Which leatherworking specialization for hunter?

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Hello group,

after this weekend my Orc Hunter approaches the slvl 225 in leatherworking.
Now soon I will have to decide which specialization I should take.

As you might know, there's Elemental, Tribal and Dragonscale
leatherworking.

Now just about any guide suggests going Dragonscale for Hunter because that
counts as mail armor and Hunters learn to wear mail at lvl 40. However,
_none_ of the Dragonscale recipies has +agi and most have some resists and
bonus to melee stats. On the other hand, Elemental LW has lots of
interesting +agi items, sometimes even combined with +% crit chance.

So here I am, asking why should I take Dragonscale when my main style is
ranged combat and I generally go for +agi stuff and drool for +%crit. Is
the higher armor rating of the mail stuff worth forgoing all the nice boni
?

(I do know that drops are generally better than crafts but when you can't
get the most-wanted stuff it's cool to be able to craft a nice albeit
lesser replacement)

CU

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i would take dragonscale.. but getting dragonscales can be very hard...

One other thing: u need to be LVL 40 to specialize ur LW... (u can get
the skill improvement to 300 but not the spec before lvl 40)
 

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maxnews01@web.de wrote:
> i would take dragonscale.. but getting dragonscales can be very hard...

Thanks for the answer, but I'm a bit more interested in the reason why.
Dragonscale may have higher def but definitely the worse stats than say,
Elemental.

I know that both specialization's items can and most likely will be
replaced by drops at some time but until that time I'd like to be able to
make use of that craft.

Can I sell that stuff better or do you value the higher def more valuable?
When I solo, generally my pet takes the beating while I'm standing behind
the action, whirling pointy sticks at the mobs :) So I'm generally not the
one who gets the hits. Which is part of the reason why I don't really see
the advantage of dragonscale (yet?). This all may change further, my Hunter
is but 34 now.

CU

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Rene wrote:
> Hello group,
>
> after this weekend my Orc Hunter approaches the slvl 225 in leatherworking.
> Now soon I will have to decide which specialization I should take.
>
> As you might know, there's Elemental, Tribal and Dragonscale
> leatherworking.
>
> Now just about any guide suggests going Dragonscale for Hunter because that
> counts as mail armor and Hunters learn to wear mail at lvl 40. However,
> _none_ of the Dragonscale recipies has +agi and most have some resists and
> bonus to melee stats. On the other hand, Elemental LW has lots of
> interesting +agi items, sometimes even combined with +% crit chance.
>
> So here I am, asking why should I take Dragonscale when my main style is
> ranged combat and I generally go for +agi stuff and drool for +%crit. Is
> the higher armor rating of the mail stuff worth forgoing all the nice boni
> ?
>
> (I do know that drops are generally better than crafts but when you can't
> get the most-wanted stuff it's cool to be able to craft a nice albeit
> lesser replacement)
>
> CU
>
> René
>
The first set of gloves you get as a pattern for completing the
preliminary quests are probably going to be be better than anything
you've had drop so far. The black dragonscale "set" (not a true set)
gives a bunch of decent bonuses that can work in specific situations
where you need lots of fire resistance eg MC. With agility enchantments
they can be pretty good.
Otherwise it seems most dragonscale items are skewed more towards
various shaman builds. Not entirely sure which colour I would choose, as
my highest shaman is only level 12 :) Even then I'm not sure they are
exactly brilliant itmes to be wearing.
The Devilsaur items are also pretty good for the level at which you can
wear them.
Either way some leather won't hurt you too much, but ultimately you do
owe it to those doing the healing to minimise the damage you take by
wearing appropriate level items. A hunter should be near the bottom of
the list of those requiring healing in raids. There are times when
something is going to start whacking you while you are focused on
killing something at range. Being able to soak up at least some of that
damage is going to help everyone else do their jobs.
Once you've made those speciality leather items, unless you can find a
way to make money out of selling them, it's probably time to consider
changing to something that will serve you better.
Certainly high level skinning can generate cash, I'm sure you've looked
at how much scales can go for in the AH, but grinding them is a slow
business (Chimera, frostsaber or warbear are faster on non-PVP servers).
Being able to skin bosses in BRS and the hounds in MC is a useful and
satisying skill to keep, if somewhat limited in application.
At higher levels you may find that alchemy - to make agility potions as
well as a few other useful things, or engineering - a successful FD with
jumper cables in your pack will be very much appreciated if your
party/raid wipes. Enchanting may also be worth considering if you want
to keep that skinning you've worked so hard to level up.
Either of these can be levelled fairly quickly if you have the cash or
want to run around lowbie areas where you can ignore the mobs for the
most part while you collect materials.

Cameron
PS don't forget that once you get to 55+ you can start you next series
of grinding to get the real sets; Beaststalker, Giantstalker (ugly chest
graphic for 1.6) and Dragonstalker (currently not able to be completed)
 

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Cameron <cameronmcc@netspace.net.au> wrote:
> Rene wrote:
> > Hello group,
> >
> > after this weekend my Orc Hunter approaches the slvl 225 in
> > leatherworking. Now soon I will have to decide which specialization I
> > should take.
> >
> > As you might know, there's Elemental, Tribal and Dragonscale
> > leatherworking.
> >
> > Now just about any guide suggests going Dragonscale for Hunter because
> > that counts as mail armor and Hunters learn to wear mail at lvl 40.
> > However, _none_ of the Dragonscale recipies has +agi and most have some
> > resists and bonus to melee stats. On the other hand, Elemental LW has
> > lots of interesting +agi items, sometimes even combined with +% crit
> > chance.
> >
> > So here I am, asking why should I take Dragonscale when my main style
> > is ranged combat and I generally go for +agi stuff and drool for
> > +%crit. Is the higher armor rating of the mail stuff worth forgoing all
> > the nice boni ?
> >
> > (I do know that drops are generally better than crafts but when you
> > can't get the most-wanted stuff it's cool to be able to craft a nice
> > albeit lesser replacement)
> >
> > CU
> >
> > René
> >
> The first set of gloves you get as a pattern for completing the
> preliminary quests are probably going to be be better than anything
> you've had drop so far. The black dragonscale "set" (not a true set)
> gives a bunch of decent bonuses that can work in specific situations
> where you need lots of fire resistance eg MC. With agility enchantments
> they can be pretty good.
> Otherwise it seems most dragonscale items are skewed more towards
> various shaman builds. Not entirely sure which colour I would choose, as
> my highest shaman is only level 12 :) Even then I'm not sure they are
> exactly brilliant itmes to be wearing.

Yeah the dragonscale stuff seems more apt for a shaman (or someone who
wants resists). The elemental is much more appealing to me at this point,
since as I wrote, I value +agi and +%crit.

> The Devilsaur items are also pretty good for the level at which you can
> wear them.

My main char liked Un'goro, though the devilsaur are a bit.. hm, dangerous
:)

> Either way some leather won't hurt you too much, but ultimately you do
> owe it to those doing the healing to minimise the damage you take by
> wearing appropriate level items. A hunter should be near the bottom of
> the list of those requiring healing in raids. There are times when
> something is going to start whacking you while you are focused on
> killing something at range. Being able to soak up at least some of that
> damage is going to help everyone else do their jobs.

My main char is a lvl 60 priest, so you're preaching to the wrong one ;)
Though the only trouble I ever had with a Hunter in the group was that I
didn't see their pet's health which is now finally resolved with the latest
patch. I always told Hunters that I don't see their pets and they generally
macroed a "Heal my pet please" so I wouldn't overlook them in more hasty
situations where I didn't had the time to randomly check their pet.

> Once you've made those speciality leather items, unless you can find a
> way to make money out of selling them, it's probably time to consider
> changing to something that will serve you better.

Many crafts seem to lose appeal towards the end game. The only eternal
useful ones appear to be alchemy, engineering and enchanting, though
engineering only so since most items are only usable by engineers.
Otherwise you'd just buy them once or at need. All crafts have some nice
items at the end but with enough money you can get many of 'em.

> Certainly high level skinning can generate cash, I'm sure you've looked
> at how much scales can go for in the AH, but grinding them is a slow
> business (Chimera, frostsaber or warbear are faster on non-PVP servers).
> Being able to skin bosses in BRS and the hounds in MC is a useful and
> satisying skill to keep, if somewhat limited in application.
> At higher levels you may find that alchemy - to make agility potions as
> well as a few other useful things, or engineering - a successful FD with
> jumper cables in your pack will be very much appreciated if your
> party/raid wipes. Enchanting may also be worth considering if you want
> to keep that skinning you've worked so hard to level up.
> Either of these can be levelled fairly quickly if you have the cash or
> want to run around lowbie areas where you can ignore the mobs for the
> most part while you collect materials.

I certainly keep that in mind but at the moment I'm happily leveling my
skinning and leatherworking. I can do that as I level along and it doesn't
eat too much resources (time and money) away yet.

> PS don't forget that once you get to 55+ you can start you next series
> of grinding to get the real sets; Beaststalker, Giantstalker (ugly chest
> graphic for 1.6) and Dragonstalker (currently not able to be completed)

Yeah, but farming for those is quite tedious. And it's still quite some
levels away to consider those :)

Thanks for the ansers

CU

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maxnews01@web.de <maxnews01@web.de> stared blankly into space for a
short while before writing:
> i would take dragonscale.. but getting dragonscales can be very
> hard...
>
> One other thing: u need to be LVL 40 to specialize ur LW... (u can
> get the skill improvement to 300 but not the spec before lvl 40)

I thought it was lvl 35 to get Artisan and 42 for specialising?

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Doc wrote:
> maxnews01@web.de <maxnews01@web.de> stared blankly into space for a
> short while before writing:
>
>>i would take dragonscale.. but getting dragonscales can be very
>>hard...
>>
>>One other thing: u need to be LVL 40 to specialize ur LW... (u can
>>get the skill improvement to 300 but not the spec before lvl 40)
>
>
> I thought it was lvl 35 to get Artisan and 42 for specialising?
>
LW Specialization is 225 skill and lvl 40.
 

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Stavros Christoforou <S.Christoforou_removeme_@iri.tudelft.nl> stared
blankly into space for a short while before writing:
> Doc wrote:
>> maxnews01@web.de <maxnews01@web.de> stared blankly into space for a
>> short while before writing:
>>
>>> i would take dragonscale.. but getting dragonscales can be very
>>> hard...
>>>
>>> One other thing: u need to be LVL 40 to specialize ur LW... (u can
>>> get the skill improvement to 300 but not the spec before lvl 40)
>>
>>
>> I thought it was lvl 35 to get Artisan and 42 for specialising?
>>
> LW Specialization is 225 skill and lvl 40.

Oh. I guess http://www.wowwiki.com/Leatherworking is wrong then. Someone
should tell them :)

-QUOTE-

High Level Leatherworking
When you reach 225 skill and level 42, you unlock a set of three quests.
These quests allow you to specialize in various types of armor...


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> Stavros Christoforou <S.Christoforou_removeme_@iri.tudelft.nl> stared
> blankly into space for a short while before writing:
>> Doc wrote:
>>> maxnews01@web.de <maxnews01@web.de> stared blankly into space for a
>>> short while before writing:
>>>
>>>> i would take dragonscale.. but getting dragonscales can be very
>>>> hard...
>>>>
>>>> One other thing: u need to be LVL 40 to specialize ur LW... (u can
>>>> get the skill improvement to 300 but not the spec before lvl 40)
>>>
>>>
>>> I thought it was lvl 35 to get Artisan and 42 for specialising?
>>>
>> LW Specialization is 225 skill and lvl 40.
>
> Oh. I guess http://www.wowwiki.com/Leatherworking is wrong then. Someone
> should tell them :)
>
> -QUOTE-
>
> High Level Leatherworking
> When you reach 225 skill and level 42, you unlock a set of three quests. These
> quests allow you to specialize in various types of armor...

I just did all those quests, and the Tribal Leatherworking one, at 41.
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On Tue, 05 Jul 2005 16:33:25 GMT, "Marshall" <Marshall@nospam.com>
wrote:
>"Doc" <the.doc.is.in@REMOVETHlSgmail.com> wrote in message
>news:42caa2c0$1@duster.adelaide.on.net...

>> Oh. I guess http://www.wowwiki.com/Leatherworking is wrong then. Someone
>> should tell them :)
>>
>> -QUOTE-
>>
>> High Level Leatherworking
>> When you reach 225 skill and level 42, you unlock a set of three quests. These
>> quests allow you to specialize in various types of armor...
>
>I just did all those quests, and the Tribal Leatherworking one, at 41.

According to "Draznar's Ultimate Profession FAQ & Links to other FAQs"
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-professions&t=40&p=1&tmp=1
the general requirements are:

7.1 What are the different levels/ranks in the professions?
Note: Gathering, Cooking & First Aid Professions do not have level
requirements.
Rank (Min - Max Skills), Min Level, Cost.
Apprentise (1-75) Lvl 5, 5 copper
Journeyman (50-150) Lvl 10, 5 silver
Expert (125-225) Lvl 20, 50 silver
Artisan (200-300) Lvl 35, 5 gold
Note: Secondary Professions do not train for Expert & Artisan. See
below.

And "Emli's Leatherworking FAQ v.2"
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-professions&t=43110
says this about LW specialization:

4.2 How do I go about specializing?
Requires 225 Leatherworking skill, level 40, and Artisan
Leatherworking.
Find the correct trainer and complete their quest.

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Marshall <Marshall@nospam.com> stared blankly into space for a short
while before writing:
> "Doc" <the.doc.is.in@REMOVETHlSgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:42caa2c0$1@duster.adelaide.on.net...
>> Stavros Christoforou <S.Christoforou_removeme_@iri.tudelft.nl>
>> stared blankly into space for a short while before writing:
>>> Doc wrote:
>>>> maxnews01@web.de <maxnews01@web.de> stared blankly into space
>>>> for a short while before writing:
>>>>
>>>>> i would take dragonscale.. but getting dragonscales can be very
>>>>> hard...
>>>>>
>>>>> One other thing: u need to be LVL 40 to specialize ur LW... (u
>>>>> can get the skill improvement to 300 but not the spec before lvl
>>>>> 40)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I thought it was lvl 35 to get Artisan and 42 for specialising?
>>>>
>>> LW Specialization is 225 skill and lvl 40.
>>
>> Oh. I guess http://www.wowwiki.com/Leatherworking is wrong then.
>> Someone should tell them :)
>>
>> -QUOTE-
>>
>> High Level Leatherworking
>> When you reach 225 skill and level 42, you unlock a set of three
>> quests. These quests allow you to specialize in various types of
>> armor...
>
> I just did all those quests, and the Tribal Leatherworking one, at
> 41. -Marshall

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that I disbelieved Stavros, which in
retrospect, the smiley probably indicates.

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Doc wrote:
> Marshall <Marshall@nospam.com> stared blankly into space for a short
> while before writing:
>
>>"Doc" <the.doc.is.in@REMOVETHlSgmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:42caa2c0$1@duster.adelaide.on.net...
>>
>>>Stavros Christoforou <S.Christoforou_removeme_@iri.tudelft.nl>
>>>stared blankly into space for a short while before writing:
>>>
>>>>Doc wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>maxnews01@web.de <maxnews01@web.de> stared blankly into space
>>>>>for a short while before writing:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>i would take dragonscale.. but getting dragonscales can be very
>>>>>>hard...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>One other thing: u need to be LVL 40 to specialize ur LW... (u
>>>>>>can get the skill improvement to 300 but not the spec before lvl
>>>>>>40)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I thought it was lvl 35 to get Artisan and 42 for specialising?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>LW Specialization is 225 skill and lvl 40.
>>>
>>>Oh. I guess http://www.wowwiki.com/Leatherworking is wrong then.
>>>Someone should tell them :)
>>>
>>>-QUOTE-
>>>
>>>High Level Leatherworking
>>>When you reach 225 skill and level 42, you unlock a set of three
>>>quests. These quests allow you to specialize in various types of
>>>armor...
>>
>>I just did all those quests, and the Tribal Leatherworking one, at
>>41. -Marshall
>
>
> Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that I disbelieved Stavros, which in
> retrospect, the smiley probably indicates.
>
Heh, no worries :) I was just certain that it was at 225 and 40, as I
was so excited about my Druid LW specializing that I did the quests
*exactly* at lvl 40 and 225 skill. I have now corrected the WoWWiki
page, so all should be good :)

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Simon Nejmann wrote:
> 4.2 How do I go about specializing?
> Requires 225 Leatherworking skill, level 40, and Artisan
> Leatherworking.
> Find the correct trainer and complete their quest.

I'm very suspicious about that "requires Artisan Leatherworking" bit,
given how many people I've seen saying "hey, I did the elemental LW
quest but I still can't raise my skill about 225, wtf!?"

Cheers!
David...