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Nvidia 690Gtx Issues

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May 23, 2012 5:51:00 PM

Hello Forum.

My first time here.
Thought it was time to shift my 5870 AMD card out
So I just bought a Nvidia 690Gtx from MSI to the following setup:

I7 930 @2,8Ghz
6Gb Ram 1333Mhz
1000Watt PSU from Silverstone
On a Gigabyte X58A-UD3R
Playing on 1920 X 1080 Resolution.

So I was like yea! Crysis2, Batman Arkham City, and BF3 on Max 60FPS Avg. NP!

But! No. I got 40 Fps Avg in Crysis2, 40 / 50 Fps Avg in BF3. (Online) Batman is coded really bad but lag sometimes terrible, and I think I got like 40 / 50 FPS Avg.

Wow got like 30 Fps in SW, my friend with a I5 2500K / 560 Got the exact same to lol.

So first I thought Hm.. I could try Overclock my CPU to 3,9Ghz see if it make any different at all. Testing Wow sure it seems better, but where was less people in SW at that time. (Gonna try this later again)
But pay attention to that I play Wow from a 3.0 USB drive installed on my old 5870 (Don't know if that have ANY kind of effect)

Getting a lot of random colors sometimes, and stripes. Even in W7 index window.

Enable Multi GPU in Nvidia got a 2080 Score in Heaven bench 3.0 everything at max. (82,6FPS)

First of all I really don't wanna shift my rig if I need to do that for max performance at the card. Since I shift my rig in 2014 for the new Nvidia technology, DDR4 ram, and the new CPU at that time.
Keep in mind I maybe wanna RMA my 690 and get a 670 instead.

But the plan was to have this card to 2014 and play everything on max. But atm it really doesn't seems like that's a good idea :pt1cable: 

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May 23, 2012 6:02:23 PM

Since you were on an AMD card before, are you 100% sure that your AMD driver install was cleaned out? If all you did was run the CCC uninstaller, I'd recommend running atiman uninstaller (google it) or following these steps:
http://www.overclock.net/t/988215/how-to-properly-unins...

Then, I'd recommend doing the same thing for your nvidia drivers, following these steps:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1150443/how-to-remove-your-n...

Then reinstall the newest Nvidia driver and see if that fixed things. It's always possible you just have a bad card, but I'd make 100% sure that you're not seeing driver-related errors before making an RMA on the 690.
May 23, 2012 6:04:33 PM

uninstall the nvidia drivers reboot into safe mode run driversweeper remove all entries for amd video drivers and the nvidia driver, reboot and reinstall the newest nvidia drivers......
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May 23, 2012 6:08:17 PM

overclock that cpu to at least 4ghz. ur bottlenecking your spanking new thousand dollar card sir
May 23, 2012 7:48:31 PM

Thanks for the replay guys!
So I updated my driver to 301.42, Crysis 2 runs Avg on 60 Fps sometimes down on 58 with V sync and max on.

BF3 in 64 Map Caspian Border, full players run down to 40 fps without Vsync, which for me is very weird then I heard people run that game with 86 FPS with 670 in SLI.

I reinstalled W7 when I got my 690 :) 
May 23, 2012 7:54:43 PM

Performance issues with dual-GPU setups are almost always driver issues. Drivers are still early, so I imagine that 690 performance will improve a bit over time in the areas where it doesnt perform how you expect.

I am surprised that you see below 60fps in BF3, but it's possible that is due to your CPU I suppose... do you see those dips when you have the CPU OC'd?
May 23, 2012 8:25:14 PM

Thanks for the fast replay guys! really helpful!

Well.. I suppose it could be my CPU in BF3 with so many players, and a Driver issue.

DIPS I still got a bit of...
May 23, 2012 9:44:44 PM

Ok after the update of the drivers, playing around, I still got FPS drops down to 50Fps even in 32 Maps BF3. - Max settings out Vsync.. This is terrible.

What could it be?
a c 78 Î Nvidia
a b Ý World of Warcraft
May 23, 2012 9:48:37 PM

Historically, dual GPU cards frankly don't do as well as two single GPU cards in SLI. But this time around, in some games, I have seen them actually do a frame or two better ..... two dual GPUs in quad SLI is still a dog.
May 23, 2012 9:53:36 PM

JackNaylorPE said:
Historically, dual GPU cards frankly don't do as well as two single GPU cards in SLI. But this time around, in some games, I have seen them actually do a frame or two better ..... two dual GPUs in quad SLI is still a dog.


GTX 690 reviews indicate that it is an exception to the rule, being just a couple % behind 680 SLI.

OP, you should not be getting fps drops that low with a GTX 690. Did you try overclocking your CPU? If you fire up EVGA Precision/MSI Afterburner, what % GPU usage do you have?

If you are not at 99% GPU usage, then you are seeing a CPU bottleneck (probably).
a b Î Nvidia
May 23, 2012 10:02:59 PM

Dude, you are way overkill for 1920X1080. You would be far better off with a nice new Ivy Bridge with new motherboard and a 670. At that resolution dual 680's or a 690 can actually be slower than a single 680/670.
a b Î Nvidia
May 23, 2012 10:11:07 PM

OP, I know you said you don't want to *** your rig (and you must've spent a ton for those components...), but you're stuck with PCIe 2.0. While I know there's no single GPU on the market that actually needs PCIe 3.0 bandwidth, the GTX 690 is actually bottlenecked by PCIe 2.0. from what I've read here and there, a single 680 or 7970 are just reading the point of maxing out PCIe 2.0 x16 bandwidth

so until you upgrade your rig, don't expect more preformance than a single 680. as for any other performance issues, it could just be the drivers
May 23, 2012 10:33:00 PM

Well, there's some bad advice going on in here...

Reviews emphatically do NOT show that a 690 (or dual 680s) perform worse at 1920x1080 than a single card. That can happen with overkill dual GPU setups, but nothing indicates this to be the case with the 690.

Also, PCI-e 2.0 is not a bottleneck. At least, not a significant one. Running a 690 on PCI-e 2.0 x16 is similar to running 680 SLI on PCI-e 2.0 x8/x8, and there's nothing more than a 3-5% performance loss from doing that.



It's not like he's running on some old core 2 duo or something... the i7-930 is still a capable CPU; he may just need to OC it a bit.
a b Î Nvidia
May 23, 2012 11:20:03 PM

BigMack70 said:
Well, there's some bad advice going on in here...

Reviews emphatically do NOT show that a 690 (or dual 680s) perform worse at 1920x1080 than a single card. That can happen with overkill dual GPU setups, but nothing indicates this to be the case with the 690.

Also, PCI-e 2.0 is not a bottleneck. At least, not a significant one. Running a 690 on PCI-e 2.0 x16 is similar to running 680 SLI on PCI-e 2.0 x8/x8, and there's nothing more than a 3-5% performance loss from doing that.

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/Intel/Ivy_Bridge_PCI-Express_Scaling/images/perfrel.gif

It's not like he's running on some old core 2 duo or something... the i7-930 is still a capable CPU; he may just need to OC it a bit.


Just passing on some info I've gathered from places. I've read your advice many times and you know significantly more than me about this stuff. so OP, listen to BigMack lol :) 
May 23, 2012 11:31:11 PM

your advice is technically true just isn't as big a deal as one might think; I was more picking on babernet's advice, which I haven't seen any supporting evidence for
a b Î Nvidia
May 24, 2012 1:13:18 AM

Well, seeing as the OP is waiting for 2014, I guess he's skipping Sandybridge-e and hoping to upgrade to broadwell-e or whatever Intel decides to release then...

the i7 930 is a very capable chip. OP, I don't know if you've considered it, but if I were you I'd probably go water and OC it to 5.0GHz or so. the Corsair H100 should help you out if you're inexperienced. otherwise a custom water loop would be your best bet. you're running a very high end chip. might as well get the most out of it for it's remaining 2 years :p 

Oh, and a minor point, Barbernet do have a point about your system being way overkill for a single 1080p monitor... but to each their own, and the 690 is a really sweet looking card :sol: 
a b Î Nvidia
May 24, 2012 1:14:34 AM

@ Bigmack, where did you find your second lightning? I was looking online all over the place for it, but the closes I found was you "wailing" (:p ) here at Tom's for a second lighting haha
May 24, 2012 1:39:11 AM

I imported my second Lightning from Overclockers UK. They still have em in stock I believe... costs about $620 USD to get one shipped.

Great experience with that though... I ordered on Saturday and the card arrived Wednesday.

Honestly, the Lightning is a tough sell with the new Powercolor PCS+ card released. That's the 7970 I'd be recommending at this point, mainly because it's so much cheaper, has a higher stock clock, is roughly equal in terms of OC ability, and has dual link DVI connectors.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
a b Î Nvidia
May 24, 2012 4:07:56 AM

ahh yes, the PCS+, I've been eyeing that one since it showed up on tweaktown, didn't know it's already out. thanks!

@OP sorry to have hijacked your thread!
May 24, 2012 7:00:09 AM

Thanks for the replays! Just reeded it all.
For sure we can conclude there is something wrong. I know that the PCI 2.0 will BN a bit. I knew that the I7 930 COULD be a problem however not that much I would fall down under 60Fps.

Today I gonna test the following: Overclock I7 930 @3,9 again. Change PCI slot, change power cabels, Reinstall W7, Changing Chipset driver. If that doesn't seems to work AT any point, i'm blank.
So I'd rather RMA it, buying a 670 or getting my 5870 back.
No *** but this is a terrible experience with so many money spend on something that performance the same as a 560 card in Wow, and lesser than 670 SLI (Compared from my friends) Gonna write here which results I will get after I'm done got the entire day. so in a couple of hours I will post it.

Hope others will read this with the same system and really check up if they wanna get in to this, or just pick a 670 instead. Unless again we find a way. Busy.
May 24, 2012 8:27:41 AM

So here I got some data that could show us why it doesn't seems to work 100%

http://i47.tinypic.com/2h6rgk9.jpg

Keep in mind that data was taking under Crysis 2 with my I7 930 Overclocked at 4Ghz

EDIT: I had Dips then It was OC yes.
May 24, 2012 11:59:06 AM

graskar said:
So here I got some data that could show us why it doesn't seems to work 100%

http://i47.tinypic.com/2h6rgk9.jpg

Keep in mind that data was taking under Crysis 2 with my I7 930 Overclocked at 4Ghz

EDIT: I had Dips then It was OC yes.


What was your framerate during the time recorded in that screenshot? You're not at 99%/99% GPU usage, but if that's Crysis 2 then I'm guessing you either had vsync on or were hitting the 100fps cap perhaps?

Crysis 2 doesn't care too much what CPU you have, so I doubt you're seeing much of a CPU bottleneck there. BF3 multiplayer is the place where I would wonder if your CPU is bottlenecking, because BF3 mp is demanding on both the CPU and GPU.
May 24, 2012 12:03:56 PM

My FPS was maybe Avg. 54 Fps with Vsync. Was down on 40Fps, cant exact remember. Not much of a different..
May 24, 2012 12:16:36 PM

Yeah... that graph looks somewhat normal if you had vsync enabled.

Are you using adaptive vsync? Have you tried running the tests without vsync/adaptive vsync enabled?
a b Î Nvidia
May 24, 2012 2:59:08 PM

I agree that you should try disabling vsync or using adaptive vsync.

that said, I expected the graph to look like that with a benchmark like crysis 2 and the 690 running on pcie 2.0. your second GPU isn't at 99 or 98%, but 72% power drawn and 862MHz on the second GPU isn't that bad on a single monitor set up. you shouldn't need more to hit 60+fps

it seems to me something's keeping your back, and it's not the 690 itself...
a b Î Nvidia
May 24, 2012 3:02:18 PM

oh, and I'd like to suggest one more test to your lineup. plug your 690 into your friend's machine if he has a powerful enough PSU for it. it'll at least tell you whether your card's good or not pretty definatively
May 24, 2012 10:01:57 PM

Thanks for the replays!

Ok I got 60Fps in BF3 with 3.7Ghz on my I7 930 CPU
Still had 40Fps in Wow, but waaay better.
Diablo 3 was down on 40FPS! with Vsync and 3,7Ghz.. 0.o
Crysis2 on intensive scenes was down to 40 Fps with Vsync and ofc 3,7Ghz

So OC the Cpu diffently made that card run better, but still so LOW fps in Crysis, D3, Wow make me sad..

Don't think it's the PSU Vmem.
May 24, 2012 11:37:00 PM

My recommendation is to keep the CPU OC and see what happens when you disable vsync.

Also, you should try running 3dmark11 on the extreme preset if you can and see what score you get... should tell you a lot about if your GPU is performing normally or not.
a b Î Nvidia
May 25, 2012 1:32:22 AM

graskar said:

Don't think it's the PSU Vmem.


Sorry if I didn't make myself clear. your PSU is great, it's more than enough for the gtx 690. I meant if you wanted to try the card on your friend's rig to test it, make sure his PSU is up to the task :na: 
May 25, 2012 1:57:01 AM

i can play these games with a 570..... and i didnt have to spend a thousand dollars...
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