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GTX 570 Price Drop vs Radeon HD 7850 - Which to pair with IB CPU?

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May 28, 2012 7:31:18 PM

Hey guys.

I am going back and forth between the GTX 570 and Radeon HD 7850. Yes, I realize there are other threads comparing the two, but, I can't find one that is up to date now that the GTX 570 dropped in price by quite a bit.

I defenitely won't ever run SLI/Crossfire and will be using a single monitor at 1920x1080.

Here is the GTX 570-AR (Limited Lifetime Warranty) for $259.99 after rebate, free shipping.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Here is the XFX Radeon HD 7850 for $239.99 and it comes with 2 free games.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

My question is, now that the 570 is around $40.00 (maybe more?) cheaper, is it worth getting over the 7850? Will I even need 2GB VRAM for single monitor at 1920x1080? Also keep in mind I will be playing Blizzard Games (WoW, D3) BF3, BFBC2, Skyrim, and possibly a few others. I heard that Radeon cards don't play Blizzard games well. I also heard that Radeon cards have some driver issues, and AMD sacrificed image quality for improved benchmark scores, have these been fixed? So, which one do you guys suggest, and why?
a b U Graphics card
May 28, 2012 7:36:37 PM

I'd go with the 570. The 7850 and 570 are very close in terms of performance, except in a few titles where the 570 has a comfortable lead. The tradeoff is the card uses more power and runs hotter, as we've come to expect from NVIDIA over the last few years.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/518?vs=549
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May 28, 2012 7:41:34 PM



GTX 570 is around 12% faster than HD 7850 and costs only 8% more, if you ignore the fact that you get games with HD 7850 (especially if you don't want them). Also, you get very nice Nvidia driver support. AMD always had driver issues, and I doubt the situation will change in the near future. You won't need 2 GB of VRAM. Personally, I'd go for GTX 570 hands down.
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May 28, 2012 7:50:25 PM

Also, I meant to ask. Can I get away with a corsair 550 PSU? I5-3570K and one of the cards mentioned above, 8GB RAM, mild overclocking? Keep in mind I have no desire to SLI/Crossfire.
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May 28, 2012 7:54:47 PM

Depends which Corsair PSU. If it's TX/HX/AX series - it will work without any problems!
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May 28, 2012 8:17:33 PM

a game like BF3 allready copes de 1gb vram usage, and i think the 7850 has a more future proof and it will be easier to sell in the future in case u want to upgrade. remmember that de 570uses 2 pcie pins while the 7850 only uses 1 and it runs so much cooler.

About the 7850 with driver issues, was just at the beggining now its solved
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May 28, 2012 8:18:30 PM

When you compare performance, price, power consumption, temperature and noise, I think HD 7850 is clearly a winner. It's cheaper, runs cooler, whisper silent and needs half the power of GTX 570. Only trade off is few % of performance. Oh, and there are no driver problems to speak of.
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May 28, 2012 8:21:41 PM

source47 said:
a game like BF3 allready copes de 1gb vram usage, and i think the 7850 has a more future proof and it will be easier to sell in the future in case u want to upgrade. remmember that de 570uses 2 pcie pins while the 7850 only uses 1 and it runs so much cooler.

About the 7850 with driver issues, was just at the beggining now its solved


Just because RAM is used, it doesn't automatically mean that performance suffers. On Crysis 2 I am having my VRAM usage maxed out at 1 GB as well, so what? I still run stable 40-50 fps on maximum settings, except post processing on extreme (instead of ultra).

And how is slower card more future proof?
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May 28, 2012 8:26:15 PM

Do you care about the games? The 7850 isn't that much slower, and if you want Dirt then you are better off with that card. Or if you know of a way to sell the game coupons you could recover a lot of your money. If you sell each code for $20-25 then you could get that 7850 for <$200. Even if you ignore the games I'd probably get the 7850. Cheaper and uses less power. You'll save money the longer you run it.
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May 28, 2012 8:26:59 PM

Sunius said:
Just because RAM is used, it doesn't automatically mean that performance suffers. On Crysis 2 I am having my VRAM usage maxed out at 1 GB as well, so what? I still run stable 40-50 fps on maximum settings, except post processing on extreme (instead of ultra).

And how is slower card more future proof?


well im wondering why no one has mention that the 570's drivers have probably been optimized to the limit for performance, whi;e the 7850 drivers ar not mature and could gain 5, 10, or maybe more percent performance boost
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May 28, 2012 8:28:52 PM

both are good the 7850 overclocks well to be superior to 570 ..the later performs well out of the box. I would go 570 cause I don't like to OC any card and nvidia always been better with the drivers than AMD....for the psu I was debating on a 600 one but decided on a 750 ..just in case one day I wanted to sli or xfire in the future ..or have a bigger power-hungry gpu lol ..
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May 28, 2012 8:57:34 PM

Hmm..can anyone comment on the issues I've heard about with Radeon cards running Blizzard games poorly?
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a b U Graphics card
May 28, 2012 9:29:46 PM

Yeah for some reason Blizzard games tend to favor nVidia, who knows why. Anyway, go with the GTX 570, I didn't even realize the price was this low till I saw this thread.
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May 28, 2012 9:37:32 PM

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you act like it's just Oh, and by the way.....
no big deal..

Radeon drivers are the worse..


there driver support isn't near as good as nvidia,but there drivers are the worse? for petesake there is only two companies in the discrete gpu business, so there isn't much to compare against.
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May 28, 2012 9:42:24 PM

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not with the latest driver set and nVidia's new A/A..
301.4x have unleashed the new A/A on all cards that are PhysX capable, the stronger the GPU the more the benefit.

FYI - my brand new in box N570GTX TF III PE/OC = $265 shipped.
thanks very much..


well that's nice of nvidia, dont remember much about the new AA,. i know some sites said that it was very possible that the 600 series feature could rollover to the 500s
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May 28, 2012 10:30:43 PM

D3 doesn't seem to favor nvidia. Both the 5770 and 6850 are faster then the GTX460. Not sure how the 7850 and GTX570 play out. Either should be fast enough for the most part. You can usually find a game or two here and there then will favor one over the other.
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May 28, 2012 10:52:41 PM

Ironslice said:
Yeah for some reason Blizzard games tend to favor nVidia, who knows why. Anyway, go with the GTX 570, I didn't even realize the price was this low till I saw this thread.


Yea I've been following the prices and they just dropped a couple days ago
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May 28, 2012 10:58:04 PM

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you act like it's just Oh, and by the way.....
no big deal..

Radeon drivers are the worse..

What exactly are you trying to say? My HD 7850 runs every game I throw at it flawlessly using ultra details. Can you show me those driver problems please?
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a b U Graphics card
May 28, 2012 11:12:38 PM

Not only is the 7850 cheaper to begin with, it'll save you $20 or more a year depending on how much electricity is where you are and how long your computer is on.

The 7850 will be supported longer than the 570 will.

The overclockability of the 7850 has been a bit understated, too I think :) 

40-50% overclocks on stock cooling
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2239216

good luck!
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a b U Graphics card
May 28, 2012 11:30:00 PM

I'd say 7850. New tech is fun. If you look at the benchmarks on diablo here on tom's even my backup 6770 is pretty boss in that game.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/diablo-iii-performa...

No need to agonize about the differences between the 2 since they are pretty much the same. If the card is going to last you awhile, looking at the increased vram could be a boon.

Flip a coin and be done with it =)

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May 28, 2012 11:39:24 PM

I can't flip a coin...I'm too OCD about the parts I am using :]
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May 29, 2012 1:45:14 AM

I haven't had the slightest driver issue with my 7850, so don't worry to much about that. The card is silent, and runs cool. I'd recommend the newer tech, but both seem like good choices to me.
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May 29, 2012 1:47:12 AM

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I can relate to that..
personally the power consumption difference doesn't bother me as I went for the 570, I have ample power supply.
so it boils down to choice, personal preference.
I'm more a fan of the HD 7870 more than I am of the HD 7850.
to bad it cost too much.


What? It doesn't matter what PSU you have, the 570 will still cost you $20+ more a year to run than the 7850. Maybe I don't understand the argument you're trying to make.
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May 29, 2012 2:10:20 AM

I appreciate your guys opinions..still undecided though :(  lol
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May 29, 2012 4:22:13 AM

Can't decide !
570: performance, (drivers?), plays blizzard games better
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7850: lower price, cooler, less power, newer technology, more
VRAM(although do I really need it with 1 monitor?), free games if I get the XFX version

Did I miss anything?
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a c 176 U Graphics card
May 29, 2012 5:58:45 AM

I would still include lower price for the 7850. Not only is it slightly cheaper, but comes with games that will either save you money, or a code you can sell to someone. And because it has a lower TDP your PSU won't need to draw as much power from the wall, so your electric bill should be lower with the 7850 as well.

You also keep talking about nvidia playing blizzard games better.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/diablo-iii-performa...

Looking at the 1080 graph, I'm not sure I see it. The GTX580 is slightly on top of the 7870 (570 and 7850 I would think would be just under both of these) but both are so far ahead of 60FPS that I don't think you'd be able to tell. Again, if I was buying just looking at cost and performance and I'd get the 7850. I just don't see what that extra $20 gets me other then no games and more power draw.
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May 29, 2012 6:04:53 AM

Yeah, I've heard people complain about instability and crashes with Radeon cards while playing blizzard games..but I cant say for sure as I've never owned a Radeon card
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a c 176 U Graphics card
May 29, 2012 6:09:19 AM

Can't comment on that as I'm running a GTX460. I could put my 5750 back in and try, but every game has issues somewhat.

http://search.yahoo.comsearch;_ylt=ApdCwGjGPT.erPF.USww9ISbvZx4?p=Nvidia+crash+Diablo3&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-701

You may have to grab a coin or dart board. Sometimes I can't stand people who can make up their mind....
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May 29, 2012 7:06:38 AM

That link isn't working for me
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May 29, 2012 8:10:50 AM

The 7850 hands down. I just got mine 2 days ago and let me say what a champ it is for the price. Buy xfx they are sweet looking cards also.
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May 29, 2012 1:16:54 PM

Speaking of performance, GTX 570 gives you literally few FPS more than HD 7850, that really isn't noticeable.

My factory overclocked HD 7850 doesn't exceed 59 °C after hours in BF3 or Crysis (both on ultra/enthusiast settings), I think that says enough about its coolness.

As for Blizzard games, they don't have high requirements and will run 100+ FPS on both cards anyway.
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May 29, 2012 3:57:17 PM

And uses at least 100W more for the same job. :) 
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May 29, 2012 10:21:14 PM

They raised the price by $15 on the XFX 7850 and $30 on the 570 and added $7.50 shipping...$37.50 increase right before I buy one of these..just my luck
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May 29, 2012 10:25:31 PM

I wonder why they fluctuate so much from week to week
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a b U Graphics card
June 1, 2012 4:44:28 AM

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not arguing just saying and $20 will not hurt me, did you read AND UNDERSTAND it's a personal preference.?

so why are you trying to argue.?
state you opinion to the OP and move on....
another case of my card is this and my card is that....
not worth it.
which ever card is his choice and he has his opinions pros and cons (if any) for each.
it's not about you...


Dude, take a sedative. Using the word "argument" doesn't mean someone is getting in your face. In your case, it meant A course of reasoning aimed at demonstrating truth", or "A fact or statement put forth as proof or evidence" calm down.

While you may not feel $20 over the course of several months as much as you would up front, it's still $20. Power consumption is still a part of the cost to own the card.
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June 1, 2012 4:50:27 AM

The 7850 would be my choice if I had to buy a card right now. In the long run, the card will get better drivers and save you money in electricity, as well as the VRAM to keep up with higher resolutions and graphic intensive games.
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June 1, 2012 3:04:32 PM

I feel that power consumption does matter. Not to the point that I base my choice on it entirely, but when comparing similar chips its something to consider. For example the GTX460 and 6850 have rather similar performance levels. If I'm looking at buying one and they are both $125, I'll have to use some other metric to decide which to buy. Bundle, warranty, cooler, and yes, power usage will factor in. It also plays a bigger part when you consider your PSU. As the 6850 can run on a PSU that has only one PCIe plug. Power draw isn't the end all, but it shouldn't be ignored either.
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June 1, 2012 3:16:38 PM

Wasn't following. Tend to tune out arguments unless something really wrong is mentioned. (P3 is faster then Q6600 for example.) There are those who want the biggest/best stuff and nothing wrong with that. And I wouldn't run a 7750 just because the TDP is lower then X card. As I said the power draw is something to consider, just like performance or any other metric.
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a b U Graphics card
June 1, 2012 3:18:52 PM

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get a clue...
(and a real processor..)
:kaola: 

I don't live at home with my momma and daddy.
I can afford whatever, if your worried about small money like that I want and do not have to worry about an extra $20 a year adding up to make my utility bill too high to pay.
then you need to get a job after school..


Yep, I must be living in my parents basement because I disagree with you and I'm not using a 2500k in my gaming rig. Solid logic there.

I don' recall making personal attacks on you. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Just because it's your personal preference to use a more power hungry card doesn't mean everyone wants to waste money like you do, and making recommendations based on that is irresponsible. It's ironic your tag caption is numbers never lie, yet you insist on excluding cost to own as a factor even when performance numbers between the cards are a wash.

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I can break this down farther too.
3 x HD 6770 in CF-X but since HE GETS NOTHING FROM X4/ SLOT.....
he's basically running (dual) overclocked HD 6770's.
HD 6770 are rebranded HD 5770's.
it would be different if we were talking about HD 7770 but were not.....

I'm not sure rebranded HD 6770 in 3x CF-X @ x8/x8/x4 could even catch a single GTX 580...
might have a hard time out performing an overclocked GTX 570 as well.
kinda lame...


Wrong again.

Actually, the 6770 is the fastest card you can use that isn't hindered by 4 pci-e 2.0 lanes, and 3 6770's ($300) easily match a gtx 580 ($400)

http://www.guru3d.com/article/powercolor-radeon-5770-si...

Most gaming builds on these forums are pretty imbalanced, using far more processor than you need for your video solution.

Try to stick to the applicable numbers instead of degenerating into insults and irrelevant dick-measuring, please.
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June 1, 2012 3:35:24 PM

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2x 5770's back in the day equaled a 5870.. so how the hell does 3 add up to a 580 considering all the scaling issues after 2 cards... and a crappy slow CPU to even power them.
Mal may have come across a bit sharp, but he had a decent point in his waffle.

If you actually had a point... you would be doing this in a different light and not trying to stick up for your purchase.

You buy what you like and you enjoy what you like.
Stupidity is different...
6770 CFX is a good setup, but i doubt even that x3 can handle them properly, let alone 3 cards...


LOL is a 2500k too much for 850mhz 480's?... maybe.. but at least i am not held back...
Your point is a little fragile and leaning towards silly.


My point was in the first paragraph. Regardless of personal preferences, recommending hardware to others should be objective. Ignoring cost-to-own isn't. The insults sure aren't.

And yes, the x3 does handle them. Crysis Warhead's Ambush level averaged 55 fps on my machine with 4x msaa, which is slightly better than the benchmarks in the link.

btw, you two decided to bring personal system specs into this discussion, Yet you accuse me of irrelevant banter? More Irony.

Try civility.
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June 1, 2012 3:38:46 PM

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I have not accused anyone.. i merely stood up to the points that are relevant, which you keep on discussing...
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If you actually had a point... you would be doing this in a different light and not trying to stick up for your purchase.


that would be your accusation of irrelevant talk
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June 1, 2012 3:45:16 PM

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Is it not true? if it is truth it is not accusations.. the truth is in your own words.. pulled up benchies did you not?


Are you intentionally going in circles? I made the point for the thread in the first paragraph of that post, then went on to address your comments. Which I also already said.

If Malmetal is working in enterprise IT, I'm really surprised at him dismissing power consumption. He should know that small bits add up really fast.

3x crossfire does have isue with a few games (CoD in those benchmarks), but for $100 cheaper than a 580, it's pretty damn good...and it was about $170 cheaper than a 580 when I bought them.
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June 1, 2012 3:51:49 PM

What about power consumption, noise, and heat. Ive seen a few videos of it with fans turned up and it sounds like a jet engine :p . I had originally planned on a gtx 480 btw :) 
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a b U Graphics card
June 1, 2012 3:52:58 PM

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power consumption in the workplace and for servers running 24/7 is one thing.
(that's my job..)

power consumption in my personal rigs at my house is entirely something different if that is what I want.
it's my choice and I'm not mixing work and home....
(nVidia = more power consumption in the GTX 4/5 series but better performance than all Radeon up to HD 7870/7950... (GTX 580)..)

cheers.

and since I have a job like I do the extra dollar or two a month in electric bill is nothing....


The issue isn't with your personal choice. It's with your recommendation.
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June 1, 2012 4:00:01 PM

7850 Sapphire/Gigabyte OC versions

1] Runs cooler than the 570 and on a lot less power. A single 6 pin connection means a max TPD of 130W makes this a power efficient mainstream card.

2] Factory overclocked to 930(Sapphire) and 975(Gigabyte) over the reference cards 860, but you can push a overclock of 1205 on the core with little effort.

The GTX570 is also more expensive, its only advantage is in Physx titles and nvidia preferenced games...but its fermi, and its hot.
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June 1, 2012 4:02:14 PM

What's wrong with that case if I may ask? Also if you could mention an alternative around the same pricepoint, preferably with an acrylic side window.
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