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July 26, 2012 9:51:03 AM

I built my first PC back in 08 and i've still got the same PC. It's specs are;

GPU - GTX 260
CPU - E8400
Mobo - EVGA 750i FTW
PSU - ANTEC 1000W
HDD - 300GB
RAM - 4GB of Corsair


I haven't been involved in computers as much since then and so i've lost contact on the current hardware that is available...

My question is: What can i upgrade to enable my PC to run Guild Wars 2 at highest or almost highest settings with good FPS for under $500 ish

I was thinking of buying 2 Asus 1GB 560 GTX cards and SLi'ing them. But then again im unsure if my Mobo can even support those cards.

ADVICE NEEDED :)  Thank you!

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a c 118 B Homebuilt system
July 27, 2012 6:08:03 AM

Heya.. Essentially you're looking at a complete rebuild to bring the system.. Your motherboard and the CPUs that are supported on it are now several years beyond their upgradeability.

Although, fear not, you have a pretty good chance of Guild Wars actually working on your current CPU, based on the system requirements. Although, to bring the entire system current, Deus already has a good upgrade path to pursue. Although, if you are tight on cash, I would start with the video card upgrade, see if that gives you the performance you want, and go from there.

I would suggest going one step higher than the 6870 however if you intend to follow suit with the CPU, mobo, and RAM (yes you need DDR3 RAM as well) 8GB ideally. I would consider a 7850 that you can transplant to the next build. Its a powerful video card, although most likely will not be able to see its full potential on your current platform.
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a c 118 B Homebuilt system
July 27, 2012 6:09:38 AM

Edit, sorry Deus, I read that as 6870. Didn't see you had recommended a 7870. I must be dyslexic. :lol:  Same logic applies, the 7870 is one step higher than 7850. Most likely both will be held back (bottlenecked) by the Core2Duo.
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July 27, 2012 6:14:30 AM

nekulturny said:
Edit, sorry Deus, I read that as 6870. Didn't see you had recommended a 7870. I must be dyslexic. :lol:  Same logic applies, the 7870 is one step higher than 7850. Most likely both will be held back (bottlenecked) by the Core2Duo.


No problem. And yup, that's what I was worried about. I didn't think the dual core would be able to handle the 7870; that's why I just decided to revamp the entire base of the system by offering recommendations for the CPU, mobo, and GPU.

Since he has to replace the mobo, he may even want to consider the AMD route. It'd be much cheaper, and he'd be able to put more cash in the GPU.
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a c 118 B Homebuilt system
July 27, 2012 6:29:03 AM

That would be pretty nice indeed. Its not so much the dual core that concerns me, its its age. Phenom II wouldn't be a bad option, that Extreme 3 970 Asrock board was like $20 bucks more not too long ago, its actually pretty competent for as cheap as it is.

Guild Wars 2 like most MMOs aren't really that system demanding, and they're usually pretty scalable. I think the 7870 might be a little too ballsy for it.

Don't forget though he needs DDR3 RAM, the Core2Duo is an LGA775, its got DDR2 on it.



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July 27, 2012 6:41:54 AM

nekulturny said:
That would be pretty nice indeed. Its not so much the dual core that concerns me, its its age. Phenom II wouldn't be a bad option, that Extreme 3 970 Asrock board was like $20 bucks more not too long ago, its actually pretty competent for as cheap as it is.

Guild Wars 2 like most MMOs aren't really that system demanding, and they're usually pretty scalable. I think the 7870 might be a little too ballsy for it.

Don't forget though he needs DDR3 RAM, the Core2Duo is an LGA775, its got DDR2 on it.


Oops, actually didn't catch the RAM bit. I'm not too familiar with older tech. I've just started getting into the whole pc building idea myself.

In that case, he could just drop the 7870 to something like the 7850 you recommended. It'd be more than adequate for the games he wants to play. Then he could use the extra cash to put in the DDR3 memory. Woot woot, just about got this build/upgrade licked, lol. And yeah, I thought I saw something different with the mobo. I was like "hell yeah, we'll go ahead and throw that in". :lol: 

Update...
AMD Phenom II X4 965
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASRock 970 EXTREME3 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

XFX Core Edition FX-785A-ZNFC Radeon HD 7850
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I went with the xfx version cause it's $40 cheaper than the rest on newegg and has the same clock speeds.

G.SKILL Sniper 8GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Go with RAM without tall heatspreaders just in case you decide to add an aftermarket cpu cooler. This way you won't run into clearance issues.

You could go ahead and actually add that to the build if it fits the budget...
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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a c 118 B Homebuilt system
July 27, 2012 6:43:33 AM

Lets try this, both of these builds should do the trick, as to which is better, flip a coin:

Asrock 970 Extreme 3 $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Phenom II 965- $95 (if ordered by 7/30)- or $110 After
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM- $44 2x4GB G.Skill
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Windows7- (If you're still running XP, its time to upgrade)- $100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Video Card- 7850 $200 with Rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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Or, swap the mobo and CPU to this:

i3-2120- $125
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Motherboard- Asrock H61- $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


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Also, I'd think about upgrading the hard drive. As I'm willing to bet its fairly old/slow. If its a PATA/IDE hard drive, its mandatory.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



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July 27, 2012 6:45:27 AM

DeusAres said:
Oops, actually didn't catch the RAM bit. I'm not too familiar with older tech. I've just started getting into the whole pc building idea myself.

In that case, he could just drop the 7870 to something like the 7850 you recommended. It'd be more than adequate for the games he wants to play. Then he could use the extra cash to put in the DDR3 memory. Woot woot, just about got this build/upgrade licked, lol. And yeah, I thought I saw something different with the mobo. I was like "hell yeah, we'll go ahead and throw that in". :lol: 


Go with RAM without tall heatspreaders just in case you decide to add an aftermarket cpu cooler. This way you won't run into clearance issues.

You could go ahead and actually add that to the build if it fits the budget...
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

LOL, we've all been there. I'm still learning too, about to start my 3rd semester majoring in this computer crap.

As far as RAM with tall heatspreaders, actually Corsair Vengeance, which is fairly tall doesn't have a problem with most CoolerMaster HSFs, at least I can vouch for the 212 plus, evo and HyperN520. So no problem there.
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July 27, 2012 6:53:33 AM

nekulturny said:
LOL, we've all been there. I'm still learning too, about to start my 3rd semester majoring in this computer crap.

As far as RAM with tall heatspreaders, actually Corsair Vengeance, which is fairly tall doesn't have a problem with most CoolerMaster HSFs, at least I can vouch for the 212 plus, evo and HyperN520. So no problem there.


Glad to hear that. So many people have been telling me they have trouble with the tall heatspreaders on the vengeance kits. Now I won't have to worry about it on my future build. :D 

I actually screwed up on my first year of college. Thought I wanted to major in Chemistry but ended up changing it. Won't be starting my BA (or it might be a BS; I forget, lol.) in Computer Science until sometime this January. :) 
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July 27, 2012 7:59:07 AM

Computer Science is most likely a Bachelor of Science degree.

I personally wouldn't even look at an AMD build at the moment.
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July 27, 2012 8:00:00 AM

I think the 2120 and the H61 motherboard linked above is your best bet. The i3-2120 beats the Phenom in gaming 90% of the time. Even when the Phenom is overclocked above 4.0
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July 27, 2012 8:27:00 AM

cmcghee358 said:
I think the 2120 and the H61 motherboard linked above is your best bet. The i3-2120 beats the Phenom in gaming 90% of the time. Even when the Phenom is overclocked above 4.0

By like 1 or 2 FPS in the most CPU intensive games , thats not a serious difference. Which Guild Wars 2 Is not even close to being CPU intensive.
Seriously, can we drop the fanboy stuff? lol.
And.. uh.. AHEM! This bench cracks me up when people whip out the "Intel is better at every price point". $140 CPU vs $180 CPU, Although since the P II 965 is only $95 bucks from newegg and I could get the same result.. Well...



*Disclaimer* the i5-2300 performs worse due to its dismal clock speed (2.8GHZ) The i3-2120 actually will perform better in gaming (since most games only use 2 cores) as the i3-2120 has a higher clock speed than the i5-2300. However, again, based on Tom's Hardware benches I stand by my prior statement... Which is better? Flip a friggin coin. The difference between 40 and 45 FPS or 50 and 60 is completely on paper and in no way would be noticed by the human eye.

I'd also direct you to this link, since its the one most likely being referred to.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-a...

I'm sorry, but thats not a real difference, and I won't gloat over the fact that the Phenom II beat the i3 in one of the 3 games for the same reason. "even at 4.0GHZ". And I'm sorry if I'm coming across as testy, and defensive, but really the dispute over such petty differences in performance just really, really gets old. BTW, keep your spiders away from me, you have no idea how much they freak me out. Luckily my boyfriend has a Bearded Dragon, and I know how to use her! :lol: 
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July 27, 2012 10:57:28 AM

You are coming across testy. I've been an AMD for 4 years. Truth be told, they are out of the competitive enthusiast/gaming market. They have said as much.

Getting a processor that is built on an architecture from 4 years ago seems stagnant to me.

And yes your Bearded Dragon would mess my little baby spiders up! But when my special girl gets to 10", it might be worth placing bets on! :) 
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July 27, 2012 11:06:02 AM

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You are coming across testy.


I apologize again, However...

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Truth be told, they are out of the competitive enthusiast/gaming market. They have said as much.

But this isn't really relevant. The fact is, the Phenom II despite its age, performs on par with Sandy Bridge i3s for gaming. Commentary aside from Mr. Woligroski of Tom's Hardware, the benches he himself ran show they perform almost the same. It somewhat boggles the mind actually reading some of the statements he makes. I don't know about you, but I have to wonder what planet hes on.


I know this article isn't really talking about the issue we're on, and maybe I'm just taking from it what I want to hear, but I consider this site to be far more honest than Tom's. I know, such a strange thing that I would remain an active member here huh?
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/07/18/pci_express_2...
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With real-world gameplay performance advantages under 10% it doesn't change the actual gameplay experience. It in no way allows us to improve in-game quality settings nor does it give us any advantages over the PCIe 2.0 system. As we've stated previously in this evaluation, the technical performance advantages are "benchmarkable" but not relating to the gameplay experience.


One could easily argue its somewhat disappointing that 4 year old technology can perform as well as technology less than a year old in regards to comparing the two CPUs. Of course tossing an i5 quad into the mix changes this perspective. But that solution also costs twice as much. Although, I guess the back and forth between us is irrelevant until the OP weighs in, but personally I enjoy the discussion if it's productive and civil.

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And yes your Bearded Dragon would mess my little baby spiders up! But when my special girl gets to 10", it might be worth placing bets on!


lol, Dragon, yea, thats her name sadly, freaks me out a little bit too, although not quite as much as spiders. :D 

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BTW, I'm amazed as often as I've challenged the veracity of that article that the man behind the mask hasn't confronted me and tossed me off his website. At any rate, this is some of the things I question in regards to statements he makes in that Sub 200 gaming CPU article:

This one is right before his Just Cause 2 bench
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With that in mind, though, none of the processors come close to challenging an unmodified Core i5-2400.


Really? It shows the i5-2400 45 FPS minimum 74 maximum. i3-2100 right behind it with 41 minimum 65 maximum. but what is he smoking? They both exceed the 60FPS limitation of computer monitors, so the maximum is completely irrelevant, and 41 FPS minimum to 45 isn't "close"? Perhaps hes dyslexic? Another thing I never understood about that article was, he started off with 6 games, why did he only bench 3 of them with overclocks? Did he get tired? Lazy? Bored? Metro 2033 was a bad game to use anyway, really so is Skyrim. Both of them have issues, albeit completely different. Metro 2033 is just a mess no matter what system you use. Its no different on my i5 rig or my Phenom II rig, and thats consistent with the article's findings. I don't know why anyone would bench it for the purpose of showing which CPU is a better buy. Skyrim is a console port which has documented excessive CPU usage due to bad coding. But that one I can excuse, because thats just the way it is, some games are like that and theres nothing that will ever be done about it.
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