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July 17, 2012 1:36:12 AM

Approximate Purchase Date: e.g.: Around this week

Budget Range: 300 is what I want to spend, if really necessary, I'll spend a little more but no more than 350, this doesn't mean I'm asking for a 350$ build though.

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Games, surfing net

Are you buying a monitor: No

Parts to Upgrade: Building new computer from scratch

Do you need to buy OS: No

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Amazon(300$ to spend on here) Ebay or site that accepts paypal(50 bucks on here) site doesn't really matter, just whatever is cheaper.

Location: USA

Parts Preferences: AMD but whatver is cheaper

Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: Yes

Your Monitor Resolution: idk yet

Additional Comments: I made a thread about this before but then I needed more help because I changed a lot of my build. I already have a build, tell me if it's good or not and what I should change and what kind of games it could play. I plan on using this computer for now then crossfire with a new graphics card later when I get more money.

Processor and Graphics card: AMD A8-3870K APU: 85$
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006J420UE/ref=ox_sc_s...

DVD Drive: 14$
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006B7R9PU/ref=ox_sc_s...

Case w/ power supply: 60$
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003O2KEPC/ref=ox_sc_s...

8GB Ram: 39$
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004DHNAGM/ref=ox_sc_s...

Motherboard: ASRock MB-A75MHVS 65$

HDD: 31$
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B004FWF0YU/ref=d...

This totals up to about 300$, I was wondering if this motherboard could crossfire. Do you think this'll make a good gaming pc. I plan on getting a dedicated graphics card later to crossfire, what graphics card should I plan to get later?

What kind of games would this be able to run?
July 17, 2012 1:44:38 AM

it cant crossfire, but it can hybrid crossfire with a 6450, 6570, or a 6670 card. it basically connects the onboard GPU and the dedicated into one unit. gives you good gameplay but i wouldnt recommnd the A8 series just because trnity is coming out and that these chips are really low end. the trinity chips are much much better
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July 17, 2012 2:05:26 AM

TheBigTroll said:
it cant crossfire, but it can hybrid crossfire with a 6450, 6570, or a 6670 card. it basically connects the onboard GPU and the dedicated into one unit. gives you good gameplay but i wouldnt recommnd the A8 series just because trnity is coming out and that these chips are really low end. the trinity chips are much much better

So the trinity chips are better? How much better? And it hasn't come out yet? How much money would it cost, I can't wait for the trinity chips to come out though, also, the price of that apu is such a steal! Only 85$ for it.

Also what's a hybrid crossfire? What's a motherboard that is compatible with this apu and can crossfire?
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July 17, 2012 3:02:46 AM

I recommend that you drop the case with the PS for $6x.xx and get them separately...you will get a better quality PS that way. For about $42, you can get a Corsair CX500V2 PS. XFX Core Edition 450 watt Pro Series is around $45.

Look for a $25-$30 mid tower case....Coolmaster is known to make bang for the buck tower cases....look for the budget "Elite" series.

With the A8-38xx, you can asymmetric crossfire with it's integrated 6550D and a dedicated 6450/6570/6670...when combined (6670)...the performance becomes 6690D2 (close to 6770's performance in real world situations). 6670 is the max card for this type of crossfiring. Anything faster, you would be better off just running off that card.

Dave
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July 17, 2012 3:10:13 AM

DavidY said:
I recommend that you drop the case with the PS for $6x.xx and get them separately...you will get a better quality PS that way. For about $42, you can get a Corsair CX500V2 PS. XFX Core Edition 450 watt Pro Series is around $45.

Look for a $25-$30 mid tower case....Coolmaster is known to make bang for the buck tower cases....look for the budget "Elite" series.

With the A8-38xx, you can asymmetric crossfire with it's integrated 6550D and a dedicated 6450/6570/6670...when combined (6670)...the performance becomes 6690D2 (close to 6770's performance in real world situations). 6670 is the max card for this type of crossfiring. Anything faster, you would be better off just running off that card.

Dave

Thanks! Do you think a 40$ ps is really necessary? I'm trying to build a budget pc and I didn't want to spend too much on other stuff like case and ps, I wanted to spend more money on the cpu and important stuff. What's the most cheapest power supply that'll work with this pc? Thanks for the graphics card recomendation. What kind of games would this pc run right now and what kind of games if I crossfire the 6670 graphics card?
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July 17, 2012 3:28:00 AM

romeodakins said:
So the trinity chips are better? How much better? And it hasn't come out yet? How much money would it cost, I can't wait for the trinity chips to come out though, also, the price of that apu is such a steal! Only 85$ for it.

Also what's a hybrid crossfire? What's a motherboard that is compatible with this apu and can crossfire?



we currently have no idea how much they cost but they are much much better since they will be using the piledriver architecture which is a adancement of bulldozer. if you need the PC now, go a head and get it. if not, id wait
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July 17, 2012 3:28:18 AM

let me try. you can go low low low with that APU, even with a 6670, you won't need more than a 350W PSU.

I'm not seeing the $85 APU, so I went with Newegg's $108

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: AMD A8-3870K 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($108.00 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock A75M-HVS Micro ATX FM1 Motherboard ($69.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Pareema 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($21.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Toshiba 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill R101-P-BK MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($25.50 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec 350W ATX12V Power Supply ($27.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS90 DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $330.44
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
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July 17, 2012 3:29:54 AM

the trinity APUs will use a different socket called Fm2. it will not be compatable with current apu motherboards.


hybrid crossfire right now is basically crossfire with the onboard GPU and either a 6450, 6570, or 6670 graphics card that you plug it. you cannot hybrid crossfire anything else
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July 17, 2012 3:50:31 AM

Cheap PS here....personally, I would not go with less than 400 watt if it's a quality unit (80 Plus certified or better).

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6013/350450w-roundup-11-c...

A8-38xx's 6550D crossfired with 6670 will perform better than a 6670, but less than 6770....look at the benchmarks for both. If you keep the monitor's rez smaller than 1080p, these mid range cards will have faster fps. The following link compares various cards at different rezs for Diablo 3 at highest details, AA enabled...for slower cards like 6670, prefer 1280x1024 or maybe 1680x1050.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/diablo-iii-performa...

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July 17, 2012 4:33:41 AM

trinity will be faster...but also may not be out in desktop until december
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July 17, 2012 4:35:44 AM

romeodakins said:
how about this power supply http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0013FIO04/ref=ox_sc_a...
and then I get this case
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003O8J11E/ref=ox_sc_a...
with 10$ mail in rebate? So with these 2 changes added to my build up above, how well would this pc play? What games would it be able to play? And how well if I crossfire?
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case is fine. PSu is iffy (stick with Antec, Corair, XFX, and Seasonic)

the 6550D will play most games at low to medium settings at 1600x900 / 1650x1080 at 30-45 fps
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July 17, 2012 4:57:02 AM

ScrewySqrl said:
trinity will be faster...but also may not be out in desktop until december

How much will trinity cost? I don't think I can wait till december. And what if I set the resolution to 1080x1200 instead, will it run games like dirt 3 in medium-high?
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July 17, 2012 6:10:57 AM

romeodakins said:
How much will trinity cost? I don't think I can wait till december. And what if I set the resolution to 1080x1200 instead, will it run games like dirt 3 in medium-high?


You must mean 1980x1200? The more rez, the better/faster/$$$ graphics you will need to keep the fps up to a smooth, consistent manner (to most enthusiasts...60+ fps).

Personally, I wouldn't trust that Coolmax PS.....I have seen tests/reviews where Coolmax have over rated their PS by 100+ watts. Did you check out any of those 11 cheap PS? Besides some of those ones, the Corsair CX/Builder's series is the cheapest PS I would put in my system (if I was desperate).

Dave
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July 17, 2012 6:30:49 AM

DavidY said:
You must mean 1980x1200? The more rez, the better/faster/$$$ graphics you will need to keep the fps up to a smooth, consistent manner (to most enthusiasts...60+ fps).

Personally, I wouldn't trust that Coolmax PS.....I have seen tests/reviews where Coolmax have over rated their PS by 100+ watts. Did you check out any of those 11 cheap PS? Besides some of those ones, the Corsair CX/Builder's series is the cheapest PS I would put in my system (if I was desperate).

Dave

I actually ment a lower resolution, I forgot the numbers but it was like 1000x800 or something. And to be honest, I was too lazy to go through all 11 pages of power supplies :p  I'm looking through them right now.
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July 17, 2012 6:49:33 AM

1024x768? Yeah it will run most games at high settings.
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July 17, 2012 8:00:28 PM

DavidY said:
You must mean 1980x1200? The more rez, the better/faster/$$$ graphics you will need to keep the fps up to a smooth, consistent manner (to most enthusiasts...60+ fps).

Personally, I wouldn't trust that Coolmax PS.....I have seen tests/reviews where Coolmax have over rated their PS by 100+ watts. Did you check out any of those 11 cheap PS? Besides some of those ones, the Corsair CX/Builder's series is the cheapest PS I would put in my system (if I was desperate).

Dave

I'm looking through the list and most of the power supplies aren't on amazon and the ones that are are like 50 bucks. Are there any cheap power supplies that are around 30 bucks?
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July 17, 2012 8:05:15 PM

zooted said:
1024x768? Yeah it will run most games at high settings.

REALLY??? I'm planning to play online games like Vindictus or Continent of the Ninth. I might play dirt 3 or skyrim or something later. My main computer is a laptop right now and I'm used to playing on lowest graphics at like 400x800 res so 1024x768 with high graphics would be awesome!
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July 17, 2012 8:17:23 PM

Antec BP350: $29.99
ANtec EarthWatts 380W: $37.99
Corsair CX 430W: $44.99
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July 17, 2012 8:19:18 PM

romeodakins said:
I'm looking through the list and most of the power supplies aren't on amazon and the ones that are are like 50 bucks. Are there any cheap power supplies that are around 30 bucks?


This 400 watt PS is an Antec Neo Eco 400 (Seasonic) and is 80 Plus Certified. $30 at Newegg.com

http://pcpartpicker.com/part/antec-power-supply-neoeco4...

Dave
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July 17, 2012 8:27:08 PM

thats after a rebate....good luck on the rebate lotto
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July 17, 2012 9:00:44 PM

How much watts is necessary for my system? Is 350watts too low? I'm planning on doing that hybrid crossfire with the best graphics card thats able to hybrid crossfire. Would I need a higher watt power supply once I upgrade with a new graphics card?
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July 17, 2012 10:52:27 PM

Antec VP-350 is not 80 Plus certified....made by Delta. Personally, I wouldn't buy it if there are other choices.

If your mobo is this...the RAM is good: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-a75mhvs

eXtreme power supply calculator doesn't list the A8-3870K (only the A8-3850)....after making the necessary inputs and assumptions, I get a recommended power supply of 300 watts. Crossfiring between APU and 6670 was not an option. As a result, I would still get a MIN 400 watt PS...just cover the future HD 6670. Usually, there is a bit of over rating of the power supply by most brands....Corsair CX430V2 is advertised as a 430 watt...based on a 28 amp load capacity, it works out to only 336 watts.

The only cheaper 400+ watt PS that I can see is the 450 watt XFX Core Edition 450 Pro Series for $45 after $10 MIR. 34 amps or 408 watts.
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July 17, 2012 10:53:25 PM

the xfx unit is made by seasonic so no going wrong.
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July 17, 2012 11:29:40 PM

DavidY said:
Antec VP-350 is not 80 Plus certified....made by Delta. Personally, I wouldn't buy it if there are other choices.

If your mobo is this...the RAM is good: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-a75mhvs

eXtreme power supply calculator doesn't list the A8-3870K (only the A8-3850)....after making the necessary inputs and assumptions, I get a recommended power supply of 300 watts. Crossfiring between APU and 6670 was not an option. As a result, I would still get a MIN 400 watt PS...just cover the future HD 6670. Usually, there is a bit of over rating of the power supply by most brands....Corsair CX430V2 is advertised as a 430 watt...based on a 28 amp load capacity, it works out to only 336 watts.

The only cheaper 400+ watt PS that I can see is the 450 watt XFX Core Edition 450 Pro Series for $45 after $10 MIR. 34 amps or 408 watts.

I don't think I can afford a power supply 50 bucks, on amazon that ps is 50$
at above ScrewySqrl said antec brand was good brand. Also what if I get this 500w coolmax power supply http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0013FIO04/ref=ox_sc_a... and since you said they're overrated by 100watts theres still 400watts left.

Here's another ps, pretty good reviews, how about this one?
http://www.amazon.com/Rocketfish-RF-500WPS2-500-Watt-Po...

found another
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000H9KRY8/sr=8-8/qid=...
50 bucks for normal but 30 bucks like new used.
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July 17, 2012 11:33:29 PM

no thanks on the coolmax. never heard of it=usually low quality

if the rocketfish power supply is made by superflower id get it
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July 17, 2012 11:39:13 PM

TheBigTroll said:
no thanks on the coolmax. never heard of it=usually low quality

if the rocketfish power supply is made by superflower id get it

How do I find out who made it? And is the rocketfish compatible with my motherboard?
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July 17, 2012 11:42:52 PM

power supplies are standard across the industry. unless its a OEM model, it will work
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July 17, 2012 11:52:06 PM

dude stop looking around for cheapo psu s. cheap psu=good explosion or a system failure. pick up a xfx 450w or a seasonic m12II 520w if you dont want to be burned in the future
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July 18, 2012 12:08:46 AM

What's wrong with that 400 watt Antec Neo Eco 400 (Seasonic) for $29 after MIR? Isn't Newegg a legit company? I have never bought anything from Newegg.ca.

Dave
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July 18, 2012 12:11:36 AM

TheBigTroll said:
dude stop looking around for cheapo psu s. cheap psu=good explosion or a system failure. pick up a xfx 450w or a seasonic m12II 520w if you dont want to be burned in the future

I don't have enough for a psu thats 50 bucks. I'm only 15, I don't have a job or anything, I have 350 bucks which is my life savings.

I think I'll either get this one
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004IZN3K2/ref=ox_sc_s...

or the rocketfish, the reviews are very good.
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July 18, 2012 12:15:59 AM

DavidY said:
What's wrong with that 400 watt Antec Neo Eco 400 (Seasonic) for $29 after MIR? Isn't Newegg a legit company? I have never bought anything from Newegg.ca.

Dave

You mean this?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I doesn't have mir but it has the 20 dollar promo code making the ps 30 bucks.
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July 18, 2012 1:18:48 AM

that unit seems legit. get it


why the hell are there so many 14 and 15 year olds loitering around the site. im one myself.
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July 18, 2012 6:47:43 PM

Thanks for the help guys, I have one more question, I'm gonna be using this case
http://www.thermaltake.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_000...
Do I need to buy more fans? This case only comes with 1 fan on the back.

Btw, which case is the best in quality and best looking?

Thermaltake Commander MS-I(which color)
http://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-Commander-VN400A1W2N-...

http://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-Commander-Edition-VN4...

http://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-Commander-Edition-VN4...

Or

Raidmax Case ATX-248NWB
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006L0MJU2/ref=ox_sc_a...

Or

Thermaltake V3 Black AMD Edition
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007BDJ5SM/ref=ox_sc_a...

Or recommend a different case for 50 bucks or less on amazon.

I'm just looking for the best looking case but the case also has to be good quality and has enough space for the components.
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July 18, 2012 7:41:00 PM

I'm kinda crazy, but I like my Rosewill 102 case. Cases are very subjective -- pick one you like, that you can afford, and run with it.

You probly don't need to max out your fans, but I'd buy additional fans if needed to be sure you have a 120mm intake fan up front, and a 120mm exhaust fan in the back.
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July 18, 2012 9:59:25 PM

Since you are a budget, look at the Cooler Master Elite series, Rosewill or Zalman...typically start in the $30-$40 range. You would be better off getting a cheaper, but decent build quality like one of these and spend the difference on a better quality power supply. Without a quality PS, your computer won't run at all...but will still look pretty. I'm more of a function first, looks second kinda guy (for computers at least).

Dave
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July 18, 2012 11:00:31 PM

rosewell challenger from what i heard was a great case
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July 19, 2012 2:25:03 AM

the Rosewill R101 is on sale for $25.50 shipped right now, its micro atx only, and a bit tight -- 9.1" video cards max -- but there are plenty of good cards, right up to the 7850, that will fit there. its solid, all metal construction (0.8mm steel), and simple. but the 120mm fan is 1/3 of the interior height of the case, meaning its great for cooling. add a single 120mm blue or red LED fan in front, and you have an understated case. Its wide enough to take 120mm heat inks like the Hyper 212 as well.

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July 19, 2012 3:02:55 AM

ScrewySqrl said:
the Rosewill R101 is on sale for $25.50 shipped right now, its micro atx only, and a bit tight -- 9.1" video cards max -- but there are plenty of good cards, right up to the 7850, that will fit there. its solid, all metal construction (0.8mm steel), and simple. but the 120mm fan is 1/3 of the interior height of the case, meaning its great for cooling. add a single 120mm blue or red LED fan in front, and you have an understated case. Its wide enough to take 120mm heat inks like the Hyper 212 as well.

Thanks but I don't really like that case, it looks ugly :p  I like the cases I picked, which one do you think is best from the ones I picked? When I finished my build, I had a few extra dollars, I might as well use it on the case.
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July 19, 2012 6:36:08 AM


The Xion case looks pretty cool! Did you recommend it because of how it looks or was it because of how much space it has inside and what fans fit and stuff like that?

Also, which thermaltake were you talking about? The V3 or the commander? If commander, which color?

Here's another nice case with good reviews, http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002OEBILK/sr=8-33/qid... This or thermaltake commander or thermaltake v3?
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July 19, 2012 11:21:04 AM

generally I was going for similar looks to your other cases. the NZXT case is ok..but comes wth no fans ;) 

I'd pick the commander of those three, of whichever color you like
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July 19, 2012 7:30:55 PM

ScrewySqrl said:
generally I was going for similar looks to your other cases. the NZXT case is ok..but comes wth no fans ;) 

I'd pick the commander of those three, of whichever color you like

Thanks! How much fans are recommended? The commander comes with only 1 rear fan.
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July 19, 2012 7:44:47 PM

at least one fan in the front as an intake. but up to the maximum as your budget allows
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July 19, 2012 8:01:41 PM

ScrewySqrl said:
at least one fan in the front as an intake. but up to the maximum as your budget allows

Ok so the 1 fan the commander comes with is good enough. Also, you said the nzxt case comes with no fans
http://www.amazon.com/Classic-Series-interior-chassis-M...

The first review says it comes with 2 fans.
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July 19, 2012 8:09:27 PM

You want one intake in the front, one exhaust in the back.

After that, add them as you see fit
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July 19, 2012 8:47:22 PM

ScrewySqrl said:
You want one intake in the front, one exhaust in the back.

After that, add them as you see fit

Do I need the front fan? The nzxt case comes with fan on back and side fan, what if I take out the side fan and put it on the front?
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