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July 28, 2012 10:28:18 AM

Hey guys!

As the title says, first time doing this.

Initial questions:
What should I expect when building my PC?
Is it terribly difficult for a first timer?
Manuals / Instruction websites? Tips / Tricks?

Computer

Gaming / General use PC
Budget = No more than $2000
Current items in shopping list equate to $1800
Website used: http://www.mwave.com.au

Items

SKU: 16011468
Cooler Master HAF 932 Advanced (RC-932-KKN5) (not sure if needed or not)

SKU: 17090062
Sony BD-5300S 12X BD Writer - 12cm & 8cm CD/DVD/BD Media Supported - 8 Mbytes Cache Memory - No Software - OEM

SKU: 18020624
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO - 120mm Cooling Fan - Intel Socket LGA2011/1366/1156/1155/775 & AMD Socket FM1/AM3+/AM3/AM2+/AM2 - (LGA2011 with Bracket*) 9 - 36 dBA - 600 – 2,000 RPM (PWM) (RR-212E-20PK-R2)

SKU: 19010218
Intel Core i5 2500K Unlocked Quad Core Processor - Socket LGA1155 - 3.3GHz (Turbo Boost @ 3.7GHz) - 4x 256KB L2 & 6MB L3 Cache - Intel HD Graphics - Sandy Bridge - 32nm - TDP 95W - Fan - Retail Box (BX80623I52500K)

SKU: 22140517
Corsair Force Series 3 120GB SATA 3 Solid State Drive - 2.5" - 550MB Read / 510MB/s Write (CSSD-F120GB3-BK)

SKU: 28023651
Asus P9X79 Motherboard - Intel LGA 2011, Intel X79 Chipset, 8x DDR3, 3x PCI-E 3.0, GbLAN, 8ch, RAID, USB3, SATA3, Quad-GPU SLI & CrossFireX, FireWire, ATX (P9X79)

SKU: 34040666
Corsair AX-750 Professional Series Gold 750W Power Supply - ATX12V / EPS12V - Ultra-quiet 120mm Ballbearing Fan - 80 Plus Gold Certified (CMPSU-750AXAU)

SKU: 37141018
Kingston HyperX T1 Black 12GB (3x 4GB) Desktop Memory Kit - DDR3 1600MHz (PC3-12800) - 240-Pin DIMM - CL9 - 1.65V - Unbuffered - Non-ECC - XMP (KHX1600C9D3T1BK3/12GX)

SKU: 42060863
Gigabyte AMD Radeon HD 7850 Overclock Video Card - GDDR5 2048MB 256-Bit - 975 / 4800MHz Clocks - DVI, HDMI & 2x Mini-DisplayPort - Dual Fan Cooler - AMD Eyefinity - AMD CrossFireX - DirectX 11

Any upgrades / replacement ideas would be much appreciated.

Cheers.

More about : time building

July 28, 2012 10:38:37 AM

Quick note: Forgot to mention its 2x
Gigabyte AMD Radeon HD 7850 Overclock Video Card - GDDR5 2048MB 256-Bit - 975 / 4800MHz Clocks - DVI, HDMI & 2x Mini-DisplayPort - Dual Fan Cooler - AMD Eyefinity - AMD CrossFireX - DirectX 11

Would like to be using this PC on max graphics settings for the next few years ^^
July 28, 2012 11:49:58 AM

There is a couple of things you've gotten wrong.

Start by filling out this form.

To answer your initial questions:
When building your own PC you should expect more bang for your buck, experience/knowledge about a computer's hardware, no pre-installed crap software etc from pre-built computers, it is easier to upgrade in the future, etc.

It is not terribly difficult for a first-timer. Just prepare yourself by for example...
watching these 3 videos made by Newegg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPIXAtNGGCw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_56kyib-Ls
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxaVBsXEiok
and research, research, research.

Again, start out by filling out that form :) 
Related resources
July 28, 2012 11:59:18 AM

nafoni said:
There is a couple of things you've gotten wrong.

Start by filling out this form.

To answer your initial questions:
When building your own PC you should expect more bang for your buck, experience/knowledge about a computer's hardware, no pre-installed crap software etc from pre-built computers, it is easier to upgrade in the future, etc.

It is not terribly difficult for a first-timer. Just prepare yourself by for example...
watching these 3 videos made by Newegg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPIXAtNGGCw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_56kyib-Ls
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxaVBsXEiok
and research, research, research.

Again, start out by filling out that form :) 


Not sure how I missed the sticky, but I'm glad some common sense of mine will make it quicker since I have already mentioned most things.

Resolution: Unknown. Current monitor supports 1280x1024 but I'm getting a new HDTV soon, so probably higher.

I'll only be overclocking in the later stages of the PC's life, so its a non-essential feature that I need right away.

ETA of PC - 2 - 3 weeks (this is worst case scenario that I need to wait for pay and 3 - 5 days delivery + fail building time)
Will be using Windows 7 OS premium. New keyboard / mouse at my own discretion.

Priority already mentioned but Gaming --> Study (home use) --> Torrenting (Space wise, internet is fine) --> Photoshop --> TV / DVD's / Burning / RIpping
July 28, 2012 12:01:07 PM

Expect to spend a whole day doing it properly. Gathering components, testbenching, installing Windows, assembling in the case, testing again and cable management can take a long while. The actual building shouldn't be hard, everything slots together and can only be inserted one way. Only bit that requires some thought is Cable Management.

Deciding which components to get is difficult though, because for a new builder, its a deluge of information and can be tough to tell whats what. I know that's what it felt like for me when I started. You eventually figure it all out, don't worry.

Some build guides I learned from are these.

NCIX Tech Tips Build Guide. Its a very good, in depth guide to building a system. I recommend watching a lot of the stuff on their channel, I learnt heaps from there. Make sure to check out the accompanying cable management guide.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIJx6Y3tofg&feature=plcp

And another Build Guide from Newegg. This one's part of a series, the next one details installing windows and getting drivers and such, so worth a look.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_9...

Onto the actual rig.

You have specified a 1155 socket CPU and a 2011 socket board, they are incompatible. Gotta make sure that both the CPU and Motherboard match socket wise.
Here's my recommendation on these parts.

The i5-3570k is the Ivy Bridge equivalent of the 2500k. It performs a bit better, has a lower power draw and supports some features like PCI-3.
i5-3570k. $240
http://www.mwave.com.au/sku-19010246-Intel_Core_i5_3570...

The AsRock Z77 Extreme4 is a very good budget board with features that are typically found on higher end boards. I have it personally and nothing but praise. Tom's recently did a budget board comparison and it tied first. Just a tip, this board is slightly smaller than ATX size, so the far right mounting holes wont line up with your case, this isn't a problem though.
AsRock Z77 Extreme4. $145
http://www.mwave.com.au/sku-28023710-ASRock_Z77_Extreme...

It is preferable to have a stronger single card than run two weaker cards. For various reasons like power draw, micro-stuttering issues and easy upgradability. I would suggest a GTX670 or a HD7970 if you are running triple monitors.

PSU is good, and gives you enough room to get dual cards.

Kingston RAM runs at 1.65v, which will damage the internal memory controller of the Intel CPU, while also voiding its warranty. You need 1.5v or less. Also 8GB is plenty for gaming. This kit I have personally on my rig and so far worked without a hitch.
http://www.mwave.com.au/sku-37140549-G_Skill_RipJaws_8G...(2x_4GB)_Dual_Channel_DDR3_Memory_-_PC3-12800_(1600MHz)_-_24

Where's your Hard Drive? You will need more than the 120GB the SSD will provide.
http://www.mwave.com.au/sku-22040466-Seagate_Barracuda_...(HDD

Make sure to check out PC Case Gear, MSY and Umart. They often have the cheapest prices between them, especially if you live in Melbourne as you can pick up from PC Case Gear locally.
http://www.pccasegear.com/
http://www.msy.com.au/index.jsp
http://www.umart.com.au/
July 28, 2012 12:19:05 PM

manofchalk said:
Expect to spend a whole day doing it properly. Gathering components, testbenching, installing Windows, assembling in the case, testing again and cable management can take a long while. The actual building shouldn't be hard, everything slots together and can only be inserted one way. Only bit that requires some thought is Cable Management.

Deciding which components to get is difficult though, because for a new builder, its a deluge of information and can be tough to tell whats what. I know that's what it felt like for me when I started. You eventually figure it all out, don't worry.

Some build guides I learned from are these.

NCIX Tech Tips Build Guide. Its a very good, in depth guide to building a system. I recommend watching a lot of the stuff on their channel, I learnt heaps from there. Make sure to check out the accompanying cable management guide.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIJx6Y3tofg&feature=plcp

And another Build Guide from Newegg. This one's part of a series, the next one details installing windows and getting drivers and such, so worth a look.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_9...

Onto the actual rig.

You have specified a 1155 socket CPU and a 2011 socket board, they are incompatible. Gotta make sure that both the CPU and Motherboard match socket wise.
Here's my recommendation on these parts.

The i5-3570k is the Ivy Bridge equivalent of the 2500k. It performs a bit better, has a lower power draw and supports some features like PCI-3.
i5-3570k. $240
http://www.mwave.com.au/sku-19010246-Intel_Core_i5_3570...

The AsRock Z77 Extreme4 is a very good budget board with features that are typically found on higher end boards. I have it personally and nothing but praise. Tom's recently did a budget board comparison and it tied first. Just a tip, this board is slightly smaller than ATX size, so the far right mounting holes wont line up with your case, this isn't a problem though.
AsRock Z77 Extreme4. $145
http://www.mwave.com.au/sku-28023710-ASRock_Z77_Extreme...

It is preferable to have a stronger single card than run two weaker cards. For various reasons like power draw, micro-stuttering issues and easy upgradability. I would suggest a GTX670 or a HD7970 if you are running triple monitors.

PSU is good, and gives you enough room to get dual cards.

Kingston RAM runs at 1.65v, which will damage the internal memory controller of the Intel CPU, while also voiding its warranty. You need 1.5v or less. Also 8GB is plenty for gaming. This kit I have personally on my rig and so far worked without a hitch.
http://www.mwave.com.au/sku-37140549-G_Skill_RipJaws_8G...(2x_4GB)_Dual_Channel_DDR3_Memory_-_PC3-12800_(1600MHz)_-_24

Where's your Hard Drive? You will need more than the 120GB the SSD will provide.
http://www.mwave.com.au/sku-22040466-Seagate_Barracuda_...(HDD

Make sure to check out PC Case Gear, MSY and Umart. They often have the cheapest prices between them, especially if you live in Melbourne as you can pick up from PC Case Gear locally.
http://www.pccasegear.com/
http://www.msy.com.au/index.jsp
http://www.umart.com.au/


I feel like I owe you money for this =P

Ok - SO I went in and changed a few items around per your instructions (so many details I didn't know about).
The only thing I havent changed are the cards, as I wont be running tripple monitor. I will actually be using my Flatscreen HD TV with one of those...buttons around back to swap between PC and TV (lack of room on desk). Would you still recomment 1 stronger card than 2 smaller ones?

Edited build

SKU: 16011468
Cooler Master HAF 932 Advanced (RC-932-KKN5)

SKU: 17090062
Sony BD-5300S 12X BD Writer - 12cm & 8cm CD/DVD/BD Media Supported - 8 Mbytes Cache Memory - No Software - OEM

SKU: 18020624
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO - 120mm Cooling Fan - Intel Socket LGA2011/1366/1156/1155/775 & AMD Socket FM1/AM3+/AM3/AM2+/AM2 - (LGA2011 with Bracket*) 9 - 36 dBA - 600 – 2,000 RPM (PWM) (RR-212E-20PK-R2)

SKU: 19010246
Intel Core i5 3570K Unlocked Quad Core 3rd Gen Processor - Socket LGA1155 - 3.4GHz (Turbo Boost @ 3.8GHz) - Smart Cache 6MB - Intel HD Graphics 4000 - Ivy Bridge - 22nm - TDP 77W - Fan - Retail Box (BX80637I53570K)

SKU: 22040466
Seagate Barracuda 7200.14 3.5" 1TB SATA 6.0Gb/s 7200RPM 64MB Hard Drive (HDD) (ST1000DM003) x2

SKU: 22140517
Corsair Force Series 3 120GB SATA 3 Solid State Drive - 2.5" - 550MB Read / 510MB/s Write (CSSD-F120GB3-BK)

SKU: 28023651
Asus P9X79 Motherboard - Intel LGA 2011, Intel X79 Chipset, 8x DDR3, 3x PCI-E 3.0, GbLAN, 8ch, RAID, USB3, SATA3, Quad-GPU SLI & CrossFireX, FireWire, ATX (P9X79)

SKU: 34040666
Corsair AX-750 Professional Series Gold 750W Power Supply - ATX12V / EPS12V - Ultra-quiet 120mm Ballbearing Fan - 80 Plus Gold Certified (CMPSU-750AXAU)

SKU: 37140549
G.Skill RipJaws 8GB (2x 4GB) Dual Channel DDR3 Memory - PC3-12800 (1600MHz) - 240-pin DIMM - Non-ECC - Unbuffered - CL 9-9-9-24-2N (F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL)

SKU: 42060863
Gigabyte AMD Radeon HD 7850 Overclock Video Card - GDDR5 2048MB 256-Bit - 975 / 4800MHz Clocks - DVI, HDMI & 2x Mini-DisplayPort - Dual Fan Cooler - AMD Eyefinity - AMD CrossFireX - DirectX 11 x2

I'm not sure if I missed anything. I tried to follow your post word by word, take up the instructions.
This is LITERALY the first time I have done this and so when you told me to swap x with y, it takes me a while to see exactly what you have specified. I have read up on parts individually and am not 100% sure what works with what.

Really appreciate the help though.

Current price - $1900
July 28, 2012 12:33:24 PM

You still have a 2011 board and 1155 CPU. The reason why these are incompatible is that they will literally not fit each other. A 2011 socket is too big for a 1155 CPU. This pic shows the difference in size between 1155 and 2011 CPU's. 2011 CPU's perform better due to the more size to cram transistors into, but are pretty expensive and in gaming you wont see any performance benefit.
http://www.sotechdesign.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/...

I still think a stronger single card is a better option. Dual Crossfire/SLI wont have any advantage on a single monitor vs a single card. A single GTX670 will easily max out modern games and any future games (~2-3yrs).
July 28, 2012 1:28:19 PM

Ah, it appears my last post didnt post.
New card:
Inno3D GeForce GTX 670 Overclocked iChill Video Card - GDDR5 2GB 256-bit - GPU Clocks: 1020MHz (Boost: 1071MHz) Memory: 6200MHz - 2x DL-DVI, HDMI & DisplayPort - NVIDIA 3D Vision - NVIDIA Boost Technology - NVIDIA PhysX (G670-1SDN-E5DSX)

New Board:
MSI X79A-GD45 Motherboard - LGA2011 Socket - PCI Express Gen 3 - Military Class III Components - Supports AMD CrossfireX & NVIDIA SLI Technology (X79A-GD45)
(The one you suggested was out of stock)

I really appreciate your help, and my apologies if I keep getting it 'wrong' per-se.

I still have the 1155 CPU and am currently swapping around the MB as I'm not sure how to tell if they're compatible or not.

If they're still not, any chance you could give a complete newb a simplified version of

Replace

MSI X79A-GD45 Motherboard - LGA2011 Socket - PCI Express Gen 3 - Military Class III Components - Supports AMD CrossfireX & NVIDIA SLI Technology (X79A-GD45)

With

[Your Imput]

And same with the CPU if you have any suggestions.

Cheers.
July 28, 2012 1:38:52 PM

Yiew said:

MSI X79A-GD45 Motherboard - LGA2011 Socket - PCI Express Gen 3 - Military Class III Components - Supports AMD CrossfireX & NVIDIA SLI Technology (X79A-GD45)


You notice the "X79" in the motherboard name? That chipset is the only current 2011 socket chipset, so wherever you see it it means a 2011 off the bat. Also the product description you posted says 2011 socket right there.

For the CPU I still recommend the i5-3570k. No reason to go higher on a gaming rig.

These are two other good options.

Gigabye GA-Z77-D3H. $135
http://www.mwave.com.au/sku-28023692-Gigabyte_GA-Z77-D3...

Gigabyte Z77X-D3H. $159
http://www.mwave.com.au/sku-28023693-Gigabyte_GA-Z77X-D...

Though if you can get the AsRock Z77 Extreme4, go for that one.

Check the other sites I linked to, they will have it in stock as its a popular board and I bet prices will be cheaper.

July 29, 2012 8:42:37 AM

I'm not quite sure how I missed it in the name description, but glad to know the other method of description =P

I've touched up the list a little bit, and discovered that I can take a few components from my current PC (HDD - 2TB, Blu-Ray writer / reader) but have formulated a 'hopefully' final list of components.

Note: I have changed to itestate.com.au since they're only a 20 minute drive away from me and can get me out of strife if needed.

Motherboard Intel S1155 Z77 ASRock [Z77 EXTREME4-M]

33764 CPU/Processor Intel S1155 i5-3570K Quad Core(3.4GHz/6M/22nm/77w/Integrated Graphics 4000)

35456 Blu-Ray Writer-Internal LG [BH14NS40] (14X/OEM)

28220 CPU Cooler Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO [RR-212E-20PK-R2] (LGA 2011/1366/1155 and AMD FM1/AM3+)

28822 HDD Internal 3.5" 2TB SATA3 7200rpm Seagate [ST2000DM001]

09027 Power Supply 750W Corsair [CMPSU-750AX]

30058 Desktop DDR3 Ram 16GB Quad-Kit (4x4GB) PC3-19200 2400Mhz G.Skill [F3-19200CL11Q-16GBZHD]

32757 Video Card (nV) PCI-e GTX 680 OC 2GB Gigabyte [GV-N680OC-2GD] (1071/6008MHz)

22587 SSD (Solid State Drive) 2.5" 240GB Sata3 Corsair [CSSD-F240GB3-BK] Force Series (R: 550MBs/W: 520MB/s)

I've just gone with an all out card and will probably stick with my old PC case if everything fits. Its dual fan casing and runs quietly enough, but we shall see. Gotta penny-pinch any way possible =P

If everything is compatibly, then green lights are go, but if anyone has any further suggestions feel free to throw them in.
July 29, 2012 9:26:07 AM

Quote:
09027 Power Supply 750W Corsair [CMPSU-750AX]

That PSU is too good. Something like the TX750W will be just fine as long as your case has some room to hide unused cables in.

Quote:
30058 Desktop DDR3 Ram 16GB Quad-Kit (4x4GB) PC3-19200 2400Mhz G.Skill [F3-19200CL11Q-16GBZHD]

8GB of RAM should be more than enough if you don't do any ultra-heavy photoshopping. Go for something like this.

Quote:
32757 Video Card (nV) PCI-e GTX 680 OC 2GB Gigabyte [GV-N680OC-2GD] (1071/6008MHz)

The 680 is simply not worth it when you can get a 670 for much less and only lose about 5% of the performance - 5% that you can get back by overclocking the card. Go for this Gigabyte GTX 670.

For the SSD, I would go for a Samsung 830 128GB.

I would think about swapping out the motherboard with a ATX motherboard, but I'm sure that Extreme4-M will be just fine as well.
July 29, 2012 12:05:13 PM

nafoni said:
Quote:
09027 Power Supply 750W Corsair [CMPSU-750AX]

That PSU is too good. Something like the TX750W will be just fine as long as your case has some room to hide unused cables in.

Quote:
30058 Desktop DDR3 Ram 16GB Quad-Kit (4x4GB) PC3-19200 2400Mhz G.Skill [F3-19200CL11Q-16GBZHD]

8GB of RAM should be more than enough if you don't do any ultra-heavy photoshopping. Go for something like this.

Quote:
32757 Video Card (nV) PCI-e GTX 680 OC 2GB Gigabyte [GV-N680OC-2GD] (1071/6008MHz)

The 680 is simply not worth it when you can get a 670 for much less and only lose about 5% of the performance - 5% that you can get back by overclocking the card. Go for this Gigabyte GTX 670.

For the SSD, I would go for a Samsung 830 128GB.

I would think about swapping out the motherboard with a ATX motherboard, but I'm sure that Extreme4-M will be just fine as well.


I actually do use PS quite a bit along with other graph / statistical modifiers for my studies. Environmental management is all about linking X with X and Y with Y with pretty graphs so I do need a bit more than 8. Currently have 8GB in this PC and it does take a while to render 30 overlayed images, not to mention when you're screen capping Google Earth every minute / degree it can get pretty slow. Stick with a Law Degree =P

I've taken the motherboard as advice from the poster above who has put up with my noobish-ness. If I get some other considerations by tomorrow I may think about it, since I'm actually going to go into the store physically. Might ask for comparisons.

Appreciate the otherly advice and will definitely check it out tomorrow.

Just making sure that my list is all good and everything will function as one unit (in theory anyway) and will hopefully not be out of date within the next 5 years.

July 29, 2012 12:09:45 PM

The motherboard I specified was the Extreme4, while the one you linked is the Extreme4-M. Its a smaller version of Extreme4.

Unfortunately the website doesn't offer the standard one, may just have to choose another or get it somewhere else. This one should also be good, but is a bit more.
Asus P8Z77-V LX. $146
http://itestate.com.au/pages/product/pdt_product_detail...
July 29, 2012 12:46:24 PM

Go for the 16GB RAM and the motherboard manofchalk suggested.

Let's try to list everything we have so far:



As I have understood, you will be re-using this optical drive and this HDD. I got that right?

Also, which case are you re-using? If you want to, you could always buy a new one considering your total cost is currently only at 1297$
July 30, 2012 11:19:08 AM

Ok Guys, after adding the Asus P8Z77-V LX. $146

I think I have my *over* and *under list completed.
That is, the list where I am geting everything new which equates to $2100 and the list where I don't need everything new which equates to roughly $1500.

I will be taking everything into the store tomorrow to get it all finalised.

Just wanted to say that I appreciate all the help and will be going there tomorrow with everything in tail. If you guys are curious I'll post exactly what I will be using to build my new PC.

For now though, the entire list looks like this:

Motherboard Intel S1155 Z77 Asus [P8Z77-V LX]

33764 CPU/Processor Intel S1155 i5-3570K Quad Core (3.4GHz/6M/22nm/77w/Integrated Graphics 4000)

35456 Blu-Ray Writer-Internal LG [BH14NS40] (14X/OEM)

28220 CPU Cooler Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO [RR-212E-20PK-R2] (LGA 2011/1366/1155 and AMD FM1/AM3+)

28822 HDD Internal 3.5" 2TB SATA3 7200rpm Seagate [ST2000DM001]

09027 Power Supply 750W Corsair [CMPSU-750AX]

30058 Desktop DDR3 Ram 16GB Quad-Kit (4x4GB) PC3-19200 2400Mhz G.Skill [F3-19200CL11Q-16GBZHD]

32757 Video Card (nV) PCI-e GTX 680 OC 2GB Gigabyte [GV-N680OC-2GD] (1071/6008MHz)

30794 SSD (Solid State Drive) 2.5" 240GB Sata3 Intel 520 Series (550/520MB/s/with 3.5" converter) OEM

Some things may be more than what I relly *need* but some of it is future prospects also.

Chers guys!
!