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July 26, 2012 11:53:13 PM

I saw a pretty awesome build (at least it looks that way) by a user on youtube. This is what i'm trying to go off of.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_7...

Parts in description. First i want to know if this is a good direction. I priced it and, as i also need to buy an OS, it will be around 700 after taxes and what not. I'd also like more detailed parts info, maybe with links. I'll fill out the template as well. Completely different suggestions are welcome!


Approximate Purchase Date: e.g.: Next few weeks

Budget Range: 500-700,

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, internet, entertainment.

Are you buying a monitor: Need a new monitor, have alternatives until then (Old monitor, TVs)



Parts to Upgrade: Pretty much all. All i have is a 500W rocketfish from a few years back.

Do you need to buy OS: Yes, buying windows 7 home 64-bit

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Newegg.com or whatever is suggested with good deals/better prices

Location: Richmond, VA

Parts Preferences: AMD. I prefer AMD way over intel. And i'm kind of stubborn on this.

Overclocking: Probably not, as a beginner this is a bit out of my comfort level.

SLI or Crossfire: Not even sure what this is...

Your Monitor Resolution: Not sure. But suggestions for monitors, even though i dont plan to buy oen right away, are welcome.

Additional Comments: I'm using BF3 as a measurement. The video could run it on ultra for my price range. Ironically that was the game i had in mind when i decided to build a computer and the man in the video had it in mind too.

And Most Importantly, Why Are You Upgrading: I haven't had a decent computer since 2008. The only thing i've really wanted in the past few years was a good computer. By really wanted i mean willing to spend good money on. As a final note, if its still a good direction, please use the video as a template and fill in any gaps. I know that he forgot a dvd drive. Thank You Everyone!

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July 26, 2012 11:55:28 PM

I apologize but i forgot to add, While the case he uses is a really nice case, and i've seen it in other builds so it must be good, it seems a bit excessive to me. If anyone really thinks its worth the money then i might go for it, otherwise are there any cases to cut costs and still get vent efficiency? thx
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July 27, 2012 12:04:40 AM

Maverin1 said:
I apologize but i forgot to add, While the case he uses is a really nice case, and i've seen it in other builds so it must be good, it seems a bit excessive to me. If anyone really thinks its worth the money then i might go for it, otherwise are there any cases to cut costs and still get vent efficiency? thx


Go to the coolermaster store and search refurbished. There are some pretty amazing deals there. I'll link you to my favorite cases (both priced extremely well)

Storm Enforcer: $49.99 (this is probably the one you'll want to go for on your budget)
http://www.cmstore-usa.com/enforcer-atx-mid-tower-gamin...

Haf 932: $79.99 (this is the one I am getting for my 700 dollar build. Its a nice high end case, but at a great price)
http://www.cmstore-usa.com/haf-932-advanced-black-steel...
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July 27, 2012 12:37:44 AM

Thank You, Crow. I'll definitely be looking at your suggestion. I thought about finding a case on craigslist (no luck) didnt think about looking refurbished online. Did you watch the video? what is your input on that build?
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July 27, 2012 12:49:09 AM

I did watch the video and it seems to be a pretty solid build. Personally, I would recommend the older phenom ii x4 965 over the fx 4100 though. Being fairly new to building computers myself, I can't exactly explain why with certainty. I just know that it is the popular consensus that the phenom line is better than the fx line as far as gaming goes. I've heard that with the phenoms, you get more strength per core.

Also, I might suggest getting this instead of the 6850.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This is more or less the nvidia equivalent of the 6870 and will be a step up from your 6850. With the rebate, it is also the same price, so its very affordable.
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July 27, 2012 12:55:24 AM

Thx! I'll look into those. Don't know much about nvidia so i'll give that a good look. After dropping around 40 dollar son the case a tad pricier card shouldn't be a problem
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July 27, 2012 1:17:37 AM

So, to give you an idea of where i'm at, this is my shopping cart at the moment before your suggestions. (Leaving out the case because thats an obvious switch)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

All told, with your suggested case, it should all come around to 610 before taxes and shipping. How's it look thus far? any other suggestions i should look into?
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July 27, 2012 1:53:18 AM

Maverin1 said:
Thx! I'll look into those. Don't know much about nvidia so i'll give that a good look. After dropping around 40 dollar son the case a tad pricier card shouldn't be a problem


If your more comfortable with Amd gpus, this XFX 6870 has a rebate that puts it down to the same price as the 6850 you listed.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

And yeah, other than that your build looks pretty good! At first I was going to say that you really don't need ddr3 1600 RAM, but costing only 3 dollars more than the 1333, RAM, I'd say you don't need to worry about it.
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July 27, 2012 1:57:03 AM

Maverin1 said:
So, to give you an idea of where i'm at, this is my shopping cart at the moment before your suggestions. (Leaving out the case because thats an obvious switch)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

All told, with your suggested case, it should all come around to 610 before taxes and shipping. How's it look thus far? any other suggestions i should look into?


Oh, and I just noticed you left out the power supply. Kinda important there : /
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July 27, 2012 2:13:56 AM

Oh, i stated earlier that i have a power supply from a few years back. I was tryin to save a computer that was given to me until a man at a computer store told me that, due to outdated wiring, it was a lost cause. Not sure if PSUs are any different now. I have a 500w Rocketfish that if nothing more can hold me over for a little while. I'll try to find it here.

This would be it - http://www.rocketfishproducts.com/products/computer-acc...

Bought it at bestbuy. Once my mobo died i trashed that computer and put this in an even lower grade PC to hold it over til i finally shoved that in a closet.
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July 27, 2012 2:40:31 AM

And will the 6870 make any noticeable difference? the 6850 was playing battlefield on Ultra which i would think is pretty intensive, and on my budget cutting 30 is real nice.
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July 27, 2012 3:59:20 AM

Maverin1 said:
And will the 6870 make any noticeable difference? the 6850 was playing battlefield on Ultra which i would think is pretty intensive, and on my budget cutting 30 is real nice.


I believe the 6870 provides something like a 12% performance increase over the 6850. For only a 15$ increase (I believe your 6850 was $135 and the 6870 is $149), I'd say its worth it.
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July 27, 2012 4:11:07 AM

Hm. The rebate ends Monday but i'll see what i can do. And as for the PSU i have, is it any good?
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July 27, 2012 4:15:19 AM

key question: do you live near a microcenter? :) 
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July 27, 2012 4:16:28 AM

Not a clue what a microcenter is...
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July 27, 2012 4:17:13 AM

Well there is one a few hours away near Washington
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July 27, 2012 1:15:15 PM

Maverin1 said:
Oh, i stated earlier that i have a power supply from a few years back. I was tryin to save a computer that was given to me until a man at a computer store told me that, due to outdated wiring, it was a lost cause. Not sure if PSUs are any different now. I have a 500w Rocketfish that if nothing more can hold me over for a little while. I'll try to find it here.

This would be it - http://www.rocketfishproducts.com/products/computer-acc...

Bought it at bestbuy. Once my mobo died i trashed that computer and put this in an even lower grade PC to hold it over til i finally shoved that in a closet.


That psu doesn't look too bad, but personally, I would look for something with some level of 80+ certification. If you think about it, although the psu doesn't affect performance at all, its really the most important part of your system. If it dies, or worse yet "explodes" it will probably fry the motherboard, destroying all your other parts in the process. Also, I've never heard of Rocketfish.
Still, its up to you. I don't think the psu you listed will explode or anything myself. I would just be wary of offbrand ones.
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July 27, 2012 1:40:03 PM

HardwareSecrets has blown up quite a few Rocketfish PSU-shaped objects over the years. Some later models have improved, but in the absence of a competent technical review (consumer reviews are meaningless fluff) of that specific model, with load testing and waveform analysis, I would not trust it. Seasonic, Antec, Corsair, and XFX have some relatively inexpensive but good quality units.
I could tell you there's no longer any price point at which Intel does not outperform AMD in games, but since you have specified a strong personal desire for AMD, I can let that go. Do NOT, however, buy a FX-4100. A Phenom II 965BE will significantly outperform it, and cost less.
I would recommend looking at Rosewill or Antec cases, and Xigmatek, Corsair, or Noctua CPU coolers.
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July 27, 2012 1:42:32 PM

Build suggestions look good. Definitely go with the HD 6870 or GTX 560 if you're shooting for Ultra in BF3. You might also consider an i3-2120 and a budget Intel mobo - games as well as an overclocked FX or Phenom II. And I've been extremely pleased with my Bitfenix Merc case.
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July 27, 2012 1:54:32 PM

Yes, that's the one you want.
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July 27, 2012 1:59:36 PM

Onus said:
Yes, that's the one you want.

+1

That's a good CPU at a great price.
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July 27, 2012 2:47:47 PM

So whats my risk with the fish? its 80 cert. not sure if 80 plus or if thre is a diff. ive used it a little bit in two albeit low end computers and then its been sitting for a few months. if the risk is great i'll put in for a new one rigt away, otherwise i can save 60 bux. and excuse the language, typing on a phone from work lol.
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July 27, 2012 3:07:41 PM

Maverin1 said:
So whats my risk with the fish? its 80 cert. not sure if 80 plus or if thre is a diff. ive used it a little bit in two albeit low end computers and then its been sitting for a few months. if the risk is great i'll put in for a new one rigt away, otherwise i can save 60 bux. and excuse the language, typing on a phone from work lol.


I missed that it iwas 80 certified. You are probably fine, but should you decide otherwise this is a nice psu here. With the rebate (which unfortunately ends in 4 days just like the other parts I recommended to you XD) its only 40 bucks. Its what I'm getting for my build.

http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=33041&vpn=OCZ600MXSP&m...
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July 27, 2012 3:17:40 PM

If it's an 80+ one it might be okay, but go to the 80plus.org web site and make sure it isn't a fake label (i.e. it really is certified).
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July 27, 2012 6:39:03 PM

Ok now. i think i about have his all figured out thanks to all your help. Just one last thing... j think.. i was looking up the phenom and saw that it is the same price as the 4100. so at that price would it still be better? The fx has a tid higher speed. not looking at it now but i think 3.4 vs 3.8.
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July 27, 2012 10:07:23 PM

The Phenom is definitely better. FX was a buzz-killing letdown.
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August 2, 2012 2:55:19 AM

This board is... well... dead lol. I'm bringing it back though! I plan to buy my computer this friday so i'm doing some more last minute research. Now i'm wondering about my motherboard. Don't know to much about them. Can someone tell me about the one i have listed? Doesn't seem like anything special and if a few more dollars is the difference of a brick wall and future upgrades then i might want to think about a better mobo. Suggestions welcome!
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August 2, 2012 5:09:23 AM

Also. What is the difference between the 100 dollar oem windows and the 180 dollar windows on newegg? By what i understand the difference is that with OEM you're getting just a single version (64-bit) and you're losing support that the box contains (windows support... funny) but all the physical stuff is still there, correct?
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August 3, 2012 12:32:30 AM

Been a minute since i asked those but disregard the one about windows. Back to the MOBO if anyone is gonna read this thread. The mobo i have listed supports a 125w cpu and the 965 is 125w. Will i be able to overclock at all?
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August 3, 2012 12:37:35 PM

Maverin1 said:
Been a minute since i asked those but disregard the one about windows. Back to the MOBO if anyone is gonna read this thread. The mobo i have listed supports a 125w cpu and the 965 is 125w. Will i be able to overclock at all?

Yep - with a good cooler like the Hyper 212. Those Phenoms usually go to about 4GHz - just raise the multiplier in the BIOS.
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August 4, 2012 9:43:07 PM

But wont the voltage raise long before i ever get to 4ghz? And, being at the peak already, once the voltage raises even by one wouldn't it cause serious instability?

And on another note. I bought my computer today. Because of budget restrictions I ended up getting the sapphire 6850 since it came with adapters for molex and if i had gotten the 6870 i would have to buy a new psu which isnt in the budget. My PSU is modular and has ports for PCIe but stupid rocketfish uses stupid proprietary cables that cant be bought. But i've heard some good things about overclocking the 6850 and i've seen vids of crysis 2 maxed out with it so i'm not worried one bit at this budget. Other than that i went with the 965 and the only other difference is a different HDD since the original went out of stock. Also i went with 1333 ddr3 because i couldn't find enough information about how overclocking and 1666 works. And thank you to everyone who helped out, especially those who suggested parts. I would recommend the community here to my best of friends in a heartbeat!

Now back to that mobo question lol. I believe i did hear the 965 (or maybe the 955?) Gets some good range for the voltage. But if i go over the max voltage... as stated earlier lol.
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