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July 14, 2012 11:53:27 PM

Hi, i'm wanting to build a new gaming computer but i really don't know much about building one, i found this site and was wondering if some of you could help me out with it.
I want to be able to play WoW on high ( i know it doesnt require all that much lol ). but i also want to be able to play more modern graphics games without problems. I only have about a 650$ budget( i could probably go up to 750 ) which i know isn't a lot. All i need is the tower and windows 7.
July 15, 2012 12:05:33 AM

Your budget is $650-750 and all you need is the case and Windows 7?

I think you could get almost any case and a copy of Windows 7 for that budget. If you need an actual system to go with it, that's different. Do you need a keyboard, mouse, or monitor as well? What about speakers?

This one adds a monitor, but no other peripherals, and has all the parts you'd need. Now, I'm fairly new here and I don't know all the best parts for the buck, so hopefully someone else will come by and make some alterations or offer another system build that can help you out as well. I'd hate to steer you in the wrong direction.

http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/partlist/

It's also a little over your $750 max, but I'm sure there's a few ways to cut some costs in a few components.
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July 15, 2012 12:25:30 AM

LG DVD Burner 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model GH24NS90 - OEM
$16.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GIGABYTE GZ-F5HEB Black SECC Steel / ABS ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
$24.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Intel Core i3-2120 Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz LGA 1155 65W Dual-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 2000 BX80623I32120
$124.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Western Digital Caviar Blue WD5000AAKX 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
$64.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.SKILL Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-1600C9D-8GAO
$45.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

MSI Z68A-G43 (G3) LGA 1155 Intel Z68 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
$94.99 and a $10 rebate makes the final price $84.99.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR Builder Series CX600 V2 600W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply
$69.99 and a $10 rebate makes the final price $59.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM
$99.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

XFX HD-687X-CNFC Radeon HD 6870 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
$209.99 and a $30 rebate makes the final price $179.99.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The total for this build comes to $702.91 and you will get very good gaming performance from the Intel cpu and the 6870 video card.
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July 15, 2012 1:11:56 AM

macgreen said:
Your budget is $650-750 and all you need is the case and Windows 7?

I do believe what he meant by that was he needed the computer and the OS.

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It's also a little over your $750 max, but I'm sure there's a few ways to cut some costs in a few components.

'A little' might be a bit of an understatement... it's about twice his budget.

If I were the OP, this is what I'd do with a $750 limit:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($99.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD3 ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($134.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Kingston HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($45.99 @ NCIX US)
Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7770 1GB Video Card ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill Blackbone ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.00 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 520W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($69.64 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS90 DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $716.55
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)

It comes to about $737 before any rebates apply (I try to avoid relying on rebates). The reason I decided to pick a 965BE over an i3-2120 is because the two are about on par in gaming performance when the 965 has a mild overclock. Not to mention, Gigabyte's UD3 motherboard is a phenomenal gaming board for its price: it's got a good phase regulator for overclocking, supports overclocked RAM (up to 2000MHz), supports 2-way Xfire/SLI (has 4 PCIe 2.0 x16 slots), and it's got USB3 as well. You'll also have a drop-in upgrade path for your CPU well into 2013 (Piledriver CPUs, most likely Steamroller as well).

The Sapphire Vapor-X 7770 I listed is a solid entry-level card that's capable of fantastic overclocking (it comes with a 10% factory overclock to 1100MHz - you can probably get that up to 1200MHz). If you're willing to spend a bit more or rely on rebates to pull through, you could snag something better like a GTX 560 or Radeon 6870.

Don't forget to ask us questions and do your own research as well.
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July 15, 2012 1:20:38 AM

I agree, I'd take a Phenom II over an i3 anyday. But not everyone does feel the same way. I will say though that despite benchmarks, if I put two computers in front of you with the same video card one an i3 and the other a Phenom II, you'd never be able to tell which is which by the game play and at 99.99 the 965 black edition is a hell of deal.

I will say though, that if thats your price range on the video card, I'd consider a GTX 460, its an older generation, but still a very capable video card and a little better than the 7770.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Also this is a mobo thats a little cheaper:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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July 15, 2012 1:36:19 AM

according to that chart the cpu's are the same correct? im so confused i don't really understand all thats been going on or what to get xP
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July 15, 2012 1:39:54 AM

nekulturny said:
I agree, I'd take a Phenom II over an i3 anyday. But not everyone does feel the same way. I will say though that despite benchmarks, if I put two computers in front of you with the same video card one an i3 and the other a Phenom II, you'd never be able to tell which is which by the game play and at 99.99 the 965 black edition is a hell of deal.

My thoughts exactly.

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I will say though, that if thats your price range on the video card, I'd consider a GTX 460, its an older generation, but still a very capable video card and a little better than the 7770.

This is definitely a good alternative. One thing the 7770 does have over the 460 (and almost every other competing video card) is power draw - it leaves plenty of headroom in a 520W power supply to do some serious overclocking (especially on a 125W processor).

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Also this is a mobo thats a little cheaper:

This is another good alternative - Asus makes great motherboards. The only caveat with the M5A97 is that it lacks USB3 headers, so if he moves to a new case, he'll have to run pass-through cables to the rear ports to get his front-panel USB3 to work. It also has less PCIe 2.0 connectivity for SLI/Xfire. Other than that, it's a great way to save $30+ on your build.

I never came across the M5 because I thought all 970-based motherboards only had 1 PCIe 2.0 x16 slot, but I was mistaken. However, I've actually looked again and found the board I would probably pick over the UD3 - the ASRock 990FX Extreme3. It has much better multi-GPU support than the UD3 (up to quad-Xfire/SLI), and virtually every other feature the UD3 had for a little less.

There are a number of good motherboards to choose from on AMD's side, OP. If you choose something other than what we've recommended, just make sure it's a 900-series chipset (990FX, 990X, 970) and is socket AM3+.
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July 15, 2012 1:43:28 AM

:) 
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-2300 2.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($174.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock Z75 Pro3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($92.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($45.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 6870 1GB Video Card ($154.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master Elite 370 ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.98 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 520W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($69.64 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS90 DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($98.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $749.09
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)

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July 15, 2012 1:53:27 AM

Anonymous said:
:) 
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-2300 2.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($174.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: ASRock Z75 Pro3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($92.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($45.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.98 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 6870 1GB Video Card ($154.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master Elite 370 ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.98 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 520W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($69.64 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS90 DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($98.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $749.09
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)


Pssh, I was into and over that song over 10 years ago lol.
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July 15, 2012 2:05:26 AM

never made it to one of the shows, eh?
i worked one as a stagehand . .all the gack (electronics) onstage . . wow.
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July 15, 2012 2:06:29 AM

Good build though. Although the i5-2300 doesn't really have much on a Phenom II @ 4.0. I forgot I had run this Cinebench on Max's computer a while back. I think I posted it in a thread back when I was arguing with some guy, turns out its an i5-2300 not a 2400 as I had thought, I gotta fix my sig.

(No, they're not fudged or photoshopped lol)
Max's i5 w/ GTX 460


Mine Phenom II 975 @4.0ghz w/ Zotac 550 TI AMP edition.
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July 15, 2012 2:07:52 AM

Anonymous said:
never made it to one of the shows, eh?
i worked one as a stagehand . .all the gack (electronics) onstage . . wow.

Nah, I never really got into prodigy that much. I had The Fat of the Land CD, mainly because I liked the song Breathe, although they seemed pretty cool, the genre really wasn't my thing per se. I'm not big on house music, but I have a few guilty pleasures here and there like My Shooter, and of course who doesn't love Sandstorm?
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July 15, 2012 2:13:04 AM

yeah the 2300 isn't the best *cough*upgradepath*cough* and as far as quadcores *cough*lowerpower*cough*consumption*cough* it is lacking.

i really wish there as a $150 - $160 intel quad . .but considering when C2Qs came out, you didn't see one under $225 for quite awhile . .
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July 15, 2012 2:14:30 AM

zach1301 said:
So with what you've all gave me i got this http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/partlist/
Is that right?

I thought you had a $650 budget, you realize thats a 1600 dollar build? Awesome yes, but way over the budget I was under the impression you had.

Edit, err wait, thats a bad link lol. It took me to a build I did for someone else.
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July 15, 2012 2:14:39 AM

zach1301 said:
So with what you've all gave me i got this http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/partlist/
Is that right?

:) 
like it?
i really hoped to get you a 7850, but alas that would have been too over budget.
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July 15, 2012 2:16:27 AM

Anonymous said:
yeah the 2300 isn't the best *cough*upgradepath*cough* and as far as quadcores *cough*lowerpower*cough*consumption*cough* it is lacking.

i really wish there as a $150 - $160 intel quad . .but considering when C2Qs came out, you didn't see one under $225 for quite awhile . .

Yea, well don't hold your breath either. lol. As far as power consumption, meh. I did the math on that too, its like 20 bucks a year under the worst of circumstances.
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July 15, 2012 2:18:19 AM

Anonymous said:
:) 
like it?
i really hoped to get you a 7850, but alas that would have been too over budget.

LOL, the link he put up took me to a build I did last night for a guy, I think you saw the thread, I was scratching my head for a second til my mind clicked.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/bZJk
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July 15, 2012 2:22:25 AM

Anonymous said:
yeah the 2300 isn't the best *cough*upgradepath*cough* and as far as quadcores *cough*lowerpower*cough*consumption*cough* it is lacking.

While the i5 may have a slightly better upgrade path over the Phenom II, when you consider the pricing differences (of the 2500k and FX-8120) and how much of a difference you might notice, there's really nothing wrong with what AMD offers right now (other than having broken many people's hearts and hopes).

I think so, at least.

Edit: Ahaha, I don't think any of us noticed what OP's link actually was. We all thought he picked something we put together. Zach, there's a 'permalink' above the actual list that you have to use so that we can see what you picked.
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July 15, 2012 2:28:06 AM

zach1301 said:
So with what you've all gave me i got this http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/partlist/
Is that right?



Where did you get that from , it's no where near the build I gave you for $700 , that's more than twice you budget. I think you better take a moment and look through the posts to see what's been suggested and if your budget is $650-$750 then go with that.
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July 15, 2012 2:30:43 AM

mousseng said:
While the i5 may have a slightly better upgrade path over the Phenom II, when you consider the pricing differences (of the 2500k and FX-8120) and how much of a difference you might notice, there's really nothing wrong with what AMD offers right now (other than having broken many people's hearts and hopes).

I think so, at least.

ok, i''ll play . .

slightly? what kind of upgrade path does a P II x4 have now?
quick answer; none.
what kind of upgrade path does a i5-2300 have?
well since its on a Z75 chipset . . i5 3570K. a 5-7% increase in efficiency w/o taking in to account clock speed.
that seems to be much more than slightly

i am not saying there is anything wrong with AMD for what they have at the price/points. but if you can afford better, well why drive grandma's station wagon?
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July 15, 2012 2:33:27 AM
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July 15, 2012 2:37:13 AM

^now that is just depressing.
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July 15, 2012 2:38:27 AM

Anonymous said:
ok, i''ll play . .

slightly? what kind of upgrade path does a P II x4 have now?
quick answer; none.
what kind of upgrade path does a i5-2300 have?
well since its on a Z75 chipset . . i5 3570K. a 5-7% increase in efficiency w/o taking in to account clock speed.
that seems to be much more than slightly

i am not saying there is anything wrong with AMD for what they have at the price/points. but if you can afford better, well why drive grandma's station wagon?

Lets play nice now lol
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The i5 Sandy/Ivy Bridge doesn't have an upgrade path at all. Next year Haswell will be on the LGA1150 socket, while you could get an i7 or a better i5 Sandy/Ivy. Would you really want to do that with Haswell out? I wouldn't. That means you need a new motherboard.

As far as what the P II x4 has. Its a very safe bet based on Trinity benches vs i3 that PileDriver 8 cores at stock speeds will indeed be as good as Sandy Bridge i5s, maybe even better. Tom's did an article recently with the Trinity APUs against an i3-2100.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/a10-5800k-a8-5600k-...

Remember i5s don't have HyperThreading, if the 2 PileDriver module (4 cores) can go toe to toe with the a dual core Sandy w/ HyperThreading, safe bet 4 PileDriver modules will hold there own against the i5s.

Rumor mill has it that Intel is focusing mainly on reducing power consumption, as such I woudln't expect too big of a performance gain with Haswell, although to be fair it really is too soon to tell. As far as gaming, Ivy Bridge on game benches didn't even break 1 percent.
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July 15, 2012 2:40:10 AM


Yes its a good budget gaming build, even if I argue with looniam, since you're new here, we are friends, but we're the kind of friends who put a pair of boxing gloves on every now and then in a display of manly pride.
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July 15, 2012 2:42:00 AM

Anonymous said:
what kind of upgrade path does a P II x4 have now?
quick answer; none.

Uh, Bulldozer at the moment. I'll direct you to this thread comparing a 2500k and an 8120 at equal(ish) clocks. The FX is ahead in some benches, behind in others. I doubt OP would upgrade his CPU first, so he's left with plenty of time for Piledriver to come out (I'm not expecting much, but if at this point AMD can't improve speeds then they're hopeless).

Now, the FX-8120 can easily go past 4.5GHz, and so can the 2500k. The 3570k has trouble going past 4.4/4.5, so I'd expect an 8120 with a good overclock would be able keep pace with it in gaming performance. Additionally, you can disable one core per module on the 8120 to make it a true quad-core (since most games don't use more than 2 cores), which would allow you to A) overclock higher due to the lower power draw/heat, and B) improve Bulldozer's IPC. I haven't seen any benches like this, but I'd wager an 8120 would be able to keep up with a 3570k in gaming performance.
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July 15, 2012 2:48:28 AM

Anonymous said:
^now that is just depressing.


what? :o 
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July 15, 2012 2:49:32 AM

nekulturny said:
Yes its a good budget gaming build, even if I argue with looniam, since you're new here, we are friends, but we're the kind of friends who put a pair of boxing gloves on every now and then in a display of manly pride.



Looniam is a bully
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July 15, 2012 2:51:46 AM

zach1301 said:
what? :o 

LOL, Loon is an Intel guy, you have seen what is the biggest ongoing debate this forum has ever known. Pepsi or Coke? People passionate here. I'm going to tell you that for maxing out WOW there is no wrong answer out of any of the builds presented here to you in this thread.
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July 15, 2012 2:52:06 AM

nekulturny said:
Lets play nice now lol
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The i5 Sandy/Ivy Bridge doesn't have an upgrade path at all. Next year Haswell will be on the LGA1150 socket, while you could get an i7 or a better i5 Sandy/Ivy. Would you really want to do that with Haswell out? I wouldn't. That means you need a new motherboard.

As far as what the P II x4 has. Its a very safe bet based on Trinity benches vs i3 that PileDriver 8 cores at stock speeds will indeed be as good as Sandy Bridge i5s, maybe even better. Tom's did an article recently with the Trinity APUs against an i3-2100.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/a10-5800k-a8-5600k-...

Remember i5s don't have HyperThreading, if the 2 PileDriver module (4 cores) can go toe to toe with the a dual core Sandy w/ HyperThreading, safe bet 4 PileDriver modules will hold there own against the i5s.

Rumor mill has it that Intel is focusing mainly on reducing power consumption, as such I woudln't expect too big of a performance gain with Haswell, although to be fair it really is too soon to tell. As far as gaming, Ivy Bridge on game benches didn't even break 1 percent.


haswell is at least another year off also that is not aimed toward the consumer/gamers market; it is more enterprise orientated like sandy-E. the socket 1155 isn't going anywhere for awhile. fwi, they just now decided to not have it use DDR4 memory . . .long way off.

why is the AMD fanboys touting graphics win over a low end dual core sandy as something special? i honestly would be ashamed of that. AMD has a lot of ground to catch up, no one or even two generations of chips will make up for it,it is just impossible . .but to dream, to hope . . .

though as far as haswell's gain . . .this is the tock of the cycle . . where intel has historically have had big gains; much like the core, nehalem and sandy tocks. ivy was just a tick.
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July 15, 2012 2:52:21 AM

zach1301 said:
what? :o 

I think he's sad you didn't pick an Intel processor. He could've been talking about something else, I guess, but I dunno. Your build looks right good to me, though!
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July 15, 2012 2:52:48 AM

guerrero said:
Looniam is a bully

One man's bully is another man's passionate advocate. :lol: 
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July 15, 2012 2:52:57 AM

guerrero said:
Looniam is a bully

shut up!
:lol: 
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July 15, 2012 2:58:24 AM

mousseng said:
Uh, Bulldozer at the moment. I'll direct you to this thread comparing a 2500k and an 8120 at equal(ish) clocks. The FX is ahead in some benches, behind in others. I doubt OP would upgrade his CPU first, so he's left with plenty of time for Piledriver to come out (I'm not expecting much, but if at this point AMD can't improve speeds then they're hopeless).

Now, the FX-8120 can easily go past 4.5GHz, and so can the 2500k. The 3570k has trouble going past 4.4/4.5, so I'd expect an 8120 with a good overclock would be able keep pace with it in gaming performance. Additionally, you can disable one core per module on the 8120 to make it a true quad-core (since most games don't use more than 2 cores), which would allow you to A) overclock higher due to the lower power draw/heat, and B) improve Bulldozer's IPC. I haven't seen any benches like this, but I'd wager an 8120 would be able to keep up with a 3570k in gaming performance.



please stop embarrassing yourself by saying bulldozer. a cpu that need to have software patched to function. getting an i5 is a safe bet; it is going to perform just dandy w/o having to ask developer to optimize its software to make use of its crippled "modules". . .

playing BF3 ok, it keeps up. but unless the software is optimize to make use of multi threading it falls flat on its face.
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July 15, 2012 3:00:00 AM

Anonymous said:
haswell is at least another year off also that is not aimed toward the consumer/gamers market; it is more enterprise orientated like sandy-E. the socket 1155 isn't going anywhere for awhile. fwi, they just now decided to not have it use DDR4 memory . . .long way off.

why is the AMD fanboys touting graphics win over a low end dual core sandy as something special? i honestly would be ashamed of that. AMD has a lot of ground to catch up, no one or even two generations of chips will make up for it,it is just impossible . .but to dream, to hope . . .

though as far as haswell's gain . . .this is the tock of the cycle . . where intel has historically have had big gains; much like the core, nehalem and sandy tocks. ivy was just a tick.



You know I love you right? But you're dead wrong on this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haswell_%28microarchitectu...

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Confirmed new features

New sockets — LGA 1150 for desktops and rPGA947 & BGA1364 for the mobile market.[


As far as what PileDriver brings to the table, I showed you a link. Trinity HAS PileDriver modules in it. And it indeed is running with a Sandy Bridge chip, and in some cases, outperforming it.
As far as intels historic big gains, they've also had their own "Faildozers" before, in the Pentium 4 and Pentium D, while its not likely, I wouldn't use recent history as a guarantee that Haswell will be "the big one". Until the chips get benched, speculation is nice, but it proves nothing.

As far as DDR4, I wasn't expecting to see that until 2014/15 anyway. Really DDR3 hasn't even come to its full potential.
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July 15, 2012 3:00:13 AM

lol okay, thank you all very much for your help :) 
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July 15, 2012 3:00:22 AM

Best answer selected by zach1301.
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July 15, 2012 3:00:29 AM

zach1301 said:
what? :o 

there is no comparing an i5 to a P II x4 build but if you are happy with it, cheers.
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July 15, 2012 3:12:58 AM

nekulturny said:
You know I love you right? But you're dead wrong on this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haswell_%28microarchitectu...

Quote:
Confirmed new features

New sockets — LGA 1150 for desktops and rPGA947 & BGA1364 for the mobile market.[


As far as what PileDriver brings to the table, I showed you a link. Trinity HAS PileDriver modules in it. And it indeed is running with a Sandy Bridge chip, and in some cases, outperforming it.
As far as intels historic big gains, they've also had their own "Faildozers" before, in the Pentium 4 and Pentium D, while its not likely, I wouldn't use recent history as a guarantee that Haswell will be "the big one". Until the chips get benched, speculation is nice, but it proves nothing.

As far as DDR4, I wasn't expecting to see that until 2014/15 anyway. Really DDR3 hasn't even come to its full potential.

i made in error presenting the POV that 1155 will be around for awhile because the only news of haswell has been in the enterprise market. i can understand that i didn't express that clearly.

ok, lets take a (honestly) random benchmark for that triny article:

so a 4 core triny beats a dual core sandy by 30 seconds (25%) . . .is that a victory? really? really? i am sorry. oh, 4 threads ( and a thread performs 30% of a real core)of the i3, but at a much lower clock speed also.

btw, they are manufacturing DDR4 as we speak.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR4
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Three months later in April 2011, Hynix announced the production of 2 GB DDR4 modules at 2400 MT/s, also running at 1.2 V on a process between 30 and 39 nm (exact process unspecified),[1] adding that it anticipated commencing high volume production in the second half of 2012.[1] Semiconductor processes for DDR4 are expected to transition to sub-30 nm at some point between late 2012 and 2014


wow this little box gets filled to fast to edit it . . :p 
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July 15, 2012 3:18:10 AM

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so a 4 core triny beats a dual core sandy by 30 seconds (25%) . . .is that a victory? really? really? i am sorry.


Dude come on.. You're being a hypocrite here. i3-2100s get about 1 or 2 FPS better than Phenom IIs in benchmarks, and yet I've seen you use that "Pick a Sub $200 Gaming CPU" article at least a dozen times on these forums as justifications to why someone should buy an i3 over the Phenom II. It performs better, period. I'm not saying you should run out and buy a Trinity and throw your i3 build in the trash, of course that would be silly.

I know they are manufacturing DDR4. I also know its at least a couple years off from being mainstream used. They may be out this year, or next, but theres no way they're going to get a strong hold in the market right away.\

Edit. as far as clock to clock benches, they don't impress me, they never has. Its not like a gamer is going to downclock their CPU.... CPUs run at the frequency they run at.. period. If Intel wants to charge a minimum of $220 to overclock, thats their stupidity.
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July 15, 2012 3:37:07 AM

nekulturny said:
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so a 4 core triny beats a dual core sandy by 30 seconds (25%) . . .is that a victory? really? really? i am sorry.


Dude come on.. You're being a hypocrite here. i3-2100s get about 1 or 2 FPS better than Phenom IIs in benchmarks, and yet I've seen you use that "Pick a Sub $200 Gaming CPU" article at least a dozen times on these forums as justifications to why someone should buy an i3 over the Phenom II. It performs better, period. I'm not saying you should run out and buy a Trinity and throw your i3 build in the trash, of course that would be silly.


yes i have used that article quite a few times when i thought it was relevant. i just cannot see how anyone can claim that 4 core triny cpu is comparable to 4 core sandy cpu based on benchmark results against a dual core sandy; there wasn't even a that substantial difference. had it beaten an i3 by 75% as opposed to 30% then my eye brows would have been raised.

the only thing that article proved was the igpu of a triny is much better than an igpu of a sandy; that is all the data reflects. but now a bunch of amd fanboys (present company excluded) are wanting to skew the data to say that the triny/piledriver is comparable to a sandy in cpu architecture. it has improved greatly since bulldozer but that it; there still too large of difference in performance to make any claim of being comparable.

i ain't taking a side . .really . .i am just calling it as i see it.
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July 15, 2012 3:49:15 AM

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. i just cannot see how anyone can claim that 4 core triny cpu is comparable to 4 core sandy cpu based on benchmark results against a dual core sandy;


Well, you understand how PileDriver/Bulldozer is designed right? They have "modules", each module has 2 integer cores that share a floating point unit. So a 4 core Trinity, like the FX-4100/4170 is actually 2 modules (4 integer cores), . This means that the FX-8s have 4 modules, 8 cores. Are you with me so far?

What I'm saying is that its very likely based on that, PileDriver 8 cores (FX-8320s/8350s) will be as good or better as 4 Sandy Bridge cores. And as you said, a HyperThread can be counted as 30 percent of a core. Well, i5 against a PileDriver 8 core will not have that benefit, as i5s do not have HyperThreading, its just straight up 4 cores.

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there wasn't even a that substantial difference. had it beaten an i3 by 75% as opposed to 30% then my eye brows would have been raised.


I never said it was a substantial difference. I said they would be equal or greater to Sandy Bridge quads. And based on that bench, theres no reason they wouldn't be.

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the only thing that article proved was the igpu of a triny is much better than an igpu of a sandy; that is all the data reflects.


Well everybody knows that AMD has better igpus, but that article did run benches on the actual CPU performance, and again it does show what PileDriver can do. \

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but now a bunch of amd fanboys (present company excluded) are wanting to skew the data to say that the triny/piledriver is comparable to a sandy in cpu architecture.


Because it is lol... Yes of course Sandy still has an advantage in single thread performance, as that article does indicate. However, as the article also mentions, most modern programs do not still use single thread. Multithreading is where things are heading, which means individual core performance, while still important, is not and will not be as much.

From the article conclusion page:

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The Core i3-2100 does well in single-threaded x86 metrics, where its efficient architecture simply muscles past AMD’s best effort with the Piledriver design. There aren't many, though, and I imagine they'll only get more rare and less meaningful over time.
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July 15, 2012 3:54:05 AM

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please stop embarrassing yourself by saying bulldozer. a cpu that need to have software patched to function. getting an i5 is a safe bet; it is going to perform just dandy w/o having to ask developer to optimize its software to make use of its crippled "modules". . .

playing BF3 ok, it keeps up. but unless the software is optimize to make use of multi threading it falls flat on its face.

I kind of get the feeling you didn't really read my post, and that makes me sad. :c I can tell nobody's mind will be changed by this thread, but for the sake of friendly debate, I'll reiterate:

- At roughly equal clocks (4.5), an FX-8120 is able to keep up with a 2500k
- An 8120 can exceed 4.5GHz very easily; a 2500k can as well; a 3570k, probably not
- Bulldozer's instructions-per-clock can be improved by disabling a core per module, making it a true quad-core

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i ain't taking a side . .really . .i am just calling it as i see it.

I believe it. But I think you should take another look at Bulldozer.
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July 15, 2012 4:06:41 AM

All I'm going to say is that by making the CPU dependent on the OS, AMD hindered its capabilities.
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July 15, 2012 4:08:06 AM

This was a GAMING topic. Bringing in "multi-threaded apps" is irrelevant.
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July 15, 2012 4:08:52 AM

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This was a GAMING topic. Bringing in "multi-threaded apps" is irrelevant.

The gaming topic was resolved. If you're looking to troll the thread, then take a hike, adults a talking.
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July 15, 2012 4:13:28 AM

I am 20. No need to call me a kid just cuz I am younger than you. Trolling? What part of that is trolling? And using "this thread was resolved" is not something you should be saying because you did too. So before judging someone, take a hard look.
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July 15, 2012 4:13:52 AM

Man, people these days. Take everything too seriously. It's the internet; just chill.
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