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July 26, 2012 11:20:07 PM

I found this template so I'll keep it easy to read :)  I was referred here by some people helping me out on my components. I almost made a big mistake in components and it's a good thing I came here!


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Approximate Purchase Date: ~Aug. 10
Budget Range: $500-600 total price (with all the shipping costs)

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, Gaming+recording, Movies, music, web browsing

Are you buying a monitor: No (already owned)



Parts to Upgrade: I need everything. Someone suggested starting from scratch but I'll put some components I've been looking at. I'm open to any suggestions. Mainly, I want the most gaming potential for the price.

Do you need to buy OS: No. I have it.
Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Newegg.com

Location: Chicago.

Parts Preferences: None, really. I have an AMD quad core on my laptop, but I'm open to affordable intel processors.

Overclocking: Yes, would like to overclock but I don't plan to go overboard.

SLI or Crossfire: Yes, SLI/Crossfire will be a good feature.

Your Monitor Resolution: 1600x900 (Don't criticize me 1080p people :kaola:  )

Additional Comments: I'm going to be playing games like the Total War Games, ArmA 2 (I can lower AA and distance etc.), Crysis, GTA, Mafia 2, Dirt 3, and, of course, of all the Total War Games comes the best Total War game in existence. Rome 2 Total War.

Rome 2 total war is the most important one. But, since there aren't requirements, I'll assume that if I can run Shogun 2 well I can lower settings for Rome 2.

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: I don't have a gaming PC. I enjoy a lot of PC games and have spent a lot of time on the computer. I have an Xbox but I don't play very many games on it. I enjoy my strategy games the most, would like to play Shogun 2, and Rome 2 when it's out. I would also like to end my Xbox subscription because PC gaming is free. I've spend over $150-200 on the Xbox just to play what I paid for. My laptop doesn't have the power to play games, firstly. And secondly, I need to use it for school. I'd rather keep it clean and fresh.




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OK and here are some items I was looking at on Newegg:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (Computer Case)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (The RAM suggested by Urban legend. Thanks by the way! :)  )

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (The video card. I might get a 6850, but I'm always open to suggestions. It's really more about the power since I won't be staring at my gpu hehe)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (Processor. Again, thanks Urban!)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (MOBO. Urban again)


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**I have used AMD more, to be honest, but if you guys think an i3 is better for me, I'm all for it. But those are some components I like, so far. I have time still to consider the components.

**Someone suggested the GTX 560 ti to me. Is it worth the price? It's $220. I figure it's better to get a GTX 460 or HD 6850 and sli/crossfire if I need the power in the future?



Thanks in advance.

If I left anything out please tell me. I'll reply ASAP.


-Nick

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a c 271 4 Gaming
July 26, 2012 11:55:26 PM

i3 and 6850 will be a far better combo than that 965 and 460 will be.

Try something like this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-2120 3.3GHz Dual-Core Processor ($124.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H77-DS3H ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($43.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 6870 1GB Video Card ($164.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair 600W ATX12V Power Supply ($44.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $613.91
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-07-26 19:56 EDT-0400)
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July 27, 2012 12:01:08 AM

Oh this is excellent! Thank you. But I think I might cut back a little on the case and get a 6850 instead. Would much rather stay in the $500-600 range. Thanks for the links! :) 
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a c 271 4 Gaming
July 27, 2012 12:39:57 AM

Nicklovn said:
Oh this is excellent! Thank you. But I think I might cut back a little on the case and get a 6850 instead. Would much rather stay in the $500-600 range. Thanks for the links! :) 


That case is actually $49.99 with rebate - I wouldn't get anything less because the HAF 912 is the best bang for your buck when it comes to air flow and features it offers. But you'd be very wise to avoid crap brands like Apevia, Raidmax, and Sentey.

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HD 7770 is a bit cheaper than HD 6850...for BF3 (a known graphics card killer), both have similar performance at 1680x1050 (closest rez to your 1600x900)...some HD 7770 cards are faster than HD 6850:


Cheaper but not faster. Look at this benchmark: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/536?vs=540
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July 27, 2012 12:53:40 AM

But g-unit. The 7770 outperforms the 6850 in many instances. You showed the 6870. I don't see the advantage of paying to have one GPU at $170 when I can have one in the $130 range? I can use the Crossfire feature in the future, as well.


And I found a new set up I hope will work. Unless someone can convince me that 8GB of RAM will help me in gaming?


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (mid tower)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (Intel i3)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (Gigabyte mobo)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (RAM)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (Suggested PSU)
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a c 271 4 Gaming
July 27, 2012 1:56:26 AM

Nicklovn said:
But g-unit. The 7770 outperforms the 6850 in many instances. You showed the 6870. I don't see the advantage of paying to have one GPU at $170 when I can have one in the $130 range? I can use the Crossfire feature in the future, as well.


And I found a new set up I hope will work. Unless someone can convince me that 8GB of RAM will help me in gaming?


On gaming builds the GPU is the most important part and can make or break performance. You want to get the strongest one you can get for your budget. Don't settle or compromise for two weaker ones, the cost difference isn't worth it. Crossfiring or SLI'ing is pretty much a last resort - only when the GPU is at the end of the line do you add a second one.

8GB is the sweet spot for most systems - most games will use more than 4 anymore but very few will the full 8.

On that build you posted - HEC cases are absolutely horrendous, don't buy them. And I still think you're better off with an i3 than any AMD rig right now. And on the second build - I'm not going to sugar coat it when I say Apevia cases are among the absolute worst you can buy - they are pretty to look at but fall apart quicker than a zeppelin, and buying a case with a built in PSU has the potential to be disastrous. Don't say I didn't warn you there.
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July 27, 2012 2:15:21 AM

you dont have to reconfigure the whole build, just the motherboard
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a b 4 Gaming
July 27, 2012 2:15:42 AM

Typically, decent hardware with good reputation can be found in these formus or reviews within an item`s store page on newegg. Cases and power supplies are all to often where people try to save money on a build i.e. $1000 hardware in a 20 or 30 dollar case. Anyway, listen to the majority on these cases. NZXT Classic 210, Cooler Master HAF, Corsair 300R, Antec 300, etc - check out the feedback on those.
The power supply is the foundation upon which your entire computer is built. Do yourself and computer right and buy a good PSU.
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July 27, 2012 2:35:51 AM

I say an i3-2120 and a 6850
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July 27, 2012 2:38:50 AM

Woah you live in Chicago and there's two Microcenter's there. They sell the cheapest cpu's
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a c 271 4 Gaming
July 27, 2012 3:38:53 AM

Quote:
Typically, decent hardware with good reputation can be found in these formus or reviews within an item`s store page on newegg. Cases and power supplies are all to often where people try to save money on a build i.e. $1000 hardware in a 20 or 30 dollar case. Anyway, listen to the majority on these cases. NZXT Classic 210, Cooler Master HAF, Corsair 300R, Antec 300, etc - check out the feedback on those.
The power supply is the foundation upon which your entire computer is built. Do yourself and computer right and buy a good PSU.


Not only that - it's a bad idea to cheap out on the power supply because it can have disastrous consequences. With power supplies, and I use all caps to explain this - YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. Period. End of debate. Do not go cheap on this area or it will end very badly. This article explains in better detail than I can on what can happen: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/low-cost-psu-pc-pow...

The power supply should be the biggest concern on a sub-$750 build. That's where a lot of builds get ridiculous because users cheap out on the PSU and case - and a lot of builds fail that way. With cases - cheap cases are just that. Cheap. They're very poorly constructed, have sharp edges that can cut you very easily, and the "toolless chassis" can break really easily. They have no air flow and outdated fan placement. It's best to avoid these.
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July 27, 2012 5:01:59 AM

OK I don't understand why people are commenting on the PSU? I'm not buying a $20-30 PSU? It's 80+ certified. Or I can go for this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I added the 300r case to my shopping cart on new egg. $75.

Also added Antec 300 ($60) to cart.

These are just to save them. I'll decide which I want and remove the rest. And I don't know which case I had that had PSU with it?

I agree regarding not settling for a lower end gpu. I might get a 6850. 6870 is pushing it a tad bit. Thanks, though.

The good thing about my first build is that it was in the lower $500 range and my budget was $500-600. I can follow your suggestions and upgrade. :) 
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a c 271 4 Gaming
July 27, 2012 4:47:20 PM

Nicklovn said:
OK I don't understand why people are commenting on the PSU? I'm not buying a $20-30 PSU? It's 80+ certified. Or I can go for this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I added the 300r case to my shopping cart on new egg. $75.

Also added Antec 300 ($60) to cart.

These are just to save them. I'll decide which I want and remove the rest. And I don't know which case I had that had PSU with it?

I agree regarding not settling for a lower end gpu. I might get a 6850. 6870 is pushing it a tad bit. Thanks, though.

The good thing about my first build is that it was in the lower $500 range and my budget was $500-600. I can follow your suggestions and upgrade. :) 


The 6850 is definitely a better choice than the 550TI is.

And yes the 300 and CX600W is a much wiser choice than that Apevia garbage is. Those cases you should avoid.
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July 27, 2012 5:14:35 PM

Oh wow. I stayed within my budget by $7. I might go a little over for 8GB of RAM. I'll have to see.

Is it really recommended to get 8GB of ram? This computer will mostly be for games and I don't think many games use that much. Unless you think future total war games will? I believe I read somewhere that Shogun 2 actually plays better with 8GB.

What's the big advantage to getting 8GB or RAM is basically what I'm asking.
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a c 271 4 Gaming
July 27, 2012 5:42:38 PM

Nicklovn said:
Oh wow. I stayed within my budget by $7. I might go a little over for 8GB of RAM. I'll have to see.

Is it really recommended to get 8GB of ram? This computer will mostly be for games and I don't think many games use that much. Unless you think future total war games will? I believe I read somewhere that Shogun 2 actually plays better with 8GB.

What's the big advantage to getting 8GB or RAM is basically what I'm asking.


Yeah most games will play better with 8GB - but you don't need anything over that.
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July 27, 2012 7:10:03 PM

Made a build for $520, while beefing up the GPU to a 7850 but dropping down the processor slightly to a i3-2100. You'll have to pick up the processor at Microcenter. The PSU might seem a little low (go up to 500W if you don't feel comfortable), but an i3 and 7850 really don't take much power at all.

Feel free to spend more on PSU/Case if you want since those are parts you can use in the future. Look at http://extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine for a good PSU calc (it recommends 279W at load, so 400+ should be plenty).


CPU: Intel Core i3-2100 3.1GHz Dual-Core Processor ($89.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: ASRock H61M-DGS Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($51.97 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Value Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.55 @ NCIX US)
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 7850 1GB Video Card ($199.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master Elite 430 ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec 450W ATX12V Power Supply ($29.99 @ Microcenter)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $523.46
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July 27, 2012 7:18:08 PM

Thanks simplex, but isn't it better to have 2 4GB cards vs 1 8GB?
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a c 271 4 Gaming
July 27, 2012 7:22:17 PM

Nicklovn said:
Thanks simplex, but isn't it better to have 2 4GB cards vs 1 8GB?


No - it's better to have two.

On that build - 450W will be severely underpowered for a 7850, you'll need at minimum 550W.
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July 27, 2012 7:34:41 PM

g-unit1111 said:
No - it's better to have two.

On that build - 450W will be severely underpowered for a 7850, you'll need at minimum 550W.


I'm sure a 450w is enough for a 7850
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July 27, 2012 7:46:05 PM

g-unit1111 said:
No - it's better to have two.

On that build - 450W will be severely underpowered for a 7850, you'll need at minimum 550W.



So you're agreeing with me? It IS better to have 2x4GB over 1x8GB?

And I think I'll order an i3-2100+ Radeon HD 6850

I would have a lot of trouble ordering a 7850. It's a little too expensive.
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July 27, 2012 7:51:00 PM

Where are you going to order the i3 from?
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July 27, 2012 8:50:17 PM

Sorry about the RAM mixup. As g-unit said, you'll want 2 sticks of 4 GB. I fixed it in the original post.

You'll have to buy the i3 from Microcenter in-store if you want that price, there is one in Chicago.

About the PSU, AMD recommends a 500W PSU for a 7850. Keep in mind they overestimate to cover the variety of systems that people might put a 7850 in. Some might have a heavily overclocked i7 or multiple high RPM HDDs or whatever else. Some might have shitty quality PSUs. The build I suggested is meant to kick ass for gaming at that resolution (and should do so for a few years), cheap and have quality brands/parts.

I don't recommend downgrading form the 7850 since I fit it in to a $500 build, but If you want to downgrade the 7850 (for $200 it's a fantastic price), you can drop down to a 6870 or 6850.
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