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Anonymous
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April 13, 2005 3:38:05 AM

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A security application works by loading a driver when Win XP Pro SP2
loads, in 'normal mode'. IF Windows is started in 'safe mode' the
driver is not loaded, therefore, the security application is
by-passed.. However, there exists a way to force the driver to load
in 'safe mode' by adding some registry keys/values.

Can anyone guide me as to how to accomplish such tasks? (What registry
keys/values need to be inserted ?)

Thanks in advance.

Kugar
Anonymous
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April 13, 2005 3:41:02 AM

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If the url is still valid,you'd find the info at:
http://www.microsoft.com/WINDOWSXP/home/using/productdo...

"Admin" wrote:

> A security application works by loading a driver when Win XP Pro SP2
> loads, in 'normal mode'. IF Windows is started in 'safe mode' the
> driver is not loaded, therefore, the security application is
> by-passed.. However, there exists a way to force the driver to load
> in 'safe mode' by adding some registry keys/values.
>
> Can anyone guide me as to how to accomplish such tasks? (What registry
> keys/values need to be inserted ?)
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Kugar
>
>
>
April 13, 2005 5:54:09 AM

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Which program?

--
In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol: http://www.dts-l.org/

All the Best,
Kelly (MS-MVP)

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com


"Admin" <Net*man@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>A security application works by loading a driver when Win XP Pro SP2
> loads, in 'normal mode'. IF Windows is started in 'safe mode' the
> driver is not loaded, therefore, the security application is
> by-passed.. However, there exists a way to force the driver to load
> in 'safe mode' by adding some registry keys/values.
>
> Can anyone guide me as to how to accomplish such tasks? (What registry
> keys/values need to be inserted ?)
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Kugar
>
>
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Anonymous
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April 13, 2005 10:22:05 AM

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On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 01:54:09 -0500, "Kelly" <kelly@mvps.org> wrote:

>Which program?

FolderGuard
April 14, 2005 4:25:16 AM

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In news:r94p515bvsdeukpcm5kcq54crohcon8fko@4ax.com,
Admin <Net*man@yahoo.com> had this to say:

My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:

> A security application works by loading a driver when Win XP Pro SP2
> loads, in 'normal mode'. IF Windows is started in 'safe mode' the
> driver is not loaded, therefore, the security application is
> by-passed.. However, there exists a way to force the driver to load
> in 'safe mode' by adding some registry keys/values.
>
> Can anyone guide me as to how to accomplish such tasks? (What registry
> keys/values need to be inserted ?)
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Kugar

I don't think you can. Safe mode is just that, safe mode without the drivers
being loaded so that the operating system can be worked on or debugged.
Often (say to load your AV application) you can load it manually once you're
in safe mode but I don't think you can force an application to load during
safe mode if it's not something required by the OS. If it was allowed then
Norton would be even more trouble to uninstall. <g>

Galen
--
Signature changed for a moment of silence.
Rest well Alex and we'll see you on the other side.
Anonymous
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April 15, 2005 5:47:18 PM

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The area of the registry is HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\SafeBoot.
One branch is sans network support and the other has network support.

However, it would be ill advised to attempt to force a 3rd party service to
start in safe mode. In this specific instances there be dependant services
that aren't started as well as other issues. Your best bet is to take it up
with the vendor to supply the support rather than attempting to hack your
way into it.

--
Walter Clayton
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org


"Admin" <Net*man@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>A security application works by loading a driver when Win XP Pro SP2
> loads, in 'normal mode'. IF Windows is started in 'safe mode' the
> driver is not loaded, therefore, the security application is
> by-passed.. However, there exists a way to force the driver to load
> in 'safe mode' by adding some registry keys/values.
>
> Can anyone guide me as to how to accomplish such tasks? (What registry
> keys/values need to be inserted ?)
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Kugar
>
>
Anonymous
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April 15, 2005 9:47:00 PM

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On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 01:54:09 -0500, "Kelly" <kelly@mvps.org> wrote:

Hi Kelly,

You asked as to what program I was talking about, I posted a reply but
you did not post any follow up, in fact I do not have a solution to
the problem that I am looking to solve.

The ability to force loading of a driver in 'safe mode is a property
of the OS and not that of a particular application, that is the reason
I posted the question in this NG.

The developer of this application indicates that it has been
thoroughly tested and that the application is fully functional in
'safe mode but he would not care to give any details except that some
registry keys/values need to be added.

The solution applicable to this problem would potentially be a
solution for many other situations completely unrelated to this
application as such.

Please advise,

Thanks

Kugar
April 16, 2005 7:42:41 AM

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Will look more into this for you, Kugar.

--
In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol: http://www.dts-l.org/

All the Best,
Kelly (MS-MVP)

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com


"Admin" <Net*man@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 01:54:09 -0500, "Kelly" <kelly@mvps.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Kelly,
>
> You asked as to what program I was talking about, I posted a reply but
> you did not post any follow up, in fact I do not have a solution to
> the problem that I am looking to solve.
>
> The ability to force loading of a driver in 'safe mode is a property
> of the OS and not that of a particular application, that is the reason
> I posted the question in this NG.
>
> The developer of this application indicates that it has been
> thoroughly tested and that the application is fully functional in
> 'safe mode but he would not care to give any details except that some
> registry keys/values need to be added.
>
> The solution applicable to this problem would potentially be a
> solution for many other situations completely unrelated to this
> application as such.
>
> Please advise,
>
> Thanks
>
> Kugar
April 16, 2005 7:42:47 AM

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Great to see you here, Walter. :o )

--
In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol: http://www.dts-l.org/

All the Best,
Kelly (MS-MVP)

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com


"Walter Clayton" <w-claytonNO@SPmvps.AMorg> wrote in message
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> The area of the registry is
> HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\SafeBoot. One branch is sans network
> support and the other has network support.
>
> However, it would be ill advised to attempt to force a 3rd party service
> to start in safe mode. In this specific instances there be dependant
> services that aren't started as well as other issues. Your best bet is to
> take it up with the vendor to supply the support rather than attempting to
> hack your way into it.
>
> --
> Walter Clayton
> Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
> http://www.dts-l.org
>
>
> "Admin" <Net*man@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:r94p515bvsdeukpcm5kcq54crohcon8fko@4ax.com...
>>A security application works by loading a driver when Win XP Pro SP2
>> loads, in 'normal mode'. IF Windows is started in 'safe mode' the
>> driver is not loaded, therefore, the security application is
>> by-passed.. However, there exists a way to force the driver to load
>> in 'safe mode' by adding some registry keys/values.
>>
>> Can anyone guide me as to how to accomplish such tasks? (What registry
>> keys/values need to be inserted ?)
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Kugar
>>
>>
>
>
Anonymous
a b 8 Security
April 16, 2005 12:41:37 PM

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On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:47:18 -0400, "Walter Clayton"
<w-claytonNO@SPmvps.AMorg> wrote:

>The area of the registry is HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\SafeBoot.
>One branch is sans network support and the other has network support.
>
>However, it would be ill advised to attempt to force a 3rd party service to
>start in safe mode. In this specific instances there be dependant services
>that aren't started as well as other issues. Your best bet is to take it up
>with the vendor to supply the support rather than attempting to hack your
>way into it.


You are right, but as I indicated in a previous post, the vendor says
the application is thorougly tested under safemode as to be able to
run without causing any problem but the vendor would not care to say
anymore than it needs manual addition of some registry entries to make
the driver load in safemode.

Kugar
Anonymous
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April 16, 2005 5:11:03 PM

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"Admin" <Net*man@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:47:18 -0400, "Walter Clayton"
> <w-claytonNO@SPmvps.AMorg> wrote:
>
>>The area of the registry is
>>HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\SafeBoot.
>>One branch is sans network support and the other has network support.
>>
>>However, it would be ill advised to attempt to force a 3rd party service
>>to
>>start in safe mode. In this specific instances there be dependant services
>>that aren't started as well as other issues. Your best bet is to take it
>>up
>>with the vendor to supply the support rather than attempting to hack your
>>way into it.
>
>
> You are right, but as I indicated in a previous post, the vendor says
> the application is thorougly tested under safemode as to be able to
> run without causing any problem but the vendor would not care to say
> anymore than it needs manual addition of some registry entries to make
> the driver load in safemode.
>
> Kugar

....and they fail to provide said registry entries?
If they have, in fact, tested it in safe mode without ill effects, then I
have to question why they are reticent to post the registry entries on their
web site, or send them to you via e-mail. If they know what the requirements
are and they continue to fail to supply the 'hack', I'd have to really and
truly question their claims with regard safe mode. Hacking things blindly by
yourself is just as likely to hose safe mode which is not a good thing.

I'm tempted to say to tell them to provide the registry files or a refund,
their choice.

--
Walter Clayton
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
April 18, 2005 5:46:41 AM

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Most interesting and ditto on Walter's Q's.

--
In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol: http://www.dts-l.org/

All the Best,
Kelly (MS-MVP)

Troubleshooting Windows XP
http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com


"Walter Clayton" <w-claytonNO@SPmvpsAM.org> wrote in message
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> "Admin" <Net*man@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:rpv161hkctvnuactrij2o1g26ncd907ckq@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:47:18 -0400, "Walter Clayton"
>> <w-claytonNO@SPmvps.AMorg> wrote:
>>
>>>The area of the registry is
>>>HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\SafeBoot.
>>>One branch is sans network support and the other has network support.
>>>
>>>However, it would be ill advised to attempt to force a 3rd party service
>>>to
>>>start in safe mode. In this specific instances there be dependant
>>>services
>>>that aren't started as well as other issues. Your best bet is to take it
>>>up
>>>with the vendor to supply the support rather than attempting to hack your
>>>way into it.
>>
>>
>> You are right, but as I indicated in a previous post, the vendor says
>> the application is thorougly tested under safemode as to be able to
>> run without causing any problem but the vendor would not care to say
>> anymore than it needs manual addition of some registry entries to make
>> the driver load in safemode.
>>
>> Kugar
>
> ...and they fail to provide said registry entries?
> If they have, in fact, tested it in safe mode without ill effects, then I
> have to question why they are reticent to post the registry entries on
> their web site, or send them to you via e-mail. If they know what the
> requirements are and they continue to fail to supply the 'hack', I'd have
> to really and truly question their claims with regard safe mode. Hacking
> things blindly by yourself is just as likely to hose safe mode which is
> not a good thing.
>
> I'm tempted to say to tell them to provide the registry files or a refund,
> their choice.
>
> --
> Walter Clayton
> Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
>
>
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