is interruptible/shortening when you take
hits so it is not only a way to keep your HPs but also to be able to spam
mindflay uninterrupted. Also the shield can be _the_ lifesafer when you
take too much hits to give you the time to drop SF and cast the heals on
you when you can't or don't want to fear.

CU

Rene

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Anonymous
June 3, 2005 2:41:34 PM

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Shield is way too much mana consumption compared to just constant
mindflaying. Yes, mindflay can be interrupted. But I've come to find out
it's much more efficient to have it interrupted then to cast shield before
every mob. Also, the stun works for you. Usually before a mob gets to me,
it's always down to half life or less (providing what distance you attack it
from).

I can kill about 3-4 mobs (of about my level) before I either have to heal
myself or regen mana. Because shield is an instance cast is the reason that
I use it. Otherwise, not mana efficient for me.

Then again...

I am speaking from a level 38 perspective. I don't know how much different
it'll be once I get shadow form.


"Rene" <invalid@email.addr> wrote in message
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> "luong" <bluong@onlinesupplier.com> wrote:
> > I was a full holy/disc priest from level 10-60. But I left my level 60
> > priest and re-rolled on another server. With that said...
> >
> > I am now a level 35 Shadow Priest on Skywall. And personally, leveling
a
> > shadow priest is WAY better then leveling a holy/disc priest. So much
> > faster and so much convenient. I was taught how to be an efficient
> > shadow priest by another priest that has always played shadow.
> >
> > My suggestion is the same as Rene's. However, a slight difference.
> >
> > Do not use shield. Shield is not mana efficient. Only use shield when
> > you're extremely low on health. Shield is suppose to be used for a last
> > minute thing.
>
> Yes shield eats mana - but it is an instant and as such you can lower the
> mana requirement with some points in disc. More importantly however is the
> fact that channeling mind flay is interruptible/shortening when you take
> hits so it is not only a way to keep your HPs but also to be able to spam
> mindflay uninterrupted. Also the shield can be _the_ lifesafer when you
> take too much hits to give you the time to drop SF and cast the heals on
> you when you can't or don't want to fear.
>
> CU
>
> Rene
>
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June 3, 2005 3:09:07 PM

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"Babe Bridou" <babebridou@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> At level 51, I finally gave the shadow tree a try.
>
> My build is, I think, a classic, pump shadow all the way to shadowform,
> pump disc all the way to improved shield.
>
> Before that I was Holy/Disc. More specifically I was a smite/holy fire
> specialist.
>
> I have to say I'm really disappointed by this respec.
>
> For one, my average damage dropped by an amount of about 80dps.
> For two, my survivability has greatly decreased. Now I have troubles
> killing 2 level 45 mobs. When I still was holy I could cruise through 2
> level 45 *elites*.
> For three, mana consumption is still a problem.
>
> All in all, I've just wasted 15 gold for nothing. Sorry, I meant, now I
> have a faster fear, and a silence instant, both of which could help in
> PVP.
> My top-quality damage (with crits and all) is now about 170dps, before I
> could flirt with the two fifties. My average damage is now about 130-150,
> it was more 180-210 before.
>
>
> Where did I go wrong?

I usually do it like this....
Cast mind blast, turn around, run back a bit, cast word pain (dont need to
be facing the mob)
turn around to face mob, cast mind flay as it approaches.
when it gets to me cast fear, then repeat mind flays or mind blast (if its
too far away).
Mostly it will be dead before its able to hit me.

I have high spirit (302). Most of my items are heavy in spirit. I have
basically no downtime, and kill more mobs per hour than my hunter.
Anonymous
June 3, 2005 5:59:35 PM

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On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 23:23:33 +0200, Babe Bridou <babebridou@hotmail.com>
scribed into the ether:

>Matt Frisch wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 15:25:41 +0200, Babe Bridou <babebridou@hotmail.com>
>> scribed into the ether:

>>>
>>>Where did I go wrong?
>>
>> I don't know if there is such a thing as a "classic" build...
>>
>> If I wanted big time Shadow, my build would be:
>> 5 Blackout
>> 5 Spirit Tap
>> 4 Shadow Focus
>> 2 Improved Shadow Word: Pain
>> 1 Mind Flay
>> 2 Improved Psychic Scream
>> 1 Vampiric Embrace
>> 5 Shadow Weaving
>> 5 Darkness
>> 1 Shadowform
>>
>> 5 Unbreakable Will
>> 3 Improved Power Word: Shield
>> 2 Improved Power Word: Fortitude
>> 5 Mental Agility
>> 5 Mental Strength
>
>My build at level 52 is:
>
>Shadow Mastery
>Blackout Rank 5
>Shadow Focus Rank 5
>Improved Psychic Scream Rank 2
>Improved Mind Blast Rank 4
>Mind Flay Rank 1
>Shadow Reach Rank 3
>Silence Rank 1
>Shadow Weaving Rank 5
>Vampiric Embrace Rank 1
>Darkness Rank 5
>Shadowform Rank 1
>Shadow Total: 33
>
>Discipline Mastery
>Unbreakable Will Rank 5
>Martyrdom Rank 1
>Improved Power Word: Shield Rank 3
>Discipline Total: 9
>
>I didn't see spirit tap as something good, maybe I was wrong, but 50
>mana per second wouldn't really be kicking in when going from a mob to
>another. Maybe later.

I notice a huge difference with it. It doubles your spirit score...spirit
is not exactly overwhelming, but doubled? Quite nice.

>Shadow reach is pretty much a talent I wanted to get no matter what,
>because of its usefulness in PVP.

Welll, you also are putting more points into Shadow than I had. I rather
like the symmetry of the 31/20 setup. One of the problems you mention is a
lack of mana...my build would do a lot to fix that. Improved mana pool,
reduced cost on instant spells (which is quite a lot of them), and rather
than doing damage faster (with improved mind blast), I like to do damage
better (with a 33% damage improvement to Shadow Word: Pain).

>I had the improved PW:F, and while the added stamina is clean, I don't
>see this bonus as mandatory. As long as I can survive an ambush crit :) 

It's nice when grouped, too. I've grouped with plenty of priests who could
easily keep the party upright using debuffs and Vampiric Embrace for
healing. That doesn't work so well in a really hardcore instance, but is
spiffy for elsewhere.