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May 18, 2012 11:19:56 PM

Hi-

As part of a new i7-3770k build I put in a Sapphire 7970 card. This is my first time building a system myself, and I wanted to make sure it was all working properly. I tested it on 3d Mark 11 and received the following scores:

Mark Score
P7707
Graphics Score
7537
Physics Score
9484
Combined Score
6939
GraphicsTest1
34.03 FPS
GraphicsTest2
38.0 FPS
GraphicsTest3
45.1 FPS
GraphicsTest4
22.64 FPS
PhysicsTest
30.11 FPS
CombinedTest
32.28 FPS

First question, is that around what I should expect? I havent overclocked anything, this is straight out of the box.

Second question, my friend has a similar new system but with a GTX 680. His score was around 10 FPS higher in most things. He does spend a lot of time tweaking his system though.

Thanks for any thoughts.
May 18, 2012 11:23:35 PM

Thronsen said:
Hi-

As part of a new i7-3770k build I put in a Sapphire 7970 card. This is my first time building a system myself, and I wanted to make sure it was all working properly. I tested it on 3d Mark 11 and received the following scores:

Mark Score
P7707
Graphics Score
7537
Physics Score
9484
Combined Score
6939
GraphicsTest1
34.03 FPS
GraphicsTest2
38.0 FPS
GraphicsTest3
45.1 FPS
GraphicsTest4
22.64 FPS
PhysicsTest
30.11 FPS
CombinedTest
32.28 FPS

First question, is that around what I should expect? I havent overclocked anything, this is straight out of the box.

Second question, my friend has a similar new system but with a GTX 680. His score was around 10 FPS higher in most things. He does spend a lot of time tweaking his system though.

Thanks for any thoughts.

Thats about right for stock settings. Is your cpu at stock also? With an i7 2600k@ 4.4ghz and an MSI hd7950@ 1100/1575 I get P9044 3dmarks
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May 18, 2012 11:24:18 PM

Well the GTX 680 is better, plus its overclocked so there is that.

That score seems a little low though, but not too bad.
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May 18, 2012 11:38:00 PM

Actually if you game at eyefinity resolutions like 6048by1080 the hd7950 and hd7970 are better with there 3gb frame buffer
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May 18, 2012 11:40:39 PM

Great thanks for quick replies. Thats helpful. Just wanted to make sure I was in the proper ballpark.

BTW, are the cards fans supposed to be running the whole time, even when I dont have any programs running?
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May 18, 2012 11:43:40 PM

Yes they are, but you can turn them down with a fan profile if you want.

jijoslin said:
Actually if you game at eyefinity resolutions like 6048by1080 the hd7950 and hd7970 are better with there 3gb frame buffer


And? This thread is about 3DMark11 and he was asking about the scores on it. In 3DMark11 GTX 680 is a better card. I'm not going to lead him astray and make him think he should be getting higher scores than his friend in that benchmark. Also most people don't game with those resolutions, nor care about them. Only a very small minority. That would be like saying, well we can only judge cards based on how good they are in 3D. The point is most people only care about 1080p performance, maybe 2560x* at most.
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May 19, 2012 12:30:53 AM

BigMack70 said:
Those are a bit on the low side for stock 3dmark11 performance.

My 3dmark11 performance graphics subscore with a single 7970 @ stock (925/1375) is 7950-8000.

What drivers are you on?

Unfortunately, the 7970 is actually the better card for someone who likes tweaking (i.e. overclocking) their system. The GTX 680 is much better for someone who just wants to put the computer together and let it run. All that said, 3dmark11 is one of the tests that the GTX 680 performs better in than the 7970.


Im using driver 8.921.0.0, which I think is the latest.
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May 19, 2012 2:02:25 AM

BigMack70 said:
Ah that's why they're a bit low. I think 8.961.0.0 is the latest (that's what I'm on with CCC 12.4 anyways). Improved 3dmark11 performance by a couple % for me.


How are the dual 7970 Lightnings treating you?

I just got a 2nd GTX 680 for 3D Vision, which is smoking now. I can almost max out Metro 2033 and The Witcher 2 now (still not quite there, but close enough).

It does seem like his graphics score is a bit lower than I'd expect, though I may be biased based on the scores you've shown in the past.
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May 19, 2012 1:44:31 PM

BigMack70 said:

The only thing on the list that it didn't do was TW2 w/ubersampling. Either the game code or the drivers make that not work consistently. Sometimes it works great - 99%/99% GPU usage and ~60fps, sometimes it works worse than a single card - ~25%/~25% GPU usage and 10-15fps.

The setup definitely wouldn't be good for everyone. In the first place, it's total overkill for 1080p. The games that truly need this much power don't exist yet. My gamble is that with UE4 and the Samaritan demo being run on current gen stuff (like a single 680), the games that need it are just around the corner.

AMD also definitely has driver issues e.g. The Witcher 2 not working properly with ubersampling. The driver issues aren't as bad as typical complaints make them sound, but they're there. I don't think they're really much worse than current Nvidia driver issues, to be honest.


If it makes you feel better, with 680 SLI, I just tested The Witcher 2 with 3D Vision off to see how playable it is with Ultra settings which include ubersampling. I started at the beginning with the Prologue, which as far as I'm aware is the most demanding part of the game. I also saw drops into the low 30's at times. Frankly, I don't think ubersampling was a well thought out option.
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May 20, 2012 5:14:17 AM

BigMack70 said:
Ah that's why they're a bit low. I think 8.961.0.0 is the latest (that's what I'm on with CCC 12.4 anyways). Improved 3dmark11 performance by a couple % for me.


Hmm, I finally managed to install that driver, and my performance took a huge hit. Like 10 fps. I have never used AMD cards before, or the Catalsyt Control Center, perhaps Im installing the driver incorrectly.

1. My first stop was the CCC, which was version 12.4. I went to 'Software Update', and it claimed it was Up to date. Not sure if that was referring to the CCC itself, or the driver for the video card.

2. I then went to Windows - Properties on the card, and asked windows if my driver was up to date. I was told it was current. This is the 8.921.0.0

3. I then went to the AMD website. They asked me to download a program to check my card and find a driver. Oddly it didnt seem to care that CCC was still running. The program checked my card, and installed the 8.961.0.0.

Now I suppose I have to roll back the driver, and start over. But tell me what is the usual process to update your driver for AMD cards? Im used to just going to a website, finding my cards page and downloading a specific file with a specific version number. With all these other programs trying to 'help' me do that, I have trouble telling whats going on.

Thanks,
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May 20, 2012 6:23:13 AM

I uninstalled then reinstalled the driver. My scores seem to have gotten worse:


3DMark Score
P6592
Graphics Score
8134
Physics Score
4382
Combined Score
3961
GraphicsTest1
36.97 FPS
GraphicsTest2
40.78 FPS
GraphicsTest3
50.24 FPS
GraphicsTest4
24.02 FPS
PhysicsTest
13.91 FPS
CombinedTest
18.43 FPS

A couple of things have changed since my first test, which might account for this. The first is I switched to a much higher resolution display, the 2560x1440 Dell U2711 (from a stock 24 inch 1920x1200). I also switched the cord from a HDMI-DVI to a Display Port. My understanding though is that 3d mark scores are done on a standard resolution 1280x720.

The second change is that I put the sides on my case, which were kept off when I was installing and testing the card. So it will be a little warmer in there now. But the temps dont seem to be high.

Any suggestions for trouble shooting would be greatly appreciated. Just coming to the end of my 30 day return.

Thanks,
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May 20, 2012 12:51:06 PM

Thronsen said:
I uninstalled then reinstalled the driver. My scores seem to have gotten worse:

What are your full system specs including power supply and motherboard
3DMark Score
P6592
Graphics Score
8134
Physics Score
4382
Combined Score
3961
GraphicsTest1
36.97 FPS
GraphicsTest2
40.78 FPS
GraphicsTest3
50.24 FPS
GraphicsTest4
24.02 FPS
PhysicsTest
13.91 FPS
CombinedTest
18.43 FPS

A couple of things have changed since my first test, which might account for this. The first is I switched to a much higher resolution display, the 2560x1440 Dell U2711 (from a stock 24 inch 1920x1200). I also switched the cord from a HDMI-DVI to a Display Port. My understanding though is that 3d mark scores are done on a standard resolution 1280x720.

The second change is that I put the sides on my case, which were kept off when I was installing and testing the card. So it will be a little warmer in there now. But the temps dont seem to be high.

Any suggestions for trouble shooting would be greatly appreciated. Just coming to the end of my 30 day return.

Thanks,

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May 20, 2012 7:46:29 PM

BigMack70 said:
What CPU are you running? If you're on an Intel CPU, I recommend running a program called atiman uninstaller (google it) to uninstall your drivers (or, alternatively, follow this post).

AMD makes the process of updating your drivers pretty close to broken. You have to do a thorough uninstall (more thorough than just running the uninstaller) and then reinstall them, at least in most cases.

All that said, I've heard of some folks having problems with the 12.4 release, so it's always possible that the 12.4 driver just doesn't like your setup for whatever reason.


Thanks for that BigMack. That was really very helpful. What procedure do you use to then install the drivers? Download CCC and just let that handle it? Or some other process? And is there a way to use the last stable build if 12.4 is causing people problems?

Thanks.
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May 20, 2012 7:49:28 PM

Hi Jijoslin-

Seasonic 850W powersupply. Asus p77 deluxe motherboard. Intel 3770k. Corsair Force GT as the system drive (also some storage drives, including a Samsung SSD and a WD black raid 0).

Thanks,
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May 20, 2012 8:13:47 PM

Do you run atiman uninstaller instead of the manual process that you linked to, because atiman is faster or because its better? Im happy to take the time to do the manual process if thats better.

Thanks again for all your help.
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May 21, 2012 8:52:27 AM

Ok I uninstalled all the remnants of the ATI driver manually. Then reinstalled 12.4, which also put in the latest 7970 driver.

Score is still below 7000. 6589 in fact.

Whats odd is that most of the individual scores are better. The Graphics score is better, and the Graphics Tests 1-4 all have 10% higher FPS.

Its the Physics score which has dropped. Dropped in half in fact, from 9000+ to around 4000. And taking all the combined and total scores with it.

What could be causing a problem with just the physics part of it? Still a driver issue? Installation problem? Card problem?

Thanks so much for any help.

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May 21, 2012 8:17:57 PM

Thanks again for all your help. I managed to track down the problem. There is some 'EPU' program installed with my motherboard (Asus P77 deluxe). Its supposed purpose is to lower power consumption when the PC isnt busy, and ramp it up when it needs it. Apparently its doing the opposite, providing no real benefit when the PC is idle, but throttling power when the CPU asks for more.

I took that off and now my 3dMark 11 score is 8204. Compared to the first test in the thread, my physics score is now about the same. And since I followed your instructions to uninstall (!) the AMD driver completely and install the latest driver, my graphics score has received a nice bump.

Thanks for all your help. I appreciated it.
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May 29, 2012 2:05:15 AM

Best answer selected by Thronsen.
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August 3, 2012 3:32:07 AM

I am running a 3770K (4.5GHZ w/ NH-D14) & 7970 (std clocks) and I was getting 11,083 and I thought that was pathetically low as I searched for 7970 and I see a lot of 30K scores but they are people with 4 cards. I selected SLI:NO and it still shows 4 cards in the top of the list. So no real way to tell what the norm is. Good to know 11,083 isn't bad.
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May 10, 2013 7:54:45 AM

Thronsen said:
Hi-

I am running an i52500k oc on turbo mode at 4600mhz and a vtx 7950 extreme which is also over clocked I seem to be getting a much higher score for graphics than you are that is if its the standard benchmark performance score your talking about? I have found over clocking the ram on the card seems to make the most difference. I jumped from 70000 to well over 90000 http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/6548873 I get a higher score if I set the card to performance. Yours is a lot better card than mine so I guess something must be wrong there. what driver are you on? I am using 13.4

As part of a new i7-3770k build I put in a Sapphire 7970 card. This is my first time building a system myself, and I wanted to make sure it was all working properly. I tested it on 3d Mark 11 and received the following scores:

Mark Score
P7707
Graphics Score
7537
Physics Score
9484
Combined Score
6939
GraphicsTest1
34.03 FPS
GraphicsTest2
38.0 FPS
GraphicsTest3
45.1 FPS
GraphicsTest4
22.64 FPS
PhysicsTest
30.11 FPS
CombinedTest
32.28 FPS

First question, is that around what I should expect? I havent overclocked anything, this is straight out of the box.

Second question, my friend has a similar new system but with a GTX 680. His score was around 10 FPS higher in most things. He does spend a lot of time tweaking his system though.

Thanks for any thoughts.

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May 10, 2013 7:56:44 AM

I would say that is a very high score seeing a 6990 would score a lot less lol
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July 24, 2013 8:38:06 AM

Thronsen said:
Hi-

As part of a new i7-3770k build I put in a Sapphire 7970 card. This is my first time building a system myself, and I wanted to make sure it was all working properly. I tested it on 3d Mark 11 and received the following scores:

Mark Score
P7707
Graphics Score
7537
Physics Score
9484
Combined Score
6939
GraphicsTest1
34.03 FPS
GraphicsTest2
38.0 FPS
GraphicsTest3
45.1 FPS
GraphicsTest4
22.64 FPS
PhysicsTest
30.11 FPS
CombinedTest
32.28 FPS

First question, is that around what I should expect? I havent overclocked anything, this is straight out of the box.

Second question, my friend has a similar new system but with a GTX 680. His score was around 10 FPS higher in most things. He does spend a lot of time tweaking his system though.

Thanks for any thoughts.


overclock cpu and gpu you should beat him hands down
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July 24, 2013 8:40:30 AM

Thronsen said:
Great thanks for quick replies. Thats helpful. Just wanted to make sure I was in the proper ballpark.

BTW, are the cards fans supposed to be running the whole time, even when I dont have any programs running?


yes and you need around a 800w psu to oc your system
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