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June 5, 2012 3:26:28 AM

Hello,
i got a inspiron 620
watt 300
i3 2120 cpu 3.30ghz
6gb rab
64-bit
Intel® HD Graphics 2000
screen resolution 1920x1200
on a hp w2408h monitor

what is the best graphic card i can upgrade to without upgrading watt? i read a lot of threads recommending 6670 but when i look at newegg i'm confused as to which 6670 is the best?

and my other major question is will upgrading my graphic card increase the quality of the same video i see in Intel® HD Graphics 2000?
when i watch a video on 1080p on Intel® HD Graphics 2000 the video doesn't look really HD but will the very same video look more HD with a better graphic card?

all advice and recommendation appreciated!
a c 109 U Graphics card
June 5, 2012 3:40:44 AM

Radeon 6670.

There are two versions, one with DDR3 memory and one with GDDR5 memory. The one with GDDR5 memory is faster!
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a c 99 U Graphics card
June 5, 2012 4:53:06 AM

+1^

Grab the 6670 GDDR5 version.
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June 5, 2012 6:23:56 AM

needHDsetup said:
Hello,
i got a inspiron 620
watt 300
i3 2120 cpu 3.30ghz
6gb rab
64-bit
Intel® HD Graphics 2000
screen resolution 1920x1200
on a hp w2408h monitor

what is the best graphic card i can upgrade to without upgrading watt? i read a lot of threads recommending 6670 but when i look at newegg i'm confused as to which 6670 is the best?

and my other major question is will upgrading my graphic card increase the quality of the same video i see in Intel® HD Graphics 2000?
when i watch a video on 1080p on Intel® HD Graphics 2000 the video doesn't look really HD but will the very same video look more HD with a better graphic card?

all advice and recommendation appreciated!

At 1920x1080, you need at least a 6850/7770 but if you do not want to upgrade your PSU, the best bet is 7750 800Mhz.
It will perform much better than 6670 specially at 1920x1080. I specify the 7750 800Mhz version because there are 7750 900Mhz version which will require 1x6PIN PCIe connector which is not recommended.
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June 5, 2012 7:55:19 AM

amuffin said:
Radeon 6670.

There are two versions, one with DDR3 memory and one with GDDR5 memory. The one with GDDR5 memory is faster!

i see thanks for this gddr info!
randomkid said:
At 1920x1080, you need at least a 6850/7770 but if you do not want to upgrade your PSU, the best bet is 7750 800Mhz.
It will perform much better than 6670 specially at 1920x1080. I specify the 7750 800Mhz version because there are 7750 900Mhz version which will require 1x6PIN PCIe connector which is not recommended.

so if i upgrade my psu and get either a 6850/7770 or + graphic card I will be able to see better HD quality on videos when i go full screen? say for instance a random true 1080p video on youtube that would look HD if i didn't full screen would it look like that in full screen mode with a 6850/7770+? or is 7750 800mhz enough? and which psu would you recommend and what type of graphic card will fit into the inspiron 620 psu as well! thanks!
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Anonymous
June 5, 2012 8:04:04 AM

I think you are a bit confused. Youtube videos are always heavily encoded which decreases quality. They do not have Blu-Ray quality if that is what you are asking. A better graphics card won't make Youtube videos look better as far as I know.
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June 5, 2012 9:20:52 AM

needHDsetup said:
i see thanks for this gddr info!

so if i upgrade my psu and get either a 6850/7770 or + graphic card I will be able to see better HD quality on videos when i go full screen? say for instance a random true 1080p video on youtube that would look HD if i didn't full screen would it look like that in full screen mode with a 6850/7770+? or is 7750 800mhz enough? and which psu would you recommend and what type of graphic card will fit into the inspiron 620 psu as well! thanks!

Sorry, I assume that you are gaming too. If only for video playback or any 2D application, the 6670 or even lower is enough so you can get this card & not worry about any PSU upgrade.

You only need the more powerful graphics card for games like first person shooters, role playing & strategy games where the objects are animated in 3d way. For these, the higher the resolution, the greater is the demand to the graphics card. if your graphics card can not cope, it will result to low frame rates per second (fps). Any fps less than 24 may look stuttery & not enjoyable so it is best to select the graphics card that is suited to your monitor resolution & applications.
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a c 291 U Graphics card
June 5, 2012 9:26:21 AM

Upgrading graphics card will not improve youtube videos quality.
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June 5, 2012 9:52:01 AM

Yup. That's pretty much down to your download speed.
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June 5, 2012 10:05:41 AM

mesab66 said:
Yup. That's pretty much down to your download speed.


Actually it's down to the quality of video :<.
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June 5, 2012 5:48:15 PM

I left out quality as an 2o parameter, in that (currently) for the vast majority of folk, it's the download speed that most affects our ability to stream the higher HD or lower SD ends for acceptable viewing.......of course, I am assuming the trend for an increase in video quality choice for the user
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a c 291 U Graphics card
June 5, 2012 5:55:06 PM

I see what you mean, but don't you think internet in the world is fast enough to stream highest quality videos already? Personally, I always select the maximum quality available..
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June 5, 2012 6:14:52 PM

Don't bother upgrading your video card unless you play games on your computer as well. Videos that look bad on youtube most likely look bad because they were shot with a bad camera, or didn't compress well (as youtube compresses the videos users upload, they lose some quality).

The graphics card in your computer needs to be more powerful when you play games so that it can draw the game faster, when you play video, it's not really doing much work, as the screens are already drawn, it just sends them to the monitor (basically, in reality it's a bit more complex than that).

If you do play games though, go for the 7750 if your PSU can support it, these newer cards are faster and use less power (so lower watts). Off the cuff I think it would work fine (7750, from what I read on another post, uses 55W or 4.6A on your 12V rail). I assume that a 7770 will be too much for your power supply, but if you post details, we can advise you better.

If you still want a new GPU can you post more details about your PSU to ensure we don't advise you incorrectly? (They usually have a sticker that shows how much Amps each voltage rail will supply, the 12V amps is the important part, but a picture is fine)

Edit: It's worth noting that HD 6xxx series cards do offer a bit better value (performance/$), however they are less power efficient, so if you want the best gaming performance without buying a new power supply, you'll get better performance from the 7750.
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June 6, 2012 12:11:20 PM

Probably getting true, Sunius, (I've not checked d/l average stats by population for a wee while), and I was getting a bit off topic (too many replies recently...losing focus :)  )
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June 7, 2012 12:35:00 AM

Anonymous said:
I think you are a bit confused. Youtube videos are always heavily encoded which decreases quality. They do not have Blu-Ray quality if that is what you are asking. A better graphics card won't make Youtube videos look better as far as I know.

it was just an example. i got some 1080p movies but they don't look HD when i have it on full screen but when i make it a bit smaller it looks more clearer HD.

randomkid said:
Sorry, I assume that you are gaming too. If only for video playback or any 2D application, the 6670 or even lower is enough so you can get this card & not worry about any PSU upgrade.

You only need the more powerful graphics card for games like first person shooters, role playing & strategy games where the objects are animated in 3d way. For these, the higher the resolution, the greater is the demand to the graphics card. if your graphics card can not cope, it will result to low frame rates per second (fps). Any fps less than 24 may look stuttery & not enjoyable so it is best to select the graphics card that is suited to your monitor resolution & applications.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite... < is my monitor
what graphic card would suit my monitor?
djscribbles said:
Don't bother upgrading your video card unless you play games on your computer as well. Videos that look bad on youtube most likely look bad because they were shot with a bad camera, or didn't compress well (as youtube compresses the videos users upload, they lose some quality).

The graphics card in your computer needs to be more powerful when you play games so that it can draw the game faster, when you play video, it's not really doing much work, as the screens are already drawn, it just sends them to the monitor (basically, in reality it's a bit more complex than that).

If you do play games though, go for the 7750 if your PSU can support it, these newer cards are faster and use less power (so lower watts). Off the cuff I think it would work fine (7750, from what I read on another post, uses 55W or 4.6A on your 12V rail). I assume that a 7770 will be too much for your power supply, but if you post details, we can advise you better.

If you still want a new GPU can you post more details about your PSU to ensure we don't advise you incorrectly? (They usually have a sticker that shows how much Amps each voltage rail will supply, the 12V amps is the important part, but a picture is fine)

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Dell+-+Inspiron+Desktop+-+6...

that is my exact computer so which graphic card would be the max that i can install?


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a c 99 U Graphics card
June 7, 2012 2:21:18 AM

@needHDsetup: What's your budget for getting a grahpics card? Currently getting a higher end card will be bottlenecked with your current CPU.
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June 7, 2012 3:47:12 AM

needHDsetup said:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite... < is my monitor
what graphic card would suit my monitor?

I can get any tigerdirect link anywhere ( PC & laptop ). I wonder what is wrong. [Edited Part]But anyway, you already posted that you have 1920x1200 screen resolution.

Like I said, just if for movie watching the 6670 or even lower (as low as a 6450) is enough so you can get this card & not worry about any PSU upgrade.

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June 7, 2012 3:47:14 AM

fantastik250 said:
@needHDsetup: What's your budget for getting a grahpics card? Currently getting a higher end card will be bottlenecked with your current CPU.

i don't really have a budget but i'm hopefully looking for something inexpensive around $100 or less but i guess i could go up to around $130. would be best if any of you guys have a list of suggested graphic cards for me! from neweggs or other websites that sell graphic cards!
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June 7, 2012 3:49:36 AM

randomkid said:
I can get any tigerdirect link anywhere ( PC & laptop ). I wonder what is wrong. Can you post just the brand & model instead so I can check with other site. But based on your statement below does it mean you have a 1920x1080 native resolution for your monitor?

yeah the model number is
Model#: GM712AA#ABA
brand : HP

highest possible resolution is 1920x1200
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a c 99 U Graphics card
June 7, 2012 3:51:34 AM

The best you can do at that budget is a 7750, find the ones with the 800 Mhz, these don't need to use the power supply. Because AMD will refresh the 77xx line up and increase it to 900 Mhz, you may require more voltage power.
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June 7, 2012 3:57:46 AM

needHDsetup said:
yeah the model number is
Model#: GM712AA#ABA
brand : HP

highest possible resolution is 1920x1200

You mentioned in your original post that "when i watch a video on 1080p on Intel® HD Graphics 2000 the video doesn't look really HD". Do you watch mvk files or from blueray disk?
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June 7, 2012 4:08:17 AM

We still thinking an upgrade with the graphics? I'm looking into this myself for a lan-box for something that doesn't need any additional power source:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

With the promo, it's the cheapest 6670 in the gddr5 that I could find, even cheaper if you send in the rebate. The 7750 would be preferable, but given that the 6670 trades blows for performance in most games, and is at least $20-30 cheaper right now...

The xfx 7750 does look mint though:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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June 7, 2012 7:59:46 AM

fantastik250 said:
The best you can do at that budget is a 7750, find the ones with the 800 Mhz, these don't need to use the power supply. Because AMD will refresh the 77xx line up and increase it to 900 Mhz, you may require more voltage power.

thanks. i see a lot of readers recommending 6670/7750 so i'm looking into that.

randomkid said:
You mentioned in your original post that "when i watch a video on 1080p on Intel® HD Graphics 2000 the video doesn't look really HD". Do you watch mvk files or from blueray disk?

mostly wmv avi mvk etc no blueray disk

joafu said:
We still thinking an upgrade with the graphics? I'm looking into this myself for a lan-box for something that doesn't need any additional power source:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

With the promo, it's the cheapest 6670 in the gddr5 that I could find, even cheaper if you send in the rebate. The 7750 would be preferable, but given that the 6670 trades blows for performance in most games, and is at least $20-30 cheaper right now...

The xfx 7750 does look mint though:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

hey thanks for the suggestion but are they sold out? i don't see a add to cart icon but it shows the price at the bottom

edit: i see it now but required watt is 400. i read on some other forums that the watt is overestimated is that true? would 300 watt be enough for any 7750 or 6670?
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a c 291 U Graphics card
June 7, 2012 8:36:14 AM

It would be more than enough. Both HD 7750 and HD 6670 use around 40 watts on their own only.

fantastik250 said:
@needHDsetup: What's your budget for getting a grahpics card? Currently getting a higher end card will be bottlenecked with your current CPU.


Come on, i3 2120 will not bottleneck any card in the world..
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a c 291 U Graphics card
June 7, 2012 8:55:56 AM

GTA is just one of the games that is CPU dependent, but it does not mean it is a bottleneck. Furthermore, remember that i3 2120 has hyperthreading, which means it acts like a quad core.
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June 7, 2012 10:22:44 AM

needHDsetup said:
mostly wmv avi mvk etc no blueray disk

If your mkv are sized around 8GB to 12GB per 2hour movie, be aware that it is not true 1080p. They are still compressed & fine details are still lost thru compression. The quality of the playback therefore will not change whether you use low end card or high end card. True crystal clear blue ray movies are at least 50GB.

needHDsetup said:

edit: i see it now but required watt is 400. i read on some other forums that the watt is overestimated is that true? would 300 watt be enough for any 7750 or 6670?

It depends on the quality of the PSU. It the 300W is true power, then it can support 6670 or 7750 800Mhz.
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June 9, 2012 7:31:03 AM

randomkid said:
If your mkv are sized around 8GB to 12GB per 2hour movie, be aware that it is not true 1080p. They are still compressed & fine details are still lost thru compression. The quality of the playback therefore will not change whether you use low end card or high end card. True crystal clear blue ray movies are at least 50GB.


It depends on the quality of the PSU. It the 300W is true power, then it can support 6670 or 7750 800Mhz.

oh i see i see i think you just solved my reason for upgrading to a new graphic cards! and i'm going to look into buying a 7750 800mhz graphic card!

thank you all!
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June 9, 2012 7:31:13 AM

Best answer selected by needHDsetup.
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