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June 7, 2005 12:59:17 PM

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i was wondering if it's best to have most talent points put into one group.
will a character be more limited overall if he has an even mix of talent
points in his 3 groups?

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Anonymous
June 7, 2005 12:59:18 PM

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They designed the system, via prerequisite points, so that if you take
a Tier 7 talent in one tree (the very last one), you can't get a Tier 5
talent in a second Tree. You end up 1 talent point short.

In other words, with all your talent points split between 2 Trees, you
can either get Tiers 7 and 4, or Tiers 6 and 5.

For the Warlock the Tier 6/5 build is actually considered the best for
highest possible DPS. People refer to it by the name of the last two
talents you take: Shadow Mastery/Ruin. But there are just as good 7/4
and 7+/3 builds out there too.

I'm sure you can come up with a decent Tier 4/4/4 build is certain
classes as well (or a 3/4/5, etc). But they put most of the really
powerful talents up in Tiers 5, 6 and 7.
Anonymous
June 7, 2005 12:59:18 PM

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> Every tree has a killer-talent that can only be activated when you
> spent 30 talent points in that tree.

Heh. *looks at the top level Druid talents in Feral and Balance and
chuckles*

Depends on the class and the tree. The Druid talent pool has some very
serious problems in the Feral tree and the 31 point Balance talent,
Hurricane, is a AoE that, with training, can do 101 DPS, the lowest DPS
AoE spell in the game. I have a quest reward trinket that does 50 DPS
for 45 seconds. Why would I even bother to get Hurricane?

Regards,
Noal

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June 7, 2005 2:06:52 PM

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"Arthas" <no@no.com> wrote:
>i was wondering if it's best to have most talent points put into one group.
> will a character be more limited overall if he has an even mix of talent
> points in his 3 groups?

Yes. The deeper you go in one tree, the better talents you can use. Every
tree has a killer-talent that can only be activated when you spent 30
talent points in that tree.
That said, putting all your points in 1 group is usually not a wise thing.
As far as I know, and what I would recommend, a 31/20 or a 35/16 build is
the optimum choice.

Chris

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June 7, 2005 2:06:53 PM

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"Christian Stauffer" <wildcard666@bluewin.ch> wrote in message
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> "Arthas" <no@no.com> wrote:
>> i was wondering if it's best to have most talent points put into one
>> group. will a character be more limited overall if he has an even
>> mix of talent points in his 3 groups?
>
> Yes. The deeper you go in one tree, the better talents you can use.
> Every tree has a killer-talent that can only be activated when you
> spent 30 talent points in that tree.
> That said, putting all your points in 1 group is usually not a wise
> thing. As far as I know, and what I would recommend, a 31/20 or a
> 35/16 build is the optimum choice.
>
> Chris

Unless you are a Hunter and want that legendary 2000+ crit.

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Anonymous
June 7, 2005 2:06:53 PM

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"Christian Stauffer" <wildcard666@bluewin.ch> wrote in message
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> "Arthas" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>i was wondering if it's best to have most talent points put into one
>>group.
>> will a character be more limited overall if he has an even mix of talent
>> points in his 3 groups?
>

Yes and no. Depends on your class and how you want to play it. As a shaman
I have points across the board and do not see myself going down one tree.
The reason for this is I would like to have Nature's Swiftness which
requires 21 points in the restoration tree, however this will not allow me
to go all the way down any of the other 2 trees. Now I can go all the way
down the restoration tree but I would only do that if I was some type of
group buffer/healer.
Anonymous
June 7, 2005 7:29:15 PM

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Hi,

Arthas schrieb:
> i was wondering if it's best to have most talent points put into one group.
> will a character be more limited overall if he has an even mix of talent
> points in his 3 groups?

it depends.

As a Warrior for example, I got 31 points in Arms, I tougth
it would be good for PvP. But I no longer think so.

I want to change to
Arms 8 (15 points rage left for "Execute" if i change from defensive
stance to attack stance)
Fury 11 (piercing howl)
Protection 21 (concussion blow + improved sunder armor/revenge/taunt)

Thats very good for playing in a team in dungeons.

It always depends on you, there are good milestones at 11, 21 and 31
at most talent trees.

Look at mages, some say go for ice, don´t put into arcane, other
say take the 16 Points for arcane missiles.

Go with your actual constellation and think about reskilling at
32 (21+11) or 33 (11+11+11), 42 (31+11), 52 (31+21) and other possible
combinations.

Use this page here, it´s a big help for talent point reskilling:
http://wowvault.ign.com/View.php?view=Talents.View&cate...
Anonymous
June 7, 2005 10:00:13 PM

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Arthas wrote:
> i was wondering if it's best to have most talent points put into one
> group. will a character be more limited overall if he has an even mix
> of talent points in his 3 groups?

Every class and play style is different. For some classes and trees, that
"uber" skill you learn at 31 points just isn't worth it. Look at the class
and the skill offered and make your own choice.
Anonymous
June 8, 2005 3:39:59 AM

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On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 09:11:40 +0100, "moif" <moif@macburgerdonaldsking.com>
scribed into the ether:

>"Christian Stauffer" <wildcard666@bluewin.ch> wrote in message
>news:42a5559b$0$1161$5402220f@news.sunrise.ch
>> "Arthas" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>> i was wondering if it's best to have most talent points put into one
>>> group. will a character be more limited overall if he has an even
>>> mix of talent points in his 3 groups?
>>
>> Yes. The deeper you go in one tree, the better talents you can use.
>> Every tree has a killer-talent that can only be activated when you
>> spent 30 talent points in that tree.
>> That said, putting all your points in 1 group is usually not a wise
>> thing. As far as I know, and what I would recommend, a 31/20 or a
>> 35/16 build is the optimum choice.
>>
>> Chris
>
>Unless you are a Hunter and want that legendary 2000+ crit.

Which is easily accomplished by a trivial-to-develop 31/Whatever
Marksmanship build.

Mortal Shots, Aimed Shot, Ranged Weapon Specialization, and Trueshot.

Improved Hunter's Mark and Aspect of the Hawk would go towards that goal as
well, but egads what horrible wastes of points.
Anonymous
June 8, 2005 4:25:34 AM

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"moif" <moif@macburgerdonaldsking.com> wrote in message
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> "Christian Stauffer" <wildcard666@bluewin.ch> wrote in message
> news:42a5559b$0$1161$5402220f@news.sunrise.ch
>> "Arthas" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>> i was wondering if it's best to have most talent points put into one
>>> group. will a character be more limited overall if he has an even
>>> mix of talent points in his 3 groups?
>>
>> Yes. The deeper you go in one tree, the better talents you can use.
>> Every tree has a killer-talent that can only be activated when you
>> spent 30 talent points in that tree.
>> That said, putting all your points in 1 group is usually not a wise
>> thing. As far as I know, and what I would recommend, a 31/20 or a
>> 35/16 build is the optimum choice.
>>
>> Chris
>
> Unless you are a Hunter and want that legendary 2000+ crit.

Pff! Hardly legendary! Not that common, admittedly...
Anonymous
June 8, 2005 11:31:39 AM

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On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 18:00:13 -0400, "sanjian" <sanjian@widomaker.com>
wrote:

>Arthas wrote:
>> i was wondering if it's best to have most talent points put into one
>> group. will a character be more limited overall if he has an even mix
>> of talent points in his 3 groups?
>
>Every class and play style is different. For some classes and trees, that
>"uber" skill you learn at 31 points just isn't worth it. Look at the class
>and the skill offered and make your own choice.
>
And if you don't like it once you've tried it, respec. Just don't do
it too often unless you're made of money.

Cheers - Ian
Anonymous
June 9, 2005 2:03:55 AM

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El Durango ytrede sig i <Vbdpe.1503$I14.591@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>
med dette:

>
>"Christian Stauffer" <wildcard666@bluewin.ch> wrote in message
>news:42a5559b$0$1161$5402220f@news.sunrise.ch...
>> "Arthas" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>i was wondering if it's best to have most talent points put into one
>>>group.
>>> will a character be more limited overall if he has an even mix of talent
>>> points in his 3 groups?
>>
>
>Yes and no. Depends on your class and how you want to play it. As a shaman
>I have points across the board and do not see myself going down one tree.
>The reason for this is I would like to have Nature's Swiftness which
>requires 21 points in the restoration tree, however this will not allow me
>to go all the way down any of the other 2 trees. Now I can go all the way
>down the restoration tree but I would only do that if I was some type of
>group buffer/healer.

Yeah, a nice all-round shaman, that can do well in PvP and PvE would
more be something like 16/14/21, since it can give Elemantal Focus, 2H
Axe & Mace and Nature's Swiftness.

It's not a great build for PvP nor PvE raid groups, but it do get some
of the best from all trees.
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Anonymous
June 10, 2005 8:52:26 AM

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In article <INope.28587$iU.18322@lakeread05>,
"sanjian" <sanjian@widomaker.com> wrote:

> Arthas wrote:
> > i was wondering if it's best to have most talent points put into one
> > group. will a character be more limited overall if he has an even mix
> > of talent points in his 3 groups?

> Every class and play style is different. For some classes and trees, that
> "uber" skill you learn at 31 points just isn't worth it. Look at the class
> and the skill offered and make your own choice.

specifically, look several layers DOWN the tree, and see what
super-duper thing you think you want, then see what the "cost" in
pre-talent points is, then decide if it's still worth it. In the end,
you only get 51 pts, right?

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