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GTX 570, or GTX 670?

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June 4, 2012 2:51:12 PM

Just wondering if I should try and get a GTX 670, or is the price/performance ratio just not worth it. From what I see, though GTX 670 has about a 10%-11% performance gain, but not without paying quite a bit more.

Right now I can get an EVGA GTX 570 Superclocked on Amazon for $279.99 with free 2-day shipping, and no tax, and it also has a $15.00 rebate, so after I get the rebate back, it will have cost me $264.99.

On the other hand I can get an EVGA GTX 670 FTW on Amazon for $419.99 with free 2-day shipping, and no tax, but there is no rebate.

So is the GTX670 really worth the additional $140, or should I just stick with the GTX570? The 670 does have more RAM, but I only play at 1920x1080, and though I do have two monitors, I never use them at the same time when playing games...so really the additional memory seems useless.

What would be the best choice for me? I'm upgrading from a GTX275, so either should be a nice upgrade as far as I'm concerned. Just not sure if I should go ahead and spend the extra for slightly better performance or if I should just go ahead and get a 570.

Thanks for any help!

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a b U Graphics card
June 4, 2012 3:10:14 PM

I would defiantly chose a GTX 670.
For one, it is more like a 33% performance boost over a GTX 570 (your current GPU is somewhere around a 7770 or 6850 below).
It also has more RAM (useful in newer texture rich games, high res packs and with high levels of AA) and uses less power.
You should also consider that if you upgrade to a GTX 670 you should be satisfied with the performance longer, delaying your next upgrade cycle.

If it is available in your region, I would highly recommend the Asus DCU II Top GTX 670.
There should not be much of a premium over a stock unit and it is highly overclocked with a custom PCB and near silent cooler.

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a c 87 U Graphics card
June 4, 2012 3:20:03 PM

Since you're only playing at 1080p, a Radeon 7850 would likely be a better option for you. Less power and less wasted performance, that is unless you use ridiculous amounts of AA if you get the GTX 670. The 670 is more for 2560x1440 or 2560x1600 than it is for 1080p, so you'd have to use huge AA to bring its performance down to a reasonable level and you'd need to have V-Sync enabled. The problem with that is that many people have been having problems with the GTX 600 cards and V-Sync causing stuttering issues. I'd just get the 7850 unless you replace your monitor with a higher resolution monitor.
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a b U Graphics card
June 4, 2012 3:23:18 PM

I would not really call it a driver fiasco...
Simply ditching an unsustainable monthly release schedule to focus on fewer higher quality releases.
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a b U Graphics card
June 4, 2012 3:29:09 PM

And also means less frustration when installing rushed drivers break something else just to fix compatibility with one game ;) 

While I am still a fan of monthly releases, I can understand the logic in adopting a nVidia styled driver release schedule.
Really, at 170MB+, AMD's driver packages are incredibly complex and I could see fully validating several performance increases/bug fixes easily taking more than a month.
Just as long as they work with developers to create working drivers at, or before, AAA launches I doubt there will be any issues with the longer development times.
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a c 87 U Graphics card
June 4, 2012 4:09:56 PM

Let's not say that AMD is the only company to have driver problems. Both AMD/Ati and Nvidia have had problems and both have problems even today. We've heard of just as many Nvidia problems lately as AMD problems, although people don't always criticize them as much because Nvidia has a better reputation since AMD/Ati drivers used to have more problems in the past.

Choosing either company based on driver reputation would be wrong, although you might look into specific problems and if they apply to you, then choose the company that lacks the problems that would apply to you or at least doesn't have them the worst. At least most of AMD's problems are solved in the low/middle end markets and it's mainly just the 7900 cards that have occasional problems and even then, it's usually just ridiculously high end setups that aren't fully supported yet that have severe issues.

Many people with problems on video cards that they blame on drivers nowadays actually simply got a bad card that should have been RMA'd, so we see much more *driver* issues than actually exist.
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June 4, 2012 8:09:01 PM

Definitely the 670. Don't be fooled by the name, the 670 is a much bigger increase over the 570 than the 7x designation would suggest. Its also much more efficient, which means you'll be saving on your electrical bill over time (although how much I have no idea, honestly. Could be insignificant).

I go back and forth between red and green, but I will say my friend has a 7870 and for 40$ less you're losing an unbelievable amount of performance for that small difference. The 7850 is barely faster than my old 5850.

670s are the best bang for buck right now.
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a b U Graphics card
June 4, 2012 8:21:15 PM

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Which means longer waits before your chosen card can play a game properly and fix issues...


Same business plan as Nvidia now..

@ OP, I have owned 6950 2GB that performs equal to a 570, and now I own a 670. I'll say this now, get a 670 and never look back :) 
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June 4, 2012 8:43:32 PM

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There is plenty of issues with the 7850 too.
BTW, have you checked out AMD's driver fiasco....

That is simply not true.
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June 4, 2012 9:05:27 PM

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It is 100% true...

That must explain me having zero problems with my 7850 and its drivers. :sarcastic: 
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a c 232 U Graphics card
June 4, 2012 9:07:06 PM

The 7850's performance ($260) lies right in between the ($200) 560 Ti and the ($210) 900 MHz 560 Ti....that being the case it's hard to justify the 7850. As for the 6950 competing with the 570, it won't give ya the fps but ona cost per frame basis it does fairly well. The 900 Mhz 560 Ti has the same cost per frame of $0.42 as the 6950, tho in SLI, those cards top the 6950 in CF by over 100 fps.

Guru3D uses the following games in their 2011 test suite, COD-MW, Bad Company 2, Dirt 2, Far Cry 2, Metro 2033, Dawn of Discovery, Crysis Warhead. Total fps (summing fps in each game @ 1920 x 1200) for the various options in parenthesis (single card / SL or CF) are tabulated below along with their cost in dollars per frame single card - CF or SLI:

$ 200.00 6950 (479/751) $ 0.42 - $ 0.53
$ 240.00 6950 Frozr OC (484/759) $ 0.50 - $ 0.63
$ 200.00 560 Ti (455/792) $ 0.44 - $ 0.51
$ 320.00 6970 (526/825) $ 0.61 - $ 0.78
$ 210.00 560 Ti - 900 Mhz (495/862) $ 0.42 - $ 0.49
$ 270.00 560-448 (501/835) $ 0.54 - $ 0.65
$ 310.00 570 (524/873) $ 0.59 - $ 0.71

In 2012, Guru3D used the following games in their test suite: Hard Reset, COD-MW2, Far Cry 2, ANNO 1404, Metro 2033, ANNO 2070, BFBC2, BF3, Crysis 2, AvP, Lost Planet 2. Total fps (summing fps in each game @ 1920 x 1200) for the various options in parenthesis (single card / SL or CF) are tabulated below along with their cost in dollars per frame single card - CF or SLI:


Card - Cost ( Single / 2-way SLI /CF ) $ / Frame - $ / Frame SLI/CF
GTX 680 - $ 500 ( 989 / 1578 ) $ 0.51 - $ 0.63
GTX 680 OC - $ 520 ( 1077 / NA ) $ 0.48 - ERR
GTX 670 - $ 400 ( 917 / 1539 ) $ 0.44 - $ 0.52
670 DCII Cu TOP - $ 420 ( 999 / 1679 ) $ 0.42 - $ 0.50
7970 - $ 480 ( 872 / NA ) $ 0.55 - ERR
7970 DCII Cu - $ 580 ( 924 / NA ) $ 0.63 - ERR
7950 - $ 400 ( 746 / NA ) $ 0.54 - ERR
7870 - $ 360 ( 701 / NA ) $ 0.51 - ERR
7850 - $ 260 ( 596 / NA ) $ 0.44 - ERR
7770 - $ 150 ( 375 / NA ) $ 0.40 - ERR
7750 - $ 110 ( 291 / NA ) $ 0.38 - ERR

In the table above for example, the Asus 670 Cu DCII TOP costs $420 each and gets 999 fps in single card configuration at a cost of $0.42 per frame and 1679 in SLI at a cost of $0.50 per frame. The AMD cards w/ NA did not complete all games in the test suite. This should be resolved in an upcoming driver fix. There was no data for the 680 OC in SLI.

As you can see, the lowest cost per frame above $150 goes to the Asus 670 DCII TOP

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June 4, 2012 9:13:53 PM

I was gonna say! Glad your card is working though. My Overclocked 5850 had zero driver problems, whereas my roommate's 6970 at stock speeds regularly derps.
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June 4, 2012 9:19:19 PM

7850's performance is convincingly above 560Ti's performance:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/549?vs=547

And you can overclock 7850 to over 1000 MHz without even touching the voltage.

In conclusion, 7850 is a no brainer in its price range just like 670 is no brainer in its price range.

If you have more money, go with 670, plain and simple.
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June 4, 2012 9:20:50 PM

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:lol:  :pt1cable: 

So because yours runs fine, you assume everyone else in the world who has one will have a smooth ride?

And you claim it's 100% true based on what, exactly?

I read several hardware forums and a lot of people say they "hear about driver problems", but that quickly gets debunked when actual 7850 owners come in and say otherwise.
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a b U Graphics card
June 4, 2012 9:21:00 PM

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:lol:  :pt1cable: 

So because yours runs fine, you assume everyone else in the world who has one will have a smooth ride?

..says the guy with two Nvidia logos in his sig. :sarcastic: 

Your logic works in both directions. From my perspective, I see anecdotal evidence vs. anecdotal evidence.

Back to the OP: If you have $400 to spend on graphics, a GTX 670 is the only reasonable choice. A 570 is neither in the same performance category OR price category. If you'd rather spend less, I recommend an HD 7850 or 7870.
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a c 87 U Graphics card
June 4, 2012 9:30:40 PM

First one is a bad card that should be RMA'd, same for the second (in fact, the poster of that video said that he replaced it with another 7850 in the comments and all problems were solved), third one forgot to uninstall the old drivers before installing new ones, and the fourth one is a problem that was solved in the last driver release and was only relevant to 7850 CF, not a single 7850 (was also solved by using an older driver).

Anything relevant today and not from someone who didn't know what they're doing? You searched for problems and found some, but didn't look into them at all. The first two links would have been (and were) solved by an RMA (I've had to RMA Nvidia cards for similar problems too and I have helped many on this site who had to RMA both Nvidia and AMD cards), the third problem would have been solved by simply knowing how to properly install drivers, and the last one is a problem that is solved by using AMD's latest driver or the beta driver for the Radeon 7000 cards.

Now, Nvidia problems... The GTX 670s can have stuttering problems (no current fix, there might be one soon), V-Sync problems (same as above), and I've seen several threads about faulty GTX 670s and GTX 680s that needed an RMA.
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June 4, 2012 9:31:54 PM

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I said that people have issues with the 7850 just as they do with nvidia cards...

What is your problem?

My problem is people badmouthing good products without solid argumentation.
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June 4, 2012 9:36:03 PM

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Where did i say the 7850 is a bad card?
Bad mouth... learn the meaning...

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/badmouthing

bad-mouthing
To criticize or disparage, often spitefully or unfairly

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There is plenty of issues with the 7850 too.
BTW, have you checked out AMD's driver fiasco....


You were saying...?
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a c 87 U Graphics card
June 4, 2012 9:36:55 PM

sublime2k, I think that you are way overreacting. recon-uk said that there have been issues with 7850s. This is true. There have been issues with pretty much every card that I can even think of. Simply saying that AMD's new driver release schedule is the same method that Nvidia uses and that GTX 670s have had problems too would have sufficed.

@OP

Buy whatever card that you are willing to pay for. In its performance range, the 7850 is generally the best purchase. In its performance range, the 670 is also a great purchase. However, they are not in the same performance range nor budget range. For 1080p, the 7850 is a great choice. For 2560x1600, the GTX 670 is a great choice. Either card being used in the other resolution without either (670) increasing AA and such greatly or (7850) being overclocked greatly would be a poor choice.
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June 4, 2012 9:40:42 PM

I just think saying 7850 has plenty of issues is harsh and incorrect, that's all. Not overreacting.
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a c 87 U Graphics card
June 4, 2012 9:42:07 PM

That's subjective. How do you define "plenty"? Your exact definition might be different from someone else'. I think that it would be correct to say that the 7850 has had plenty of issues. It is also correct to say that the driver related issues have mostly been solved by now and that other issues (IE hardware issues), like all other cards, will always happen occasionally and a simple RMA should solve them.
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