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July 27, 2012 4:16:09 PM

Having been without a desktop for a few years now I'm planning to build my first ever computer for gaming, and I don't know a lot about computers! I've done some research and would like some advice and opinions on the following build. My budget is just over £1,000.

Motherboard: ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77 Intel Series 7
CPU: Intel Sandybridge i7-2600K Unlocked Core i7 Quad-Core Processor (3.40GHz, 8MB Cache, Socket 1155)
Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM 1TB SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache
Graphics Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 670 2GB GDDR5
RAM: Corsair Vengeance CMZ16GX3M4A1600C9 16GB 4x4GB 1600MHz CL9 DDR3

I can't decide on an optical drive; does it even make much of a difference? I'd like one that can read Blu-ray discs, and read/write DVDs/CDs. The speed at which it burns the disc isn't really an issue.

I also don't know many watts I need from a power supply. The description on Amazon for the graphics card says "Wattage: 500w", does this mean I need at least 500w just for the graphics card? Similarly the processor says "Wattage: 95w" but I can't find anything for the other components.

Do I need a cooler for the processor?

Also any case recommendations?

Many thanks in advance!

Rob

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July 27, 2012 4:19:52 PM

ok first knock off 8gb ram , you only need 8gb, will also suggest using the new Ivy bridge i5 for example i5 3570k has the same clock speed as the i7. You will never use Hyperthreading for gaming. if your doing some Overclocking in the future pick up a Cooler Master Evo 212 it will let you Overclock your cpu to roughly 4.3ghz
July 27, 2012 4:35:34 PM

Am I not likely to need the additional RAM for the future though as game requirements continue to increase?

Will the i5 processor you mentioned be just as good for gaming as the i7 I suggested? Again, will the i7 not set me up better for the future?

What is hyperthreading?

And how do I work out the power requirements?

Thanks for your advice.
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July 27, 2012 4:42:47 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper-threading

that talks about hyperthreading
i5 3570k will be slighty better for gaming as it doesnt utilize the hyperthreading for gaming. 16GB is really pushing it. 8gb ram and you can still run 2 game instances plus multiple Browser windows, Trust me i know how much i can do on 8gb ram
July 27, 2012 5:07:06 PM

Having trouble finding that motherboard in the UK; what about this one:

Gigabyte GA-Z68XP-UD3P Z68 Socket 1155

Only problem is I can't see anything that says it's compatible with the Intel 3rd Generation Core i5-3570K CPU, only 2nd generation?
July 27, 2012 5:31:38 PM

If you dont really need the extra's of the GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-UD5H or the ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77 then just pick up an Asrock Z77 Extreme4.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Its much cheaper than both and will overclock your CPU just as high.

You should also take a look at this power supply.It's powerfull enough to drive your PC even if you add another GTX 670 and overclock it as high as it can go.It's not as efficient as the one g-unit suggested but it features a modular cabling design which means there won't be flying cables in your case.

You wanted your PC to be able to read Blu-ray disks so here's a drive that can both read them and write on them.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

About the CPU Shockattackr is a bit wrong here.There are already games that use more than four cores so if you play them the 2600K will be a lot faster than a 3570K.They aren't a lot though but there will soon be more of them.

Im just going to give some examples of them
Civilization 5
Dead Rising 2
Metro 2033

Also the 2600K overclock's a lot better becasue it runs cooler.

If you've got the extra money though i suggest you buy a LGA 2011 motherboard an a Intel Core i7 3820.That way you'll have an upgrade path to Ivy Bridge-E unlike LGA 1155 which is a dead platform.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Now lets talk about the graphics card.The one you chose is pretty good but this one is even better.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
It uses a better cooler so it will be much more silent both at idle and under load.It's also a bit faster.
July 27, 2012 5:36:12 PM

Okay, here's what my build looks like now:

Motherboard: Gigabyte SKT-1155 Z77X-D3H Motherboard
CPU: Intel 3rd Generation Core i5-3570K CPU (4 x 3.40GHz, Ivy Bridge, Socket 1155, 6Mb L3 Cache, Intel Turbo Boost Technology 2.0)
Power supply: OCZ Silencer Mk II Series 750W
Hard drive: Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM 1TB SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache
Graphics card: EVGA GeForce GTX 670 2GB GDDR5
RAM: Corsair CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9 8GB 1600MHz CL9 DDR3 Vengeance Memory Two Module Kit

Will 750w be enough power? I can't seem to find all the requirements for the components, although on Amazon the graphics card wattage is 500, can this be right???

I'm also unsure about a Sound Card, as I've read that the ~£30 Creative Labs Sound Blasters seem to have issues with Windows 7?
July 27, 2012 5:37:57 PM

USE on board sound, it has improved in the ages
July 27, 2012 5:49:51 PM

I don't know if you need to include peripherals or an OS into your budget, but assuming you don't, here's what I put together:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£174.73 @ CCL Computers)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£26.65 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£109.99 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Kingston HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£37.26 @ CCL Computers)
Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Black 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£67.70 @ CCL Computers)
Hard Drive: Crucial M4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£82.94 @ Scan.co.uk)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card (£336.98 @ Dabs)
Case: NZXT Phantom (Black) ATX Full Tower Case (£94.94 @ Scan.co.uk)
Power Supply: Antec 620W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£69.12 @ CCL Computers)
Optical Drive: Sony BD-5750H Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer (£56.72 @ CCL Computers)
Total: £1057.03
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-07-27 18:29 BST+0100)

Some things to note:
- Total cost will probably be higher (shipping, taxes, merchant preference, etc)
- The optical drive reads and writes BluRay, CD, and DVD, and is very expensive. PC Part Picker probably doesn't have all the optical drives available to you, so check around some websites and see if you can't find something that'll fit you (unless you do want it).
- Case is a big point of preference: one of my preferences is the NZXT Phantom. If something that ginormous doesn't suit you (or the color, or style, or whatever), we can give you plenty of good suggestions (just be specific about what you're looking for: style, build quality, features, airflow, etc).
- This is a little over budget/close to budget, so consider this more of a starting point than anything. There's still room to shave off some money without losing too much functionality.
July 28, 2012 12:01:16 PM

Thanks for all your advice, and that PC Part Picker website is superb! Here's my final build and parts which have been ordered:

Case: NZXT Phantom USB 3.0 Big Tower Chassis - Black

Motherboard: AsRock Z77 Extreme4 Motherboard (Socket 1155, Intel Z77, Up to 32GB DDR3, ATX, 2 x SATA3 6.0 Gb/s)

Processor: Intel 3rd Generation Core i5-3570K CPU (4 x 3.40GHz, Ivy Bridge, Socket 1155, 6Mb L3 Cache, Intel Turbo Boost Technology 2.0)

Hard Drive: Seagate 3.5 inch 1TB Barracuda Desktop Hard Drive

RAM: Crucial 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800 UDIMM 240 Pin Memory Module Kit

Graphics Card: EVGA GeF GTX 670 2GB GDDR5 Graphic Card

Optical Drive: LG BH10LS38.AUAR 10x Internal BD-RW Retail Kit

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium with Service Pack 1, 64-bit, English, 1 Pack, DSP OEI (PC)

I have a further 2 questions though!

1. Is a processor cooler really necessary? I don't mind paying the extra £30 odd if it is something that I should get. My plan currently is not to do any overclocking (not that I evenreally know what it is or how to do it!)

2. How much power will I need from the power supply?? I can't seem to find this information anywhere!

Many thanks once again!
July 28, 2012 3:22:37 PM

Anyone got any advice for the power supply??
July 28, 2012 3:27:30 PM

The CPU does run cooler with an aftermarket cooler. The PSU should be 650W-700W. That is more than enough for the build, and gives you flexibility for future upgrades.
July 28, 2012 5:38:34 PM

You could easily get away with a 500W power supply with those parts, although I'd stick to 620+ for expandability. The two big power draws in a computer are its video card and CPU - 190W and 77W, respectively (190 for an overclocked 670 at full blast).

On the cooler, like obsama said - it'll run colder with something like a Hyper212. If you're not planning on overclocking right away, you can pass on it for now and save for something better. Either way, don't try overclocking it (despite being relatively straightforward) without a 3rd party cooler.
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