Sign in with
Sign up | Sign in
Your question

New build - Version 3.0

Last response: in Systems
Share
July 28, 2012 12:01:05 AM

New build - Version 3.0
Following research, advice from forums, etc here is my updated build list.

Build Version 3.0

Approximate Purchase Date: Assembly should be completed by Mid August
Budget Range: £600

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Numerical and computational analysis, engineering software (CAD, FEA, etc), Work, Gaming, expected to be running most of the time.

Are you buying a monitor: No, using my current monitors and hd tv via hdmi connection.

Do you need to buy OS: No, using Windows 7 64 bit

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: ebuyer/dabs/Overclockers (UK based)

Location: UK

Parts Preferences: None

Overclocking: Not initially, but maybe in the future

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe

Additional Comments: It is really important that the system can manage numerical computations, efficiently. Currently for example I have an 8 GB RAM PC and there is not enough memory to run some analysis. For my analysis, I can select the number of CPU cores and amount of RAM to allocate, the more CPU cores/speed and the more RAM, the faster the analysis gets done.

Build and links

Power Supply Unit
Corsair Memory 600W Builder Series CX V2 ATX PSU
£53.98
http://www.dabs.com/products/corsair...JSQ.html?src=2
Case
Xigmatek Asgard Pro Gaming Case - Black
£34.99
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...-018-XG&tool=3

Motherboard
AsRock Z77 Extreme4 Motherboard (Socket 1155, Intel Z77, Up to 32GB DDR3, ATX, 2 x SATA3 6.0 Gb/s, Supports NVIDIA SLI and AMD CrossFireX, Premium Gold Caps)
£109.99
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B007KTY4A...SIN=B007KTY4A6

Processor
Intel Core i5-3570K S1155 3.4GHz 6MB
£178.98
http://www.dabs.com/products/intel-c...-6mb-7YXJ.html

RAM
Corsair Vengeance LP 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory
£84.19
http://www.cclonline.com/product/805...qYe.iolg14D96g

DVDR
LiteOn iHAS124 SATA DVD Write Optical Drive
£14.14
http://www.ebuyer.com/176026-liteon-...oem-ihas124-19

Graphics Card
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 550 Ti 970MHz 1GB PCI-Express HDMI Windforce 2X
£92.98
http://www.dabs.com/products/gigabyt...m_content=TB00

Harddrive
Seagate 1TB Barracuda SATA 6Gb/s 64MB 7200RPM Hard Drive
£64.99
http://www.dabs.com/products/seagate...52780000&src=3

TOTAL: £634.24

I would really appreciate feedback on this current build list, it's seems so easy to get deeper and deeper into think about components. I am particularly interested at this stage in compatibility of components, value for money, and perhaps any other cost effective options you may have to suggest, especially as I am a little over budget. I alos have a slight feeling that AMD FX 8120, is a good cost effective option at the moment (especially with £20 cash back offer at the moment and cheaper motherboards), but I am sure I will not disappointed with the i5 ivy bridge, dispite the additional cost.

Thanks everyone, you have all be very helpful and I have learnt so much since posting here. I hope I can finalise my build very soon and get building.

More about : build version

July 28, 2012 12:21:28 AM

1: id pass on the case. get a fractal core 3000 and it would be way better in build quality
2:you wont need 16gb now or in the near future. just get a set of gskill ripjaws x 1600mhz 2x4gb
3:no thanks on the graphics card, id get at least a 6870
July 28, 2012 12:33:55 AM

Thanks TheBigTroll,

I was trying to keep below £40 for the case, I am not too bothered of how it looks. Just need something practical and functional.

I will need 16GB RAM, I currently have 8GB and it is not enough to run my numerical analysis.

I was tyring to keep below £100 for the graphics card, any other suggestions in this price range?

Thanks.
Related resources
July 28, 2012 12:45:58 AM

heres a cheap but better video card
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX...

the fx chips might actually be better for you if the tasks that you do require a lot of threads.the fx in multi-threaded work loads perform like a i7 2600k. otherwise, a i5 will do you better.

a motherboard for amd fx would be a m5a97 evo.

if you need that much ram, go ahead and get it
July 28, 2012 12:55:43 AM

Is this custom written numerical analysis software or some commercial package? For commercial package, I would check their support forums for suggestions on best cpu/gpu. In general, Ivy Bridge is going to be faster than any AMD chip for floating point and double precision, but there are some special cases. Also some numeric software will have gpu optimization and it may be specific to CUDA (nVidia) or it may work faster on some AMD gpus (7000x series has better double precision hardware than nVidia).
July 28, 2012 9:55:16 PM

It is commercial packages, yes there are some recommendations of graphics cards:

• Nvidia Tesla C2050
• Nvidia Tesla C2070
• Nvidia Maximus with Tesla C2075 + Quadro 40005
• Nvidia Quadro 6000

July 28, 2012 10:30:25 PM

Those GPUs are (unfortunately) a little more than £100 (about 1k more). I'm assuming since they only list Nvidia cards and no FirePros or anything that these programs are CUDA-optimized. That being the case, the 550ti will probably be your best bet.

On the CPU - the FX-8120 is probably going to trail behind the 3570k even in your situation. However, what you could do is (if overclocking is a viable option for you) get an 8120 and AM3+ motherboard (which should be more affordable), and then get a good cooler for it and overclock it. This would likely outperform the i5, though it'd draw significantly more power and be harder on the CPU (especially since you'll run it 24/7).
July 28, 2012 10:37:14 PM

Thanks mousseng, yes for the SIMULIA abaqus program, they have teamed up with Nvidia specifically.

If I were to overclock the i5, then would this outperform the 8120 overclocked?
July 28, 2012 10:41:23 PM

No.
July 28, 2012 10:41:30 PM

Also... when we say the i5 would outperform the AMD, what sort of percentages improvements are we talking about?
July 28, 2012 10:45:43 PM

In gaming, it is night and day difference. Idk about computing.
July 28, 2012 11:47:12 PM

How come the AMD performs so badly in gaming?
July 28, 2012 11:48:23 PM

Poorly optimized cores.
July 28, 2012 11:49:10 PM

thats how a pentium performs around the same as fx in games.
July 29, 2012 12:33:38 AM

Pentium? oh dear...
July 29, 2012 12:35:23 AM

Not that Pentium. He means the Sandy Bridge Pentium LGA 1155 socket processors.
July 29, 2012 12:38:17 AM

yeah. not like pentium 4
July 29, 2012 1:28:02 AM

I does seem that an i7 could be beneficial in my case. I would really appreciate some help.

I am looking for the most cost effective CPU and motherboard combo for the following:

1) i7 sandy bridge (with over clocking)
2) i7 ivy bridge (with over clocking)
3) i7 sandy bridge (without over clocking)
4) i7 ivy bridge (without over clocking)

I look forward to your input. As you know my current build proposal has an i5 3570k and wanted to see if going to an i7 would be feasible for me and be better than i5 option. Thanks for you help.
July 29, 2012 2:01:33 AM

if you are getting a i7, you have to be video editing to get the performance out of it (or work tasks). otherwise, a i5 3570k performs the same
July 29, 2012 6:15:06 AM

TheBigTroll said:
if you are getting a i7, you have to be video editing to get the performance out of it (or work tasks). otherwise, a i5 3570k performs the same

Considering he's running commercial-class computational/CAD programs, I'd imagine they'd be able to make use of the i7's extra threads (since a lot of them are designed to be run in server/high-end workstation environments). That's all assuming he can afford the i7.

Currently, the most affordable i7 I can find is (conveniently) the i7-2700k at £217.64. This is Intel's top-of-the-line Sandy Bridge (non-E) i7, so you're in good hands with that. An i7-3770k (Ivy Bridge equivalent) will be about £40 more. As for a motherboard, the ASRock Extreme4 you've got picked out will work handily - there are cheaper Z68/Z75/Z77 motherboards, but I don't know if I'd go that way if you plan on overclocking, as the Extreme4's got a pretty good voltage regulator (necessary for higher stable clocks), which lower-tier boards likely won't have (I mean to say theirs will be less effective).
July 29, 2012 11:14:09 AM

Thanks, how would the i7 2700k perform against the i5 3570k in all areas?
July 29, 2012 11:24:50 AM

In gaming you would notice hardly a difference.
July 29, 2012 12:34:07 PM

the i5 does slightly better.

if you require the compute, get the i7 3770k or 2700k depending on the pricing. you will se a 5% increase in performance with the 3770k
July 29, 2012 2:33:40 PM

Do you mean a 5% increase of performance of the i7 2700k over the i5 3570k? Thanks.
July 29, 2012 10:00:15 PM

Optbuild said:
Do you mean a 5% increase of performance of the i7 2700k over the i5 3570k? Thanks.

Actually he meant 5% improvement of the i7-3770k over the 2700k. That stems from the minor efficiency changes between Sandy and Ivy Bridge. As for a comparison of the 2700k and 3570k, I've not found any proper comparison between the two; so if I were to speculate (keyword: speculate), I'd say (at stock clocks) the two would be on par in any task that couldn't take advantage of the i7's Hyperthreading (so things like gaming and CAD), but the i7 would take a lead (couldn't tell you how much) in those that could (things like video editing/rendering and FEA).

That said, you may want to do some Googling to find out if the software you use supports multi-threading (SIMULIA Abaqus does, except for in its pre-processor). That'll give you a better idea of whether or not the i7 would be worth the premium.
July 29, 2012 11:52:46 PM

Thanks mousseng, your post was really helpful. I think I am heading more towards an i7 now... lol, started off with the AMD FX 8120, then onto the i5-3570k... now its between the i7-2700k and the i7-3770k. There seems to be about an £80 price difference between the two.

By going for the i7, I go over my budget, but for now I might stick with making full use of the Intel HD 4000 graphics for basic gaming and graphics work. Then later on add a graphics card. I hope this would give me enough graphics performance for now?
July 29, 2012 11:56:34 PM

it will play you games at low settings or so. if you want to play medium, turn the resolution to 720p
July 30, 2012 12:53:52 AM

i will be doing that as well when i get a motherboard. it should be able to play bf3 and cod at decent settings
July 30, 2012 1:00:00 AM

Which Mobo and CPU are you going for TheBigTroll?
July 30, 2012 1:18:45 AM

i got a i7 3770k. i plan on grabbing either the gigabyte z77x-ud5h or the asus z77-v PRO. gigabyte has more hardware features while asus has more software features. depends what you want

the other ones that will be suited for you could be between the z77x-ud3h from gigabyte, asus p8z77-v LK, or the asrock extreme4 if you want to
July 30, 2012 1:37:03 AM

What would be your choice between the Asrock Extreme 4, Asus p8z77-v LK and Gigabyte Z77X-UD3H.

Also, if the mobo does not come with Wifi, is this a cheap and easy thing to add on later? Thanks
July 30, 2012 1:54:59 AM

So, here is my updated build list....

This is my current build, any advice would be much appreciated:

Power Supply Unit
Corsair Memory 600W Builder Series CX V2 ATX PSU
OPEN TO CHANGE (Budget - Would like to spend no more than £40 ideally)
Wanted a power supply to cover future overclocking and SLI

Case
Antec 300 Three Hundred Case
OPEN TO CHANGE (Budget - Would like to spend no more than £40 ideally)

Motherboard
AsRock Z77 Extreme4 Motherboard (Socket 1155, Intel Z77, Up to 32GB DDR3, ATX, 2 x SATA3 6.0 Gb/s, Supports NVIDIA SLI and AMD CrossFireX, Premium Gold Caps)
OPEN TO CHANGE (Budget - Would like to spend no more than £115 ideally)

Processor
Intel Core i7 3770K 3.5GHz Socket 1155 8MB Cache Retail Boxed Processor
FIXED

RAM
Corsair Vengeance LP 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory
OPEN TO CHANGE (Budget - Would like to spend no more than £85 ideally)

DVDR
Basic requirement - Ideally spend no more than £15

Graphics Card
None - Will be using Intel ivy bridge HD 4000 graphics for now, and upgrade to a graphics card at a later stage.

Harddrive
Seagate 1TB Barracuda SATA 6Gb/s 64MB 7200RPM Hard Drive
£64.99
OPEN TO CHANGE (Budget - Would like to spend no more than £70 ideally)

I would really appreciate your valuable advice and suggestions alternatives (where stated above). Thanks.
July 30, 2012 4:52:53 AM

The CX600 essentially gives out the same wattage as a 520W PSU. Better off getting a NEO ECO or a ModXStream 500W.
July 30, 2012 8:54:37 AM

Have you considered the Xeon E3 1230v2 processer? It is meant for servers but does work on normal motherboards, you will get i7 level performance for i5 price but no on board graphics. But the money you save means you can get a ATI 6850 or a GTX 560 (maybe wait a couple of weeks for the GTX 650/660).

You can even drop to a H77 motherboard and save a bit more cash as you can't really over clock this processer, you can also pick up a cheap tiny USB wifi receiver: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B003MTTJOY/ref=pd_lp...

I am using the hard drive (2 tb) and memory (8gb) in your list and they are working well.
July 30, 2012 11:46:35 AM

Optbuild said:
So, here is my updated build list....

This is my current build, any advice would be much appreciated:

Power Supply Unit
Corsair Memory 600W Builder Series CX V2 ATX PSU
OPEN TO CHANGE (Budget - Would like to spend no more than £40 ideally)
Wanted a power supply to cover future overclocking and SLI

Case
Antec 300 Three Hundred Case
OPEN TO CHANGE (Budget - Would like to spend no more than £40 ideally)

Motherboard
AsRock Z77 Extreme4 Motherboard (Socket 1155, Intel Z77, Up to 32GB DDR3, ATX, 2 x SATA3 6.0 Gb/s, Supports NVIDIA SLI and AMD CrossFireX, Premium Gold Caps)
OPEN TO CHANGE (Budget - Would like to spend no more than £115 ideally)

Processor
Intel Core i7 3770K 3.5GHz Socket 1155 8MB Cache Retail Boxed Processor
FIXED

RAM
Corsair Vengeance LP 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory
OPEN TO CHANGE (Budget - Would like to spend no more than £85 ideally)

DVDR
Basic requirement - Ideally spend no more than £15

Graphics Card
None - Will be using Intel ivy bridge HD 4000 graphics for now, and upgrade to a graphics card at a later stage.

Harddrive
Seagate 1TB Barracuda SATA 6Gb/s 64MB 7200RPM Hard Drive
£64.99
OPEN TO CHANGE (Budget - Would like to spend no more than £70 ideally)

I would really appreciate your valuable advice and suggestions alternatives (where stated above). Thanks.



id get something that is at least 750w if you are going to get a 670 later on a SLI that. id recommend the xfx xxx 750w ( im using one) but it is 96 pounds at overclockers

for the case id recommend the fractal core 3000. better overall layout and removable drive caes. 49 pounds usually

July 30, 2012 12:26:13 PM

jk47_99, I have not consided the Xeon, other than no graphics card, what over disadvantages would there be of the Xeon over the i7?

azeem40, I thought the CX600 PSU was rated to 600W?

TheBigTroll, if I were not to SLI, would the CX600 be enough?
July 30, 2012 12:40:11 PM

xeons are generally designed for 24/7 operation with no problems. they also support ECC memory

if you are not to SLI, it would be fine but id get a better unit such as the xfx 550w
July 30, 2012 6:06:09 PM

jk47_99 said:
Have you considered the Xeon E3 1230v2 processer? It is meant for servers but does work on normal motherboards, you will get i7 level performance for i5 price but no on board graphics.

That's actually a really good solution - great catch. I'm going to throw my recommendation behind this as well.

Optbuild said:
jk47_99, I have not consided the Xeon, other than no graphics card, what over disadvantages would there be of the Xeon over the i7?

There are really only 3 things the i7 has over the Xeon: on-board graphics, higher stock clocks, and overclockability. The 1230v2 is 5 quid more than the i5, and a good 30 or 40 cheaper than a Sandy Bridge i7.

Quote:
azeem40, I thought the CX600 PSU was rated to 600W?

The Corsair CX-V2 series is an okay line, but they're falsely advertised. The platform they're based on (DSA I believe) only goes up to 500W - so their 600W power supply is actually a 500W power supply. The reason they can get away with this comes from the way they test their PSUs or something. That said, it's still a lot closer to its actual output than a lot of the junk brand PSUs, and is more reliable than them. I don't like recommending them, but they're good for budget builds.

Quote:
TheBigTroll, if I were not to SLI, would the CX600 be enough?

If you plan on SLI/Crossfire in the future (though I don't recommend it), the CX600 won't be enough. For a single-card solution, especially considering how little power your components will draw, it'll be fine.
July 30, 2012 6:37:06 PM

The 12v rail amperage on the CX600 only supplies 520W on it, so yes, it is falsely advertised. A better PSU is the Seasonic 520W MK12II.
July 30, 2012 8:31:43 PM

it probably wont last that long at 520w even
July 31, 2012 3:32:12 AM

Optbuild said:
jk47_99, I have not consided the Xeon, other than no graphics card, what over disadvantages would there be of the Xeon over the i7?


http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/488/Intel_Core_i7_i7-3...

Xeon advantages -
Hyperthreading and i7 level performance
The Xeon is a server CPU so it is meant for server motherboards, but ASRock motherboards do support Xeons
It will run cooler and use less volts than the i7 because there is no built in graphics
You can expect that quality of the Xeon will be higher as it is intended to be running 24/7 inside a server, you did mention that your PC will be running most of the time
Cheaper, i5 price

i7 advantages -
The i7 will have a very slight performance advantage
Will overclock a lot better
Built in graphics in case your GPU fails

The Xeon in my PC runs very cool, never gets hotter than 50c on the stock fan (this is inside a small itx case!) and I am multi tasking like crazy, downloading, installing stuff, playing music, playing movies, playing games. Combined with my 7850, these two can handle any game on ultra settings at 1080p.

Use the money you save and get a decent graphics card, you can have something which is good for both work and play.
August 1, 2012 3:07:27 AM

Thanks everyone, I am also considering the Xeon now. A interesting finding to add to this discussion. I was having an email discussion with a friend about this and he found some data from ANSYS. Showing that hyper threading significantly slowed the analysis times down!

See attached powerpoint file (Slide 14).
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/47274064/HPC_fracture_seminar-...

I guess the i7 wouldn't help me too much in my case anyways.

I wonder why more people don't buy a Xeon? The advantages seem to outweigh the advantages significantly.

Also I heard that memory errors are less likely to occur, I think this has something to do with the memory choices available.

What Mobo and RAM do you recommend for this?

Thanks
August 1, 2012 5:04:20 AM

I guess people either go for the i5 3570k or the i7 3770, and then try to get up to 5 ghz!

I spent some time reseaching and thinking about what I wanted, something fast and good value for money, espeically when you consider that most intel chips are just the same thing mass produced with different things set on and off.

Not sure if anything fully uses hyper threading, but later on when software is developed to make full use of it you'll have the right processer.

Mobo can be a ASRock H77 as you are not overclocking, and the Corsair Vengeance LP RAM is pretty good in this setup.
August 1, 2012 10:28:07 AM

jk47_99 said:
I guess people either go for the i5 3570k or the i7 3770, and then try to get up to 5 ghz!

I spent some time reseaching and thinking about what I wanted, something fast and good value for money, espeically when you consider that most intel chips are just the same thing mass produced with different things set on and off.

Not sure if anything fully uses hyper threading, but later on when software is developed to make full use of it you'll have the right processer.

Mobo can be a ASRock H77 as you are not overclocking, and the Corsair Vengeance LP RAM is pretty good in this setup.


Thanks for your post, I couldn't seem to find the Xeon you suggested earlier, here is a link to some xeons. I am not sure what I should be looking for?.... Just when I got my head around the i5/i7/fx range.... Xeons show up :D 

http://www.ebuyer.com/search?sort=pricelow&store=2&cat=...

Can you turn hyperthreading off on the Xeons? As it seems that it slows FEA analysis times down.

Also I couldn't see where that mobo supports Xeons and nonECC memory?

Thanks
August 1, 2012 11:11:59 AM

.... Sorry I mean ECC memory, I couldn't edit the above post for some reason.
August 1, 2012 11:26:50 AM

most non-server boards cant handle ecc memory
August 2, 2012 2:01:10 AM

Yes you can turn hyperthreading off in the BIOS.

Here is the ASRock H77 cpus supported list http://www.asrock.com/mb/cpu.asp?Model=H77%20Pro4/MVP

Just use that Corsair Vengeance LP RAM that you selected already, it works great. 16 GB of DDR3 1600 is going to be more than enough for your analysis. You are getting two sticks of 8 GB, so you can always add another two later on.
!