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GTX 570 2.5GB vs 7870 2GB

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June 3, 2012 4:20:51 AM

So which should i get the prices are almost the same. The GTX 570 is $330 and the 7870 is $350

Motherboard: a ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
CPU: intel core i5-3570K
power supply: CORSAIR Builder Series CX600 V2 600W
Case: Antec Three Hundred Illusion Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

p.s. this is my first PC so any tips would be greatly appreciated.

need anymore info please ask.

More about : gtx 570 5gb 7870 2gb

a b U Graphics card
June 3, 2012 4:34:24 AM

7870 is better because newer technologies... If I were oyum I'd get GTx 580 for around the same as 7870...
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a b U Graphics card
June 3, 2012 4:34:36 AM

Can you skim a little money around your pc and get a GTX 670? Its much better than both the 570 and 7870 for $400.
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June 3, 2012 5:09:49 AM

No i am already at my limit of spending. =/ Where is there a GTX 580 for $350?
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June 3, 2012 6:30:41 AM

sephiroth70001 said:
No i am already at my limit of spending. =/ Where is there a GTX 580 for $350?

There's no GTX 580 for $350, the cheapest was $380 @ ebay.
HD 7870 is a good performer than GTX 570, HD 7870 is almost as powerful as GTX 580. Besides, all the HD 7000 series are great overclockers, once you OC the HD 7870 you'll get to a level surpasses GTX 580.
Difference is just 1%
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a b U Graphics card
June 3, 2012 6:48:09 AM

The 580 can be overclocked as well though...
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June 3, 2012 7:03:22 AM

bavman said:
The 580 can be overclocked as well though...

Yes it can but not as the HD 7870, HD 7870 can jump 200 MHz easily with all reference boards, some custom PCBs did the jump to 1300 MHz core, that's impossible to do with the GTX 580. This card benefits really from OCing, it can add 20+ FPS
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a b U Graphics card
June 3, 2012 7:08:48 AM

Sure for call of duty 4...but who even cares about 143 vs 160? lol
If you Have a 60hz monitor more than 60 fps is really wasted.





In more demanding games the difference is much smaller. E.g. in battlefield a stock 580 does just as good as an oc'd 7870, and in skyrim and metro a stock 580 still beats a 7870 oc
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a c 143 U Graphics card
June 3, 2012 7:16:47 AM

What's the point of those benches? The chart I linked was for HD 7870 OCed @ 1260.
And I'm not talking about 143 vs 163, The OC added 20 FPS, you'd need that if you're playing a very demanding game?

And why did you pick the games that favor nVidia cards? :pfff: 
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June 3, 2012 7:22:08 AM

ilysaml said:
What's the point of those benches? The chart I linked was for HD 7870 OCed @ 1260.
And I'm not talking about 143 vs 163, The OC added 20 FPS, you'd need that if you're playing a very demanding game?

And why did you pick the games that favor nVidia cards? :pfff: 


But in demanding games like battlefield and such its not going to add 20 fps.
I see what you mean though...its a shame that the review doesn't offer more extensive benchmarks for the overclock they did because honestly no one really cares about a COD4 benchmark...they should have picked a more modern game that could actually show the difference between the cards. I guess we'll never know. Also the bench doesnt show the 580 being overclocked either. I'm able to reach 940mhz core on my 580 vs the stock 772
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June 3, 2012 6:34:23 PM

Cool thanks guys another question is how important is the VRAM in comparison? Also would it be helpful to list games i would like to play right after PC is built? How does the 7850 that legendkiller listed compare to the 580? Also if i OC both the 580 beats the 7870?
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a c 705 U Graphics card
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June 3, 2012 8:32:09 PM

Foolish and very inexperienced words.< not needed !
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June 3, 2012 9:11:14 PM

Thank you!
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a c 592 U Graphics card
June 3, 2012 9:35:08 PM

These things so often come down to debates over a few FPS either way, which in a practical sense make no difference to your image quality or gameplay. That's the debate I'm seeing so far. Those benches from Techpowerup show that point a few FPS for an overclocked 7870 vs a stock GTX 570 is not a big deal.

In addition to pure performance you should consider some of the driver technologies you get with one card versus another. With an Nvidia card you get PhysX, Adaptive VSync, FXAA, forced Ambient Occlusion, extra Antialiasing modes, and the new auto settings feature called Geforce Experience. With AMD, you get MLAA (similar to FXAA), Graphics Core Neutral, different Anisotropic Filtering methods, and full scene Supersampling.


But I am most interested in a couple questions:

- What games do you intend to play?
Different games favor different architectures. A game like Skyrim, you want to go with a GTX 570 because it allows you to enable different settings, like Ambient Occlusion, that you cannot enable on a 7870. With 2.5 GB of memory, you can also enable more high texture mods in Skyrim than you would with a 2 GB card. Also, if you play any PhysX games, then you would want the GTX 570. If you play games that favor the 7870, Metro 2033, Crysis 2, etc., then the 7870 would be preferred. Choosing your card based on your gaming preference is definitely the way to go.

- What model of GTX 570 are you considering?
The reason I ask is, if you are considering a custom cooled, factory overclocked GTX 570 2.5 GB model that will make a big difference in overclocking headroom and overall benchmarks. If you were just looking at a reference model, then that might change my perception.
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June 4, 2012 12:44:07 AM

I usually tend to mostly RPG's so I plan to play right of the bat the Witcher series. I also am going to play BF3 and EVE Metro 2033 i will pick up. Other then that would be the PC exclusive RPG's and RTS's. Hope i answered that well.
The GTX 570 model is this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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a c 143 U Graphics card
June 4, 2012 12:50:16 AM

sephiroth70001 said:
I usually tend to mostly RPG's so I plan to play right of the bat the Witcher series. I also am going to play BF3 and EVE Metro 2033 i will pick up. Other then that would be the PC exclusive RPG's and RTS's. Hope i answered that well.
The GTX 570 model is this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Again, HD 7870 blows up GTX 570 and very competitive with GTX 580.
GTX 480 is fine but the major disadvantage is power consumption and heat, the card reaches 85-90C during heavy gaming.
Also, what makes grabbing GTX 480 a bad idea is that GTX 570 is the same as GTX 480 with lower power consumption and being much cooler.
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June 4, 2012 1:14:05 AM

@recon thanks for the suggestion i like the 480 from what i have seen, but am not worried about price i have roughly $350 for my video card and would like to get the best video card with that money. Also the GTX 570 i listed has 2560MB of VRAM compared to the average one having 1280MB. Does this in your opinion change the "scale" so to say. Also what is your opinion of the 7870?
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June 4, 2012 1:26:18 AM

So recon I really like your oppins and put a lot of weight on them and such. If you were in my situation which would you get?
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a c 109 U Graphics card
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June 4, 2012 1:29:13 AM

GTX 480, it's cheap and full of win.
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June 4, 2012 1:33:31 AM

I think I'll pick up a 7850!
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June 4, 2012 1:37:55 AM

So the 7850 beats the 7870? Can you explain in detail please? Just curious.
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June 4, 2012 1:40:03 AM

@sephiroth70001 if you are not thinking about money and would like to spend more on a quality GPU, then please look at the GTX 580 or if you can increase your budget a little then the 7950 or the GTX 670. But if you are looking for a 580 performance, then hands down get the GTX 480 and overclock the hell out of the card. But get a cheap custom cooler like the Zalman or the Gelid icy vision for $50. Once overclocked, the 480 will match the stock GTX 580. The 580 can also be overclocked as well, but you may have to increase your budget a little bit by $20 to $30 I believe.

So it goes like this:
1. $270-280 (GTX 480 with a Gelid icy vision cooler and overclock it to 800Mhz)
2. You can also get the GTX 570 and overclock it as it also matches the 580 when overclocked
3. GTX 580
4. GTX 670

You can also choose AMD cards if you want. Its all on you mate. The choice is yours. Considering price/performance then its the GTX 480 hands down.
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June 4, 2012 1:42:34 AM

For the difference i'm going to newegg to pick it up right now!
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June 4, 2012 1:50:50 AM

so if i can get a 580 should I? How important or how much VRAM should I get will it make a big difference?
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June 4, 2012 2:03:28 AM

so its back to the 480 and the 7850. lol
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a c 143 U Graphics card
June 4, 2012 2:23:03 AM

For that being said that GTX 480 reaches 75-85C in a well ventilated system and claiming that I'm wrong, from the review of GTX 470/480 from guru3d;
Quote:
We measured at a room temperature of 21 degrees Celsius. Now we report at two stages the GPU(s) in IDLE and under stress. Here's what we get returned:

Card setting TEMP IDLE C TEMP FULL C
GeForce GTX 470 43 94
GeForce GTX 480 45 95

For claiming that guru3d used Furmark for stressing the GPU, guru3d excluded this software from its test benches;
Quote:
We now fire off a hefty shader application at the GPU and start monitoring temperature behavior as it would be when you are gaming intensely and continuously, we literally stress the GPUs 100% here as you can see in the graph.

Also, from hardwarecanucks.com review of GTX 480


@recon
Don't call me wrong again, you have an aftermarket cooler in your GPU.
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a c 143 U Graphics card
June 4, 2012 2:26:26 AM

sephiroth70001 said:
so its back to the 480 and the 7850. lol

HD 7850 consumes half the power than GTX 480, runs 30C cooler but just 5% slower than GTX 480, you can OC it not to feel a difference.

GTX 480 is a beast I have to admit that, but right now it's the wrong card to pick unless you wanna get an aftermarket cooler and deal with the loudness. That's my opinion.
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June 4, 2012 2:29:31 AM

Hey @matto17secs I have left you a PM. Please check it. I don't want to get my concern posted on this thread. Please check your PM.
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a c 143 U Graphics card
June 4, 2012 2:29:54 AM

Do you have a prove on your sayings? Don't tell me your own experience with the card. Sorry I take reviewers words over yours.
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June 4, 2012 2:31:37 AM

Ok here are the three? 7850, 7870, and GTX 480?
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a c 143 U Graphics card
June 4, 2012 2:36:14 AM

Video reported 85C during gaming, which I believe it will reach 90C and above during long hours of hardcore gaming, that's the situation I experience all the time.
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a c 143 U Graphics card
June 4, 2012 2:39:41 AM

@OP
For that being said you won't be able to enable Physx using AMD cards that's true, but let's talk about how many games support Physx effects. Actually most of the games around depend on CPU Physx power with the exception of some games like Mafia II, Batman AC, Metro 2033 even some reported that you won't tell much a difference when enabling Physx effects in metro 2033, you play in the dark you won't be able to differentiate.

Also, for playing Metro 2033 with Physx On with playable FPS you'll need to have SLI GTX 570s at least, this game is so demanding.
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a c 143 U Graphics card
June 4, 2012 2:41:13 AM

Quote:
You experience 90c with a 6950 2Gb...

No I experience 67-68C during the first 30 mins of the game or maybe longer , then when I finish playing for hours I see that temps reached 75-76.
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a c 143 U Graphics card
June 4, 2012 2:45:54 AM

You enjoy arguing and very obsessed with your GTX 480, you've been recommending it in every thread you enter, you're so biased.

@OP I recommend HD 7870 or GTX 580 If you got the money.
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a c 143 U Graphics card
June 4, 2012 2:50:50 AM

No it would be wise to consider heat, power consumption, improved tesselation and gaming experience, new technology and so on. From that way you can give your recommendation, not because you have a GPU and in love with it you recommend it in every thread you enter :p 

And by the way, if temps weren't an issue you wouldn't have got Aftermarket coolers even during OCing.
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June 4, 2012 2:53:25 AM

Guys, this is becoming an argument now. We are all trying to help @OP choose a card.
You choose yourself mate. 7850, GTX 480 both of them to be overclocked. If you don't plan on overclocking then the GTX 580 or the 7870 for your money (but remember these can also be OC'd).
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a c 99 U Graphics card
June 5, 2012 6:53:14 PM

The 7850 is a great card for the money as well.
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a c 592 U Graphics card
June 5, 2012 7:51:09 PM

sephiroth70001 said:
sorry by bad typo meant 7950.

It's too close in price to the GTX 670, which is a much better card.
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a c 99 U Graphics card
June 5, 2012 7:57:16 PM

+1

GTX 670 is the better card.
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June 5, 2012 9:09:33 PM

so for $400 and under the GTX 670 would be my best bet?
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a c 99 U Graphics card
June 5, 2012 9:11:38 PM

That is correct. Some the 670 cards are roughly around $400
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a c 592 U Graphics card
June 5, 2012 9:16:43 PM

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a c 191 U Graphics card
June 5, 2012 9:17:07 PM

At this point, all of the cards listed are going to give you rock solid performance. All of these comments just for a few FPS in games.

Honestly, I would just choose whatever one looks the prettiest in your case.

Despite that, I would have to agree with the GTX670 bet as well, as its pretty amazing for the price.
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