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Anonymous
August 20, 2005 3:54:31 AM

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If you are doing a shoot and want to swap lenses what is the best order
to take things off and put things on?

I am thinking about lens cover, lens cap (or whatever it is called. It
is the thing that covers the end of the lens with the hole, no glass).

For example, if I have a Long Lens on my camera and want to change it
for a Short Lens:

1 Put on Lens cover on LL
2 Take of Lens Cap on SL
3 Take off LL and put the Lens Cap onto it
4 Put LL into pocket
5 Put SL onto Camera
6 Take off Lens Cover on SL

It is difficult sometimes when standing up. Especially I am concerned
about things falling into the holes of my lens and camera. I want to
have 3 arms at times...
Anonymous
August 20, 2005 4:26:49 AM

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"n" <total_utter_carp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> If you are doing a shoot and want to swap lenses what is the best order
> to take things off and put things on?
>
> I am thinking about lens cover, lens cap (or whatever it is called. It
> is the thing that covers the end of the lens with the hole, no glass).
>
> For example, if I have a Long Lens on my camera and want to change it
> for a Short Lens:
>
> 1 Put on Lens cover on LL
> 2 Take of Lens Cap on SL
> 3 Take off LL and put the Lens Cap onto it
> 4 Put LL into pocket
> 5 Put SL onto Camera
> 6 Take off Lens Cover on SL
>
> It is difficult sometimes when standing up. Especially I am concerned
> about things falling into the holes of my lens and camera. I want to
> have 3 arms at times...

It depends on the wind/sand/dust conditions, and what you've got with you
for temporary wind protection, places to set things, etc.

Personally, lens changing is one reason I really prefer LowePro's hip bags,
like the Orion. Since it is on your waist (in back, front, or side if you
need it), you can take off the camera lens adn fiddle without another
surface to set things.

If conditions are easy and/or I'm not rushed, I remove the lens and set it
hole-UP in the bag, take the cap off the new lens while still in the
bag...immediately screw it onto the lens I just dismounted. Then mount the
new lens.

IF...on the other hand, it is very windy, and/or dusty, I instead remove the
camera's lens and quickly place it in my bag hole-DOWN, to reduce the
opportunity for dust/crud to enter the hole. I then pull out the new lens
and remove the cap while holding it hole-down (or away from the wind) and
put it immediately on the camera. The first lens will now sit in the bag
hole-down, and free from dust, and I have now closed the top flap on the
bag.

If you're not used to a hip bag, I find it to be by far the most convenient
both for carrying heavy kits with the least struggle, and also for providing
a "work surface" in front of me without need for any other spots to place
things.

This is the bag I'm talking about (B&H link):
http://tinyurl.com/a679a

-Mark²
Anonymous
August 20, 2005 12:26:35 PM

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n <total_utter_carp@yahoo.com> wrote:

: For example, if I have a Long Lens on my camera and want to change it
: for a Short Lens:

: 1 Put on Lens cover on LL
: 2 Take of Lens Cap on SL
: 3 Take off LL and put the Lens Cap onto it
: 4 Put LL into pocket
: 5 Put SL onto Camera
: 6 Take off Lens Cover on SL

: It is difficult sometimes when standing up. Especially I am concerned
: about things falling into the holes of my lens and camera. I want to
: have 3 arms at times...

First I agree that three (or more) hands would be very useful. But since
you mention a pocket this will help. I use my camera case instead. It can
either be slung over my sholder or on my belt, making it an easy place to
put something momentarily.

First to clarify the beginning situation. The camera body is in hand and
the long lens (LL) is on it with no covers. In the pocket you have a short
lens (SL) with a front cover (fc) on the end that will face away from the
body, and a back cover (bc) on the end that will fit into the body. If you
have everything in the right place at the right time the amount of time
that either the camera or the lens(es) will be open to contamination will
be reduced.

First I place the fc on the LL.
Then I position the SL in the pocket with the back end up.
I remove the bc from the SL in the pocket.
Remove the LL from the camera body and either hold it in the same hand as
the camera body or place it in a pocket or open camera case, back end up.
Next take the SL from the pocket and trade it for the LL in the hand (skip
if the LL is in a pocket). And place the LL in the pocket, bottom up.
Then I install the SL on the camera.
Last I put the bc on the LL in the pocket.

Now if I have two pockets or other holders for the two lenses I have
changed the order slightly in that I do not remove the bc from the SL
until the LL is in the second pocket, and just transfer the bc from one
lens to another (as they should be interchangeable).
So in this case I would remove LL, place it in pocket, transfer bc,
install SL and done.

One thing that is common to both I generally keep the fc on both lenses
for the entire operation. So the first step should always be install fc on
whatever lens is on the camera and the last step would be to uncover the
new lens after it is fully installed.

My favorite method is the two pocket routine as I am not juggling lenses
and the lens bc is uncovered and exposed the shortest time. And if I am
not juggling lenses I can hold my hand over the opening in the camera body
while working with the lenses with the other hand.

Randy

==========
Randy Berbaum
Champaign, IL
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Anonymous
August 20, 2005 1:25:07 PM

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In article <1124520871.921346.154020@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"n" <total_utter_carp@yahoo.com> wrote:

> If you are doing a shoot and want to swap lenses what is the best order
> to take things off and put things on?
>
> I am thinking about lens cover, lens cap (or whatever it is called. It
> is the thing that covers the end of the lens with the hole, no glass).
>
> For example, if I have a Long Lens on my camera and want to change it
> for a Short Lens:
>
> 1 Put on Lens cover on LL
> 2 Take of Lens Cap on SL
> 3 Take off LL and put the Lens Cap onto it
> 4 Put LL into pocket
> 5 Put SL onto Camera
> 6 Take off Lens Cover on SL
>
> It is difficult sometimes when standing up. Especially I am concerned
> about things falling into the holes of my lens and camera. I want to
> have 3 arms at times...

Whatever works best for you. I don't think it really matters as long as
it works best for you.
Anonymous
August 20, 2005 4:15:32 PM

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Normally I like to have a flat surface to use as the
third hand when swapping. (table, chair, ground).
But I might use the camera bag for the same purpose.
During the process the frontcaps are fitted.

Procedure :
1. Get the lens to put on ready. (Bag or surface).
Loosen the backcap.
2. Take of the lens of the body, body facing downwards.
Place the lens on the flat surface or in the camerabag.
3. The backcap moves from one lens to the other.
4. Put the new lens on the body.
5. If not done allready fasten the backcap on the removed
lens, and posittion the lens in the camerabag in the correct
position.

I try to keep the body pointing downward during the swap.
And try to avoid dusty places, but also crowded places.

Nikon had the backlenscap turning in the 'wrong' way.
So the direction for open and close is oposite the way
you turn a screw, lid or most things which you can open
and close with turning. You get used to this but this will
always take another fraction of a second extra.

ben

"n" <total_utter_carp@yahoo.com> schreef in bericht news:1124520871.921346.154020@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> If you are doing a shoot and want to swap lenses what is the best order
> to take things off and put things on?
>
> I am thinking about lens cover, lens cap (or whatever it is called. It
> is the thing that covers the end of the lens with the hole, no glass).
>
> For example, if I have a Long Lens on my camera and want to change it
> for a Short Lens:
>
> 1 Put on Lens cover on LL
> 2 Take of Lens Cap on SL
> 3 Take off LL and put the Lens Cap onto it
> 4 Put LL into pocket
> 5 Put SL onto Camera
> 6 Take off Lens Cover on SL
>
> It is difficult sometimes when standing up. Especially I am concerned
> about things falling into the holes of my lens and camera. I want to
> have 3 arms at times...
>
Anonymous
August 20, 2005 4:15:33 PM

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Ben Brugman wrote:
> Normally I like to have a flat surface to use as the
> third hand when swapping. (table, chair, ground).
> But I might use the camera bag for the same purpose.
> During the process the frontcaps are fitted.
>
> Procedure :
> 1. Get the lens to put on ready. (Bag or surface).
> Loosen the backcap.
> 2. Take of the lens of the body, body facing downwards.
> Place the lens on the flat surface or in the camerabag.
> 3. The backcap moves from one lens to the other.
> 4. Put the new lens on the body.
> 5. If not done allready fasten the backcap on the removed
> lens, and posittion the lens in the camerabag in the correct
> position.
>
> I try to keep the body pointing downward during the swap.
> And try to avoid dusty places, but also crowded places.
>

<snip>

That's the way!

If things are calm and collected enough, I try to blast the dust off
the exposed surfaces (gravity-friendly position) with a king-size
Giotto Rocket just before closing them up.

Once in a while there may be too much of a rush, and all bets are off.
Just as in making your exposures, it's best to take care of options at
first opportunity, but sometimes cleanup is the only way to get the
picture.

--
Frank ess
August 20, 2005 5:17:40 PM

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On 19 Aug 2005 23:54:31 -0700, "n" <total_utter_carp@yahoo.com> wrote:

> If you are doing a shoot and want to swap lenses what is the best order
> to take things off and put things on?
>
> I am thinking about lens cover, lens cap (or whatever it is called. It
> is the thing that covers the end of the lens with the hole, no glass).
>
> For example, if I have a Long Lens on my camera and want to change it
> for a Short Lens:
>
> 1 Put on Lens cover on LL
> 2 Take of Lens Cap on SL
> 3 Take off LL and put the Lens Cap onto it
> 4 Put LL into pocket
> 5 Put SL onto Camera
> 6 Take off Lens Cover on SL
>
> It is difficult sometimes when standing up. Especially I am concerned
> about things falling into the holes of my lens and camera. I want to
> have 3 arms at times...

(1) Turn camera OFF.
Anonymous
August 20, 2005 5:17:41 PM

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<grumpy@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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> On 19 Aug 2005 23:54:31 -0700, "n" <total_utter_carp@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> If you are doing a shoot and want to swap lenses what is the best order
>> to take things off and put things on?
>>
>> I am thinking about lens cover, lens cap (or whatever it is called. It
>> is the thing that covers the end of the lens with the hole, no glass).
>>
>> For example, if I have a Long Lens on my camera and want to change it
>> for a Short Lens:
>>
>> 1 Put on Lens cover on LL
>> 2 Take of Lens Cap on SL
>> 3 Take off LL and put the Lens Cap onto it
>> 4 Put LL into pocket
>> 5 Put SL onto Camera
>> 6 Take off Lens Cover on SL
>>
>> It is difficult sometimes when standing up. Especially I am concerned
>> about things falling into the holes of my lens and camera. I want to
>> have 3 arms at times...
>
> (1) Turn camera OFF.

No need for this.
Anonymous
August 20, 2005 7:46:03 PM

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n wrote:

> If you are doing a shoot and want to swap lenses what is the best order
> to take things off and put things on?
>
> I am thinking about lens cover, lens cap (or whatever it is called. It
> is the thing that covers the end of the lens with the hole, no glass).
>
> For example, if I have a Long Lens on my camera and want to change it
> for a Short Lens:
>
> 1 Put on Lens cover on LL
> 2 Take of Lens Cap on SL
> 3 Take off LL and put the Lens Cap onto it
> 4 Put LL into pocket
> 5 Put SL onto Camera
> 6 Take off Lens Cover on SL

Holy smokes.. I just take one lens off and put the other
one on.

Have you got your method for getting out of bed in the
morning charted too :-)
Anonymous
August 20, 2005 7:46:04 PM

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"Jim Townsend" <not@real.address> wrote in message
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>n wrote:
>
>> If you are doing a shoot and want to swap lenses what is the best order
>> to take things off and put things on?
>>
>> I am thinking about lens cover, lens cap (or whatever it is called. It
>> is the thing that covers the end of the lens with the hole, no glass).
>>
>> For example, if I have a Long Lens on my camera and want to change it
>> for a Short Lens:
>>
>> 1 Put on Lens cover on LL
>> 2 Take of Lens Cap on SL
>> 3 Take off LL and put the Lens Cap onto it
>> 4 Put LL into pocket
>> 5 Put SL onto Camera
>> 6 Take off Lens Cover on SL
>
> Holy smokes.. I just take one lens off and put the other
> one on.
>
> Have you got your method for getting out of bed in the
> morning charted too :-)

Perhaps you don't care about little blobs in your images, but many here
do.As dust on sensors is a real problem, the way people change lenses
becomes important. The manner in which you change lenses makes a very
significant difference in addressing/preventing the problem.

To get out of bed:
1) Set alarm
2) Remember to turn alarm mode to: ON
3) When alarm sounds, hit snooze.
4) When snooze alarm sounds, hit SNOOZE again.
5) Repeat steps 3 and 4 as necessary.
:) 
Anonymous
August 21, 2005 12:25:13 AM

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Buy a 2nd body :) 

There is no set procedure in changing lens, just do the ones you are most
comfortable with.
And don't forget to face your camera down everytime you are changing lens
[ DSLR n SLR inclusive ]

=bob=

"n" <total_utter_carp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> If you are doing a shoot and want to swap lenses what is the best order
> to take things off and put things on?
Anonymous
August 21, 2005 5:23:15 AM

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"Mark?" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote:

>"n" <total_utter_carp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:1124520871.921346.154020@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> If you are doing a shoot and want to swap lenses what is the best order
>> to take things off and put things on?
>>
>> I am thinking about lens cover, lens cap (or whatever it is called. It
>> is the thing that covers the end of the lens with the hole, no glass).
>>
>> For example, if I have a Long Lens on my camera and want to change it
>> for a Short Lens:
>>
>> 1 Put on Lens cover on LL
>> 2 Take of Lens Cap on SL
>> 3 Take off LL and put the Lens Cap onto it
>> 4 Put LL into pocket
>> 5 Put SL onto Camera
>> 6 Take off Lens Cover on SL
>>
>> It is difficult sometimes when standing up. Especially I am concerned
>> about things falling into the holes of my lens and camera. I want to
>> have 3 arms at times...

>It depends on the wind/sand/dust conditions, and what you've got with you
>for temporary wind protection, places to set things, etc.

>Personally, lens changing is one reason I really prefer LowePro's hip bags,
>like the Orion. Since it is on your waist (in back, front, or side if you
>need it), you can take off the camera lens adn fiddle without another
>surface to set things.

>If conditions are easy and/or I'm not rushed, I remove the lens and set it
>hole-UP in the bag, take the cap off the new lens while still in the
>bag...immediately screw it onto the lens I just dismounted. Then mount the
>new lens.

>IF...on the other hand, it is very windy, and/or dusty, I instead remove the
>camera's lens and quickly place it in my bag hole-DOWN, to reduce the
>opportunity for dust/crud to enter the hole. I then pull out the new lens
>and remove the cap while holding it hole-down (or away from the wind) and
>put it immediately on the camera. The first lens will now sit in the bag
>hole-down, and free from dust, and I have now closed the top flap on the
>bag.

>If you're not used to a hip bag, I find it to be by far the most convenient
>both for carrying heavy kits with the least struggle, and also for providing
>a "work surface" in front of me without need for any other spots to place
>things.

>This is the bag I'm talking about (B&H link):
> http://tinyurl.com/a679a

>-Mark?

When dealing with a dSLR, I prefer to leave the camera open
for as short a time as possible. Cleaning lenses is trivial
compared to cleaning sensors.

Nevertheless, a third hand *is* almost mandatory for such
things.

----- Paul J. Gans
Anonymous
August 22, 2005 10:08:06 AM

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Frank ess <frank@fshe2fs.com> wrote:

>If things are calm and collected enough, I try to blast the dust off
>the exposed surfaces (gravity-friendly position) with a king-size
>Giotto Rocket just before closing them up.

I usually try to blow and wipe all the surfaces of the camera
and currently-mounted lens before taking it off, too. Keeping
the body facing down after blowing dust off will hopefully
avoid dust getting to the camera. As the previous poster said,
cleaning lenses is a breeze compared to cleaning the sensor.

--
Ken Tough
Anonymous
August 23, 2005 2:08:13 PM

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Mark² wrote:
<< Snipped bits out >>


http://www.pbase.com/markuson/image/47616297


I still have 400 messages to skim, so perhaps you already answered, but
if not, could you tell me more about this image, particularly scale?

--
John McWilliams
Anonymous
August 23, 2005 2:35:16 PM

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"John McWilliams" <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> Mark² wrote:
> << Snipped bits out >>
>
>
> http://www.pbase.com/markuson/image/47616297
>
>
> I still have 400 messages to skim, so perhaps you already answered, but if
> not, could you tell me more about this image, particularly scale?
>
> --
> John McWilliams

The 1 second exposure indication offers a clue, though not the scale...
That shot shows about a two-foot-high section of wet rock, with the eb and
flow of recently broken waves on the Oregon coast...now reduced to a bit of
foam as they advance and recede next to the rock...the water being about 4
inches deep at most. It's a different look, and is as I hoped it would be.
It is understandably a bit perplexing without more info/scale. Oh...and
that plastic-ish look to the lower rock is accurate. It had this strange,
slick look to it with the diffused, even after-sun-down light through the
mist/fog, though it wasn't actually slick.

(I should have asked you to guess first...)
:) 
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