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July 26, 2012 2:13:13 PM

This is the system I plan on buying, some things need to be filled.
Please advice me as best as you can, and tell me what you think:

1) GPU: Asus Nvidia Geforce 670GTX DC2T

2) CPU: Intel Core i7 3770K 3.5Ghz s 1155 8MB, CPU Core, (tray)

3) Motherboard: Asus Sabertooth Z77 s 1155 Core i3/i5/i7, Intel Z77 DDR3 XMP, 3xPCI-E

4) Case: Corsair CC600TWM-WHT Graphite Special Edition White Mid-Tower Case

5) PSU: Corsair TX650M 650W Modular Active PFC 14cm Fan >>> Anything better HELP ???

6) RAM: Corsair 2x8 GB Vengeance DDR3 1600MHZ Dual Channel CL 10-10-10-27

7) CPU cooler: shop offered Zalman CNPS11x Extreme?? >>> What should I buy?? MUCH HELP NEEDED.

8)Also looking to buy: SSD drive - Crucial/Corsair/Intel what would you recommend? how much space for both windows and games?

Please share your thoughts.
Thank you.

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July 26, 2012 2:24:04 PM

Your build is very good.

1) Drop the i7-3770K and go for the i5-3570K, same real world performance really... save yourself $100.

2) CPU cooler, I personally love the Corsair Hydro series, so I would recommend the H60, H80 or H100. Get a pair of Gentle Typhoons and you're set for overclocking. However, others will suggest huge air coolers, which work as well. Noctua (too expensive imho) is what is generally recommended. CoolerMaster Hyper212+/evo if you're going to cheap.

3) SSD: go for Intel/Crucial for reliability.
I would get AT LEAST 240GB if you have a few games, and even then.. it's not enough if you have lots of games, especially off steam.
The reason being, you might want to leave 60-80GB for the OS and all applications.
I read somewhere that it's almost important not to fill up your SSD all the way, 80% of storage is a safe amount.. otherwise you're going to suffer a performance/relability decrease.

4) RAM. Why is yours CL10? Get CL9. 8GB 1600Mhz CL9 can be had for $40. Goes on sale pretty much everyday. Make sure it's 1.5v!

Hope this helps.
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July 26, 2012 2:26:05 PM

I just noticed your whole build is pretty much ASUS + Corsair (w/ Intel). I love it. My favourite brands ;D
July 26, 2012 2:27:33 PM

@rex000: most 8gb memory sticks come in cl10 configurations. only high end 8gb dimms are cl9
July 26, 2012 2:30:55 PM

@TheBigTroll, you are correct. I thought he was getting 2x4GB for total of 8GB. My mistake. Carry on as you were.
July 26, 2012 2:36:25 PM

A) About RAM, whats best?
for the Corsair Vengeance = 4x4gb CL is 9-9-9-24 or 2x8gb 10-10-10-27??
Anything else?
B) I decided to take the Ivy bridge i7 3770k, since I buy a system once in a blue moon.

C)CPU cooler: PLEASE HELP, I don't know what to buy.
That Corsair Hydro sounds great, which MODEL is best? do you need anything extra to go with it ?

I wanted to buy Noctua cooler, but they told me it doesnt fit with Corsair RAMs, what should I do?

D)SSD costs a fortune, but it's the future is it not? the build is for heavy gaming, lots of games so yes I have a problem with room.

E) I heard good stuff about the Motherboard I picked, what do u think?
F) Is the PSU I picked right for th rig?
G) Supposdly the Corsair white graphite case has good cooling.
July 26, 2012 2:37:05 PM

rex000 said:
I just noticed your whole build is pretty much ASUS + Corsair (w/ Intel). I love it. My favourite brands ;D


Yeah I noticed it too, I think this idea is nice :) )
July 26, 2012 2:47:44 PM

Ransome said:
1) About RAM, whats best?
For the Corsair Vengeance = 4x4gb CL is 9-9-9-24 or 2x8gb 10-10-10-27??
Anything else?
2) I decided to take the Ivy bridge i7 3770k, since I buy a system once in a blue moon.

3)CPU cooler: PLEASE HELP, I don't know what to buy.
That Corsair Hydro sounds great, which MODEL is best? do you need anything extra to go with it ?

I wanted to buy Noctua cooler, but they told me it doesnt fit with Corsair RAMs, what should I do?

4)SSD costs a fortune, but it's the future is it not? the build is for heavy gaming, lots of games so yes I have a problem with room.

5) I heard good stuff about the Motherboard I picked, what do u think?
6) Is the PSU I picked right for th rig?
7) Supposdly the Corsair white graphite case has good cooling.


1) RAM, since you buy a system once in a blue moon, just get the 2x8GB CL10. It's better for your memory controller anyway. MOAR OVERCLOCKINGZ!

2) Whatever floats your boat.

3) CPU cooler, just get the Hydro Series. That's the reason why I'm using them with my Dominator modules. Besides, having a huge chunk of metal dangling from your motherboard is NOT good. I've seen my warp... so it's best to keep the weight off it. Backplate bends too and doesn't do *** ==".

4) Either, buy a 120GB SSD for a boot drive + programs. Then get some HDDs for the games.. SSD only helps with the load times so it's not THAT IMPORTANT. If you have the money.. just get like 1TB worth of SSD! :D 

5) Sabertooth FTW. I would buy that in a heartbeat if I had the money. Forget about other brands. ASUS all the way.

6) XFX, Seasonic, Corsair.. they're all good. I would get a larger one though, as you may want to get a second GPU in the future. This way, you won't have to buy another power supply when the time comes. 800-100W to be safe/efficient.

7) I have no idea, but it is a quality case so good choice.

** I'm kinda assuming you have an unlimited budget here as you rarely buy a system .. so.. forgive me if my suggestions are overboard.
July 26, 2012 2:53:06 PM

if ssd, get samsung 830 - much quicker than either my ocz or corsair disks, and all around the same price. - 120gb minimum

also will need a hdd. your choice here.
July 26, 2012 2:58:58 PM

honestly, i would never touch the hydro series. they arent even good until you buy a h100.

you have to buy the h100 if you are getting vengeance ram. you will also need to buy corsair sp120 quiet fans for the h100 since the stock fans are like hair dryers
July 26, 2012 3:02:28 PM

rex000 said:


3) CPU cooler, just get the Hydro Series. That's the reason why I'm using them with my Dominator modules. Besides, having a huge chunk of metal dangling from your motherboard is NOT good. I've seen my warp... so it's best to keep the weight off it. Backplate bends too and doesn't do *** ==".

4) Either, buy a 120GB SSD for a boot drive + programs. Then get some HDDs for the games.. SSD only helps with the load times so it's not THAT IMPORTANT. If you have the money.. just get like 1TB worth of SSD! :D 

6) XFX, Seasonic, Corsair.. they're all good. I would get a larger one though, as you may want to get a second GPU in the future. This way, you won't have to buy another power supply when the time comes. 800-100W to be safe/efficient.



3) Which model and why? lets not forget I still don't have unlimited budeget, and theres no need to go crazy.

4) SSD costs a furtune, but mixing a good SSD with HDD will cost even more. Shouldn't I just buy a single SSD?

6)Isn't 800 wwayyyyy too much? Common whats the minium for possible SLI in the future? 850 Corsair costs alot:
http://ksp.co.il/?uin=16001
Someone suggested I take 620W of Seasonic, I also thought 650W Corsair will be enough.

Damn I don't know what to do...


July 26, 2012 3:05:39 PM

TheBigTroll said:
honestly, i would never touch the hydro series. they arent even good until you buy a h100.

you have to buy the h100 if you are getting vengeance ram. you will also need to buy corsair sp120 quiet fans for the h100 since the stock fans are like hair dryers


So Hydro Series is out of the question..?!
It is rather expansive.... and takes some room. What about the cooler I initially posted? or thermal tech cooler maybe? Artic cooler?

Can't anyone recommend a fan&heatsink to get the job done?
July 26, 2012 3:19:44 PM

Still to figure out:
5) PSU = ? ? ?
7) CPU fan&heatsink = ? ? ?
8) SSD/ HDD/ SSD&HDD = ? ? ?

Gaming system.
July 26, 2012 3:20:39 PM

Ransome said:
3) Which model and why? lets not forget I still don't have unlimited budeget, and theres no need to go crazy.

4) SSD costs a furtune, but mixing a good SSD with HDD will cost even more. Shouldn't I just buy a single SSD?

6)Isn't 800 wwayyyyy too much? Common whats the minium for possible SLI in the future? 850 Corsair costs alot:
http://ksp.co.il/?uin=16001
Someone suggested I take 620W of Seasonic, I also thought 650W Corsair will be enough.

Damn I don't know what to do...


3)

H100: The best performing of the series. All purpose. Buy it if you can (if you have space in your case, I think you do). Pair it up with 2 high statics pressure fans (ie. Gentle Typoons (preferred), or Corsair SP series). $90-100 on sale.

H80: If you can't fit the H100, this is what you should get. Get the same fans as above. Just a shorter rad, but it is twice as thick, performs very well. $80-90 on sale.

H60: If you just want a cooling solution that will allow decent overclocking and get away from the noise of a stock heatsink. $50-$60 on sale.

To be honest, they all work decently-amazingly well. I have a Phenom II X4 @ 4.0Ghz (125W TDP, running hot) is cooled by Antec H60 equivalent and doesn't even touch 50c (that's good.). I am using CHEAP Scythe Ultra Kaze 3000s with a fan controller so the performance is there when I need it, and the noise isn't when I don't.

4) I think you've got it mixed up. SSDs are the expensive ones. The more you buy, the more you pay. It's not very economical @ $0.50-$1/GB. Getting a HDD is much more budget friendly. You can get 1TB for less than $100. Mixing the two, will give you the best bang for buck.

6). 650W will be fine for now, since you are only using 1 graphics card. I was pointing out that if you were to buy a second later on, 650W will NOT be enough. 800W-1000W will be future proof.
July 26, 2012 3:25:29 PM

No offence, but whoever is bashing on the Hydro Series.. is just being stubborn.
It performs very well, better than the CoolerMaster. The only thing is that there is a price premium to pay over a cheap heatsink... but it works just a well if not better. But what choice do you even have with such tall RAM?

**The most/least important point is that the CoolerMaster Hyper 212+/evo looks like sh!t. I think it makes the whole system feel cheap, which is not for me. If I'm going to build a high-end gaming PC, it should feel/look like one if you're going to pay so much for the case and sabertooth and awetgaweilguawblguiaweg.
July 26, 2012 3:43:50 PM

A) Wait ... why do I need to add 2 fans for the Hydro series??? my case got enought fans and no room for more.

Can't Hydro keep cpu cold by its own? where do you place those 2 extra fans?
I really don't understand what you guys meant.
I always thought to cool a CPU you need a proper fan&heatsink product.

**Can you advice the best - most practical bang for buck combination of SSD&HDD for gaming?

***Can you recommend a PSU model for my purpose?

Thanks alot, I rather invest more in things like CPUs and GPUs and RAMs, but be smart and as efficient as possible with the electronic parts that don't directly give performance.
July 26, 2012 3:50:24 PM

i see corsair and asus fanboi here

of course you have a choice with tall ram: GET LOW PROFILE RAM DUH. the heatsinks do nothing but make it look a tad cooler

as for the h60 being good, it sucks in every way. if you are going water cooler, get a h100 or else dont bother
July 26, 2012 3:51:03 PM

corsair stock fans are hair dryers
July 26, 2012 3:52:52 PM

750w is more than enough for SLI 670s + a oc i5 3570k/3770k. at full load, you wont be drawing more than 400w. so that makes the statement of using a 800w dumb. 850w psus are more suitable for older gen 2way SLi setups or 2 dual gpu card setups
July 26, 2012 3:54:38 PM

Ransome said:
Wait why do I need to add 2 fans for the Hydro series??? my case got enought fans and no room for more.

Can't Hydro keep cpu cold by its own? where do you place those 2 extra fans?
I really don't understand what you guys mean.
I always thought to cool a CPU you need fan&heatsink.


OK, I guess I should be a little clearer with my explanation.

The Corsair Hydro Series is like a mainstream version of water cooling. You have a small pump/waterblock that goes directly onto the CPU, the internal 'water' transfers the heat to the larger radiator, where the FANS will push cold air through and cool down the water again. This is a cycle/loop and will keep your CPU temperatures in check.

Now, you don't NEED to buy more fans. The Hydro series includes all the fans you need. We just suggest better (optional) ones for the sake of noise/small performance increase. The radiator mounts to your case, which takes the bulk of the cooler away from the CPU socket, allowing you to use whatever RAM you want.

This solution is very functional, and is space efficient. The only con is price (if you can get it on sale, then this becomes a lesser con). Corsair is very confident with this system and provides 5-year warranty. If anything happens, they will most likely re-imburse you for everything damaged (that's what I've read, at least)
July 26, 2012 3:56:14 PM

@Addict
aside for thrashing, you are not really helping.

EDIT: Your comment about PSU actually helps alot.

Can you recommend a model?
July 26, 2012 4:00:34 PM

did you not see the build i posted above?.....
July 26, 2012 4:02:47 PM

In the end, it's your decision right? So doesn't really matter what we say here.

I am a fanboi. I like ASUS, Corsair, EVGA, XFX, NVIDIA. I like their products, their company. So what?
I think they're superior in _x_ ways, so I recommend them.

Personally, I like the Vengeance/Dominator RAM. So I bought them.
I like the All-in-one water cooling solution. So I bought it.
(I actually got the Antec 620 [H60 equivalent], for $40)

As for 750W being enough, he's probably right. I just don't like pushing my PSU to the limit. I try to keep it @ 50-75% usaging giving me more headroom for add-ons/overclocking. This also increases longevity of the component. My advice for you, just buy accordingly.
July 26, 2012 4:10:14 PM

the antec unit is made by astek while the corsair's coolers are made by coolit. slightly different but same function and better fans (antec)

i like asus and i own a corsair 550d (because it was on sale), but you have to find the best bang for the buck instead of buying for looks and things that you will never need

July 26, 2012 4:10:44 PM

What do you think of this cooling fan? just asking.
http://ksp.co.il/?uin=15573
Also the Noctua?:
http://ksp.co.il/?uin=10604
It might not fit with Corsair ram, but Gskill equivalent maybe?

Hydro cost most here, but I guess it's cool as long as I don't need to buy anything else.
Did you mean replacing the fans of the Hydro system? or the case's fans?

I also have the Antech here for a decent price:
http://ksp.co.il/?select=.1066..182..108.&list=1&sort=3...

Btw I buy in Israel, so things are different and more expansive here.
July 26, 2012 4:14:11 PM

gskill ares will fit under heatsinks.

noctua nh-d14 is the best air cooler though
July 26, 2012 4:24:12 PM

I agree, buy the best bang for buck.

However, for an enthusiast level build, you will never get the best bang for buck :(  Or at least the threshold between cheap, value, and over-the-top really depends on what you're aiming for.

Realisticaly, the best bang for buck is found in the lower budget range I believe. Where you can settle for $25 cases, 8GB $40 RAM, probably an i3, $50 motherboards, $50 500GBHDD etc. etc.

This is the probably best value for your money, and probably all that you ever fully use. But obviously, you wouldn't be satisfied with something like this. You want that little bit of extra quality. So again, the best advice is just to buy accordingly.

I only make a purchases when it goes on a huge sale, that's my best bang for buck. But still, I find myself waiting on quality components. To me, a Galaxy GTX580 is not the same as an EVGA GTX580... Patience friends.
July 26, 2012 4:29:59 PM

@TheBigTroll

I apologize if I came off as offensive. That was not my intention to insult you. I respect your opinion, and just wanted to get mine out there too. Friends? :( 
July 26, 2012 5:13:36 PM

For my CPU cooler I use the ThermalTake Water 2.0. Now I see that you like Corsair and if you stick with Corsair I would go with a H100. My ThermalTake does just fine though.
July 26, 2012 5:17:15 PM

the thermaltake units are made by astek as well. if you get the 2.0 extreme, it is better than the h100 since it uses thicker rads
July 26, 2012 5:24:40 PM

Ok this is where I stand now:
1) GPU: Asus Nvidia Geforce 670GTX DC2T => Decided.

2) CPU: Intel Core i7 3770K 3.5Ghz s 1155 8MB, CPU Core, (tray) => Decided

3) Motherboard: Asus Sabertooth Z77 => Decided

4) Case: Corsair CC600TWM-WHT Graphite Special Edition => Decided


5) PSU: ??? Need to find appropriate one.

6) RAM: ??? Not decided - might be an issue to fit with cooler.

7) CPU cooler: ??? Not decided. Need to find the right one.

8)SSD/HDD/Both: ??? Not decided.

Now that you know the "Active" parts of my specs, lets find the proper "Support" for it.
Thanks.

Option #1:
Take Gskill
http://ksp.co.il/?select=.1038..392..796.&list=1&sort=3...
with :
Noctua
http://ksp.co.il/?uin=10604

**will it fit?

Option #2:
Take Corsair Vengeance 2x8
http://ksp.co.il/?uin=15188
with:
Corsair Hydro
http://ksp.co.il/?select=.1066..182..108..112.&list=1&s...
OR:
Antech KUHLER H20 620 or 920 see two items: I can take the 920 for a good price.
http://ksp.co.il/?select=.1066..182..108.&list=1&sort=3...

Option #3 ???

Please help me choose.

July 26, 2012 5:27:43 PM

For PSU, just take any XFX, Corsair, Seasonic that is 750W like we stated already. They're all high quality.

As for your RAM/Cooler... they both will work just fine.

I like Option #2, but I think the majority of people will choose Option #1.
The Antec 920 is the H80 equivalent, should be good (in my opinion). The Antec's mounting system were recently redesigned so if you get a new one like I did, the installation is really easy now.


Option #3 would be best bang for buck and get the CoolerMaster Hyper 212+/Evo.

Good luck.
July 26, 2012 5:28:01 PM

id take option 1

for the case, id suggest the carbide 500R instead. its cheaper and has much better temps
July 26, 2012 5:36:45 PM

Listen regarding Option #2?
Do you guys like the Antech H2O cooler? which should I get 620 or 920?
620 costs like Noctua , 920 cost less than Hydro 100.

So I'm thinking balance of budget, looks, and advanced liquid cooling might be the Antech 920, possibly better than Noctua, Not sure which works better.
---
@TheBigTroll
I couldn't find the case you were refering too. The case I picked surely is expansive, but some recommended it for its space and cooling. don't know if its true.
---
PSU - can't find XFX. Not sure about Modular or not.
July 26, 2012 5:39:16 PM

You will have to do your own research there, I can't pull out all the charts for you.

But if I had to guess.. It would be like this:

212+/evo < 620/H60 < Noctua < 920/H80 < H100...

That's just an estimate.. you have to factor in cost so you get the best bang for buck; taking your needs into consideration. But as far as I can tell... you get what you pay for.
July 26, 2012 5:41:45 PM

My need is that my CPU will stay cold, proteced from Dust if possible, and safe for a long time. I might want to OC in the future, so when I will, I wouldn't want to worry about temps much.

If I have no choice, I will take H100, but I thought you like the Antech type.
July 26, 2012 5:42:40 PM

the noctua performs better than a 920 or h80 but performs 2-5 degrees under a h100. the main difference is that the noctua is much quieter than both solutions
July 26, 2012 5:46:46 PM

Well all the coolers will fit your need. how heavy of an overclock are you planning to do? The more you spend, the cooler your CPU.

Again, I only buy when things are on sale, hence, best bang for buck. For me, the Antec 620 was $40, which was the cheapest I've ever seen it. The benefit of the 620 is the flexible tubing... but that's all that I can see. 3 years warranty.

The Corsair has a better mounting system (maybe it's similar now), but the tubes are not flexible enough to bend around. The real benefit of choosing Corsair is the 5 year warranty and the tech support they have. If the Corsair H60 was $40, I would've taken it for the extended warranty alone.

Same story goes for the 920 vs H80. Buy whatever is cheaper. If you need the best, then you can get the H100.

I have not done extensive research on Air Coolers so I cannot comment. TheBigTroll?
July 26, 2012 5:49:10 PM

I think Aircooling is the way to go, provided you have the space and you have low case temperatures.

I had to go with the water cooling since I have GTX480s in SLI (warm case temps), and I have tall RAM heatsinks.
July 26, 2012 5:49:11 PM

Really? wow sounds great.
I truly heard some great stuff about the Noctua fan and surprisingly it's rather cheap:

Noctua costs: 325 ILS = 80 $.

Gskill Ripjaws-x 2x8: 660 ILS = 161 $.
http://ksp.co.il/?uin=16277

Antech H2O 920: 400 ILS = 100 $
http://ksp.co.il/?uin=13613
Corsair Hydro: 600 ILS = 150 $.
http://ksp.co.il/?uin=13536

What is your take on this Gskill then?
Is that good for current and FUTURE gaming?? Or should I go for 1833 or 2400 etc?

July 26, 2012 5:51:09 PM

I think 8GB of 1600Mhz RAM is enough for gaming... I would think that it is quite futureproof already.

There isn't much of a difference between G.Skill and Corsair.. brand preference/design. Both have lifetime warranty, but you'll have to deal with support. i've only dealt with Corsair so I cannot comment on G.Skill.
July 26, 2012 5:51:11 PM

corsair ram is the same ram that is used in gskill sticks. they are all made by the same processes, just branded differently

memory is good at 1600mhz speed. anyting beyond will result in gains of 2%
July 26, 2012 5:53:45 PM

I edited my message above please check it. with the links and all..
BTW, thank you so much for your help, you don't know what this means for me.
July 26, 2012 5:58:23 PM

i recommmending the noctua nh-d14 since i own one myself. keep that in mind
July 26, 2012 5:59:10 PM

The H100 is too expensive, it's performance cannot justify it's cost.

Between the 920 and NH-D14, similar cost, so decide for yourself based on what I wrote about size, clearance, weight, temps,etc.
July 26, 2012 6:00:54 PM

oh and btw, the noctua nh-d14 is like almost 2 pounds
July 26, 2012 6:02:12 PM

Ok so far I decided on:
Noctua nh-d14
+ Gskill Ripjaw-x 2x8 1600 Mhz.

Now the big question is:
PSU ???
SDD/HDD/both how???
and also, I guess, did I pick the right case???
!