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May 29, 2012 1:19:15 PM

So.. I am thinking about buying new gpu and overclocking it. Using this pc only for gaming. specs for now are
g850
hd 6670
8gb 1333
some 400w psu(will buy new one)
monitor res 1440x900
Im looking at 6970(http://www.msi.com/product/vga/R6970-2PM2D2GD5.html#?di...)
and 7850(http://www.gigabyte.us/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4...)
That 6970 is a bit cheaper but thats small difference.
My question is how much bottleneck will these cards have with my cpu and is there a point to spend more money to buy one of these? Instead of them maybe better for me is to save some money and buy a 6870 with which i will not have bottleneck?
There is no way i could buy new cpu because if i do so then i have to take something from i5 and it will cost me much more than i can spend for now.
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a c 117 U Graphics card
May 29, 2012 1:34:32 PM

The 6970 isn't a particularly good overclocker, it's only got about 10-15% in headroom and that's with a lot of work. The 7000 series are allstars and can easily get 20-25% on stock voltages with upwards of 30% with a little bit of work
May 29, 2012 1:56:18 PM

Ok I know about it. But how about bottleneck for both cards with and without an overclock? Thats my main problem here.
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a c 269 U Graphics card
May 29, 2012 2:15:52 PM

You will ALWAYS do better with a faster graphics card.
Your G850 is a very capable gaming chip. I suspect that you could buy the strongest graphics card you are willing to pay for, and be comfortable.

I think I would look first to the new 28nm based cards. They run cooler and take less power. Look at the 7xxx series, or even the GTX670.

To convince yourself of the viability of a much stronger graphics card, run this test:

Run your games, but lower your resolution and eye candy.
If your FPS increases, it indicates that your cpu is strong enough to drive a better graphics configuration.

I would not put too much value in overclocking a graphics card.
Vendors are wise to this, and have binned their chips, and put the best ones in factory overclocked versions so they can charge more for them. Better to buy a stronger card to begin with.
But... who knows, you might get lucky.
May 29, 2012 4:44:25 PM

I cant afford gtx 670. Actually my budget is less than price of 6970 and 7850 but i could buy it if its really worth it. Now i am looking at 560 ti 448 . In benchmarks it looks pretty good in some games even beats 6970 but costs less.
a c 291 U Graphics card
May 29, 2012 4:52:43 PM

GTX 560 Ti 448 is both a beast overclocker and champion for its price. I highly recommend it, especially after taking into account that you also get Nvidia drivers :) .
a b U Graphics card
May 29, 2012 5:02:19 PM

why dont you wait for the gtx 660ti
a c 291 U Graphics card
May 29, 2012 5:04:25 PM

panwala95 said:
why dont you wait for the gtx 660ti


Too bad it's not coming out until september...
May 29, 2012 5:06:51 PM

When it will come out and what would be the price/performance? I could wait some time but only if there is point in waiting.
a c 291 U Graphics card
May 29, 2012 5:12:30 PM

Nobody knows yet..
May 29, 2012 5:31:26 PM

Then maybe i should get gpu that allows me to play everything on max with normal fps till something else comes out or prices drops?I know its not wise. What should i take if i do so? My 6670 did good but more often i feel that it cant keep up with new games
a c 291 U Graphics card
May 29, 2012 5:43:18 PM

I'd say you should go for GTX 560 Ti 448 today. Because there's always something that will come out in the future, and if you keep waiting, you'll be waiting forever.
May 29, 2012 6:08:50 PM

I definitely agree with it. See the thing is that if i buy gpu like 560 ti 448 or something better now, i probably will be using it about for a year. Today it can max out everything but how will it go in future? If i buy it then i will have to play with it next games like gta v, next crysis, metro etc.
a c 291 U Graphics card
May 29, 2012 6:17:40 PM

It will continue to be a solid performer for around 3 years. After that, it's performance will diminish and in 5 years it will barely be able to run new titles.

That's what I predict :) .
a b U Graphics card
May 29, 2012 6:39:24 PM

geofelt said:
You will ALWAYS do better with a faster graphics card.
Your G850 is a very capable gaming chip. I suspect that you could buy the strongest graphics card you are willing to pay for, and be comfortable.

I think I would look first to the new 28nm based cards. They run cooler and take less power. Look at the 7xxx series, or even the GTX670.

To convince yourself of the viability of a much stronger graphics card, run this test:

Run your games, but lower your resolution and eye candy.
If your FPS increases, it indicates that your cpu is strong enough to drive a better graphics configuration.

I would not put too much value in overclocking a graphics card.
Vendors are wise to this, and have binned their chips, and put the best ones in factory overclocked versions so they can charge more for them. Better to buy a stronger card to begin with.
But... who knows, you might get lucky.

+1

The danger in using a lower-end CPU and monitor res is both usually end up bottlenecking a powerful GPU. Your Pentium is strong, so I imagine it will allow you to play pretty much any game well, but your GPU may perform slightly below expectations.

The reason I say this is because I have the same problem with my rig. I have an older low-end CPU paired with a mid-range GPU at 1440x900. I can crank every game up to Ultra and maintain decent framerates, but my average framerate is much lower than what I see in online benchmarks, and my minimum framerates are often very low - sometimes dipping into the teens. My CPU can't keep up with my GPU, and it ends up performing like a card 2 tiers lower - though it should have no problem maxing out everything at my resolution.

Of course, if you have the cash for one but not the other, go for the GPU first and upgrade to an i5 later. :)  I say an HD 7850 the best bang for your buck right now. And the modern architecture will probably give you an advantage in future games.
May 29, 2012 7:30:23 PM

I would buy hd 7850 but i need a new psu too so i think 560 ti 448 will be it
By the way to what cpu should i upgrade when i got the coin?
Would i5 2400 or i5 3450 be more than enough?
a c 291 U Graphics card
May 29, 2012 7:42:55 PM

Umm actually HD 7850 needs way less power than GTX 560 Ti 448. I'd recommend at least 500W quality brand for GTX 560 Ti 448, while you can get away with 400W for HD 7850.

i5 2400 is nice, however, i5 2500k holds much more potencial in itself, if you can afford it.
a c 269 U Graphics card
May 29, 2012 7:44:54 PM

tk33l7 said:
I would buy hd 7850 but i need a new psu too so i think 560 ti 448 will be it
By the way to what cpu should i upgrade when i got the coin?
Would i5 2400 or i5 3450 be more than enough?


The 7850 being a 28nm part, and more power efficient actually needs the same 500w psu that the gtx560ti needs.
For gaming, buy the best graphics card you can justify. The cpu is somewhat less important.

The 2400 and 3450 would both be excellent gaming chips.
May 29, 2012 8:07:59 PM

If overclocking, have to buy a new psu anyway so i think im going with 560 ti 448.
I think there is no point wasting money in 2500k if i cannot oc it because of my board.
But what about these 2400 and 3450 if they both cost same?
a b U Graphics card
May 29, 2012 9:04:57 PM

tk33l7 said:
If overclocking, have to buy a new psu anyway so i think im going with 560 ti 448.
I think there is no point wasting money in 2500k if i cannot oc it because of my board.
But what about these 2400 and 3450 if they both cost same?

If they both cost the same, buy the i5-3450 since it's newer (slightly better performance).
May 30, 2012 12:35:47 AM

I recommend the 7850. Can play all the latest games at Ultra setttings. And can be easily overclocked.

BTW The 500 series gpu price is decreasing because now that the 600 are released
a c 291 U Graphics card
May 30, 2012 5:03:38 AM

I would not upgrade the CPU to be honest. Not at least for a few years. You got a very capable chip.
May 30, 2012 6:22:34 AM

I think gtx 560 ti 448 is what i need. One last question. How much i could improve performance upgrading to i5 3450? Yesterday i looked at some benchmarks and g850 was just a step below i5 2400. In some games there even were no difference. But difference of the price is pretty big
a c 291 U Graphics card
May 30, 2012 6:27:15 AM

You would benefit on some games like Battlefield 3 on 64 player maps, but it would really be a waste of money to be honest to upgrade the CPU you have.

By the way, where are you from? At the moment, in the US, GTX 570 is cheaper than GTX 560 Ti 448, and is faster (it's at discount). Of course, if you are from other country, it might be different.
May 30, 2012 6:49:49 AM

Im from Europe.Well gtx 570 here is about 35% costier than gtx 560 ti 448. Im not playing any multiplayer games,so it means less job for cpu?
a c 291 U Graphics card
May 30, 2012 8:56:19 AM

Yes it does. If that's the case with pricing, GTX 560 Ti 448 is really your best option then. It's just abit slower than GTX 570, and if it's really cheaper, go for it! It will work like a charm for you :) 
May 30, 2012 9:34:21 AM

Well, then im going with gtx 560 ti 448 for sure.
Thanks to all of you for advice :) 
a c 291 U Graphics card
May 30, 2012 9:59:05 AM

Glad I helped :) .
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