prowl - how exactly does it work?

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As druid in catform I can turn on "prowl" which is similar to "stealth" (i
thought).
I was trying to sneek by a few enemies (lower or same level as me). They
attacked me. I thought they cannot see me?!

In the thread "Herb/Alchemy for a rogue" Marshall is thinking of a stealthed
roque sneeking on herbs. Will this really work or is the druid ability
somewhat different than the roques?

Walt

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Walt schreef:
> It is possible to skin shapeshifted tough. Never tried to skin while
> stealthed. Gonna try that when servers are up again.

Skinning and picking herbs (using Herbalism) will unstealth you.

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Almost any action will unstealth you. What the guy in the
alchemist/herbalism for rogues was saying wasn't that he could go
gather/mine invisible. He said that it would take him much less time,
as in, he doesn't have to clear all the mobs from the entrance of a
dungeon to where the resource is. He can just stealth his way in up to
the resource, if there are mobs near the resource (almost always) he
has to kill only those. I've tried this and, unless you're higher
level than the mobs in the dungeon, it doesn't work that well, some mob
will spot me on the way in and then all the mobs around will attack me,
which usually leads to my death
 
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"Walt" <wbecke{nospam]@gmx.at> wrote:

> As druid in catform I can turn on "prowl" which is similar to "stealth" (i
> thought).

It is.

> I was trying to sneek by a few enemies (lower or same level as me). They
> attacked me. I thought they cannot see me?!

Imagine the mob has a circle around him. When you enter it, he'll figure
out there is something, and with some luck, he'll see you.

The size of this circle depends on the level difference between you and
the mob. It's also not a real circle, because if you're behind the mob,
you can get much closer than if you're in front of him.
The closer you get to the mob, the more likely it is he'll target and
attack you.

Same for PvP combat. When you enter the "circle", the enemy can see
(half transparent) and click (target) you.

You can figure out this behaviour with stealthed mobs such as the spiders in
Ashenvale, or the cats in 1KNeedles.

> In the thread "Herb/Alchemy for a rogue" Marshall is thinking of a stealthed
> roque sneeking on herbs. Will this really work or is the druid ability
> somewhat different than the roques?

You can't pick herbs when stealthed, I'm quite sure rogues can't neither.

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Christian Stauffer wrote:
> "Walt" <wbecke{nospam]@gmx.at> wrote:
>
>> As druid in catform I can turn on "prowl" which is similar to
>> "stealth" (i thought).
>
> It is.
>
>> I was trying to sneek by a few enemies (lower or same level as me).
>> They attacked me. I thought they cannot see me?!
>
> Imagine the mob has a circle around him. When you enter it, he'll
> figure out there is something, and with some luck, he'll see you.
>
> The size of this circle depends on the level difference between you
> and
> the mob. It's also not a real circle, because if you're behind the
> mob,
> you can get much closer than if you're in front of him.
> The closer you get to the mob, the more likely it is he'll target and
> attack you.
>
> Same for PvP combat. When you enter the "circle", the enemy can see
> (half transparent) and click (target) you.
>
> You can figure out this behaviour with stealthed mobs such as the
> spiders in Ashenvale, or the cats in 1KNeedles.
>
>> In the thread "Herb/Alchemy for a rogue" Marshall is thinking of a
>> stealthed roque sneeking on herbs. Will this really work or is the
>> druid ability somewhat different than the roques?
>
> You can't pick herbs when stealthed, I'm quite sure rogues can't
> neither.
>
> Chris

It is possible to skin shapeshifted tough. Never tried to skin while
stealthed. Gonna try that when servers are up again.

Walt

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"Walt" <wbecke{nospam]@gmx.at> wrote in message
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> Christian Stauffer wrote:
>> "Walt" <wbecke{nospam]@gmx.at> wrote:
>>
>>> As druid in catform I can turn on "prowl" which is similar to
>>> "stealth" (i thought).
>>
>> It is.
>>
>>> I was trying to sneek by a few enemies (lower or same level as me).
>>> They attacked me. I thought they cannot see me?!
>>
>> Imagine the mob has a circle around him. When you enter it, he'll
>> figure out there is something, and with some luck, he'll see you.
>>
>> The size of this circle depends on the level difference between you
>> and
>> the mob. It's also not a real circle, because if you're behind the
>> mob,
>> you can get much closer than if you're in front of him.
>> The closer you get to the mob, the more likely it is he'll target and
>> attack you.
>>
>> Same for PvP combat. When you enter the "circle", the enemy can see
>> (half transparent) and click (target) you.
>>
>> You can figure out this behaviour with stealthed mobs such as the
>> spiders in Ashenvale, or the cats in 1KNeedles.
>>
>>> In the thread "Herb/Alchemy for a rogue" Marshall is thinking of a
>>> stealthed roque sneeking on herbs. Will this really work or is the
>>> druid ability somewhat different than the roques?
>>
>> You can't pick herbs when stealthed, I'm quite sure rogues can't
>> neither.
>>
>> Chris
>
> It is possible to skin shapeshifted tough. Never tried to skin while
> stealthed. Gonna try that when servers are up again.
>
> Walt
>
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>
>

Any action will un-stealth you, skinning, herbing, opening chests,
whatever...it removes the chance that rogues and druids could loot the world
without ever being in danger :)
 
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"Walt" <wbecke{nospam]@gmx.at> wrote:

> It is possible to skin shapeshifted tough. Never tried to skin while
> stealthed. Gonna try that when servers are up again.

Yep, gathering works when shifted. Using containers like chests, or
quest specific one (like those seeds in Mulgore) doesn't.

Chris

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Alex wrote:
> "Walt" <wbecke{nospam]@gmx.at> wrote in message
> news:42afd58a$0$11352$3b214f66@tunews.univie.ac.at...
>> Christian Stauffer wrote:
>>> "Walt" <wbecke{nospam]@gmx.at> wrote:
>>>
>>>> As druid in catform I can turn on "prowl" which is similar to
>>>> "stealth" (i thought).
>>>
>>> It is.
>>>
>>>> I was trying to sneek by a few enemies (lower or same level as me).
>>>> They attacked me. I thought they cannot see me?!
>>>
>>> Imagine the mob has a circle around him. When you enter it, he'll
>>> figure out there is something, and with some luck, he'll see you.
>>>
>>> The size of this circle depends on the level difference between you
>>> and
>>> the mob. It's also not a real circle, because if you're behind the
>>> mob,
>>> you can get much closer than if you're in front of him.
>>> The closer you get to the mob, the more likely it is he'll target
>>> and attack you.
>>>
>>> Same for PvP combat. When you enter the "circle", the enemy can see
>>> (half transparent) and click (target) you.
>>>
>>> You can figure out this behaviour with stealthed mobs such as the
>>> spiders in Ashenvale, or the cats in 1KNeedles.
>>>
>>>> In the thread "Herb/Alchemy for a rogue" Marshall is thinking of a
>>>> stealthed roque sneeking on herbs. Will this really work or is the
>>>> druid ability somewhat different than the roques?
>>>
>>> You can't pick herbs when stealthed, I'm quite sure rogues can't
>>> neither.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>
>> It is possible to skin shapeshifted tough. Never tried to skin while
>> stealthed. Gonna try that when servers are up again.
>>
>> Walt
>>
>> --
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>>
>>
>
> Any action will un-stealth you, skinning, herbing, opening chests,
> whatever...it removes the chance that rogues and druids could loot
> the world without ever being in danger :)

which is a good thing IMHO

Walt

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> Using containers like chests, or
> quest specific one (like those seeds in Mulgore) doesn't.
>
> Chris

Thats right, always had to shift back to normal when I won the roll on
battered chests in WC.
Unfortunately, we can't use potions when shifted. When I had to kill the
kolkar leader at lushwater oasis, it was a close call (was in cat form). But
entangling roots saved my ass :)

Walt


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In article <42afc333$0$11094$3b214f66@tunews.univie.ac.at>, wbecke
{nospam]@gmx.at says...
> As druid in catform I can turn on "prowl" which is similar to "stealth" (i
> thought).
> I was trying to sneek by a few enemies (lower or same level as me). They
> attacked me. I thought they cannot see me?!

LOL, yep, that is stealth. If they are higher level than you and you
don't have the +stealth talent, they will almost always see you unless
you are very, very careful and only pass when completely behind the MOB.
They have a much easier time seeing you when you come in the front 180
degree arc of their view. If they are more than about 5 levels higher
than you, they will almost always see you regardless. For higher level
stuff it is mostly a "lower the aggro range" skill.

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"Christian Stauffer" <wildcard666@bluewin.ch> wrote in message
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> "Walt" <wbecke{nospam]@gmx.at> wrote:
>
>> As druid in catform I can turn on "prowl" which is similar to "stealth" (i
>> thought).
>
> It is.
>
>> I was trying to sneek by a few enemies (lower or same level as me). They
>> attacked me. I thought they cannot see me?!
>
> Imagine the mob has a circle around him. When you enter it, he'll figure
> out there is something, and with some luck, he'll see you.
>
> The size of this circle depends on the level difference between you and
> the mob. It's also not a real circle, because if you're behind the mob,
> you can get much closer than if you're in front of him.
> The closer you get to the mob, the more likely it is he'll target and
> attack you.

Yup. It takes a bit of time and practice to figure out how close you can get
to an enemy, from what directions, before you get the hang of it. Just
remember you're NOT going to be able to sneak all the way up to mobs
of your level or higher, but you will be able to sneak right up and tweak the
ears of mobs more than a couple levels lower (when approached from behind,
anyway).

> Same for PvP combat. When you enter the "circle", the enemy can see
> (half transparent) and click (target) you.
>
> You can figure out this behaviour with stealthed mobs such as the spiders in
> Ashenvale, or the cats in 1KNeedles.

Yup, go slowly, and watch for the "huh, what was that?!?" reaction that mobs
make, when they first start to detect your presence- they will stop in their
tracks and stare in your direction. If you back up and get out of their 'circle
of detection' range, then they won't attack you, and will continue about their
business. There is usually a few seconds worth of leeway you have at that
moment, to back out of range before they lock onto you for good.

>> In the thread "Herb/Alchemy for a rogue" Marshall is thinking of a stealthed
>> roque sneeking on herbs. Will this really work or is the druid ability
>> somewhat different than the roques?
>
> You can't pick herbs when stealthed, I'm quite sure rogues can't neither.

Nope, the act of picking or mining or opening a chest, or whatever, will un-
stealth you. So you have to plan how you are going to do it- kill the nearest
mob(s) and clear the area, before getting the goods. It's always best to be
higher level than the mobs you're trying to infiltrate around, to make your-
self harder to detect, and your job a lot easier.
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"wolfing" <wolfing1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Almost any action will unstealth you. What the guy in the
> alchemist/herbalism for rogues was saying wasn't that he could go
> gather/mine invisible. He said that it would take him much less time,
> as in, he doesn't have to clear all the mobs from the entrance of a
> dungeon to where the resource is. He can just stealth his way in up to
> the resource, if there are mobs near the resource (almost always) he
> has to kill only those. I've tried this and, unless you're higher
> level than the mobs in the dungeon, it doesn't work that well, some mob
> will spot me on the way in and then all the mobs around will attack me,
> which usually leads to my death

Yep. Being higher level than the mobs you're trying to sneak around, is
highly recommended. 2-3 levels higher does wonders. At 10 or more
levels above the mobs, you practically have to trip over them and loudly
insult their mothers, to get spotted. Also, if you're really serious about
your stealthing, make it a night elf char. Their innate Shadowmeld ability
significantly increases your stealthing ability, and makes you less likely
to be detected than a rogue or druid of any other race, of the same level.
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In <2C%re.4638$hK3.714@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net> "Marshall" <Marshall@nospam.com> writes:


> insult their mothers, to get spotted. Also, if you're really serious about
> your stealthing, make it a night elf char. Their innate Shadowmeld ability
> significantly increases your stealthing ability, and makes you less likely
> to be detected than a rogue or druid of any other race, of the same level.

I have a Night Elf Rogue, and I've been wondering how to use Shadowmeld.

Does it act as a passive ability, making my Stealth better? Or do I
explicitly have to click Shadowmeld and then click Stealth? I tried
clicking SM when I was already Stealthed, and got "A more powerful
spell is already active" message.

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> In <2C%re.4638$hK3.714@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net> "Marshall"
> <Marshall@nospam.com> writes:
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>
>> insult their mothers, to get spotted. Also, if you're really serious about
>> your stealthing, make it a night elf char. Their innate Shadowmeld ability
>> significantly increases your stealthing ability, and makes you less likely
>> to be detected than a rogue or druid of any other race, of the same level.
>
> I have a Night Elf Rogue, and I've been wondering how to use Shadowmeld.
>
> Does it act as a passive ability, making my Stealth better? Or do I
> explicitly have to click Shadowmeld and then click Stealth? I tried
> clicking SM when I was already Stealthed, and got "A more powerful
> spell is already active" message.

Shadowmeld is a passive bonus, when you have stealth activated.
-Marshall