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July 25, 2012 4:09:45 AM

Heyoo

Well, I had planned on building a new system back in February/March, but due to some stuff coming up I had to put it off... And now I have a well-paying job, so I'm itching to spend the new cash!


Approximate Purchase Date: It'll be 6 weeks before I have the money.

Budget Range: 2,000 USD max, estimated. I'm not really sure of my exact budget.. 1,500-2,000 max definitely, though.

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, streaming while gaming, recording gameplay while streaming while gaming, editing music and video (possibly while gaming), general stuff.

Are you buying a monitor: No.

Parts to Upgrade: Everything except for monitors.

Do you need to buy OS: Yes.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: No -real- preference. I've just always ordered off of Newegg because it's reliable, well-known, and has nice rebates and such.

Location: Northeastern Tennessee... Don't think there'll be any store deals :p 

Parts Preferences: Again, no -real- preference. I'm looking for quality. Only preference I have is Intel CPU (I'm running an AMD right now; want to experience Intel).

Overclocking: Yes

SLI or Crossfire: Yes.

Your Monitor Resolution: 5760 x 1080 (3x 23" 1920x1080 already purchased)

Additional Comments: Ahh yes. I get to ramble now! :p 

First, the GPU. I've always had Radeon cards. My first build used a 4850, and then I upgraded it to a 6870. I don't care which card I use based on the company -- I just want the quality. Using this article I've come up with getting 2x 7950's for the build. However, like I just said, that isn't solid. If the equivalent/similarly priced nvidia is better, I'll grab those. I just dunno which to go with (2x 7950 or 2x 580s).

Cooling-- I've always wanted to try out water cooling, and I feel like this build will be the one to do it in. I've read some "water cooling for beginners" stuff, but don't know what exactly to get or who to get it from. I also need a new case. I saw this video about the Fractal Design Define R4 that looked sweet, but I dunno what exactly to look for in a case for water cooling. Recommendations and reviews very welcome. :D 

CPU-- I was looking at the Intel i7-2600k for my last build.. I dunno if that's still the best option, however, after the release of ivy bridge.

Drives-- I'm wanting to get an SSD (thinking about this one). Also want a new harddrive (I'm afraid this one is about to go through the stages of death). Not sure how large I need, though. Terabytes are pretty cheap now, so I'll probably grab a 2tb. Any recommendations?

Mobo-- I've never really known what to look for in a mobo. I just know not to skimp on them. Was looking at this one for my last build, but I'm thinking I could probably (and should) get a better mobo.

Miscellaneous-- I've never had a discrete sound card, so I was looking at this one. But that was for a lower budget. I'm gonna be doing music editing/production for bands and videos. Anyone have any opinions on sound cards?

Also, as far as RAM... I'm thinking 8gb should be enough, but I don't know if video editing would benefit from 16gb enough to warrant buying that much? I know RAM is cheap, but I'd like to not buy stuff just to say I have it. I also don't know the best speed to get for this build.

Peripherals-- My peripherals aren't really showing signs of wear, but with such a badass new system, why not get new badass peripherals? I'm currently running a Logitech G11 keyboard (waste of my money.. Never could get the macros to work in-game lol), and a Logitech MX Revolution mouse, with TurtleBeach PX 21's (another waste of money.. Less than a year of pampering them <never laid them on the ground, also laid them down gently> and they're shorting just like my first pair). I know there's a lot of Razer love/fanboy-ism, but I hear a lot of bad about their products, which seem overpriced. That doesn't mean I won't consider them, though.

I prefer wired keyboard + mouse. Never had wireless headset, so I don't know much about them. I'd prefer not to pay for stuff I won't use, like 12 extra buttons on my mouse like a Razer Naga (a couple are fine). I love my Revolution's second mouse wheel (acts as 3 different keystrokes), but I definitely do not need 12 extra keys.

I've been quite interested in a mechanical keyboard, as well, but do not really know which to look at.

Headset I'm not too sure on either. I'm sort of an audiophile (sound quality is important to me), so I don't know if I want to get a pair of non-gaming headphones and a separate microphone, or just get a really good gaming headset.

Finally, if the case I go for has a window, I prefer green lights (sick of blue for now :p ) and will be using green (or a color that goes with green) tubing for the watercooling... Any recommendations on where to pick up some lights (since no cases are stock with green :p ) and what brands (if any) to opt for?

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: I built this computer 4.5-5 years ago. It's starting to die and I'm wanting to really work on my hobbies/passions (music, professional gaming <go ahead and laugh :p >) which are being hindered by a failing system.


Sorry for rambling on so much. I just like being as clear as possible. If I've forgotten anything, please let me know and I'll add it in asap. Thanks for reading!
a b 4 Gaming
July 25, 2012 4:19:19 AM

Question. Is water cooling in the budget? And do you intend to do a part by part water cooling build? Will the graphics cards be in the water cooling loop?
July 25, 2012 4:22:32 AM

Not to be a thorn in your side, but if you take the time to read the tens if not hundreds of posts around here, you'll have all your answers because there's at least 30 people doing the same thing you are and asking the same questions...
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July 25, 2012 4:28:16 AM

cmcghee358 said:
Question. Is water cooling in the budget? And do you intend to do a part by part water cooling build? Will the graphics cards be in the water cooling loop?

I'm honestly not sure if I should include the cooling in the budget. From looking at it prior, it seems like it adds a good bit of cost. That said, I'm allowing myself a couple hundred of wiggle room due to the cooling and other things.

As for the gpu's, I intend(ed) for them to be in the loop. However, I'm not 100% sure how I would do sli/xfire cards in a loop.

dingo07 said:
Not to be a thorn in your side, but if you take the time to read the tens if not hundreds of posts around here, you'll have all your answers because there's at least 30 people doing the same thing you are and asking the same questions...

No thorn at all. I understand where you're coming from. In fact, I did read quite a few similarly budgeted threads. However, they're almost all for gaming only. While I emphasize gaming, the video and music editing will be quite a large part of my load as well.
July 25, 2012 4:37:30 AM

Deakon said:
...No thorn at all. I understand where you're coming from. In fact, I did read quite a few similarly budgeted threads. However, they're almost all for gaming only. While I emphasize gaming, the video and music editing will be quite a large part of my load as well.

The difference in performance of components doesn't vary that much, unless you are serious and want dead performance because time = money. All you need to have for the video/music stuff is a min of 16GB ram, for all intents and purposes you could build the same gaming rigs others are buildinig.
July 25, 2012 11:45:48 PM

Alright. I guess I'll just revisit some threads, and post up in water cooling forums maybe.
a c 247 4 Gaming
July 26, 2012 12:10:20 AM

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First, the GPU. I've always had Radeon cards. My first build used a 4850, and then I upgraded it to a 6870. I don't care which card I use based on the company -- I just want the quality. Using this article I've come up with getting 2x 7950's for the build. However, like I just said, that isn't solid. If the equivalent/similarly priced nvidia is better, I'll grab those. I just dunno which to go with (2x 7950 or 2x 580s).


Why would you get 2 x 580 when you could get 2 x 670 or 680 and use 1/2 the power?

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Cooling-- I've always wanted to try out water cooling, and I feel like this build will be the one to do it in. I've read some "water cooling for beginners" stuff, but don't know what exactly to get or who to get it from. I also need a new case. I saw this video about the Fractal Design Define R4 that looked sweet, but I dunno what exactly to look for in a case for water cooling. Recommendations and reviews very welcome. :D 


This article will give you some good ideas: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/switch-810-cosmos-i...

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Drives-- I'm wanting to get an SSD (thinking about this one). Also want a new harddrive (I'm afraid this one is about to go through the stages of death). Not sure how large I need, though. Terabytes are pretty cheap now, so I'll probably grab a 2tb. Any recommendations?


HD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
SSD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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Finally, if the case I go for has a window, I prefer green lights (sick of blue for now :p ) and will be using green (or a color that goes with green) tubing for the watercooling... Any recommendations on where to pick up some lights (since no cases are stock with green :p ) and what brands (if any) to opt for?


I personally wouldn't spend the money on that kind of stuff - there's other things you can do that will benefit your system besides the lighting.
July 26, 2012 2:02:54 AM

g-unit1111 said:
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First, the GPU. I've always had Radeon cards. My first build used a 4850, and then I upgraded it to a 6870. I don't care which card I use based on the company -- I just want the quality. Using this article I've come up with getting 2x 7950's for the build. However, like I just said, that isn't solid. If the equivalent/similarly priced nvidia is better, I'll grab those. I just dunno which to go with (2x 7950 or 2x 580s).


Why would you get 2 x 580 when you could get 2 x 670 or 680 and use 1/2 the power?
Well, that's why I made this thread... Get some different view points on things. I was just using the hierarchy chart to compare equal/similar cards of both Nvidia and Radeon. Though, after reading some more articles today I think I'm gonna run 2x 7950's.


Thanks for the other links as well. The case is gonna be a hard choice for me. haha
Anonymous
July 26, 2012 2:04:41 AM

i7 is overkill. i5 if you don't need the hyperthreading.
a b 4 Gaming
July 26, 2012 2:32:43 AM

He needs hyperthreading. Did you not see all the multitasking and highly threaded apps he will be running?
July 26, 2012 4:12:02 AM

cmcghee358 said:
He needs hyperthreading. Did you not see all the multitasking and highly threaded apps he will be running?

Thanks for replying for me. :p  I've been distracted from the thread by looking at hdd's, mobos, and cases.

Speaking of which, I don't even know what to look for in a mobo. I looked through the motherboard forums, and I've gathered that I should be getting a Z77. But That's about all I've gotten. :sweat:  Anyone willing to let me know what I should be looking for in the mobo? I'll link what I've put together so far at the end of this reply for compatibility comparisons.

For cases, I've pretty much decided on the Fractal Design Define XL, unless someone knows some bad juju on this case that I should know. :p 


The build so far


All that's left to do is figure out how much wattage I need on my PSU and figure up what all I need to put my cooling system together. Looks like I'll be right at budget cap! Thanks for the responses guys! :D 
a c 247 4 Gaming
July 26, 2012 4:49:01 AM

Deakon said:
Thanks for replying for me. :p  I've been distracted from the thread by looking at hdd's, mobos, and cases.

Speaking of which, I don't even know what to look for in a mobo. I looked through the motherboard forums, and I've gathered that I should be getting a Z77. But That's about all I've gotten. :sweat:  Anyone willing to let me know what I should be looking for in the mobo? I'll link what I've put together so far at the end of this reply for compatibility comparisons.

For cases, I've pretty much decided on the Fractal Design Define XL, unless someone knows some bad juju on this case that I should know. :p 


The build so far


All that's left to do is figure out how much wattage I need on my PSU and figure up what all I need to put my cooling system together. Looks like I'll be right at budget cap! Thanks for the responses guys! :D 


That Fractal Design case is pretty sweet. I would go for it. The only thing is it doesn't have top vents for a liquid radiator, you might want to check this out instead: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

For that system, I'd recommend this for your motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

You can drop the sound card, that's not needed. However, both of your 7950's have to be the exact same model due to VRAM frequencies and drivers.
a b 4 Gaming
July 26, 2012 6:57:43 AM

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However, both of your 7950's have to be the exact same model due to VRAM frequencies and drivers.


Uh what?

a b 4 Gaming
July 26, 2012 7:00:51 AM

To CF/SLI, they have to have the same number of cores and same vRAM.
a b 4 Gaming
July 26, 2012 12:01:28 PM

That is an nVidia limitation. Since when is it an AMD limitation?

July 26, 2012 3:52:59 PM

g-unit1111 said:
That Fractal Design case is pretty sweet. I would go for it. The only thing is it doesn't have top vents for a liquid radiator, you might want to check this out instead: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

For that system, I'd recommend this for your motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

You can drop the sound card, that's not needed. However, both of your 7950's have to be the exact same model due to VRAM frequencies and drivers.

I originally saw two videos for the Fractal Design Define R4... the XL is the only full tower case they have, and is quite sexy itself. :p 

Is the front fan area not a good spot for the radiator? I was considering doing what they did in their demo of the R4 and taking those fans out then mounting the radiator there. The airflow was a concern to me, but it has perforations for ventilation all down the side... So, I don't know.

Can you explain why that mobo? I see the z77, but what other features are what make it the mobo to get?

And, I know the sound card isn't necessary.. but I've never had a discrete sound card and want to see the difference in quality having one gives (hopefully a good, noticeable difference haha).
a c 247 4 Gaming
July 26, 2012 4:08:48 PM

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Can you explain why that mobo? I see the z77, but what other features are what make it the mobo to get?


That motherboard is an upgrade from the one I have - it has a few nice extras like dual LAN, rapid start, GPU virtualization, 3-D BIOS, support for 32GB RAM, mSATA, lots of other cool stuff.

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And, I know the sound card isn't necessary.. but I've never had a discrete sound card and want to see the difference in quality having one gives (hopefully a good, noticeable difference haha).


Unless you're like a hardcore audiophile you won't notice it.

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That is an nVidia limitation. Since when is it an AMD limitation?


That's pretty much a universal limitation - I know for a fact it's an NVIDIA limitation because if it's not the exact same cores then it goes into PhysX mode instead of true SLI mode.
a b 4 Gaming
July 26, 2012 9:27:09 PM

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That's pretty much a universal limitation - I know for a fact it's an NVIDIA limitation because if it's not the exact same cores then it goes into PhysX mode instead of true SLI mode.


Feel free to look at my sig.

I'm running a 5870 @ 850/1200

I'm also running both GPUs of my 5970 @ 725/1000

By looking at AMD's specifications for each:

5870 specs

5970 specs

You can clearly see a vast difference in Stream Processing Units, Texture Units, Z/Stencil ROP Units, and Color ROP Units. Even dividing the 5970s in half to account for dual GPUs.

I run my Trifire setup just fine. You can also find on this: Crossfire compatibility chart How obvious it is that different cards, with different specifications can function quite naturally in a Crossfire set up.

July 27, 2012 3:15:38 AM

g-unit1111 said:
Quote:
Can you explain why that mobo? I see the z77, but what other features are what make it the mobo to get?


That motherboard is an upgrade from the one I have - it has a few nice extras like dual LAN, rapid start, GPU virtualization, 3-D BIOS, support for 32GB RAM, mSATA, lots of other cool stuff.
Ahh I see. So just a bunch of flair. :p  Thanks for the recommendation, and explanation. I don't really need a bunch of whirlygigs for my mobo, so I think I'm gonna look at a couple others, but it seems most mobos just have a bunch of "cool factor" features. Seems sort of like a personal taste choice. But then again, I could be compleeetely wrong. :p 

g-unit1111 said:
Quote:
And, I know the sound card isn't necessary.. but I've never had a discrete sound card and want to see the difference in quality having one gives (hopefully a good, noticeable difference haha).


Unless you're like a hardcore audiophile you won't notice it.
I dunno if I'd call myself a hardcore audiophile, but I can tell differences in quality. And bad/lower quality annoys me greatly. :[ I'm also just generally interested in discrete sound cards. :p 


Another question for everyone... MSATA ssd, or 6Gb/s ssd?
a b 4 Gaming
July 27, 2012 3:28:03 AM

I don't see any reason to get MSATA SSD on a desktop.

Stick to a SATA III SSD. I would avoid OCZ. They're stuff seems to have reliability issues.
July 29, 2012 1:12:41 AM

cmcghee358 said:
I don't see any reason to get MSATA SSD on a desktop.
I've had a couple people suggest getting it for a more solitary os/"important file" cache. *shrug* It sounded a little weird to me, so I thought I'd ask here to get more opinions.

cmcghee358 said:
I would avoid OCZ. They're stuff seems to have reliability issues.

I can actually sort of vouch for that statement. Have an OCZ psu. It died after 1-2 months of running my brand new build. It was a 900w, but they sent me back a 950w, which was cool I guess. haha

I'm also running some of their RAM.. I can't comment on its quality because I'm not an IT guy (my computer feels like it's headed to its deathbed soon and my uneducated guess is the cpu or ram are dying...). But I will say that it's 1333 MHz and never would run above 800 (I tried changing it in my bios a couple times and each time it prevented my computer from POSTing so I gave up).




New questions, again..

Back when I built my first system, DDR2 was the thing to get and 5 or 6 CAS was the prime. Looking at 8-16 GB DDR3 1600-2133 MHz RAM on Newegg is showing that the best CAS I can get is 7-8-8-24, with most being CAS 9 and a few being CAS 8.

What should I be looking at? I was going to compare prices of similar 8 and 16 GB kits, but now I've got to relearn about CAS timings I guess. :p 


And lastly, for now, if I choose to put off building a WC loop right now, what heatsink(s) should I be looking at?

Thanks again guys. :D 
a b 4 Gaming
July 29, 2012 6:48:01 AM

Dingo is mostly right. But with the advent of Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge, they actually see better performance with MHz rather than latency. So if you must choose between latency and speed, take speed.

But personally I'd stay at or above DDR3-1600 with a minimum of CAS 8. Utilize the formula in Dingo07's wiki link to calculate the actual speed of the RAM.
July 29, 2012 11:33:27 PM

dingo07 said:
From what I understand, mSata was designed to give HDD's a boost, so-to-speak. With the advent of full SATA SSD's however, that doesn't provide any speed increase anymore.

You should try and get the highest number CAS you can (with that I mean the fastest, not the number literally). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAS_latency

Top 5 heatsinks - http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm

Thanks for the links!

cmcghee358 said:
Dingo is mostly right. But with the advent of Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge, they actually see better performance with MHz rather than latency. So if you must choose between latency and speed, take speed.

But personally I'd stay at or above DDR3-1600 with a minimum of CAS 8. Utilize the formula in Dingo07's wiki link to calculate the actual speed of the RAM.

This may be daft of me, but what formula?
And, what did sandy and ivy bridge do to shift emphasis onto the clock speed, rather than the CAS latency?
a b 4 Gaming
July 30, 2012 3:25:06 AM

I'm not sure architecturally what they did to shift it, as I'm not that smart. But benchmarks show a marked improvement in performance when clock speed is prioritized over latency.

Yeah his link doesn't have the formula, I'll dig it up real quick
a b 4 Gaming
July 30, 2012 3:28:38 AM

(CAS / Frequency (MHz)) × 1000 = X ns

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR3_SDRAM

So in theory DDR3-1333 CAS 7 is faster than DDR3-1600 CAS9.

Ex:

1333=5.25ns

1600=5.62ns

So as you can see the DDR3-1333 CAS 7 can push through the operation at .4ns faster than the DDR3-1600 CAS9. BUT! performance benchmarks have shown that frequency for the RAM plays a larger role in performance for Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge processors. There is a link for that fact, I'm just too lazy to dig it up.
a b 4 Gaming
July 30, 2012 4:23:24 AM

This is the first I have heard anyone say SB is dependent on speed, cuz most benchmarks don't mean that real world performance is worth it OCing RAM to 2133 MHz.
July 30, 2012 4:49:10 AM

Here is a little setup I came up with hehehe:
Core i7 3770k $340 @Newegg
2x EVGA GTX 570 $540 @Amazon
ASUS P8Z77-V LE $160 @Newegg
Rosewill BRONZE Series RBR1000-M(1,000 watts) $130 @Newegg
Your amount of wattage used with this setup will be approx. 900 watts.
G. SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB(2x8) $110 @Newegg
Seagate Barracuda ST31500341AS 1.5TB $95 @Newegg
Windows 7 Home 64 bit SP1 $100 @Newegg
Rosewill BLACKHAWK Gaming ATX Mid Tower $90 @Newegg
The total is $1565 with shipping and not including rebates. Some may disagree with my choice to SLI 570 but that's what I have and it's kick***. I stream on Twitch while playing games. Or if you prefer Radeon cards than you could XFire 2 7850's. If that's the case than your total would be $1505 with XFX Core Edition($240 a piece). That's up to you. Your welcome!
a b 4 Gaming
July 30, 2012 5:35:30 AM

hunterpostit88 said:
Here is a little setup I came up with hehehe:
Core i7 3770k $340 @Newegg
2x EVGA GTX 570 $540 @Amazon
ASUS P8Z77-V LE $160 @Newegg
Rosewill BRONZE Series RBR1000-M(1,000 watts) $130 @Newegg
Your amount of wattage used with this setup will be approx. 900 watts.
G. SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB(2x8) $110 @Newegg
Seagate Barracuda ST31500341AS 1.5TB $95 @Newegg
Windows 7 Home 64 bit SP1 $100 @Newegg
Rosewill BLACKHAWK Gaming ATX Mid Tower $90 @Newegg
The total is $1565 with shipping and not including rebates. Some may disagree with my choice to SLI 570 but that's what I have and it's kick***. I stream on Twitch while playing games. Or if you prefer Radeon cards than you could XFire 2 7850's. If that's the case than your total would be $1505 with XFX Core Edition($240 a piece). That's up to you. Your welcome!


The TDP of the GTX 570 is 219W. So what part of this system needs 900W again?

http://extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine

642W.

I'd recommend Corsair AX750 80 PLUS GOLD for 169.99, 154.99 w/ mail in rebate. Subtract another 15% with promo code: Corsair724 for a grand total of: 129.50 before shipping. (Oh and it's free shipping)
a b 4 Gaming
July 30, 2012 5:51:44 AM

azeem40 said:
This is the first I have heard anyone say SB is dependent on speed, cuz most benchmarks don't mean that real world performance is worth it OCing RAM to 2133 MHz.


Really? This wasn't universally researched and accepted almost immediately after release of the chips? So I do have to dig this up? Am I being trolled or are you for real?
a b 4 Gaming
July 30, 2012 6:14:12 PM

cmcghee358 said:
Really? This wasn't universally researched and accepted almost immediately after release of the chips? So I do have to dig this up? Am I being trolled or are you for real?

No, I am 100% being for real. I really didn't know. All I heard was that AMD is dependent on RAM speed.
July 31, 2012 1:29:04 AM

cmcghee358 said:
(CAS / Frequency (MHz)) × 1000 = X ns

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR3_SDRAM

So in theory DDR3-1333 CAS 7 is faster than DDR3-1600 CAS9.

Ex:

1333=5.25ns

1600=5.62ns

So as you can see the DDR3-1333 CAS 7 can push through the operation at .4ns faster than the DDR3-1600 CAS9. BUT! performance benchmarks have shown that frequency for the RAM plays a larger role in performance for Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge processors. There is a link for that fact, I'm just too lazy to dig it up.
Ahh. Thanks for the link, and thanks for the example! I'm quite interested in that article, so I'm gonna try and look it up once I'm done looking at internships and water-cooling parts. :D 

hunterpostit88 said:
Here is a little setup I came up with hehehe:
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let's game (SLi capable):

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Thanks for the rig suggestions, but a couple things are off for me.

I've sort of decided on the 7950 as my gpu, I want a full size tower case, and last night I decided I want to get 2x 1TB hdd's (I had forgotten to consider the read/write affects of video capturing/rendering on the same drive)*. Also, right now I'm getting ready to look at water-cooling parts and going to try and piece together a loop, so I don't even know if I need a heatsink. :p 


*I'm actually starting to realize exactly how much space 2TB is. I'm not actually sure if I'll ever fill that up, so I'm starting to think maybe a 1TB for general storage and recording my videos and music to (since it's faster to read off one drive and write to another), and running off of a 300-500GB drive for games and the like. Does that sound like a smart plan?

Also, I've updated the list a little.. Will post the changes once I look at a complete list of GPU's (gonna try to find some rebates and stuff. :p ) and sort through drives.


Edit: Okay, so.. I'm looking at 2 different mobos at the moment. One of them is an outlier on the price range.. I love its color scheme and that it's 2 x16 and 2 x8 pci 3.0 slots, but I don't really think that justifies the extra 100$. Which makes me lean more towards the $179 UD5H. Do you all think that the extra x16 slot and other miscellaneous features are worth the 100$?
a b 4 Gaming
July 31, 2012 4:07:40 AM

hunterpostit88 said:
http://c1.neweggimages.com/BizIntell/tool/psucalc/index...
That's a total of 834 watts used. Hmmm maybe you could go with a 900 watt PSU.


Hilarious. Newegg does a lot of things right. Power supply calculators isn't one of them. First of all, they only have 6 options to choose from. Overclocking, which can obviously increase your CPU/GPU power usage isn't even an option. No mention of any case fans, water cooling, case lighting, SSDs. Nothing.

So I can't understand how you could look at the PSU calculator I linked, then go to newegg.com's and think for even a second it is more reliable/accurate.

For the record, I entered my system specs(albeit limited to their options) and came up with 890W needed for my system. That has been running on a 750W for well over a year.


July 31, 2012 4:45:57 AM

Sorry to double post, but finished setting everything up, I think. Here's the current list.
Ran out of time to put together a liquid setup.. Gonna do that tomorrow.
Had to add in 2 adapters for my eyefinity setup.

Let me know what you all think!
July 31, 2012 4:50:48 AM

cmcghee358 said:
For the record, I entered my system specs(albeit limited to their options) and came up with 890W needed for my system. That has been running on a 750W for well over a year.

I tried doing my system and it came up with about 760W, which is a joke, really. My system has never sucked more than 390W under pressure.
July 31, 2012 5:00:47 AM

Deakon said:
*I'm actually starting to realize exactly how much space 2TB is. I'm not actually sure if I'll ever fill that up, so I'm starting to think maybe a 1TB for general storage and recording my videos and music to (since it's faster to read off one drive and write to another), and running off of a 300-500GB drive for games and the like. Does that sound like a smart plan?

I know I'll get flak for this from some out there, but I suggest you do similar to what I did and use 2 500 or 750GB drives in a RAID 0 for your video/audio work. In some instances it can be more than twice as fast as a single drive.
a b 4 Gaming
July 31, 2012 5:44:39 AM

Deakon said:
Sorry to double post, but finished setting everything up, I think. Here's the current list.
Ran out of time to put together a liquid setup.. Gonna do that tomorrow.
Had to add in 2 adapters for my eyefinity setup.

Let me know what you all think!


HDD: 1TB: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 7200 RPM 89.99

500GB: (promo code:EMCNCHD37) Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB 7200 RPM 59.99 after promo code

SSD: Samsung 830 128GB SSD 99.99

Also your PSU is missing?


July 31, 2012 5:46:59 AM

Deakon said:
.I've sort of decided on the 7950 as my gpu, I want a full size tower case, and last night I decided I want to get 2x 1TB hdd's (I had forgotten to consider the read/write affects of video capturing/rendering on the same drive)*.

You could buy a 2TB HDD and if I'm not mistaken, whenever you install Windows you could make partition for that stuff. It's a lot cheaper than to buy 2 seperate HDD. Just a recommendation. I thought I put a full tower case as mine. I respect your choice of the 7950 I'm just a NVIDIA kinda guy.
a b 4 Gaming
July 31, 2012 5:56:35 AM

^ And speed is not needed for storage.
a b 4 Gaming
July 31, 2012 5:57:59 AM

^ His previous hard drives were 7200 RPM. These are a cheaper version. And yes for his type of storage speed is needed.
a b 4 Gaming
July 31, 2012 5:59:54 AM

I don't see how it is needed. Care to explain?
a b 4 Gaming
July 31, 2012 6:05:34 AM

Quote:
I know I'll get flak for this from some out there, but I suggest you do similar to what I did and use 2 500 or 750GB drives in a RAID 0 for your video/audio work. In some instances it can be more than twice as fast as a single drive.


Quote:
(I had forgotten to consider the read/write affects of video capturing/rendering on the same drive)*


As you can see, for this instance speed is an issue
a b 4 Gaming
July 31, 2012 6:16:35 AM

Ok, thanks for explaining.
August 1, 2012 3:09:25 AM

dingo07 said:
I know I'll get flak for this from some out there, but I suggest you do similar to what I did and use 2 500 or 750GB drives in a RAID 0 for your video/audio work. In some instances it can be more than twice as fast as a single drive.
Any "proof" for that? What I'm thinking about doing is having the usual stuff cached on my SSD, using the 500GB as a games/programs drive, and writing onto the TB for audio and video projects plus storage for iTunes and the like.
cmcghee358 said:
HDD: 1TB: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 7200 RPM 89.99

500GB: (promo code:EMCNCHD37) Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB 7200 RPM 59.99 after promo code

SSD: Samsung 830 128GB SSD 99.99

Also your PSU is missing?
Thanks for the alternatives. From what I've heard Samsung have quality drives, so I'll definitely consider the suggestions... I had picked the Plextor because of this article. Will try and find a review or something of the Samsung drive.

Also, my PSU is missing because I haven't put together a loop yet. :p 
hunterpostit88 said:
You could buy a 2TB HDD and if I'm not mistaken, whenever you install Windows you could make partition for that stuff. It's a lot cheaper than to buy 2 seperate HDD. Just a recommendation. I thought I put a full tower case as mine. I respect your choice of the 7950 I'm just a NVIDIA kinda guy.

I'm not opposed to nVidia; I picked the 7950 cause it's cheaper + equal performance.
August 1, 2012 4:30:18 AM

Deakon said:
Any "proof" for that? What I'm thinking about doing is having the usual stuff cached on my SSD, using the 500GB as a games/programs drive, and writing onto the TB for audio and video projects plus storage for iTunes and the like.

Sure. Adobe Premiere Pro CS5 - Classroom In A Book, Page 3

I Quote
"Optimizing performance - Editing video is memory- and processor-intensive work for a desktop computer. A fast processor and a lot of memory will make your editing experience much faster and more efficient; 2 GB of memory is the minimum, and 8 GB or more is better for high-definition (HD) media. Adobe Premiere Pro CS5 takes advantage of multicore processors on Windows and Macintosh systems and will run on Macintosh computers with multicore Intel processors.

A dedicated 7200 RPM or faster hard drive is recommended for standard-definition (SD) or high-definition video (HDV) media. A RAID 0 striped disk array or SCSI disk subsystem is recommended for HD. Performance will be significantly affected if you attempt to store media files and program files on the same hard drive.

The Mercury Playback Engine in Adobe Premiere Pro can operate in software-only mode or GPU acceleration mode. The GPU acceleration mode provides significant performance improvement. The GPU acceleration is possible with select video cards. You can find a list of these video cards on the Adobe website at http://www.adobe.com/go/premiere_systemreqs."

On the side bar there's a Tip:
"A common disk configuration is to put the operating system and applications on drive 1, video and audio files on drive 2, and export files on drive 3. For HD work, drive 2 should be a RAID 0 striped disk array or SCSI disk subsystem."


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Don't forget that Adobe Premiere Pro is NLE software that professionals use- I just assumed that is what you would be using. Also, the memory specs in the first paragraph are what's to be dedicated to the program, not physically installed for Windows to use.

The link above is broken, so here's what the information is really intended to be...
http://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/policy-pricing/syste...

Here's updated info on the Mercury Playback Engine compatibility and CUDA...
http://blogs.adobe.com/premiereprotraining/2011/02/cuda...
August 1, 2012 11:38:19 PM

Thanks for the info!

I actually don't have Adobe... I've been using Sony Vegas to do my video work, but that's still really cool information to have. :D 
a b 4 Gaming
August 2, 2012 6:57:11 AM

The 7950 is not equal performance. In every test, the GTX 670 pummels the 7950.
August 4, 2012 12:12:40 AM

azeem40 said:
The 7950 is not equal performance. In every test, the GTX 670 pummels the 7950.

You're right. lol I'm sorry. I've been extremely tired as of late (started a new job and have been working nothing but 12 hour shifts for two weeks, no days off, and my girlfriend keeps me up until 4 hours before I have to be at work haha)... I was thinking about the 7970 and gtx 670.

Still, though. The 670 is 60$ more per card. Not to sound close minded or anything, but, will 2x 7950's really struggle with anything, anyway?
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