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July 15, 2012 2:20:13 PM

Thanks in advance for your time and expertise.


Approximate Purchase Date: This week

Budget Range: $2000-$2500 (price to include shipping charges)

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, Remote work (Lots of multi-tasking). Also some video editing and watching a movie now and then.

Parts Not Required: Not needing the peripherals (keyboard, mouse, monitor, etc.)

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: NewEgg, unless someone can recommend other reputable places to shop online in the US.

Country: USA (non-contiguous)

Parts Preferences: Intel CPU & Nvidia GPU

Overclocking: Yes, but not immediately

SLI or Crossfire: SLI in the future

Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080

Additional Comments: I intend to go water-cooled in the future, when I plan to test OC'ing. Below is a link to my Wishlist off of Newegg. One other thing to consider is shipping charges may be fairly high because I'm all the way out in Hawaii.

Link to Parts Wishlist @ Newegg

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July 15, 2012 2:29:56 PM

Looks Ok except the case. I would look for a tower case because you mentioned water cooling in the future. You might have issues with fitting one in a Mid-ATX case, especially with all that good hardware ;) 
I would also change the memory to 2x8GB sticks so if you wanted to add more in the future, u can.
July 15, 2012 2:57:26 PM

dingo07 said:
Looks Ok except the case. I would look for a tower case because you mentioned water cooling in the future. You might have issues with fitting one in a Mid-ATX case, especially with all that good hardware ;) 
I would also change the memory to 2x8GB sticks so if you wanted to add more in the future, u can.


Thanks for your input! Very good advice.

I'll swap out my original memory choice and go with 2x8GB modules to account for future upgradeability.

Per your suggestion, I'm also looking to go with the following full tower case:
AZZA Solano 1000 Black/Black Japanese SECC Steel/Metal mesh in front ATX Full Tower Computer Case

Let me know if you have other suggestions. I'm looking forward to finalizing the build so I can prep for the launch of Mech Warrior. :lol: 

I'll wait until later today to see if there are any more suggestions.

Is this forum points based? I wasn't sure if I'm supposed to award good advice. Apologies, but I'm a forum noob.
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July 15, 2012 3:34:11 PM

CPU: i5 3570k 230$. An i7 would do nothing for you nyway.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU: 670gtx 400$ ( I went from 670gtx sli to 680gtx sli and the 680gtx do not worth it IMO
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case: NZXT switch at 170$ is a nice one if you want a clear side panel
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
If you can find a retailer for that one its an ubber case
http://www.aerocool.com.tw/index.php/products/strike-x/...

HHD: Seagate barracuda 1TB 7200rpm 100$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SSD: Crucial M4 512gb 400$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU: 750w Antec 100$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
You would probably be good with a 650w one but on a 2500$ budget many want to be futur proof (you'd save 20$ at max)

mobo: Asus maximus 190$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

DvD burner: samsung 14$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Ram: 16gb at 1600Hz (4x4gb)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total = 1696.91 with shipping

Here are the thigns that you might want to add or remove.

1) 27" 2560x1440p IPS panel for 320$ that use the same panel then Dell monitor selling at 700$ (but grade A- instead of A+)
http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?&m=1549711&mpage=1
Spending over 2000$ in a gaming PC for 1080p is a waste IMO. I own that monitor and I'm ordeing 2 other soon to go 3 monitor set-up

2) 670gtx sli. So you add another 670gtx only worth it if you go over 1080p since my bro can run BF3 on ultra with 4MSAA with a single 670gtx in 4800x 1050p

3) You can save 10$ or so if you use 1333Hz speed ram since gaming see no improvement over that speed ATM

4) You could save 30-40$ using only 8GB of ram (2x 4gb) since most gamer don't need that much

5) You could use that 300$ corsair obsidiant 800d: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

6) You could get another mobo if you plan to go 3 or 4way sli someday. Asus UI is and feature are the best for overclocking IMO.

7) You coudl switch the DvD burner for a blue-ray burner about +80-100$ more.

Edit: I have not added any CPU cooler even if you've talked about overlocking since you said that you would go watercooling later one.

Otherwise for 30$ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... is a killer.
July 15, 2012 3:37:38 PM

i5 3570k
hyper evo 212
If you want a full tower Nzxt Switch 810
or
Corsair 500R
8GB 1600
7970
samsung 830 128SSD
1 TB WD Black HDD
HX 750
Gigabyte UD5H Z77
MX-4 TIM
July 15, 2012 3:41:52 PM

X-1050 is overkill. X-660 or X-750 would be more than enough, even with multiple gpus in the future.
July 15, 2012 3:51:06 PM

A very nice build.

Here are my thoughts:

3770K is appropriate for your usage.

Sabretooth motherboard is nice, but probably more expensive than you really need.

A 1050w psu is stronger than you need, even for sli GTX680. 850W is plenty.

The Noctua NH-D14 is as good as it gets for an air cooler, particularly in a decently cooled case. A liquid cooler will be no more effective.

A liquid cooler will also be noisier, more expensive, and have more parts prone to failure.
Today's parts run cooler and are tolerant of heat. No change is needed there.

If you are planning on sli as a graphics upgrade, consider just replacing the GTX680 with a GTX690. It is the equivalent of sli GTX670 in a single card. It would only need a 700W psu, and not need a sli capable motherboard.

What will you be using for a monitor? Are you considering triple monitor gaming?
A really nice monitor is one of the few future proof PC purchases you can make today.
Have you thought about a 2560 x 1600 30" monitor, or a 2560 x 1440 27" monitor?
Yes, they are expensive, but with your budget it would seem appropriate.
Game on it, and keep your current monitor as a second side monitor.
July 15, 2012 4:21:22 PM

You won't see any benefit from the i7 3770k over the i5 3570k even if its +100$ as you don't seem to be doing any heavy threading. Multi-tasking =/= Multi threading.

The samsung 830 is one of the best SSD out there but sell for almost twice the price of a crucial M4. You won't see any difference for gaming and loading time. If you do lots and lots of heavy file sharing/editing it might worth it but the 830 is mostly a professional tool IMO.

A 512gb crucial M4 will be about the price of a 256gb samsung 830.

Also if your going watercooling their is no need to buy the overclocked version of GPU's.

And since I had both 670gtx sli and 680gtx sli I can tell you the 680gtx are just overpriced for the +2$+4% power increasement.

If a single 670gtx isn't enough for your need a 680gtx won't be either. Put 400$ on a 670gtx and in a year or so buy a second one at the deacreased price.
July 15, 2012 4:32:04 PM

geofelt said:
A very nice build.

The Noctua NH-D14 is as good as it gets for an air cooler, particularly in a decently cooled case. A liquid cooler will be no more effective.

A liquid cooler will also be noisier, more expensive, and have more parts prone to failure.
Today's parts run cooler and are tolerant of heat. No change is needed there.

If you are planning on sli as a graphics upgrade, consider just replacing the GTX680 with a GTX690. It is the equivalent of sli GTX670 in a single card. It would only need a 700W psu, and not need a sli capable motherboard.



1) watercooling won't be noisier exept if you go the cheap way. Watter cooling will cost you a lot more $ but high end watercooling are more silent then high end air cooling. But well watercooling is mroe for fanboy then actual benefits

2) the 690gtx still need a sli ready mobo, even if it only use 1 physical PCIe slut its still use the sli settings. The only benifit of the double GPU cards over going for two single GPU is the less power usage and less subject to micro stuttering but at the cost of slower performance and more heat problem.

As you said the 690gtx is about the 670gtx sli performance but at the price of going 680gtx sli.
July 15, 2012 4:44:31 PM

venur said:
1) watercooling won't be noisier exept if you go the cheap way. Watter cooling will cost you a lot more $ but high end watercooling are more silent then high end air cooling. But well watercooling is mroe for fanboy then actual benefits

2) the 690gtx still need a sli ready mobo, even if it only use 1 physical PCIe slut its still use the sli settings. The only benifit of the double GPU cards over going for two single GPU is the less power usage and less subject to micro stuttering but at the cost of slower performance and a lot more heat problem.

As you said the 690gtx is about the 670gtx sli performance but at the price of going 680gtx sli.

@venur:

1) Liquid cooling is really air cooling. It is just a matter of where the heat exchange takes place. Liquid cooling needs a radiator and fans, and it is the fans that make noise. And, to what effect? How much is it worth to be able to raise your OC from, say 4.5 to 4.7? To my mind, not much for a gaming system.

2) I do not recommend the GTX690. My point was, that a significant single card upgrade was possible, even with only one pci-e X16 slot. More likely, the real kepler will show up by the end of the year, giving you a big single gpu jump. Who knows after that.

3) I said the 3770K was appropriate for two reasons. a. The OP will be doing video editing, and multitasking, which can be multithreaded. And b. Why not? $100 is a blip on this budget.

4) Ram is cheap, 16gb can be a big help with editing.

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July 15, 2012 5:07:20 PM
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I think a $2500 deserves a better case ......

1050 watts is overkill unless thinking tri-SLI

Samsung 830 is way way overpriced. Chronos Deluxe, equipped with premium toshiba extended long life toggle mode flash would be my choice at the same price but at $200, there's really nothing to talk about.

I have had too many issues with GSkill to recommend them.

It's the Barracuda XT you want as a performance HD

I'd recommend the 3570k if not for the fact that you have video editing on your app list and HT will certainly come in handy for this task.

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

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It's almost ironic that air coolers like this are becoming available just as processors transition to designs that may ultimately render them unnecessary; even overclocked to 5GHz, an Intel Sandy Bridge 2600K doesn't need anywhere near this level of cooling.


With CPU's not needing "anywhere near this level of cooling" with the better air coolers, I don't see the draw for CPU water cooling unless your goal is to get on "Top Benchmark Scores " lists throughout the web

Total Build Cost below is $2,365. For the extra $280 or so, you;re looking at, at least, a 70% performance increase

Case - $ 125 - Corsair Carbide 500R (Significant improvement over Azza case)
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU - $ 1650 - Corsair HX850 (10.0 jonnyguru rating and better voltage regulation and ripple than AX series)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

MoBo - $ 550 - ASUS Z77 Sabertooth / CPU Combo (Save an extra $15)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

CPU - Incl - Intel Core i7-3770K (comes in Combo with above)

Cooler - $ 80 - Phanteks PH-TC14PE (5 times the warranty, better looks, equal or better thermal performance)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...
http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/phanteks_ph_tc14pe...
http://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/phanteks_ph_tc14pe...

TIM - $ 5 - Shin Etsu (All of AS5's performance with no curing issues)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

RAM - $ 114 - (2 x 8GB) Mushkin Blackline DDR3-1600
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GFX - $ 430 - Asus GTX 670 DCII TOP (review says it all)
GFX - $ 430 - Asus GTX 670 DCII TOP Same

Twin 670 TOP's get 1679 fps in Guru3D's game test suite, 70% more than your 680 gets w/ 989 fps
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_670...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HD - $ 210 - Seagate Barracuda XT 2TB 64MB (read the review)
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SSD - $ 200 - Mushkin Chronos Deluxe 240 GB (Read the review)
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4328/mushkin_chronos_d...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

DVD Writer - $ 55 - Asus Model BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
July 15, 2012 5:35:19 PM

geofelt said:
@venur:

1) Liquid cooling is really air cooling. It is just a matter of where the heat exchange takes place. Liquid cooling needs a radiator and fans, and it is the fans that make noise. And, to what effect? How much is it worth to be able to raise your OC from, say 4.5 to 4.7? To my mind, not much for a gaming system.

2) I do not recommend the GTX690. My point was, that a significant single card upgrade was possible, even with only one pci-e X16 slot. More likely, the real kepler will show up by the end of the year, giving you a big single gpu jump. Who knows after that.

3) I said the 3770K was appropriate for two reasons. a. The OP will be doing video editing, and multitasking, which can be multithreaded. And b. Why not? $100 is a blip on this budget.

4) Ram is cheap, 16gb can be a big help with editing.



1) You can add more fans to run at at a slower speed in watercooling thats how you can achieve a more silent system then going for pure air cooling. Does it worth it ? I've stated it was for fanboy.

2) As far as I know you need a sli ready mobo in order to use a 690gtx even if it require only 1 physical slot. If you have a double GPU card runing on a 16x/0 - 8x/8x mobo you'll see it run on the 8x/8x mode and not the 16x/0.

If the 690gtx could use the single card setting it would be a big performance gain over singles card.
July 15, 2012 7:43:03 PM

venur said:
1) You can add more fans to run at at a slower speed in watercooling thats how you can achieve a more silent system then going for pure air cooling. Does it worth it ? I've stated it was for fanboy.

2) As far as I know you need a sli ready mobo in order to use a 690gtx even if it require only 1 physical slot. If you have a double GPU card runing on a 16x/0 - 8x/8x mobo you'll see it run on the 8x/8x mode and not the 16x/0.

If the 690gtx could use the single card setting it would be a big performance gain over singles card.


I did a little checking. It appears that the GTX690 runs just fine on a non sli motherboard. The reason is, that the frame splitting is done inside the card itself, not on the motherboard. Here is a review from an actual GTX690 user.
The price is crazy, but the results are impressive:
http://forum.avsim.net/reviews/content/18-evga-gtx690-d...
July 15, 2012 9:14:10 PM

I just woke up to a lot of great replies. :D 

Thanks for your input, everyone. It's very much appreciated!

I'm going to mull over all of the great suggestions and will post the final build I decide on. I may end up asking a few more questions before I make a decision.
July 16, 2012 4:28:11 AM

Edit:

I'm making a conscious effort not to double-post.

Here's the final build-out:

CPU: Intel Core i7 3770K Processor 3.5 GHz 4 Core LGA 1155 - BX80637I73770K - Intel 338.98

GPU: ASUS GeForce GTX 670-DC2-2GD5 VGA - 2GB GDDR5 - GPU Tweak 429.99 18.27
GPU: ASUS GeForce GTX 670-DC2-2GD5 VGA - 2GB GDDR5 - GPU Tweak 429.99 15.45
I had to buy from two different vendors, since these were going out of stock quickly

Case: NZXT Crafted Series ATX Full Tower Steel Chassis - Phantom White 119.99

HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 119.17

SSD: Crucial M4 CT512M4SSD1 2.5" 512GB SATA III MLC 7mm Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) 399.99

PSU: Corsair HX Professional Series 850-Watt 80 Plus Certified 152.99

Mobo: ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77 TUF Series Motherboard on Intel Z77 Platform 214.99

DVD: Asus Black 12X BD-ROM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM SATA Internal Blu-Ray Drive (BC-12B1ST) 54.99

RAM: Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model 997050 114.99

Cooler: PHANTEKS PH-TC14PE 89.99

Thermal:MASSCOOL G751 Shin-Etsu Thermal Interface Material 2.37 4.99
ArctiClean 60ml Kit - Arctic Silver 5.99


Parts: 2474.42
Amazon S&H: 38.71
Newegg S&H: 27.26
Total: 2540.39

Thanks again for providing me with great input. I hope to someday become savvy enough to help others in return. :) 

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Hey all,

Thanks to:
dingo07
vyreon
venur
redeemer
Temile
geofelt
JackNaylorPE


All of your suggestions and insight have played a part in this newest build, even if I did not use some of recommended parts. :) 


I'm so glad I came here before I made any purchases since my initial build had so much room for improvement. Let me know if there are any suggestions to the newest build-out.


CPU: Intel Core i7 3770K Processor 3.5 GHz 4 Core LGA 1155 - BX80637I73770K - Intel

GPU: 2x ASUS GeForce GTX 670-DC2-2GD5 VGA - 2GB GDDR5 - GPU Tweak

Case: NZXT Crafted Series ATX Full Tower Steel Chassis - Phantom White

HDD: Seagate Barracuda XT ST32000641AS 2TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s

SSD: Mushkin Chronos Deluxe 240 GB SATA 6.0 Gb-s (MKNSSDCR240GB-DX)

PSU: Corsair HX Professional Series 850-Watt 80 Plus Certified

Mobo: ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77 TUF Series Motherboard on Intel Z77 Platform

DVD: Asus Black 12X BD-ROM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM SATA Internal Blu-Ray Drive (BC-12B1ST)

RAM: Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model 997050
I'm unfamiliar with this brand of RAM. I'm going with this based on the sugestion, and the fact that it has a low profile, as I've heard that the modules with heat spreaders may cause space issues with some components.

Cooler: PHANTEKS PH-TC14PE
Not sure whether to go with the The Noctua NH-D14 or this. Both have great reviews, with the Phantek having the awesome 5-year warranty.

Thermal:
MASSCOOL G751 Shin-Etsu Thermal Interface Material
ArctiClean 60ml Kit - Arctic Silver
I'm assuming this is to redo the default CPU thermal pasting, or would this be for the CPU Cooler fan?

I may be splitting purchases between amazon and Newegg, since my Amazon Prime membership may give me some free shipping relief. I'll try to post the price total after I finalize the build based on any new suggestions. I'm hoping to start purchasing tonight/tomorrow.
July 16, 2012 4:39:35 AM

geofelt said:

What will you be using for a monitor? Are you considering triple monitor gaming?
A really nice monitor is one of the few future proof PC purchases you can make today.
Have you thought about a 2560 x 1600 30" monitor, or a 2560 x 1440 27" monitor?
Yes, they are expensive, but with your budget it would seem appropriate.
Game on it, and keep your current monitor as a second side monitor.


I currently have a Viewsonic VA902B 19" and a 27" Samsung Syncmaster P2770FH. I'm planning to upgrade to a dual monitor setup and will take a look at your suggestions. Right now, my thinking is that I've got the okay for the system build budget, and can justify the monitors later this year, as I need to clear purchases with the wife. :??: 
July 16, 2012 10:06:29 AM

Best answer selected by M1ndBl0w3r.
July 16, 2012 11:47:36 AM

The CPU comes clean in the box and you'll have to put some TIM on it when installing the heatsink/fan assembly to the motherboard.The G751 is good stuff. All you need is a pea sized amount in the center of the processor, you don't want to blob it all over the place, then install the heatsink. It will spread evenly and totally, don't worry!

Enjoy the build!
July 16, 2012 12:30:15 PM

I think u do not need a cpu i7. i5 should be engough for gaming. the most important is VGA.
July 16, 2012 10:32:47 PM

henry81 said:
I think u do not need a cpu i7. i5 should be engough for gaming. the most important is VGA.

Thanks for your input, henry81.

I contemplated a long time between purchasing the i7 or i5. I went with the i7 because I plan to do some video editing. I have a friend who is a big time enthusiast that will be helping me out. Depending on how much interest I build, I may end up using it for more intensive editing work.

Edit Update:
Whoops! I almost purchased the wrong GPU's for this build. The cards I purchased were not SLI ready. I was able to cancel and reorder the appropriate ones. I just brought it up in case there are other builds out there by people like me, who did not realize that the GPU's needed to be SLI ready. Sorry, but I thought SLI/Crossfire capabilities were built into all high end cards. This may save some people from the heartache of returning the wrong parts. :??: 
August 13, 2012 1:10:34 AM

M1ndBl0w3r said:
Thanks for your input, henry81.

I contemplated a long time between purchasing the i7 or i5. I went with the i7 because I plan to do some video editing. I have a friend who is a big time enthusiast that will be helping me out. Depending on how much interest I build, I may end up using it for more intensive editing work.

Edit Update:
Whoops! I almost purchased the wrong GPU's for this build. The cards I purchased were not SLI ready. I was able to cancel and reorder the appropriate ones. I just brought it up in case there are other builds out there by people like me, who did not realize that the GPU's needed to be SLI ready. Sorry, but I thought SLI/Crossfire capabilities were built into all high end cards. This may save some people from the heartache of returning the wrong parts. :??: 


Hi,
Your point is also planning to do some video editing, you are correct. i7 is a little bit faster i5 about this aspect. Good luck.
!