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July 25, 2012 3:32:02 AM

Hello, i was wondering if anyone could help me with this build, it is my first gaming pc build and im pretty hard into games but im tired of dealing with pre-configed systems! any help, comments, concerns or alternative builds are welcome!
thanks- John


Here are the parts
CPU- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (i5 3570k ivy bridge)

Card/GPU- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (EVGA superclocked GTX 680)

Case- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (corsair carbide series 500r)

PSU- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (cooler master GX series/750w)

MB- http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/ite... (MSI z77A-G45)

HDD- http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite... (2TB Sata)

DVD R/W- http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite... (doesnt matter)

RAM- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (16GB Mushkin enhanced redline/1600)



Other notes: budgeted around $1500, if you submit your own build feel free to throw in accessories (Eg: keyboards)

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July 25, 2012 6:58:22 AM

if yoru not into profesional work/editing get an i5-3570 and use the rest of budget to buy a cpu cooler to overclock. also in a high end system, its nice to have a 120+gb ssd drive to store os and games for speedy performance.
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July 25, 2012 7:07:23 AM

johnivey said:
Hello, i was wondering if anyone could help me with this build, it is my first gaming pc build and im pretty hard into games but im tired of dealing with pre-configed systems! any help, comments, concerns or alternative builds are welcome!
thanks- John


Here are the parts
CPU- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Card/GPU- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

MB- http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/ite...

HDD- http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

DVD R/W- http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Other notes: budgeted around $1500, if you submit your own build feel free to throw in accessories (Eg: keyboards)


What is the native resolution of your monitor? The only reason I ask, is you could save a couple bucks on the GPU if maximum scaling isn't really an issue, and blow that same saved money on a more meaningful upgrade 1.5-2 years down the line. It's a beast for 1500 though. I would recommend splurging a little on a Seasonic PSU as well. Overall there is nothing wrong with it. I do think the 680 is a bit much for most realistic needs and you could probably shave 200-250 dollars there and get transparent performance.

My changes would only spare you a couple hundred bucks. I wouldn't recommend an SSD to be honest as one poster suggested, unless you are doing intensive video editing tasks, at which point the size of the SSD will significantly inflate your build cost. It's a good looking build at 1500 dollars.
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July 25, 2012 7:09:14 AM

czerro said:
What is the native resolution of your monitor? The only reason I ask, is you could save a couple bucks on the GPU if maximum scaling isn't really an issue, and blow that same saved money on a more meaningful upgrade 1.5-2 years down the line. It's a beast for 1500 though. I would recommend splurging a little on a Seasonic PSU as well. Overall there is nothing wrong with it. I do think the 680 is a bit much for most realistic needs and you could probably shave 200-250 dollars there and get transparent performance.

My changes would only spare you a couple hundred bucks. I wouldn't recommend an SSD to be honest as one poster suggested, unless you are doing intensive video editing tasks, at which point the size of the SSD will significantly inflate your build cost. It's a good looking build at 1500 dollars.



then why didnt you disagree with the i7 then, hyperthreading has no realtime use in gaming O_o
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July 25, 2012 7:28:45 AM

At the price, the cpu is still a wise purchase, and will long outlive whatever GPU he purchases even if it is a 680. It will probably outlive the socket format and never be a bottleneck in his system.

What performance increase will he see with an SSD? Less space, more money, and from a gaming perspective really provides him miniscule to naught performance in comparison to what he pays for significantly less disk space. He described himself as a hardcore gamer, I did throw the caveat out there regarding video editing though. It wasn't an attack on you, I was just disagreeing with you as I did not see the benefit for a gamer, and at 1500 he's really tipping what I consider a positive performance/price build, which is when you need to take a step back. I still think it's a decent build, but if he wanted an SSD, he is throwing money away at that point and his build is not really being cost-performance effective. Maybe 2 years from now, the money he saves by being a bit more conservative on his GPU can allow him a transparent upgrade into a big SSD when there isn't such a premium on the size, and some of the controller issues get ironed out.
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July 25, 2012 7:33:41 AM

czerro said:
At the price, the cpu is still a wise purchase, and will long outlive whatever GPU he purchases even if it is a 680. It will probably outlive the socket format and never be a bottleneck in his system.

What performance increase will he see with an SSD? Less space, more money, and from a gaming perspective really provides him miniscule to naught performance in comparison to what he pays for significantly less disk space. He described himself as a hardcore gamer, I did throw the caveat out there regarding video editing though. It wasn't an attack on you, I was just disagreeing with you as I did not see the benefit for a gamer, and at 1500 he's really tipping what I consider a positive performance/price build, which is when you need to take a step back. I still think it's a decent build, but if he wanted an SSD, he is throwing money away at that point and his build is not really being cost-performance effective. Maybe 2 years from now, the money he saves by being a bit more conservative on his GPU can allow him a transparent upgrade into a big SSD when there isn't such a premium on the size, and some of the controller issues get ironed out.



of course hes not going to buy an ssd alone, an ssd for larger programs and a hdd as a storing device for everything else. a generally fast performer all around.
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July 25, 2012 7:48:32 AM

dudewitbow said:
of course hes not going to buy an ssd alone, an ssd for larger programs and a hdd as a storing device for everything else. a generally fast performer all around.


How? An SSD is only useful for it's sequential read/write speeds. Games don't task throughput rates of traditional cylinder/platter based drives. If he uses the SSD as his system drive, then maybe he sees a couple seconds worth of boot time improvement? Unless he does a bunch of video and/or audio editing with massive lossless files and a huge workload of transcoding, then this is a waste of money. If you do find yourself in this particular niche, now an SSD looks good, as a traditional HDD will get abused by this use, require constant defragmenting which is also somewhat abusive, and really deteriorate the life of the drive. But, he hasn't responded, so we don't know if this is an issue for him. I don't understand why you would recommend he tack an extra 150-200 bucks on his build for the sake of a couple seconds of boot time. An SSD is nice for particular applications, but I don't see how it add's anything to his gamer based build...especially as the system drive of all things.
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July 25, 2012 7:53:18 AM

jay_nar2012 said:
http://lifehacker.com/5151369/the-first+timers-guide-to...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot0h4G-BmJM&feature=rela...

Your parts are good quality, but if you can afford it, get an SSD for your OS and use your current drive for data.

http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategor...


Thanks for the guides!, and yeah i was wondering about a SSD just for my OS, i assumed that the quicker recall though for my OS wouldn't benefit my gaming experience quite as having an extra hundred bucks. However, this is the first thing im investing in if my budget allows.
Thanks,
-John
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July 25, 2012 7:55:50 AM

+1 ssd are not tht good for gamers they just want quicker boot times or quicker game loading times
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July 25, 2012 8:02:31 AM

czerro said:
How? An SSD is only useful for it's sequential read/write speeds. Games don't task throughput rates of traditional cylinder/platter based drives. If he uses the SSD as his system drive, then maybe he sees a couple seconds worth of boot time improvement? Unless he does a bunch of video and/or audio editing with massive lossless files and a huge workload of transcoding, then this is a waste of money. If you do find yourself in this particular niche, now an SSD looks good, as a traditional HDD will get abused by this use, require constant defragmenting which is also somewhat abusive, and really deteriorate the life of the drive. But, he hasn't responded, so we don't know if this is an issue for him. I don't understand why you would recommend he tack an extra 150-200 bucks on his build for the sake of a couple seconds of boot time. An SSD is nice for particular applications, but I don't see how it add's anything to his gamer based build...especially as the system drive of all things.



i would only recommend a ~120gb ssd, which can be found for less than 100$ several times. the i7 on its own serves no purpose in his build, which i suggested for him to switch to an i5 and get a cpu cooler, so he can actually make use of the K that is an unlocked cpu core. the ssd will cut boot time by a few seconds, but it will also cut down game loading times. This becomes extremely relevant in games that are notoriously either large in size, or have a lot of portals that require loading.(which can be prevalent in MMORPGS) of course it does add to the budget, but part of it is paid off for the change from i7 to an i5.
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July 25, 2012 8:11:00 AM

johnivey said:
Thanks for the guides!, and yeah i was wondering about a SSD just for my OS, i assumed that the quicker recall though for my OS wouldn't benefit my gaming experience quite as having an extra hundred bucks. However, this is the first thing im investing in if my budget allows.
Thanks,
-John


Exactly, it's an upgrade, but nonessential to the intended use of your build. It's a smart build, though I think you are a bit aggressive with your GPU. If that's your budget though and you are intent on maxing it out, pull the trigger. At 1500 it looks pretty attractive.
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July 25, 2012 8:12:36 AM

dudewitbow said:
if yoru not into profesional work/editing get an i5-3570 and use the rest of budget to buy a cpu cooler to overclock. also in a high end system, its nice to have a 120+gb ssd drive to store os and games for speedy performance.


will the i5 3570k bottleneck my 680..? ive heard terrible terrible rumors about this happening to certain CPUs and high end graphics cards
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July 25, 2012 8:21:42 AM

Do you already have RAM and an OS?


johnivey said:
will the i5 3570k bottleneck my 680..? ive heard terrible terrible rumors about this happening to certain CPUs and high end graphics cards


Not at all.
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July 25, 2012 8:22:16 AM

No, it won't bottleneck your GPU.

You can get 64GB SSDs....
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July 25, 2012 8:31:19 AM

Avaruz said:
Do you already have RAM and an OS?




Not at all.


well yes and no.. i need to purchase a new copy of windows for the 64 bit version.. and ram its out dated im lookin for 16GB of ram but i have a 4 slots of ram so i thought i should get 2, 2 packs of 4GB RAM and utilize all channels on my MB however i cant find DDR3 ram for 4 GB maybe its because its late and i haven't had coffee though..
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July 25, 2012 8:34:49 AM

jay_nar2012 said:
No, it won't bottleneck your GPU.

You can get 64GB SSDs....


Ill look into the 64 GB SSD but i think if i cut down enough around the edges with my build i can splurge for a 120GB drive, and for the record SSD's are gunna fit in the 2.5" drive bays right..?
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July 25, 2012 8:57:44 AM

+1 on get a 120GB SSD... they dont cost the earth and they do make any load times ALOT faster. Shove your OS and your games on it and you get nice fast boot time followed by near instant level loading times in your games. If your spending $1500 there really is no reason not to get one, I suspect the people saying they are not worth it don't actually have one as trust me once you experience super fast load times you will never want to go back.

Personally I would get an i5 not an i7 as well... there is not any real benefit in the i7 gaming.

I wouldnt get the coolermaster PSU either they make good cases not good PSU's.

Infact with $1500 I would do this

COOLER MASTER HAF X RC-942-KKN1 Black Steel/ Plastic ATX Full Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO RR-212E-20PK-R2 Continuous Direct Contact 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Western Digital Caviar Blue WD10EALX 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OCZ Vertex 4 VTX4-25SAT3-128G 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-D3H LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.SKILL Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

EVGA Superclocked, Signature 2 02G-P4-2687-KR GeForce GTX 680
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX750 V2 750W ATX12V v2.31/ EPS12V v2.92 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC High Performance Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

That weighs in at $1494.91 or $1454.91 after mail in rebates.

If you want windows 7 that will add an extra 100


*EDIT* just read your above post as you have a case thats -$200 from the build i made here so total $1254.91
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July 25, 2012 8:59:30 AM

You won't need 16GB RAM to game, 8GB is good enough, you could upgrade in the future.
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July 25, 2012 9:09:17 AM

wr6133 said:
+1 on get a 120GB SSD... they dont cost the earth and they do make any load times ALOT faster. Shove your OS and your games on it and you get nice fast boot time followed by near instant level loading times in your games. If your spending $1500 there really is no reason not to get one, I suspect the people saying they are not worth it don't actually have one as trust me once you experience super fast load times you will never want to go back.

Personally I would get an i5 not an i7 as well... there is not any real benefit in the i7 gaming.

I wouldnt get the coolermaster PSU either they make good cases not good PSU's.

Infact with $1500 I would do this

COOLER MASTER HAF X RC-942-KKN1 Black Steel/ Plastic ATX Full Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO RR-212E-20PK-R2 Continuous Direct Contact 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Western Digital Caviar Blue WD10EALX 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OCZ Vertex 4 VTX4-25SAT3-128G 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-D3H LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.SKILL Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

EVGA Superclocked, Signature 2 02G-P4-2687-KR GeForce GTX 680
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX750 V2 750W ATX12V v2.31/ EPS12V v2.92 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC High Performance Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

That weighs in at $1494.91 or $1454.91 after mail in rebates.

If you want windows 7 that will add an extra 100


*EDIT* just read your above post as you have a case thats -$200 from the build i made here so total $1254.91


I like the rig you put together here, and as for the case yeah id probably nix that and throw in my 16 GB of RAM. I appreciate you leaving in my Card of choice for the build to. since you took the imitative of constructing a whole rig ill probably give you the "best answer" tag. not sure if it helps any with your points on the sites or anything but i hope it helps somewhat.
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July 25, 2012 9:35:20 AM

Wondering why everyone keeps mentioning i7 but his initial link is to an i5?
Definitely get an SSD, you will notice the difference, not only boot times but day to day use just using windows you will see. I would prob ditch the 680 in favour of a 670 just because you save $100 and won't miss any of the performance. My last point is personal preference but have you considered modular power supplies? You end up with a way cleaner looking case and much easier time trying to cable tie *** together, plus sometimes when your trying to remove 1 thing and can't get at the cables properly, helps to have an option of just pulling it out of the power supply instead.
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July 25, 2012 9:37:21 AM

benikens said:
Wondering why everyone keeps mentioning i7 but his initial link is to an i5?
Definitely get an SSD, you will notice the difference, not only boot times but day to day use just using windows you will see. I would prob ditch the 680 in favour of a 670 just because you save $100 and won't miss any of the performance. My last point is personal preference but have you considered modular power supplies? You end up with a way cleaner looking case and much easier time trying to cable tie *** together, plus sometimes when your trying to remove 1 thing and can't get at the cables properly, helps to have an option of just pulling it out of the power supply instead.



Message edited by johnivey on 07-25-2012 at 05:03:42 AM


thats why
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July 25, 2012 9:46:37 AM

benikens said:
Wondering why everyone keeps mentioning i7 but his initial link is to an i5?
Definitely get an SSD, you will notice the difference, not only boot times but day to day use just using windows you will see. I would prob ditch the 680 in favour of a 670 just because you save $100 and won't miss any of the performance. My last point is personal preference but have you considered modular power supplies? You end up with a way cleaner looking case and much easier time trying to cable tie *** together, plus sometimes when your trying to remove 1 thing and can't get at the cables properly, helps to have an option of just pulling it out of the power supply instead.


hmm.. i plan to overclock so would a 670 be a better deal in the end?
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July 25, 2012 9:48:15 AM

This topic has been moved from the section CPU & Components to section Systems by Mousemonkey
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July 25, 2012 10:02:59 AM

Personally, I would change the MB to Asrock Z77 Extreme 4.
It is much cheaper but has almost the features you need.

Also the PSU. Change it to something like Corsair, Seasonic or Antec.
600w-700w. Cooler Master GX isn't actually that good.

Overall, nice build. :D 
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July 25, 2012 10:03:02 AM

If you only plan to game on a single monitor at 1080p then the 670 is a better deal than the 680 as it give near identical performance for alot less $
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July 25, 2012 10:09:12 AM

wr6133 said:
If you only plan to game on a single monitor at 1080p then the 670 is a better deal than the 680 as it give near identical performance for alot less $


done, im going with the 670. is there a way to see my power requirements?
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July 25, 2012 10:15:11 AM

A good 650W would be plenty for the build...... look for seasonic, corsair, antec, ocz, xfx, pc power cooling.
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