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May 28, 2012 12:41:07 AM

Hi. I am know it has been asked before but which card would you all recommend, EVGA GTX 480 for $226.79 after tax and shipping or a HIS 7850 that I can get locally for $273.79 after tax? I'm in Canada so I'm not sure if our prices are comparable to the US prices or not.

I know all about the 480 using more power and being hotter but I'm not really concerned by that, I will buy a cooler if I feel the temps are too hot for my liking. I know the 7850 is a good OC'er, runs cool and doesn't use much power and it is newer technology. I mainly play WoW and SWTOR.

My pc is:
I5 3570k @ 4.4Ghz
Asus P8Z77-V LE
Noctua NH-D14
8Gb Kingston 1600Mhz
Mushkin Chronos 120Gb SSD
Cooler Master 700w eXtreme Power Plus PS
Cooler Master HAF 922 case(stock fans, might buy a 120mm for side to blow on the gpu and a 120mm for the bottom)

If I get the 480 I can get the Accelero Twin Turbo II which would put my price at $286.26 which would be a little more then the 7850 but I would be willing to pay that if people think it is worth it.

Also I am playing on a 32" Samsung 450c lcd tv so my resolution is maxed at 1360x768 which I won't be upgrading anytime soon.

More about : gtx480 sale 7850

a b U Graphics card
May 28, 2012 12:48:49 AM

I would get 7850, It's cooler, faster w/OCing, with 2GB RAM and it support DX11.1(I think)
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a b U Graphics card
May 28, 2012 12:51:33 AM

the 480 certainly isn't a bad gpu by any stretch but it would be a massive leap to say that it would be better than choosing a 500 series nVidia like the 560 ti and overclocking or going with the 7000 series gpus.
I personally would buy a gtx 570 at the $270-$300 range or a 2gb gtx 560 ti. If you can really get a gtx 480 for $227 I might do that without buying an aftermarket cooler though. I know it's hot but you'd be replacing it soon enough anyway if you're a serious gamer.
May 28, 2012 1:07:25 AM

If you OC the 480, 7850 and a 570, which would end up being faster or are they pretty much the same then? I assume the 7850 would probably be the best since it will run cooler and use less power.
a b U Graphics card
May 28, 2012 1:21:05 AM

prolly a high-end 570, but don't quote me. At that point it's mostly about buying a gpu from a good brand with a good factory overclock and custom cooling solution like MSI's stuff. If running cooler and using less power is that much of a difference to you then you definitely want a 7850 though.
Anonymous
May 28, 2012 1:24:24 AM

dear OP,

I think you've been misled. I would never buy a 225 - 275 GPU for 1360x786 gaming. I'd be hard pressed to find a card over 130 usd$ that could not play Warcraft on near-max graphics. SWTOR is not exactly a most cutting edge hardcore game either.

I mean, if it's between wiping your *** with a hundred dollar bill or getting a 250 GPU then buy what you want.

Otherwise, you may want to look towards like a 6850 -6870 for overkill (currently usd 160, can be had for closer to 120 on sale) or even a gtx 460 (lands closer to 115-130 usd, 90 dollars or less on sale) as a high-almost maximum setting GPU at your resolution.


to better put this in perspective, You're talking about cards that max out graphics on screens with resolutions twice as large as yours (1920x1080 = 2073600 pixels, vs your 1360x786 = 1068960 pixels)

Just a spec of sanity for you here on these crazy forums,
Hope it helps.

Take care.
a c 86 U Graphics card
May 28, 2012 1:29:04 AM

The Radeon 7850 uses about one third of the power used by the GTX 480 at load, the 7850 comes with one (or more, depending on the model) free games that can total up to $110 worth or so of free games, has about the same performance at stock, can overclock farther than any other graphics card in it's performance range, and in addition to all of that, it's also one of the quieter cards that you can buy if you avoid cards with reference (or worse) coolers. The 7850 wins without contest. However, I wouldn't spend $270 on a 7850.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

That one is an XFX card that comes with two free games (totaling $110, one $50 game and one $60 game). It costs $240 and has free shipping.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
This is a factory overclocked Gigabyte model with one free game ($60). This card beats the GTX 570 in stock performance, but unlike the above card, it only has one free game, costs $260, and doesn't have free shipping (says another $7 for shipping).

Due to the 7850s all using so little power, they also cost a heck of a lot less money over time. You can save well almost $100 in the first year compared to the GTX 570 and over $120 compared to the GTX 480, assuming a few hours a day at load and at least a few hours a day at idle usage and that you pay close to the national average per watt of electricity and that you have a decently efficient PSU.


However, I think that that's all irrelevant for you because there aren't many good reasons to have such powerful graphics cards for such a low resolution monitor. Get a Radeon 7770 instead because it should be able to max out the settings in all games at 1360x768. Getting more powerful graphics cards (such as the 7850, 480, or 570) would only be important for gaming on a monitor (still 1360x768) in 3D and/or if the monitor supports a 120Hz refresh rate and you want very high frame rates. Chances are that your monitor does not support 3D nor does it support a refresh rate higher than 75Hz, so going beyond a 7770 isn't very useful.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This 7770 costs $125 and has free shipping in addition to coming with a free copy of DiRt SHOWDOWN ($60 value). It has a non-reference cooler, but runs at reference clock frequneices, so it is right behind a reference Radeon 6850 in performance. That is more than enough for 1360x768.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This is a factory overclocked Radeon 7770 for $150 ($135 with MIR) and free shipping that also comes with a free copy of DiRt SHOWDOWN ($60 value) with a non-reference cooler. It is about 15% faster than a reference clocked 7770 and is on-par with or even slightly beating a reference 6850. If you want a little more performance than a reference 7770 without overclocking it yourself, this is a good option, but I don't think that it would matter much, except maybe for additional future-proofing (not that it would make a huge difference). Regardless, I thought that I should mention it as a reasonable option.

Both cards here are better overall than all other options in their performance range because of their reduced power usage, allowing them to cost less money over time and thus improving their price for performance compared to similarly performing cards, such as the Radeon 6850 and GTX 460 1GB (256 bit).
a b U Graphics card
May 28, 2012 1:33:12 AM

He's asking between the gtx 480 or a 7850 but yes, it is unlikely that at 768x1360 you would get use out of anything more than a $120 gpu. However, when you're paired with a 3570k I'd want to prepare for the future myself.
a c 86 U Graphics card
May 28, 2012 6:03:04 AM

kevin83 said:
He's asking between the gtx 480 or a 7850 but yes, it is unlikely that at 768x1360 you would get use out of anything more than a $120 gpu. However, when you're paired with a 3570k I'd want to prepare for the future myself.


How is a 7770 not prepared for the future with a 1360x768 monitor? If one 7770 is ever no longer enough, then a second 7770 can be added for Crossfire and then it will be faster than a single 7850 while using about the same amount of power. Sure, it only has 1GB of VRAM per card, but again, the resolution is only an upper 1MP resolution (a little greater than 720p). 1080p is just starting to show weakness at 2GB, games would need to use at almost twice as much VRAM at a given resolution before 1GB shows weakness at 1360x768. Them having only a 128 bit memory interface also won't be a problem. If you overclock the memory to almost 1500MHz, then two 7770s in CF have an effective memory bandwidth equal to the GTX 580, GTX 670, and GTX 680. Considering that they don't need even that much bandwidth at their performance level and the memory might not be able to be clocked that high unless it too has cooling, it might not get past 1300MHz or 1350MHz, but that's okay because the two 7770s would still have enough bandwidth for their performance. they would be between the Radeon 7950 and Radeon 7970 in GPU performance, but with such low memory bandwidth, they would trail the GTX 680 in bandwidth heavy games.
a c 109 U Graphics card
May 28, 2012 7:33:43 AM

Makes me want one now! :o 
a c 86 U Graphics card
May 28, 2012 7:52:20 AM

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The GTX 480 was geared towards gamers with a screen resolution of 2560x1600, this card is a monster, even with all the new GPU's out today.
For the asking price, it is one heck of a good deal.
1360x768... a decent GTX 460 or 6850 will be great for that res, however if you plan to use 1920x1080 any time soon, i give the 480 a +1.

The 7850 is more attractive due to a 500mb larger Vram and a lower running temperature, with some nice consumption figures.

No one here ever really speaks of the 480's overclocking performance...

I have tested my single air cooled GTX 480 vs 4ryan's watercooled GTX 580.

The results were quite phenominal.

A 580 is roughly 5% faster than a 480 at the same clocks..

Here is the test: (words from 4ryan himself)

I ran some tests with the Unigine Heaven Benchmark and I can confirm your 480GTX overclocked will beat a 580GTX reference
clock of 772mhz, and the first released 25mhz level OC of 797mhz, and the second 50mhz OC release of 822mhz, any factory overclocked released 580GTX cards after that with a 60mhz + clock, your OCd 480GTX won't beat them.

You can beat or tie the performance of any 580GTX below an 850 clock but you cannot beat these, or any of the water cooled cards.

I'm just sharing this with you, so you know 100% for sure what your 480GTX overclocked can do, so you don't make a statement out in the forum and get blasted for it, the article you linked to was for a reference 580GTX clocked at 772mhz.

You can stomp any 580GTX with your 480s in SLI.


The 480 can go a little beyond 850MHz on water cooling, but the 7850 can overclock even further than the 480 can and the 7850 can do it on air while using one third of the power. The 7850 uses so much less power that at stock that it saves you an average of over $120 in just one year. Overclocked versus overclocked, the savings increase substantially. At that point, you might as well jsut pick up a 7950 and overclock the heck out of it because it'll still be faster and use less power while still costing less in the long run. One thing that you might not have factored into the 480's costs would be for a water cooled 480, the cost of the water cooler, and the fact that 7850s come with one or two free games, $60 value for one game and a $110 value for two games, whether it's the one game or two game option depends on the card. 7950s are even better with three free games.

Yes, the 480 is a great card, but is uses too much power for its performance. It is one of the most power inefficient cards on the market, especially in the high end. It uses more power than the Radeon 7970 and GTX 670/680 and these three cards are all almost as fast as GTX 480 SLI. There's no good reason to buy a GTX 480 right now. If you have one and are thinking about SLI, you're better off selling it and buying a new GCN or Kepler card because the power savings will literally pay for the new card in two to four years, depending on how much you use them and remember, these numbers are with stock frequencies, the new card would get paid for even faster if you considered overclocking.

Also, the 7850's Pitcairn GPU is 28nm, not 32nm. There are no 32nm GPUs in discrete video cards, at least not that I'm aware of, although Llano's IGPs and Intel's Sandy Bridge IGPs are 32nm. In the pros for the 480, you say that the memory and ROPs of the 480 are identical to the 580 in throughput, but that is wrong. They are only identical if you overclock the 480 to the exact same clock frequencies as the 580. How wide the interface is and how many ROPs the card has are not the only factors in memory bandwidth throughput and in ROP throughput.

In the cons of the 7850, you say unproven performance (completely wrong) and drivers are still a hassle (not completely wrong, but not really correct either). Both of these are wrong, for the most part. We already know how the 7850 performs with current drivers, so its performance is not unproven, and its drivers are fine for single card configurations, although I'm not positive of its CF support.
a c 185 U Graphics card
May 28, 2012 8:08:40 AM

I would go with a 480 higher running temperature though and a power hog but i still like it better but the 7850 is awesome as well 9 times out of 10 the members who put the 480 down have never owned one and are just going by hear say or *** they read off the net make no mistake about it the 480 is a straight beast and deserves more respect than it gets ;) 
a b U Graphics card
May 28, 2012 8:14:19 AM

bigcyco1 said:
I would go with a 480 higher running temperature though and a power hog but i still like it better but the 7850 is awesome as well

7850 is way better... Higher OCing with lower Temp and lower wattage usages... I would save nearly 200% the cost of 7850's wattage compare to GTx 480...
a c 109 U Graphics card
May 28, 2012 8:21:29 AM

Yeah, like after 50 years of usage....
a c 86 U Graphics card
May 28, 2012 8:23:16 AM

bigcyco1 said:
I would go with a 480 higher running temperature though and a power hog but i still like it better but the 7850 is awesome as well 9 times out of 10 the members who put the 480 down have never owned one and are just going by hear say or *** they read off the net make no mistake about it the 480 is a straight beast and deserves more respect than it gets ;) 


The 480 most certainly does deserve more respect than it gets, but there's jsut no denying that the 7850 is a much cheaper card to own due to its lower power usage (even if it's more expensive up-front), higher OCing performance, and all of the other reasons that I've already listed in my other posts.
a c 185 U Graphics card
May 28, 2012 8:31:53 AM

legendkiller said:
7850 is way better... Higher OCing with lower Temp and lower wattage usages... I would save nearly 200% the cost of 7850's wattage compare to GTx 480...
Think i already said it's a power hog and runs hotter temps :lol:  i still like the GTX480 better than a 7850 i have owned both cards before and i am not saying the GTX480 is better there both awesome GPU ;) 
a c 86 U Graphics card
May 28, 2012 8:49:43 AM

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Your electric bill will hardly change... i suggest folk like you go read up on power consumption more in depth.


I suggest that you check up on power bills yourself.

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Correction on the process yes..
I already know that ROP's and mem are not subliminal factors... i said they are identical... as the numbers are the same.

Unproven performance... drivers are yet to mature... meaning performance is up and down..
Single GPU hassles have been in this forum quite alot...

480 is cheaper.. and i did not hide from the power consumption.

Higher overclocks on the 7850 do not mean it will outperform a given card... it may not scale as good... just like the 5870 did not vs the 480.

Single GPU hassles are on these forums for all cards. Do you have any idea how many times I've helped people who had problems with GTX 500 cards, Radeon 6000 cards, GTX 400 cards, Radeon 5000 cards, and many more? In fact, I still see problems with those cards more often than problems with Radeon 7000 cards and the problems that Radeon 7000 cards do have are almost always solved by a driver and/or BIOS/firmware update. Most people still having problems are using older drivers or have other problems that are directly or indirectly their fault (this is true for most tech problems).

The 7850 can be overclocked to slightly behind both the reference 7970 and the GTX 670 and it can do it on a stock air cooler. Can the GTX 480 do that? Not a chance. Give that 7850 water cooling like those highly overclocked 480s that already lose to the air cooled OC 7850 and that 7850 can beat a reference 7970 that is at stock frequencies. The 480 can't do that, at least not within practicality.

Say what you want about the drivers, but the review sites speak for themselves. The newer drivers are good and performance is consistent with them. Crossfire support leaves a little to be desired, but it works too.
a b U Graphics card
May 28, 2012 9:18:39 AM

Thing may change in the future just need one stupid war (or event rumor), to make energy price climb.....

I'll opt for 7850 because it will be cheaper than 460 + cooler, the different of performance is not to big, and well, it newer. (or maybe wait for nvida offer in 6...)
a c 86 U Graphics card
May 28, 2012 9:43:00 AM

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Slightly behind 7970... where is this proof...

Power bills... hahaha ok :

http://michaelbluejay.com/electricity/cost.html

Will you really notice it? i doubt it...


Why are you talking to me as if i know nothing...

400 series has been the 460's...

I have yet to see a 470 or 480 in this forum with issues.



Funny thing is, i was correct on the drivers... performance aside... i have never used a 7xxx card and did not say it cannot OC to a certain point.
I also said it may not scale so good with overclocks, so good for you, you managed to show me it does without proof, i do not doubt you, but your tongue is a little ill mannered ;) 


OFC it is hard to judge tongue through the internet... but that's how it seemed.


Going by your link, simple math tells us that if the GTX 480 is on for four hours a day at load and is completely off (not even idling) for the rest of the day, it costs about $65 to $85 more than the 7850 per year. If you, like most gamers, don't only play for 4 hours a day each day of a year and don't leave your computer off for the rest of the day of each day of a year, that goes up towards a little over $120 on average per year. Thank you for helping to prove me right. I have to say, that is most definitely something that I'd notice, especially after three years when it's time to upgrade, and I realize that the money I could have saved from using the 7850 instead of the 480 could have bought me a new graphics card to replace the 7850.

You've never seen a thread about someone with a problem with a GTX 470 or GTX 480? Lucky you. I've helped several people who had problems with those graphics cards. I've also explained the difference between the GTX 460 768MB, the GTX 460 1GB 192 bit, and the GTX 460 1GB 256 bit more than I'd like to have explained it.

Here are a few quotes from a very good forum thread about 7850 overclocking:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18389...

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Here you go guys. 7024 P Score 1325MHz / 6000MHz @ 1.215v. That's a 54% overclock on the reference air cooler. These cards are frecking awesome overclockers. Probably the best GPU headroom ever.


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P7296 @ 1290/5800 @ 1.225V. 50% OC on air. CPU @ 4.2GHz.


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Late 70's for 24/7 clocks on auto fan setting. The fan really is conservative on reference 7850's, keeping things very quiet.

This card is actually part of a system being built for a mate. I generally prefer NVidia, but this has been the best overclocking fun I have had in many years. No driver issues with it so far (1.5 days and counting).

edit: After playing BF3 on Ultra, temps rose above 80. Looks like I need to create a custom fan profile to maintain 1200 core at sub 80 degrees on a reference cooler.


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Seiously, the 7850 is the best bang AMD card since the 5850. It is probably also the best overclocking card ever. Even though I generally prefer NVidia, I can see this is an exteremely good card which will play anything at 1080/1200P once overclocked a bit. Even with the 1050MHz limitation it was much better than I expected. At 1200-1300MHz it is pretty awesome. The 680 in my main system is faster, but I'm damned if I can notice much different at 1200P whilst playing real games.

IMHO, the 7850 is the best value gaming card available today. Fast enough at stock, cool, quiet, almost reasonably priced, and overclocks like a champ. If it didn't have an AMD label on it, I would get one or two for myself.


I have experience in GPU engineering and could explain to you exactly why the 7850 can fight with the 7970 when you overclock it well, if you want me to. I'll just say this for now: GPU clock frequency is far more important than shader count. Shader count increases have horrible scaling and GPU clock frequency scaling is almost exactly 100% so long as you keep memory bandwidth high enough. That is why the 7870 is almost base fast as the 7950 despite having a huge shader count disadvantage and only a moderate clock frequency advantage while also having a VRAM bandwidth disadvantage. It's also why the 7950 and the 7970, when at the same clock frequency, have almost exactly the same performance. You pump up the clock frequency of a 7850's GPU and RAM and that 7850 can match a 7970.

It needs a 50% overclock on the GPU and a 33% memory frequency overclock (both relative to reference 7850 clock frequencies) and it can and will meet the 7970 and GTX 670 (like the GTX 670, it should lose to the 7970 in memory bandwidth-limited games) in most games. The GPU can be clocked even further and the RAM might be able to go further, so it's possible to beat the 7970, but that would be more dependent on how good your card is at that point. A good 7850 could hit 60% over reference GPU clock, but I'm not sure about the memory. I know that the 7900 cards' memory can get huge clocks (1700MHz or even higher is common), so the 7850 can probably get some very high memory clocks to go with its high GPU clocks if you make sure that the memory chips are have cooling. The only card that I can imagine beating the 7850 in overclocked performance for the money would be the Radeon 7950.
a c 86 U Graphics card
May 28, 2012 9:45:28 AM

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http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1863/14/

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4725/msi_radeon_hd_785...
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7850_HD_7870/...

http://www.guru3d.com/article/msi-radeon-hd-7850-power-...

7850 struggles to beat a 6970...


Look at the 580... the 480 can beat the 580... now what?
Am i still incorrect..

The 480 stomps the 7850 once overclocked.

Only argument is load power consumption.


The 7850 has more overclocking headroom than any other card, except maybe for the 7950. At stock, yes, the 7850 is between the 6950 and the 6970, slightly behind the 6970, but close enough to be considered on-par with the 6970 and GTX 480. Overclocked, a 7850 can beat the 580 without even having its voltage increased. Pump the voltage up a little and it'll fly past the most highest overclocked, water cooled 480 and 580.
a c 86 U Graphics card
May 28, 2012 9:49:19 AM

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Hehe prrof does not lie... and your "engineering" is proving quite dumb... considering the 480 will beat the 7850 once overclocked...

Numbers do not lie... and a synthetic bench is nothing on real world performance ;) 

All posted links were with the 7850 at 1050mhz and 1200mhz respectively :) 


Considering the forum thread that I edited into a link has some in-game benchmarks, you can check for yourself how well some of the highest clocked 7850s can do. And my engineering skills are obviously beyond your understanding of GPUs, although I'll admit that I'm not the greatest. Once again, the 7850 has far greater headroom than the GTX 480. Do I really have to explain why? It's a long and boring explanation. It's worse than explaining different performance scaling effects of core count increases, clock frequency increases, GPU count increases, etc. When you actually know what you're talking about, then by all means, prove me wrong. I can not only provide proof of how I'm right, but I can tell you why it works that way.
a c 86 U Graphics card
May 28, 2012 9:51:35 AM

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I doubt you understand me... headroom means nothing if the clocks do not scale well enough...


Considering the fact that they do scale well enough... It does matter.
a c 86 U Graphics card
May 28, 2012 9:56:04 AM

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http://www.overclock.net/t/1253829/gtx-480-vs-7850


Point of link....

It is down to the consumer not someone with an opinion... i have 480's i know what they can do... and they are incredible.
Especially at their price now on the egg.


You're being opinionated, not me. I simply said that I'd prefer a card that overclocks better, uses ridiculously less power, has more VRAM and when overclocked, even has more VRAM bandwidth if you know what you're doing. The 480 can only win in your opinion because it loses in reality. It's not a bad card, but it's not even close to being the best in any way.
a c 185 U Graphics card
May 28, 2012 10:09:17 AM

Holy ***! This thread has turned into a GTX480 VS 7850 war lol :bounce: 
a c 86 U Graphics card
May 28, 2012 10:09:19 AM

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In my links the 7850 at 1200mhz was significantly behind the GTX 580 at stock...

A 480 with a 100mhz increase gets 580 performance.. any higher it beats it quite a bit..

Now what kind of stuff you been smoking?

Under water nearly all 480's can do 900mhz+... that will thrash any 580 and leave a 7850 looking like a pig in mud..

I like the 7850 for it's power consumption and heat, but i do not for raw performance.

The end of the day... higher clocks are only bragging rights, i clock mine for performance, and this is where the 480 shines..

Proof is in the pudding.

Cheers for thinking i know nothing.. but i have dealt with lots of other users exactly like you... nieve.


http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7850_HD_7870/...

Do you mean this one? It clearly uses an old driver that not only didn't work properly with the 7850, but also limited it's OC headroom. New drivers paint an entirely different picture. Cheers for think I know nothing, but I've shown you my up to date links that prove you wrong. I've dealt with many naive users (for example, here's one who can't even spell that word correctly). What have you been smoking if you think old drivers are representative of current performance? This is why benchmarks are constantly being redone by other people and why new benchmarks almost always show different numbers from older ones that used an older driver. You know how I already said that the older drivers were as bad as you seem to think that they still are? Well, that's proof of it. Thanks for proving me right yet again with your own links and managing to ignore mine.
a c 86 U Graphics card
May 28, 2012 10:11:38 AM

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above 1300mhz OC on a 7850 is very hard to acheive and almost none will get that high.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18389...

I find it retarded that people will choose to find a clock that only 1 person has gotten to...
Different story for a 480... some users can get 900mhz on air and some cannot.

My peak is 880mhz.. but i do not like adding too much voltage.


From your reference:

edit: After playing BF3 on Ultra, temps rose above 80. Looks like I need to create a custom fan profile to maintain 1200 core at sub 80 degrees on a reference cooler.


You're an idiot if that's what you think. Most 7850s won't go over 1200MHz on stock voltage. Going over means overvolting the 7850 and in addition to that, the quote you just used was of someone using a crap cooler instead of a far superior custom cooler. Everyone in that thread using a single 7850 and overvolting it with new drivers got far over 1200MHz without even nearing the 7850's safe voltage limits. Heck, even most of the people in that forum with reference coolers did over 1300MHz.
a c 86 U Graphics card
May 28, 2012 10:16:34 AM

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WW3..

Anyway... it seems only 1 link was incorrect.. i aplogise wow really..

LOL

Do you think the 480 was tested on newer drivers? considering 301.46 gives the 400 series a performance boost?
Never thought about that did you....

Those bencies are from old revision drivers too... jeeze you really that simple?


Every link that you've given has either been outdated or proved you wrong anyway. Are you really so simple as to think that I'll not be right about anything else?
a c 86 U Graphics card
May 28, 2012 10:37:47 AM

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Awww you must feel big right now calling me names...
It seems you are rather one sided to the argument... i provided sufficient proof to the 7850... and cannot deny the shortcomings of the 480 with power consumption.
Personal remarks are rather childish.
If you really are that much smarter than me.. you would have knocked me out with some incredible proof... but there is none.

I have legit proof of the 480's pro's and con's.


I've already given you the links. Can you not pay attention? Besides, you're the one calling me retarded and you did it first, so how is it that I'm the childish one? At least what I said makes sense. A retard probably couldn't be showing you how wrong you are in this many ways, so what you said is most certainly more childish because it isn't even remotely correct. You've provided sufficient proof to prove me right several times over and I've simply added on to that.

At 1290MHz, the 7850 was beating reference 7950s which just happen to beat reference 580s and meet or beat overclocked 480s.

Look at the bottom here:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18389...

and then the top here:
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18389...

Heck, the entire thread shows them talking about how they beat reference/stock 7950s.
a c 185 U Graphics card
May 28, 2012 10:44:10 AM

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Shall we bench?

Bring in someone with a 7850... or if you have someone else, and we will post benchies of the same games.
Then we shall see the true results.
Not a bad idea and would settle this once and for all since all the bench marks being provided on all parts are quite old
a c 185 U Graphics card
May 28, 2012 10:45:55 AM

come on somebody with a 7850 post lol
a c 185 U Graphics card
May 28, 2012 11:16:28 AM

HOLY ***!!THE GTX 480 IS A BIGGER MONSTER THAN I KNEW LOOK AT THAT LOL
a b U Graphics card
May 28, 2012 12:49:29 PM

About the electric bill:

Let's consider that the GTX 480 roughly consumes 200W more than the AMD HD7850 at load.

Considering that you play 5 hours a day, it makes 1kWh/day or 30kWh/month or yet 360kWh/year.
Considering that the kWh costs 10~15 cents -> USD 36~54/year.

Not THAT game changing but still a difference...
a c 185 U Graphics card
May 28, 2012 1:27:45 PM

Doesn't matter let's see 7850 up to date bench marks this is not over till somebody puts 7850 benchmarks up today dam it lol
a c 86 U Graphics card
May 28, 2012 2:25:45 PM

vitornob said:
About the electric bill:

Let's consider that the GTX 480 roughly consumes 200W more than the AMD HD7850 at load.

Considering that you play 5 hours a day, it makes 1kWh/day or 30kWh/month or yet 360kWh/year.
Considering that the kWh costs 10~15 cents -> USD 36~54/year.

Not THAT game changing but still a difference...


Your math ignores the fact that there are 365 days in a year (366 every fourth year for leap year) and that it would need to be completely off for the other 19 hours of every day and in addition to that, the power supply is not 100% efficient, so although it uses about 200w more internally, it causes even greater power usage at the wall.
Anonymous
May 28, 2012 2:52:02 PM

see what I mean? These forums are insane.

I consider the post made just under my first post to be pretty much it. The 7770 would be awesome for you. You would get performance as well as the newest most modern architecture. The 7770 is not better than ,say, a 6870, but with future driver optimization it may well close that gap. More importantly it has the 7000-series features. and marketing.

Do consider it, I run it at 1600x900 and it's usually a high/ultra textures with lowered msaa & aa settings.
At 1366x resolution it would max.

I got it for 104.99 after rebate.

good luck on the forums,
only the strong minded will survive the ranting of the delusional.

If you really have an Intel core i5 3xxx build, you may want to get a nice monster resolution and one of these expensive cards. Otherwise, I'd consider selling the build to some other sucker that's caught up in marketing (honestly, who really needs a processor that expensive?) and building 2 smaller PCs and probably a new TV or monitor that will max out 1366x.

As I always say, in Technology who cares if your part is 2x or 4x faster than you need. i7 or i9 it's just going to be icrap in 4 years. There is very rarely a part that you won't want to replace in 2, 3, or 4 years. Buy what's really cool but affordable now and use the left over money to buy a new PC in 2.5-3 years.

Future proofing for the most part is a myth. An excuse for impulsive children to buy into marketing and try to pretend they were not suckered into giving away tons of hard earned cash. People who couldn't get a bargain if they tried. Who don't understand the value of money and what if can do for you if you can hold on to it.

anyways, enough ranting for now
Take care,
no more forums for me for a while.


I say buy a 7770 series because it has great performance for your intended resolution and you pay a very small premium for the marketing. After all, we all need to buy in to the marketing some time.. it's very pervasive. Just at lease be aware that you're doing it, and that there are some previous gen cards to be had at a better cost and higher performance. Still, 7770 is an easy recommend if Canada prices are comparable. USD 120 would be my maximum price. But if it reaches the price of a better card, say 6870, it's hard to recommend it unless you really need to get that high/relief for buying into marketing.
May 28, 2012 3:39:54 PM

Thanks everyone for the advise and the great reading! I know the games I currently play are not graphic intensive at all and my tv/monitor doesn't have great resolution but I will eventually(probably not until the winter) get a new monitor with 1080p and hopefully play some better games lol.
I was going to get the 480, I had my mind set on it but in the end I found this 7870 for $270 which I thought was a great deal.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I don't see many reviews on them so once I get it in a couple days I will test it out and do a review of it.
May 29, 2012 10:29:35 PM

Hello, this thread came up whilst I was searching for a GTX580 to 7850 comparison and thought I'd share a brief Metro test on my MSI TF3 7850, just in case any one's still interested:

One run at a fairly easily achievable (stock volts/stock cooler) 1100Mhz / 5800Mhz:



One run at max stable clocks 1325/6000 (card currently watercooled though, so bear in mind not all 7850's will reach 1250+):



On a moderate OC it's pretty close to the 480, but does beat it out at higher OC's. 2500k was at 4.6Ghz during the tests. All in all I've been very happy with this card and can highly recommend it - the 7870 should be even better. Didn't have time to run any other game tests.
a c 86 U Graphics card
May 29, 2012 11:27:47 PM

jonnyt1000 said:
Hello, this thread came up whilst I was searching for a GTX580 to 7850 comparison and thought I'd share a brief Metro test on my MSI TF3 7850, just in case any one's still interested:

One run at a fairly easily achievable (stock volts/stock cooler) 1100Mhz / 5800Mhz:

]http://i.imgur.com/GLy6C.jpg?1

One run at max stable clocks 1325/6000 (card currently watercooled though, so bear in mind not all 7850's will reach 1250+):

]http://i.imgur.com/Sr09z.jpg

On a moderate OC it's pretty close to the 480, but does beat it out at higher OC's. 2500k was at 4.6Ghz during the tests. All in all I've been very happy with this card and can highly recommend it - the 7870 should be even better. Didn't have time to run any other game tests.


Even at stock, the 7850 is on-par with the 480 (loses in some games, wins in others), although overall, it's very slightly slower (a few percent at worst, I checked recently, but I could check again if asked). At 1325MHz and with decent memory clocks, it would beat the 7950 (which is well beyond the 480 at stock and is at least matching highly overclocked 480s). With water cooling, you should be able to go well beyond 1325MHz core 1500MHz (6000 effective) memory, although maybe not further on the memory frequency. Are your VR and memory chips being cooled? It's weird for that to be your maximum on water cooling, unless you either don't want to increase voltage or your water cooler isn't very good.
May 30, 2012 5:32:41 AM

My WC is a quite few years old now, but still more than good enough to keep this card cool - it's a custom loop with a MCW60 GPU block and 360 rad. VRM's and memory all have heatsinks attached and there's a fan blowing air directly over them.

At max clocks of 1325/6000, the highest temp I've seen after a couple of hours gaming is 44c and that's at 1.3v which is the maximum voltage I can apply. I don't think anyone has yet figured out how to go higher - and probably not too safe if they did.

Looking at other peoples overclocks, my card seems to be a pretty average overclocker - better than some, but not as good as others. I was hoping for 1400Mhz under water, but sadly won't happen.

a c 86 U Graphics card
May 30, 2012 5:29:59 PM

amuffin said:
Gtx 480's usually are $150 on Ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313...


Yeah, if you want to be used. Even then, once again, the 7850 recoups that price difference (used 480 at $150 versus new 7850 at $250) in less than two years. If you play more than four hours a day and leave the computer at least on (even if it's idling), then the 7850 wins even faster. OC versus OC, the difference closes much faster. Even if you get it for free, the GTX 480 would cost more than the Radeon 7850 over two to four years, at the practical maximum. As said above, the difference closes faster with more usage and with even more so with overclocking. You would need to be paid to have the 480 in order for it to not end up costing more than the 7850, or only keep a free/highly discounted 480 for a short period of time.
June 27, 2012 2:40:22 PM

Anonymous said:
dear OP,

I think you've been misled. I would never buy a 225 - 275 GPU for 1360x786 gaming. I'd be hard pressed to find a card over 130 usd$ that could not play Warcraft on near-max graphics. SWTOR is not exactly a most cutting edge hardcore game either.

I mean, if it's between wiping your *** with a hundred dollar bill or getting a 250 GPU then buy what you want.

Otherwise, you may want to look towards like a 6850 -6870 for overkill (currently usd 160, can be had for closer to 120 on sale) or even a gtx 460 (lands closer to 115-130 usd, 90 dollars or less on sale) as a high-almost maximum setting GPU at your resolution.


to better put this in perspective, You're talking about cards that max out graphics on screens with resolutions twice as large as yours (1920x1080 = 2073600 pixels, vs your 1360x786 = 1068960 pixels)

Just a spec of sanity for you here on these crazy forums,
Hope it helps.

Take care.



This. Get what ever is cheaper. If that is the GTX 480, you will have a cool, calm hotrod under the hood just in case.
June 27, 2012 2:45:12 PM

Whoops, didn't look at the date.

Thread has me looking for a used GTX 480 though.
June 27, 2012 2:58:15 PM

Quote:
This thread is old, and has been resurrected by a fool who thinks i fake things.. LOL



someone told me on another thread that i needed to post my clocks here and i caught your act of phonieness
a b U Graphics card
June 27, 2012 4:09:23 PM

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