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July 27, 2012 11:59:52 PM

Hi everyone, this is my first time building a computer and I need advice on some of my parts.

My selected parts so far:

OS: Windows 7 Home Premium
Processor: Intel i5 3570K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GPU: MSI Radeon 7870 HAWK OR Twin Frozr II
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...
Motherboard: (not sure about this either) ASUS Sabertooth Z77 1155 Socket
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RAM: Corsair Vengeance — 8GB Dual Channel DDR3 Memory Kit CMZ8GX3M2A1600C8
http://www.corsair.com/us/memory/intel-memory-upgrades/...
OR CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9 (the difference is the C8 and C9 at the end)
http://www.corsair.com/us/memory/intel-memory-upgrades/...


My questions:

1) What is the difference between the HAWK and Twin Frozr II cooling systems and is it enough to warrant the $40+shipping difference?
2) I chose MSI for their excellent cooling system. Are there any other manufacturers I should consider?
3) Are there any motherboards comparable to the Sabertooth Z77 that cost less? I would prefer ASUS or ASRock motherboards. Gigabyte is also acceptable.
4) What is the difference between the C8 and C9 versions of the Corsair Vengeance RAM and which should i get?
5) Should I consider waiting for Windows 8?

I haven't decided what my other parts will be and I will gladly accept recommendations. By the way, I plan to get an SSD, not an HDD.

Other Info:

Approximate Purchase Date: Within the next 1 month
Budget:
$1000 but willing to go a little over if necessary
System Usage: Gaming (Planetside 2 mostly) and surfing the internet
I do plan to buy a 1920x1080 monitor
Preferred Website(s) for Parts: www.newegg.com www.amazon.com
Overclocking: Possibly but only after my next build so if I fry this one, I will have already built another rig anyway
CrossfireX: No

Additional Comments: I already have a spare keyboard and mouse i plan to use. I know wireless isn't good for gaming but for some reason I already had one laying around (unopened) and I don't feel like buying another keyboard and mouse.

Logitech Black USB Wireless Desktop MK300 Keyboard and Mouse
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I live in the United States if it helps d=(^_^)=b <-- It's a guy giving a thumbs up

Please let me know if you need any more information and thanks in advance :D 

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July 28, 2012 12:15:10 AM

i stuffed a 7950 and made it fit.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/dcJF
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July 28, 2012 4:12:31 AM

+1^

I'd go with the Asrock z77 extreme4

ASRock Z77 Extreme4
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Twin frozr cooling is better in my opinion. not much difference.

the C8 version of RAM is supposed to be faster. You typically look for low cas and decent MHz. but in your case, the cas 9 and 1600MHz is perfect.

No, don't wait for Windows 8. I've actually been hearing rumors that it will be illegal for you to use any programs that aren't certified by microsoft or something like that. This includes programs such as steam. I'd actually just go ahead and hoard a bunch of copies of Windows 7, lol. It's one of the most stable operating systems M$ has released thus far. No need for Win 8.
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July 28, 2012 12:29:20 PM

the thing that i heard from my cousin (disassembles electronics) is that msi doesnt put enough gold in their pcb s making things oxidize fast. the cooler is great though
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July 28, 2012 3:14:06 PM

DeusAres said:
+1^

I'd go with the Asrock z77 extreme4

ASRock Z77 Extreme4
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Twin frozr cooling is better in my opinion. not much difference.

the C8 version of RAM is supposed to be faster. You typically look for low cas and decent MHz. but in your case, the cas 9 and 1600MHz is perfect.

No, don't wait for Windows 8. I've actually been hearing rumors that it will be illegal for you to use any programs that aren't certified by microsoft or something like that. This includes programs such as steam. I'd actually just go ahead and hoard a bunch of copies of Windows 7, lol. It's one of the most stable operating systems M$ has released thus far. No need for Win 8.


I have also heard things like 1600 Mhz RAM running at only 1333 Mhz. Is this something I need to be worried about? Also, can you tell me how many PCI-E ports I will need? I will be using onboard sound if it helps.
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July 28, 2012 3:18:35 PM

Well, 1600 running at 1333 makes no difference at all, but you can go into the BIOS and make a one-step change. Most mobo's have multiple PCIE slots. But, you won't need them unless you plan on multi-GPU setups.
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July 28, 2012 3:35:43 PM

obsama1 said:
Well, 1600 running at 1333 makes no difference at all, but you can go into the BIOS and make a one-step change. Most mobo's have multiple PCIE slots. But, you won't need them unless you plan on multi-GPU setups.

Thanks for the info. Also, should i consider the ASRock Fatal1ty series of gaming motherboards or are they just marketing?
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July 28, 2012 4:04:59 PM

marketing. get regular mobos to save cash
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July 28, 2012 6:12:09 PM

AceofSpades117 said:
I have also heard things like 1600 Mhz RAM running at only 1333 Mhz. Is this something I need to be worried about? Also, can you tell me how many PCI-E ports I will need? I will be using onboard sound if it helps.


Nothing to worry about. Sometimes mobos don't initially recognize what the RAM is rated for. Pretty much just go into the bios and change it. Make sure the timings are set as well. You can typically find those on the RAM packaging. standard timing for CAS 9/1600MHz RAM is usually 9-9-9-24 I believe.
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August 1, 2012 4:53:05 PM

How many PCI slots will I need? I can't seem to find how many slots the 7870 takes up.
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August 1, 2012 4:58:44 PM

The card will take up 2 slots, (well 2 expansion slots in your case)
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August 3, 2012 11:43:56 PM

So what is the difference between a normal slot and an expansion slot?
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August 4, 2012 12:10:25 AM

no difference

expansion slot is the slot that the card plugs into in the motherboard
the 2 slots means that it takes up 2 slots worth of space but doesnt plug into 2 slots on the motherboard
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August 10, 2012 3:01:22 AM

Well, I decided on the LK for the mobo and now I am slightly confused over SSDs. What is the difference between these two Samsung 830s?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The only differences seem to be the model number, product image, price, and the fact that one is labelled as a "Desktop Upgrade." One is the MZ-7PC128D/AM and the other is the MZ-7PC128B/WW. By the way, the 128D/AM version is the "Desktop Upgrade" version.
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August 10, 2012 3:06:02 AM

The specs are exactly the same, the size is the same, etc. Get the one for $100.
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August 15, 2012 3:48:41 PM

Can I get any recommendations on a 120hz monitor and a good power supply?
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August 15, 2012 6:38:10 PM

What is your budget for the monitor?

The 520W Seasonic MK12II in TheBigTroll's first parts list is a great quality one that will run one current gen SINGLE GPU easily.
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September 15, 2012 6:11:54 PM

Best answer selected by AceofSpades117.
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