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May 25, 2012 10:31:42 PM

Hello Guys,

I had purchased the Palit GTX 580 used one from a guy but the guy later turned his back saying that he did not have the box. He had also claimed that he had a factory overclocked card but when I installed it I got to know that it was a stock card (no accessories given by him as well). Now I am returning the card back to him as a refund.

Now my question is I have got two more deals for a new Sapphire HD 7870 OC 2GB and the other is a used Asus DCII GTX 580 (1 year used, 2 more year warranty available) for the same price. No difference in price. I dont care about power consumption.

Now just tell me which one do you think would be better a new 7870 or a used 580. I game at only 1080p single screen.

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May 25, 2012 11:24:36 PM

kulmnar said:
Get the new 7870. A 7870 is the same as a gtx 580 in performance except that it produces less heat. Plus, the 7870 is new whereas the 580 you want to buy is used. Source: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7870-revi...



I can get the Asus GTX 580 for $50 cheaper. Now do you still suggest going with the Sapphire 7870
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May 25, 2012 11:31:22 PM

well different fanboys will say different things they will hunt endless to find benchmarks that favor their choice and of course they will find them i however won't get baited into this so to put it simple if you don't care about power consumption and it's going to be 50 dollars cheaper . i would go with the Asus DCII GTX 580 it a straight beast of a GPU ;) 
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a b U Graphics card
May 25, 2012 11:36:43 PM

Everyone has their opinions. mine is however driver related.

Get the gtx580.

Both have had bad runs with drivers, i will admit that. But thus far, Nvidia have better drivers at the moment.

Amd are up to driver version 12.4, and a lot of people are rolling back to older versions because of poor performance in some games.

Do some research first in the games you play. google driver related questions from either company and the games you want to play before dumping money in a product you may have to troubleshoot/workaround for.
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May 25, 2012 11:37:52 PM

bigcyco1 said:
well different fanboys will say different things they will hunt endless to find benchmarks that favor their choice and of course they will find them i however won't get baited into this so to put it simple if you don't care about power consumption and it's going to be 50 dollars cheaper . i would go with the Asus DCII GTX 580 it a straight beast of a GPU ;) 



U know its a used GTX 580 right? I mean its been used for a year but two more years of warranty is still available.
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May 25, 2012 11:47:46 PM

It depends on what you use your gfx card for. I have invested in a 7970 for two reasons. The first is it is a relatively good gaming gfx card, although I admit that it isn't probably as good as nvidia 680, but secondly it is great for opencl which I will use for rendering purposes and other stuff in the "long term".

If you have the money and are soley a gamer then go for an nvidia card. If you want your gfx card for mulitple purposes like rendering /opencl and gaming then go for amd card.
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May 25, 2012 11:53:00 PM

Kippa said:
It depends on what you use your gfx card for. I have invested in a 7970 for two reasons. The first is it is a relatively good gaming gfx card, although I admit that it isn't probably as good as nvidia 680, but secondly it is great for opencl which I will use for rendering purposes and other stuff in the "long term".

If you have the money and are soley a gamer then go for an nvidia card. If you want your gfx card for mulitple purposes like rendering /opencl and gaming then go for amd card.



But is it a good deal. Its only $50 cheaper than the new HD 7870 Sapphire an that too a used one? I am purely a gamer. No other stuff.
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May 26, 2012 12:37:15 AM

irfan88 said:
U know its a used GTX 580 right? I mean its been used for a year but two more years of warranty is still available.
Yes i am aware you mentioned it used however isn't the 7870 used as well if the answer is yes and you can get the 580 50 dollars cheaper my answer remains the same ;) 
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May 26, 2012 12:42:28 AM

bigcyco1 said:
Yes i am aware you mentioned it used however isn't the 7870 used as well if the answer is yes and you can get the 580 50 dollars cheaper my answer remains the same ;) 


the 7870 is a new one and not used. Only the Asus GTX 580 is a used one.
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May 26, 2012 12:52:39 AM

irfan88 said:
the 7870 is a new one and not used. Only the Asus GTX 580 is a used one.
Then get the 7870 both are very powerful GPU so either way you can't lose there really no good answer either will do but i personally like gpu made by asus and msi better so i would chose the 580 but it's your choice not mine :) 
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May 26, 2012 1:05:49 AM

Wow lots of bad advice in here, get the 7870 its new tech always buy new tech. The 7870 can overclock like a beast its also on a 28nm process.
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May 26, 2012 1:11:13 AM

redeemer said:
Wow lots of bad advice in here, get the 7870 its new tech always buy new tech. The 7870 can overclock like a beast its also on a 28nm process.


I now I can overclock both of the cards. say if I overclock GTX 580 to 850 Mhz and the 7870 to 1200Mhz, which of these would be faster at 1080p?
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May 26, 2012 1:15:11 AM

I suppose if you don't pay for you power, it doesn't matter, but just for edification:

The 7870 saves you 180 watts at load over the 580, and 20 at idle.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7850_HD_7870/...

My computer is probably on about 80 hours a week (~12/day), , and I game for about 15 of those. Electricity is $0.07 / kwh where i live, which I believe is below the national average in the U.S..

At that usage, the 7870 would save me $14.50 a year over the 580. That might not seem like much, but cost-to-own is part of what the video card will cost you, in addition to the purchase price. I would add $14.50 into the cost of the 580 for every year I planned on keeping it.
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May 26, 2012 1:17:10 AM

7870 all the way
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May 26, 2012 1:29:48 AM

quilciri said:
I suppose if you don't pay for you power, it doesn't matter, but just for edification:

The 7870 saves you 180 watts at load over the 580, and 20 at idle.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7850_HD_7870/...

My computer is probably on about 80 hours a week (~12/day), , and I game for about 15 of those. Electricity is $0.07 / kwh where i live, which I believe is below the national average in the U.S..

At that usage, the 7870 would save me $14.50 a year over the 580. That might not seem like much, but cost-to-own is part of what the video card will cost you, in addition to the purchase price. I would add $14.50 into the cost of the 580 for every year I planned on keeping it.


I told you guys earlier, I am not worried about the power consumption. Pure performance is what I am looking at. So if I overclock both of those cards then which one would be faster?
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May 26, 2012 1:52:43 AM

Did you tell us how much for the GTX580???
-Bruce
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May 26, 2012 1:54:54 AM

To bad a stock 580 with mild overclock can not be caught by a 7870 unless there is a heavy overclock (lots of work) but the asus dcu is a much better buy at 50 less than the 7870 way better buy actualy even used. As for the stock card you have now if you can not get back your money who cars it is still a better gaming card despite the extra power
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May 26, 2012 1:59:09 AM

spentshells said:
To bad a stock 580 with mild overclock can not be caught by a 7870 unless there is a heavy overclock (lots of work) but the asus dcu is a much better buy at 50 less than the 7870 way better buy actualy even used. As for the stock card you have now if you can not get back your money who cars it is still a better gaming card despite the extra power


The stock card that I have now did not come with a box. The seller did not give me the box and the card is from Palit. So I am a little concerned if I will be covered by the warranty if I do not have the box and the service from Palit as well. I can get the Asus card for a lesser price than this one.
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May 26, 2012 2:06:55 AM

spentshells said:
To bad a stock 580 with mild overclock can not be caught by a 7870 unless there is a heavy overclock (lots of work) but the asus dcu is a much better buy at 50 less than the 7870 way better buy actualy even used. As for the stock card you have now if you can not get back your money who cars it is still a better gaming card despite the extra power
+1 :lol: 
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May 26, 2012 2:55:27 AM

For the warranty, you usually need to register the card and I don't think you can transfer the warranty.

I know that other companies have this option.

Anyway my vote is for the new 7870.
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a c 620 U Graphics card
May 26, 2012 3:23:21 AM

The 580 is a higher performing card overall, closer to a 7950 in performance. The Asus Direct CU II has custom PCB design, upgraded components, and a really good cooler.

If you check around at various threads regarding drivers, Nvidia really hit a home run with its latest 301.42 WHQL drivers, which are a big leap for providing smooth gaming. You also get the added bonuses of PhysX, Adaptive VSync, and FXAA. The Asus GTX 580 Direct Cu II is a really good choice that will be a very quiet and cool card with great overclocking capability.
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May 26, 2012 3:36:43 AM

17seconds said:
The 580 is a higher performing card overall, closer to a 7950 in performance. The Asus Direct CU II has custom PCB design, upgraded components, and a really good cooler.

If you check around at various threads regarding drivers, Nvidia really hit a home run with its latest 301.42 WHQL drivers, which are a big leap for providing smooth gaming. You also get the added bonuses of PhysX, Adaptive VSync, and FXAA. The Asus GTX 580 Direct Cu II is a really good choice that will be a very quiet and cool card with great overclocking capability.


Do you mean that the newer drivers implement Adaptive VSync on GTX 580 as well. I have the Palit GTX 580 stock card without box but I have the bill (5 months used). 2.5 years of warranty is still available. I would like to know if the warranty would be available even without the box.
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May 26, 2012 4:04:41 AM

Do you mean that the newer drivers implement Adaptive VSync on GTX 580 as well. I have the Palit GTX 580 stock card without box but I have the bill (5 months used). 2.5 years of warranty is still available. I would like to know if the warranty would be available even without the box.
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May 26, 2012 7:00:43 AM

17seconds said:
The 580 is a higher performing card overall, closer to a 7950 in performance. The Asus Direct CU II has custom PCB design, upgraded components, and a really good cooler.

If you check around at various threads regarding drivers, Nvidia really hit a home run with its latest 301.42 WHQL drivers, which are a big leap for providing smooth gaming. You also get the added bonuses of PhysX, Adaptive VSync, and FXAA. The Asus GTX 580 Direct Cu II is a really good choice that will be a very quiet and cool card with great overclocking capability.


I actually opted out for a refund for the stock palit 580. I am getting the Asus DCII GTX 580 now for about $50 cheaper than what I paid for the palit 580. What do you guys think?
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May 26, 2012 9:14:44 AM

Do you plan to overclock your card?
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May 26, 2012 9:26:46 AM

7870 is very good at OCing i'd recommend get the new 7870 instead of a used gtx 580
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May 26, 2012 10:52:29 AM

quilciri said:
Do you plan to overclock your card?


Yes I obviously plan to overclock the card. Not by much, a mild overclock about a 100 to 150Mhz maybe.
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May 26, 2012 4:33:36 PM

Specially since the GTX 580 is used I would recommend the 7870, it trades blows with the 580.The Asus DCII 580 is deactivated, but If you look at reviews on newegg there's a few negative reviews regarding artifacting after a few months to a year of use since it's been used for a year I would steer clear of it you just never know how the previous owner treated it. I personally don't like buying used electronics but that's just my opinion.
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May 26, 2012 5:18:34 PM

irfan88 said:
I actually opted out for a refund for the stock palit 580. I am getting the Asus DCII GTX 580 now for about $50 cheaper than what I paid for the palit 580. What do you guys think?

I obviously think its a great idea. As a GTX 580 owner, of course they are great cards that will do anything you want it to do in any game. In addition to performance, you can't ignore the added benefits that come with an Nvidia card like PhysX, solid driver support, and the additional driver features like Adaptive VSync.

Here's a review of Adaptive VSync:
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/04/16/nvidia_adapti...
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May 26, 2012 10:36:41 PM

17seconds said:
I obviously think its a great idea. As a GTX 580 owner, of course they are great cards that will do anything you want it to do in any game. In addition to performance, you can't ignore the added benefits that come with an Nvidia card like PhysX, solid driver support, and the additional driver features like Adaptive VSync.

Here's a review of Adaptive VSync:
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/04/16/nvidia_adapti...


Hey, the Asus card still has 2 year warranty left. Will I be covered under the warranty if I overclock the Asus DCII graphics card ( I mean the cards are made for overclocking right). So I think that the warranty should cover it?
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May 27, 2012 12:00:08 AM

I bricked an ASUS 8800 gt overclocking it. they replaced it no questions asked.
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May 27, 2012 12:18:08 AM

quilciri said:
I bricked an ASUS 8800 gt overclocking it. they replaced it no questions asked.



But if something happens to the 580, how are they gonna replace it. I mean the 580 production has been stopped. Right?
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May 27, 2012 12:26:34 AM

irfan88 said:
But if something happens to the 580, how are they gonna replace it. I mean the 580 production has been stopped. Right?

Usually those things work out in your favor. If they don't have a GTX 580 DCUII available, then I would expect you would get a GTX 670 (unless the 660 has been released by then).
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May 27, 2012 12:30:22 AM

17seconds said:
Usually those things work out in your favor. If they don't have a GTX 580 DCUII available, then I would expect you would get a GTX 670 (unless the 660 has been released by then).


Well that is good news then. But how about the warranty. Considering that I am the second owner and two years of warranty is still left on the card. How do I claim the warranty ? Is the warranty transferable or should I register it on their website
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May 27, 2012 2:04:06 AM

17seconds said:
Here's the warranty. I would see if you are able to get a copy of the original sales receipt from the previous owner.
http://support.asus.com/warranty.aspx?SLanguage=en&p=9&... Series&os=30&hashedid=7M4ZmmyCUC2E1mve


Yes, the seller is giving me the original sales receipt along with the box.
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May 27, 2012 2:09:40 AM

irfan88 said:
Yes, the seller is giving me the original sales receipt along with the box.

You'll be fine then. I had to return an Asus GTX 480 and I don't recall having any trouble. I actually live not far from the RMA warehouse, so I dropped it off in person and picked up the replacement a couple days later.... Which was a brand new card in the full retail box.

With my GTX 580, I was all ready to get one of the new 680's, but the performance jump just wasn't enough to justify the cost and hassle. I play at mostly stock speeds and never have to turn down any game settings. I just know you are going to get some good overclocking in with that DirectCU cooler, so you're going to be very happy with the performance.
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May 27, 2012 2:23:12 AM

17seconds said:
You'll be fine then. I had to return an Asus GTX 480 and I don't recall having any trouble. I actually live not far from the RMA warehouse, so I dropped it off in person and picked up the replacement a couple days later.... Which was a brand new card in the full retail box.

With my GTX 580, I was all ready to get one of the new 680's, but the performance jump just wasn't enough to justify the cost and hassle. I play at mostly stock speeds and never have to turn down any game settings. I just know you are going to get some good overclocking in with that DirectCU cooler, so you're going to be very happy with the performance.


Thank you for your help mate. I will go get the 580 then.
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May 27, 2012 2:23:44 AM

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May 27, 2012 6:25:18 PM

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