my guildies think I'm crazy

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Someone in my guild was all cheerful because she finally made it to 60.
I said 'I hope I never get to 60' and they were all like 'hmm?'
Thing is, as I explained them later, I play these games to see what new
cool power/spell I get when I level, and by reaching max level, it's
pretty much game over for me, at least with that character. I am
definitely not into PvP, and doing an instance run for the 10th time to
get robes +10 to substitute the robes +9 I already have is also not my
cup of tea.
They said 'man you should get another game' and I said 'why, I'm
enjoying this a lot'. For some reason, they couldn't grasp the concept
of someone enjoying a game while he was reaching max level, instead of
after he got there.
They also said "man, then you'll only play this game for a few more
weeks" but I explained I have 4 other characters that I play and grow
at the same rate, so they're all about the same level (my highest is 24
or 25, and I've had the game for some 3 months already). So in a way,
the game has 300 levels for me to go through (60 times 5 characters).
And by the time I get there, I'm pretty sure an expansion has been
released that adds say 10 more levels, which to me it means 50 more
levels.
To say it in a few words, they were all boggled at this type of game
enjoyment instead of the usual 'lets go to the uber dungeon again for
the 10th time to see if we get the uber stuff' or 'lets raid crossroads
for the 100th time this week'.
Am I really crazy?

 

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Some people are casual gamers. Some people are hardcore gamers. Some
people are in between the two.

I hate constantly starting new characters. For me, the fun is in partying
and teamwork in raid instances. Even if it's done over and over again.
It's fun.


"wolfing" <wolfing1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Someone in my guild was all cheerful because she finally made it to 60.
> I said 'I hope I never get to 60' and they were all like 'hmm?'
> Thing is, as I explained them later, I play these games to see what new
> cool power/spell I get when I level, and by reaching max level, it's
> pretty much game over for me, at least with that character. I am
> definitely not into PvP, and doing an instance run for the 10th time to
> get robes +10 to substitute the robes +9 I already have is also not my
> cup of tea.
> They said 'man you should get another game' and I said 'why, I'm
> enjoying this a lot'. For some reason, they couldn't grasp the concept
> of someone enjoying a game while he was reaching max level, instead of
> after he got there.
> They also said "man, then you'll only play this game for a few more
> weeks" but I explained I have 4 other characters that I play and grow
> at the same rate, so they're all about the same level (my highest is 24
> or 25, and I've had the game for some 3 months already). So in a way,
> the game has 300 levels for me to go through (60 times 5 characters).
> And by the time I get there, I'm pretty sure an expansion has been
> released that adds say 10 more levels, which to me it means 50 more
> levels.
> To say it in a few words, they were all boggled at this type of game
> enjoyment instead of the usual 'lets go to the uber dungeon again for
> the 10th time to see if we get the uber stuff' or 'lets raid crossroads
> for the 100th time this week'.
> Am I really crazy?
>

 

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wolfing wrote:
> Someone in my guild was all cheerful because she finally made it to 60.
> I said 'I hope I never get to 60' and they were all like 'hmm?'
> Thing is, as I explained them later, I play these games to see what new
> cool power/spell I get when I level, and by reaching max level, it's
> pretty much game over for me, at least with that character.

I am the same way. I'm currently focusing on just my Alliance Rogue
and Warlock characters with a goal to get them to 60 by questing- just
to see what all they can do at that point, and then immediately start
anew with the Horde characters I've got planned.

Another poster mentioned the difference between casual and hardcore
gamers. To me, though, 'casual gamer' just means someone who doesn't
play games all that often. So, by definition I'm a casual gamer
because I only play 15 hours a week max... but that's only because I
literally only HAVE 15 hours a week to play games. If not for work and
family I'd be hardcore all the way- in terms of hours played at least-
but that wouldn't change my attitude about the game.

The more significant difference to me, wolfing, is that different
gamers have different goals. Richard Bartle (one of the innovators of
MUDs) wrote a taxonomy of MUD players which pretty much maps to all
MMOGs. You can find his paper here:

http://www.brandeis.edu/pubs/jove/HTML/v1/bartle.html

Your friends who think that playing at level 60 is the only way to play
are mostly 'Achievers.' The things that matter to them are having the
best gear and highest status in the game. You on the other hand, (and
I as well) are more of an 'Explorer.' You're interested in discovering
what the game has to offer, whether it be new abilities, new
landscapes, or new foes.

I constantly see people of these two different camps bickering as if
one way of playing is better than the other when the simple fact is
that different players get different things out of the game, and that
as far as I can tell, WoW is able to cater to all of them pretty well.

The only time the difference creates a problem for me is with guilds.
I've been in guilds that fell apart because many of the original
members reached 60 and then broke off to join elite guilds. And I'm in
another that's shedding its lower, less active players so it can become
an elite guild. I'm level 37 and I'm always the lowest-level person
logged in at any time, whereas when I was first recruited, we took
anyone over level 13.

 

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I completely understand your point of view. I have a lvl 60 warrior that
reached max lvl about a month or more ago. I wasn't immediately frustrated
with this, and went into the hunt for my valor armor set with blind
enthusiasm. I have actually kept a log of how many attempts with each
instance I have made, just to see how hard it really is to get these items.
I don't have the chart in front of me, but if memory serves I've done each
of the instances the following # of times: Baron Stratholme, 29x;
Scholomance, 21x; LBRS 37x; UBRS 7x; BRD (for Onxyia key quest steps) 12x.
How many Valor set items do I have? 4. FOUR!!! Sure, I've made uber money
and gotten a lot of really good non-set items in the process, but holy crud.
I even did molten core 3 or 4 times now.

So, about 2 weeks ago I decided to roll an alt and chose something as far
from my warrior, yet still within my personal realm of enjoyability - a
night elf druid. It was like the game came back from the dead for me. I
have lvld up to 26 with the druid now, with maybe 2 days played time under
my belt.

The beauty of it is that now when I get frustrated with my lvl 60's tedium,
I go play my druid for an hour or two, and when I return to my warrior it is
still enjoyable. I'm still not looking forward to going through scholomance
another 20x to get my valor helm, or who knows how many runs through LBRS to
get 2 more gems for the UBRS key. And then 50x in UBRS to get 2 more valor
set items....... ugh. BUT, now I have options, which is a very nice
aspect of WoW.

Mike

 

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"wolfing" <wolfing1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Someone in my guild was all cheerful because she finally made it to
> 60. I said 'I hope I never get to 60' and they were all like 'hmm?'
> Thing is, as I explained them later, I play these games to see what
> new cool power/spell I get when I level, and by reaching max level,
> it's pretty much game over for me, at least with that character. I am
> definitely not into PvP, and doing an instance run for the 10th time
> to get robes +10 to substitute the robes +9 I already have is also
> not my cup of tea.
> They said 'man you should get another game' and I said 'why, I'm
> enjoying this a lot'. For some reason, they couldn't grasp the
> concept of someone enjoying a game while he was reaching max level,
> instead of after he got there.
> They also said "man, then you'll only play this game for a few more
> weeks" but I explained I have 4 other characters that I play and grow
> at the same rate, so they're all about the same level (my highest is
> 24 or 25, and I've had the game for some 3 months already). So in a
> way, the game has 300 levels for me to go through (60 times 5
> characters). And by the time I get there, I'm pretty sure an
> expansion has been released that adds say 10 more levels, which to me
> it means 50 more levels.
> To say it in a few words, they were all boggled at this type of game
> enjoyment instead of the usual 'lets go to the uber dungeon again for
> the 10th time to see if we get the uber stuff' or 'lets raid
> crossroads for the 100th time this week'.
> Am I really crazy?

Play how you likeT

--
Moif of Bloodhoof <The Suffering>
http://www.wowrankings.com/viewb.htm?id=27138

 

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"wolfing" <wolfing1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Someone in my guild was all cheerful because she finally made it to 60.
> I said 'I hope I never get to 60' and they were all like 'hmm?'

Absolutely nothing wrong with not wanting to play the "end game", which bliz
hasn't made much of except for PvP. I'm trying to level my main up to 60 right
now just to see what I can do at that level, maybe play a bit of PvP...but I'm
pretty sure I'll get bored of it and roll an alt or two to play with.

 

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wolfing wrote:
> Someone in my guild was all cheerful because she finally made it to 60.
> I said 'I hope I never get to 60' and they were all like 'hmm?'
> Thing is, as I explained them later, I play these games to see what new
> cool power/spell I get when I level, and by reaching max level, it's
> pretty much game over for me, at least with that character. I am
> definitely not into PvP, and doing an instance run for the 10th time to
> get robes +10 to substitute the robes +9 I already have is also not my
> cup of tea.
> They said 'man you should get another game' and I said 'why, I'm
> enjoying this a lot'. For some reason, they couldn't grasp the concept
> of someone enjoying a game while he was reaching max level, instead of
> after he got there.
> They also said "man, then you'll only play this game for a few more
> weeks" but I explained I have 4 other characters that I play and grow
> at the same rate, so they're all about the same level (my highest is 24
> or 25, and I've had the game for some 3 months already). So in a way,
> the game has 300 levels for me to go through (60 times 5 characters).
> And by the time I get there, I'm pretty sure an expansion has been
> released that adds say 10 more levels, which to me it means 50 more
> levels.
> To say it in a few words, they were all boggled at this type of game
> enjoyment instead of the usual 'lets go to the uber dungeon again for
> the 10th time to see if we get the uber stuff' or 'lets raid crossroads
> for the 100th time this week'.
> Am I really crazy?

Of course you're not crazy. You're having fun, aren't you?

Some people like raiding instances over and over to get that uber loot.
It bores me silly. Some people don't mind the inevitable stupid
bickering you run into in raiding. It just irritates me. Why wouldd I
want to be bored and irritated? So I rarely go on raids with my level 60
mage, and when I do, it's usually because someone I know and like has
asked me to.

I am a fiction writer, though, and a veteran D&D player, with a long
history of creating characters, dungeons, and even rules. So I love the
two roleplaying guilds I'm in, and I spend a lot of my playtime working
on characters for those, and on creating the collective fiction that we
members are enjoying. And I love a good team working on a hard problem,
so I like to go to Warsong Gulch and try to get into a good team. One
twenty-minute game of WG with a good team is better in my mind than any
number of successful epic loot raids.

Play the way you like to play. If your guild interferes with your fun,
it's time to find a new guild.

 

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"wolfing" <wolfing1@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Am I really crazy?

You may be, but your preference in play style doesn't have anything to
do with it

--
Exodus 22:18 can kiss my pagan ass
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I completely understand and agree with you style of play, which is quite the
same as mine. And also, as moif said, play how you like it, don't mind
the others
Having fun as you wish is priority IMO )

--

"Know who you are, Be what you know"
--LordSpike

"wolfing" <wolfing1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Someone in my guild was all cheerful because she finally made it to 60.
> I said 'I hope I never get to 60' and they were all like 'hmm?'
> Thing is, as I explained them later, I play these games to see what new
> cool power/spell I get when I level, and by reaching max level, it's
> pretty much game over for me, at least with that character. I am
> definitely not into PvP, and doing an instance run for the 10th time to
> get robes +10 to substitute the robes +9 I already have is also not my
> cup of tea.
> They said 'man you should get another game' and I said 'why, I'm
> enjoying this a lot'. For some reason, they couldn't grasp the concept
> of someone enjoying a game while he was reaching max level, instead of
> after he got there.
> They also said "man, then you'll only play this game for a few more
> weeks" but I explained I have 4 other characters that I play and grow
> at the same rate, so they're all about the same level (my highest is 24
> or 25, and I've had the game for some 3 months already). So in a way,
> the game has 300 levels for me to go through (60 times 5 characters).
> And by the time I get there, I'm pretty sure an expansion has been
> released that adds say 10 more levels, which to me it means 50 more
> levels.
> To say it in a few words, they were all boggled at this type of game
> enjoyment instead of the usual 'lets go to the uber dungeon again for
> the 10th time to see if we get the uber stuff' or 'lets raid crossroads
> for the 100th time this week'.
> Am I really crazy?
>

 

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wolfing wrote:
> Someone in my guild was all cheerful because she finally made it to
> 60. I said 'I hope I never get to 60' and they were all like 'hmm?'

<snip!>

> To say it in a few words, they were all boggled at this type of game
> enjoyment instead of the usual 'lets go to the uber dungeon again for
> the 10th time to see if we get the uber stuff' or 'lets raid
> crossroads for the 100th time this week'. Am I really crazy?

I don't think you're crazy, but I think there are player styles other
than "obsessed magic find runner" which can still have a lot more fun at
level 60 than previously.

While I love getting new skills and powers, realistically, I don't
remember getting any since about level 30. Ever since, it's just been
new ranks of the old skills. Oh, and talents, of course, but I've
respecced my talents a couple of times since hitting level 60, and that
was a lot more exciting than any individual talent point I gained while
levelling up.

I love feeling free to go wherever I want and do whatever I want without
feeling like I'm lagging behind. Never having to care about logging off
in an inn. Hitting Molten Core in the afternoon (OK I've only been there
once and it went pretty badly) and then high-speed slaughtering in the
Stockades in the evening to rustle up some greens for my alts. Farming
in Azshara, or hunting other farmers in Azshara. The Alterac Valley
battleground, which imho you have to be level 60 to really enjoy.
Helping out guildmates with lower level quests without feeling that I
should be doing my OWN quests.

And yes, there are a lot of people who have the totally jaded "rush
through the uber instance again hoping for my set pants to drop"
attitude, but trust me, it takes a LONG time to get there. I've been 60
for quite a while now, but I've still only been to Stratholme three
times (haven't seen all of it), haven't done anything in Dire Maul
except help a guildie farm Guard Mol'dar, and have NEVER yet been to
Scholomance or Blackrock Spire. I still have quests to do in Blackrock
Depths!

I guess, my point is, don't worry about hitting level 60. You sound like
the sort of person who is more than capable of having fun PLAYING the
game rather than chasing the numbers, and I'm confident that you'll find
plenty of new opportunities to do that once you've maxed out your level.

Cheers!
David...

 

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On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:53:46 +1000, David Carson
<david@eldergothSPAMTRAP.com> wrote:

>And yes, there are a lot of people who have the totally jaded "rush
>through the uber instance again hoping for my set pants to drop"
>attitude, but trust me, it takes a LONG time to get there.

Naa, some are born with that attitude

I would say that those that don't care for that kind of play tend to
stop playing the game, before they begin that kind of instance
farming.

Then again, some of us just think it is fun to go on instance runs

>I've been 60
>for quite a while now, but I've still only been to Stratholme three
>times (haven't seen all of it)

Go do it some more, it is a fun place - ok, my priest bias may be
shining through here - Strata and Scholo are places where priests get
to do more than be simple healbots due to Shackle Undead.

Plus Strata (undead side) is a very open place, so you can actually
see what is going on (again, healer's perspective).

>haven't done anything in Dire Maul
>except help a guildie farm Guard Mol'dar

Meh, I don't like Dire Maul - everything in there hits like a ton and
is kinda boring (wee, Captain Kromcrush can hit a tank for 4000+ with
Mortal Strike - lets spam heal... Bah!)
Only DM run I have tried that was fun, was a tribune run where we
tried to avoid killing the guards and where we had two priests. That
meant that I, as the shadow specced one, was free to use Mind Control.
Damn! That was fun - and actually very effective on those ogres

>and have NEVER yet been to Scholomance

Lots of undeads - fun for priests
But other than that not much to say.

>or Blackrock Spire.

Upper: Meh, typical dungeon and no undeads - only been there in raids,
so very crowded.
Lower: In raid form, same as upper. In a five man group - very fun.

Actually, most dungeons become _sooo_ much more fun if you five man
them - I have tried 5-manning BRD, LBRS, Scholo, and of course DM so
far. But only if you are in a competent, and somewhat well equipped,
group - if not it quickly becomes one long frustrating corpse run.

>I still have quests to do in Blackrock Depths!

Heh, so do I
(noone else seems interested in going there )

--
Regards
Simon Nejmann

 

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Simon Nejmann wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:53:46 +1000, David Carson
> <david@eldergothSPAMTRAP.com> wrote:
>
>
>>And yes, there are a lot of people who have the totally jaded "rush
>>through the uber instance again hoping for my set pants to drop"
>>attitude, but trust me, it takes a LONG time to get there.
>
>
> Naa, some are born with that attitude
>
> I would say that those that don't care for that kind of play tend to
> stop playing the game, before they begin that kind of instance
> farming.

Not me. I made it to instance farming because I liked difficult instance
runs with good teams, and because I knew a couple of people with whom I
could count on forming a good team almost all the time.

But once I got to level 60 and the emphasis changed to raiding instances
for loot, I lost all interest. In the first place, good raid groups are
substantially more rare than good five-man groups, and harder to put
together. In the second place, the things I dislike about bad groups are
worse in 10-man groups than in 5-man groups. In the third place, the
harder an instance is, the better I like. In the unlikely event that we
put together a good 10-man or larger raid, most of the instances became
too easy to be fun. There are exceptions, but the odds are not in my favor.

Finally, uber-loot just doesn't interest me all that much. One of my
friends with whom I grouped often as we rose through the ranks now has a
really spectacular set of armor and weapons, because he likes
instance-raiding for loot. I am happy for him. But we don't play
together anymore because the several times he induced me to go along on
raids, I just got bored. In cases where I got good loot (e.g. the
Magister items for my mage) it was nice, but not worth the three hours
of boredom. I found it more fun to get my Glowing Brightwood Staff by
figuring out how to solo my way into Tyr's Hand to reach the right mobs.
Now that I have that purple staff, I haven't even equipped it. The fun
was figuring out how to get it. I might sell it, but I might not. I'm
thinking about farming for an Eye of Flame and euipping it together with
the staff.

> Then again, some of us just think it is fun to go on instance runs

Right, that's the thing; tastes vary. Pretty much any time I log in on
my 60 and check my old friend, he is either in Ironforge or in
Stratholme, UBRS, MC, etc. By this point we must know them all as well
as he knows his home town. Clearly this is fun for him. It just bores me
when the raid group is good and annoys me when it isn't.

This lack of intrest in repeated raiding means I don't even have the
good level 60 mage water spell because who wants to take me to Dire Maul
when they know I'm not going to be around for the next loot run into
UBRS? On the other hand, if I'm not loot raiding all the time then how
much do I really need that water?