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July 11, 2012 7:02:55 PM

Hey guys. This is going to be my first gaming computer build and I don't want it to be so expensive at first. So please help me decide on cheap and efficient parts. Please I don't want the parts to have cheap quality and that it would break in less than a year. I would appreciate it if the parts would be long lasting and efficient with a reasonable price. Hope I'm not asking too much. I also made a build myself. You guys can feel free to add in suggestions.

Approximate Purchase Date: This week or next.

Budget Range: $1000 after rebate.

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, surfing the internet, rendering videos and uploading, doing homework

Are you buying a monitor: Yes

Do you need to buy OS: Yes

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Newegg, NCIX, Amazon

Location: U.S

Parts Preferences: Doesn't matter as long as the parts are not from a cheap and crappy quality company. I would prefer parts that are reliable and efficient.

Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: No

Your Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080
Please take in consideration of the parts quality and guys can you check if my parts that I picked are compatible with each other? Also can a HDTV be used as a monitor? If yes than what is the difference would happen if I used a HDTV instead of a regular computer monitor. Sorry for the questions and needs. This is my first computer build and I would like to learn as much as possible and so next time I can pick myself and be less of a bother.

Here are the parts that I picked:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/bPtE

Also is the Sapphire Radeon HD 7850 better than the MSI Radeon 7850?

Thanks -unRaveled

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a b 4 Gaming
July 11, 2012 7:24:17 PM

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a b 4 Gaming
July 11, 2012 7:49:59 PM

Your list is quite good. You need not change anything.

That said, here are my thoughts:

1) The 2500K is a very effective cpu. If you are near a microcenter, they will sell you one for $170.
Or, a 3570K which is a bit faster for $190.

2) Nothing wrong with a X68 based motherboard, but I might look for one with the newer Z77 chip. Because the chip integrates more functions, a Z77 motherboard will be similarly priced. For example the ASRock Z77 Pro3 is $95:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

3) I might go with the low profile version of ram. It is a bit cheaper, and will not interfere with coolers.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

4) The WD blue is a bit slower than the black. But, would you consider a SSD? At least initially. It will make everything you do feel so much faster.
120gb will hold the OS and 6-8 games. It will cost about $1 per gb. If you will store large files, like video's, then a hard drive is really better for that. A hard drive can be added later when the current inflated prices come back down.

5) a 7850 only needs a 500w psu:
http://www.amd.com/us/products/desktop/graphics/7000/78...
The Corsair builder series are good and inexpensive.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

6) Here is some interesting info on HDTV vs. monitors: http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2499... The monitor is one place where I think you should spend what you need to. It will be with you for several generations of pc's. See if you can't go to a store and actually compare , live, different displays for quality that suits you.

7) If you are a student with a .edu e-mail address, look into a windows academic license that is cheaper.

8) As to differences in 7850 brands, the guts are the same, differing only in custom cooler designs. The support and warranties may differ. Check the support forums to see what problems there are, and, more importantly, how the vendor addresses them. EVGA, for instance has a very good support reputation. You might want to build using integrated graphics and wait for their GTX660.

-----------good luck-----------------
July 11, 2012 8:07:01 PM

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($22.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Biostar TZ77B ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($84.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($45.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($239.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Antec Three Hundred Two ATX Mid Tower Case ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: PC Power & Cooling 500W ATX12V Power Supply ($55.98 @ NCIX US)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VE228H 21.5" Monitor ($129.98 @ NCIX US)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($90.65 @ Amazon)
Total: $997.53
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)

The MSI card is no longer $209.99 after MIR. If you click the newegg price it's $267.55, after shipping, with a free Dirt Showdown game card.
July 11, 2012 11:07:32 PM

@TheBigTroll thanks for the suggestions. I might take in consideration some of your suggestions.

@geofelt thanks for your in length explanations. It really helped a lot. Very insightful. Also would the 500w be enough for overclocking the gpu and cpu together or does it have to be each alone? Unfortunately I don't live near a microcenter but I might go near one.

@cbsevenfifty thanks for your suggestions. Sucks that the MSI card is not $209.99 anymore. Thanks for your GPU suggestion!

July 11, 2012 11:12:42 PM

And also I would like to ask. Is modular really necessary? If I got a non-modular PSU, what would happen? Would I be able to put the wires aside without it disturbing the air flow? Would you pick modular or non-modular or it doesn't really matter?
a b 4 Gaming
July 11, 2012 11:16:35 PM

non-modular: usually cheaper price.all cables are hard wired to the unit and its not removable. the disadvantage is you get this big bundle of cables that you will need to hide inside the case

semi-modular: comes with all the cables that you are 100% going to use hard wired. the rest is modular. the price is in the middle of fully modular psu s and a non-modular psu. i prefer these units
a b 4 Gaming
July 11, 2012 11:21:42 PM

unRaveled said:
And also I would like to ask. Is modular really necessary? If I got a non-modular PSU, what would happen? Would I be able to put the wires aside without it disturbing the air flow? Would you pick modular or non-modular or it doesn't really matter?


Modular is not usually necessary. For a properly sized psu, you are going to use most of the leads anyway. Modular is nice for a small form factor case, but really not necessary in a mid sized case. You can usually leave unused leads on the bottom of the case, or stuffed into an unused drive bay.
a b 4 Gaming
July 11, 2012 11:29:45 PM

i dont see the point of not having it when its around the same price point
July 11, 2012 11:32:02 PM

Would the 500w PSU be enough for overclocking the cpu and gpu?
a b 4 Gaming
July 11, 2012 11:37:22 PM

yep. 500/550w will support any single GPU system
July 11, 2012 11:43:33 PM

Same build as before, just swapped the PSU with a 600W for just $4 more. 500W is recommended for the 7850 but since you are OCing its recommended to have a bit more juice.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($22.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Biostar TZ77B ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($84.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($45.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($239.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Antec Three Hundred Two ATX Mid Tower Case ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: PC Power & Cooling 600W ATX12V Power Supply ($59.99 @ Microcenter)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus VE228H 21.5" Monitor ($129.98 @ NCIX US)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($90.65 @ Amazon)
Total: $1001.54
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)

When it comes to modular vs non modular it shouldn't really matter with a quality case. I just pick w/e is priced good and right now there just happens to be good deals on the PCP&C MK3 (Seasonic) modular PSU's.
a b 4 Gaming
July 11, 2012 11:57:18 PM

cbseventyfifty's build should be ok. id change some things though

1: for the motherboard, id get a p8z77-v LK from asus instead. it at least doesnt have the usb3 plug right next the the PCI-E slots. plus, asus always makes good products espically motherboards

2:for the screen, the vs228h-p is only 10 dollars more and it is much thinner and a bit more energy efficent.

3: id get a asus 7850 since i know the cooler is great but the sapphire one is still good
July 12, 2012 12:17:51 AM

TheBigTroll said:
cbseventyfifty's build should be ok. id change some things though

1: for the motherboard, id get a p8z77-v LK from asus instead. it at least doesnt have the usb3 plug right next the the PCI-E slots. plus, asus always makes good products espically motherboards


He's not SLI'ing so paying $40+ more for a board meant for SLI makes no sense at all.

You can change it to a Z75/Z77 Pro3, P8Z77-V LX, or the GA-Z77-D3H if you are worried about the lay out of the board. The Biostar isn't the best laid out board but for $84.99 it's dumb to pass up on it just for that reason.
a b 4 Gaming
July 12, 2012 12:48:52 AM

then the d3h should be suffice

honestly paying more for better layouts is worth it in this case. nobody wants their case to look like a cabling nightmare. plus, a 85 dollar board looks a little funny inside 1000 dollar build
July 12, 2012 12:54:48 AM

TheBigTroll said:
then the d3h should be suffice

honestly paying more for better layouts is worth it in this case. nobody wants their case to look like a cabling nightmare. plus, a 85 dollar board looks a little funny inside 1000 dollar build


1 USB connector is not going to make it look like a cabling nightmare. And if you noticed the build I suggested is $1001, and thats with the discounted price on the processor from microcenter, which he unfortunately cant get. So thats $40 more on to the cost. And every board I mentioned is more expensive than the TZ77B, with the exception of the Z75 Pro3 which is the same price since now you don't get the free S&H on the Biostar any more. Which means that $1000 budget just became an ~$1100 budget.

The only thing left to do is to take that "Maybe" for overclocking and make it a solid "No."
a b 4 Gaming
July 12, 2012 1:53:23 AM

sata connectors.... if the graphics card is longer than the board, you might cause a conflict
July 12, 2012 1:56:56 AM

Going to have to explain that one to me. The sata connectors on that board are far below the 3.0 PCI-e slot.
a b 4 Gaming
July 12, 2012 2:18:51 AM

never mind. if he were ever to do crossfire, it would conflict
July 12, 2012 2:35:37 AM

Heres my surrgestion

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/bRbR

Using a motherboard that can take a second graphics card so its pretty easy to update the 7850 series of graphics have excellent price to performance ratio.

The Z77 chipset can use a small ssd to cache info for faster loading.
a b 4 Gaming
July 12, 2012 2:40:37 AM

wait what the??? i never knew they were selling redline ram for 46.98?

opteron1983's build is a go from me
July 12, 2012 2:44:18 AM

That board doesn't support SLI/Crossfire. It's the same thing as the TZ77B. You are missing a CPU cooler. And what are you going to do with the components? A case would help.
a b 4 Gaming
July 12, 2012 2:53:54 AM

that board supports crossfire. yeah i didnt notice that he was missing a case. my bad
July 12, 2012 2:56:17 AM

It says it "supports crossfireX technology" but it runs at x16/x4. It's designed for a single card.
a b 4 Gaming
July 12, 2012 3:08:35 AM

crossfire can run on x4 slots
July 12, 2012 3:10:30 AM

I'm well aware of that. The TZ77B is also x16/x4. It's not recommended to buy a x16/x4 board for SLI/Crossfire. It's not worth it.
July 12, 2012 3:13:05 AM

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/bRnF


My bad heres the build with a case

i tried to keep everything as balanced as possible for the budget while repecting all the required components.

Cpu : i used the stock cooler for now as you will be able to run pretty much whatever you want right now

changed the monitor and power supply to compensate
July 12, 2012 4:07:24 AM

x4 is perfectly fine @ 3.0, thats equal to x8 at 2.0
July 12, 2012 4:17:17 AM

Ah derp, my bad. I should google board part numbers before spouting stuff :) 
July 12, 2012 8:22:36 PM

If I didn't overclock, then what suggestions would you guys have?
Also if you overclock, how much more faster or more FPS would your gaming get? Is overclocking worth it or does it just give a small amount of change?
a b 4 Gaming
July 12, 2012 8:31:56 PM

no oc? you would get a msi h77ma g43 and a i5 3450

overclocking the CPU wont really help with games but it will help in other multimedia tasks or anything CPU related. overclocking the graphics card can get you from 4-10fps boost depending on how much you overclock
July 12, 2012 8:37:32 PM

Without ocing would I still get a good amount of FPS and good outside gaming performance?
a b 4 Gaming
July 12, 2012 8:39:02 PM

yes. OC just lets you futureproof yourself a little more
July 12, 2012 8:58:16 PM

So guys, here's my final gaming build. With all your suggestions, I switched some parts and here's the final result. Is this good enough and are they compatible with each other? Is this enough to overclock or so? Feel free for opinions.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/bQBg
a b 4 Gaming
July 12, 2012 9:11:00 PM

its good. i changed the ram, the video card, and the monitor

i changed the ram just becase i personally think they look better but its up to you to decide

i changed the video card to the asus 7850. both the sapphire and asus are about as good but i generally trust the directcu2 cooler and asus more than sapphire. im pretty sure that asus used a non-reference PCB as well compared to sapphire (i might be wrong) which helps with better overclocking

i changed the monitor just because the vs series are thinner and use less power. they are within 10 dollars of price difference

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/bVBc
July 12, 2012 9:23:39 PM

@TheBigTroll thanks for the suggestions. I think I'll take them but let me ask you a question. The Sapphire has a core clock of 920Mhz and the Asus has a core clock of 870 Mhz. Does this mean that the sapphire runs faster and performs better? If so wouldn't the sapphire be better than the Asus within the same price?
July 12, 2012 9:26:39 PM

And also whats the difference between the i5 2500k and the i5 3570k? Why do they have a big price range? I've heard that the i5 2500k has a better overclocking potential. Their ghz only differ alittle bit so wouldn't the 2500k be better?
a b 4 Gaming
July 12, 2012 9:36:07 PM

the sapphire card runs at 920mhz because sapphire factory OC the card to 920mhz. asus hardly OC their graphics card from the factory making the card run at 870mhz. straight from the factory, the sapphire card wins. after you OC the card to the same speed, they perform the same. either one will be fine. its personal choice

there isnt much difference between the 3570k and the 2500k. the 3570k just has more features like native usb3, PCI-E 3, and it is 5-8% faster. OC doesnt make much of a difference. a ivy bridge 4.2ghz is the same thing as a sandy bridge at 4.5/4.6ghz. when overclocking ivy bridge, dont change the voltage too much as voltage makes ivy bridge run very hot due to compacted transistors and that intel uses thermal paste under the lid rather than the 2500k where they used fluxless solder
a b 4 Gaming
July 12, 2012 9:47:30 PM

unRaveled said:
And also whats the difference between the i5 2500k and the i5 3570k? Why do they have a big price range? I've heard that the i5 2500k has a better overclocking potential. Their ghz only differ alittle bit so wouldn't the 2500k be better?

The 3570K will be more efficient, clock for clock. Perhaps 5% worth.
a b 4 Gaming
July 13, 2012 5:29:35 PM

twin frozer is great too
July 15, 2012 1:39:03 AM

Alright guys thanks for all your advice! So if I were to build and assemble all these parts together, they would all work together right? And will this case be able to let me assemble the parts on it? I'm worried that what happens if some wires couldn't reach some place. Would this case make that a problem or no? Also please give tips on assembling the parts together as to this is going to be my first gaming computer build. I wouldn't want anything to go wrong so yea :p .
a b 4 Gaming
July 15, 2012 1:47:48 AM

just list out the parts that you plan on using and we will confirm

i know my builds work out :D 
July 15, 2012 1:54:00 AM

Here are my parts. Their all in this partpicker website:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/c77P

I know your build is good but I'm like in a budget somewhat. And it's my first build. I wanna kinda pick my own parts and know them first since I can learn something or so. I'm not saying that your build is bad or so. :p 
a b 4 Gaming
July 15, 2012 2:08:43 AM

unRaveled said:
Here are my parts. Their all in this partpicker website:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/c77P

I know your build is good but I'm like in a budget somewhat. And it's my first build. I wanna kinda pick my own parts and know them first since I can learn something or so. I'm not saying that your build is bad or so. :p 


Very good!!
July 15, 2012 2:19:55 AM

geofelt so the components should work together no problem right? And assembling the parts should be easy too?

Thanks for the awesome comment!
a b 4 Gaming
July 15, 2012 4:55:52 AM

unRaveled said:
geofelt so the components should work together no problem right? And assembling the parts should be easy too?

Thanks for the awesome comment!

Parts are keyed to only fit one way. Don't force anything.
Take the time now to download and read, cover to cover the case and motherboard manuals.

-good luck----------
a b 4 Gaming
July 15, 2012 11:46:12 AM

your parts sound good. id get a vs228h-p monitor instead of the ve228h since the vs series is much thinner and is a newer model of the ve series. only 10 dollars more
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