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July 29, 2012 11:03:10 AM

:hello: 
This thread is mostly because I want a little bit of feedback of a new system I plan to buy in a few months time when I get the money. (I know the prices for these prebuilt computers will fluctuate and so will their parts so I will change according to that.)
I am planning on buying a prebuilt gaming computer from DinoPc.com, a site which I found recently with some pretty cheap prices for systems. I even checked the prices through Amazon and found out that they were actually pretty much close together so instead of making it myself I decided to customise it online and then buy that.
Anyway, here are the current specs:

CPU: Intel Core i5 3450
Motherboard: Asus P8B75-M LE
RAM: 4GB DDR3 1333mhz (1x 4GB)
Hard Drive: 1TB S-ATAIII 6.0Gb/s
Optical Drive: 22x DVD±RW DL S-ATA
Graphics Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 550 Ti 1GB
Zalman Z11 Plus
600W Xigmatek
[I'll also be stealing 4 GB RAM from my current computer (2x 4GB RAM 1333) when I give my sister this computer (An i7 2600, 4GB 1TB)]

This will cost just shy over £600 (My budget) and I was wondering if it looked good to you guys. I have done a little bit of research into the GPU and the CPU but was wondering more about the longevity of the CPU since I am going to be upgrading the GPU to a 560 TI/6870/ eventually, whether it'd be more beneficial for me to go for a costlier i5 CPU such as the 3550 or the 3570K and what the benefits of getting the unlock able cpu are over the locked ones are. This is my first time building a PC to accommodate my gaming needs.

The games I want to be able to play are stuff like Skyrim, Saints Row III, Star Wars The Old Republic but to name a few and know that I'll be able to play on fairly good settings with the 550 TI.

Also would like to gain some knowledge about how the graphics cards prices may go down/up due to other graphics cards coming out.

I apologise if I posted this in the wrong forum, I thought that this was the most relevant forum to post this in. :sweat: 

Thank you all in advance.

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July 29, 2012 11:33:45 AM

i would rather have the i72600 personally just add a decent video card to it and leave it at that and i wouldnt mix the ram as you mentioned it will only run single channel run 2 sticks or 4 not in between, 550 will prob do those games ok but its a pretty weak card especially online gaming and for future proofing which will need more go than single player time demoes. the b75 chipset is designed for no frills business setups build it your self much more satisfying and you can do all your cable management nicely etc etc
July 29, 2012 1:09:08 PM

what? your trading in your i7 for that load of bad listed parts?

1| mix matching ram timings and makers will have negative effect on your board, overclock and applications. Since the two dimms will have differing manufacturing methods, bin processing and assembly temps.
2| GTX 550Ti for games at this day and age is actually quite bad, might want to look at the GTX 670's.
3| zalman's cases are not in the good books. Fractal are awesome cases.
4| what are the spec's of your older rig?
5| what will your sis be using the rig for?
6| this seems to be like two threads compiled into one.
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July 29, 2012 1:34:19 PM

Lutfij said:
what? your trading in your i7 for that load of bad listed parts?

1| mix matching ram timings and makers will have negative effect on your board, overclock and applications. Since the two dimms will have differing manufacturing methods, bin processing and assembly temps.
2| GTX 550Ti for games at this day and age is actually quite bad, might want to look at the GTX 670's.
3| zalman's cases are not in the good books. Fractal are awesome cases.
4| what are the spec's of your older rig?
5| what will your sis be using the rig for?
6| this seems to be like two threads compiled into one.


Honestly all I know is i7 2600, 350 watt psu (like... a stock one) and 8gb 1333 ram. Then like a hp pavilion case, some motherboard I've never heard of and don't know the exact specs of either.
July 29, 2012 1:42:29 PM

can you atleast tell us the name of the HP (make/model) and also take a pic of your case innards.

can you go upto a 1000quid?
July 29, 2012 2:25:45 PM

Lutfij said:
can you atleast tell us the name of the HP (make/model) and also take a pic of your case innards.

can you go upto a 1000quid?


If I could go up to 1k I think I'd know to buy an i7 and a GTX 670.

I am going to replace the gt 550 ti after I get a little bit more money a few months afterwards, which is why I'm going for a 600W psu.
July 29, 2012 2:44:09 PM

dya have the link to that xigmatek psu? chances are they are dodgy pieces of paper weight

You'd be getting the i5-3570K and a GTX680 for that kind of money. a lot lesser if you went with a non k proc and a GTX660. If your going to upgrade the GPU later on, then why don't you just give it off your sis as is when you've amassed the funds?

btw, you yet haven't mentioned your sis' pc needs...
July 29, 2012 2:52:55 PM

Lutfij said:
dya have the link to that xigmatek psu? chances are they are dodgy pieces of paper weight

You'd be getting the i5-3570K and a GTX680 for that kind of money. a lot lesser if you went with a non k proc and a GTX660. If your going to upgrade the GPU later on, then why don't you just give it off your sis as is when you've amassed the funds?

btw, you yet haven't mentioned your sis' pc needs...


http://www.xigmatek.com/product.php?productid=38&type=s...

She'll need it for photo editting, video editting and like graphics and stuff.

Because she'll need it when we both start our schools and I won't have the money for a few months : \ I could buy the gpu seperately, I think I could find a gtx 660 for around 100 ish pounds or so.
July 29, 2012 3:35:52 PM

ebay is your best place for some cheap cards, however - the ones with warranty make you feel happier you spent a lil extra.

seems to me like your sis will be using Adobe's Creative Suite 5.5 or 6 she can run off the onboard on that i7-2600K if she isn't going to be doing hardcore renders.

man that 2600k looks sweet!

so save the dough, don't get a card now - invest that saved cash on your rig later down the road.
* oh screw it!
you'll both be needing it huh?

how much dya have to spend on your rig? and can you link the model for your hp rig? or maybe dig about its model number?
July 29, 2012 4:29:34 PM

Lutfij said:
ebay is your best place for some cheap cards, however - the ones with warranty make you feel happier you spent a lil extra.

seems to me like your sis will be using Adobe's Creative Suite 5.5 or 6 she can run off the onboard on that i7-2600K if she isn't going to be doing hardcore renders.

man that 2600k looks sweet!

so save the dough, don't get a card now - invest that saved cash on your rig later down the road.
* oh screw it!
you'll both be needed it huh?

how much dya have to spend on your rig? and can you link the model for your hp rig? or maybe dig about its model number?



i7 2600. Not k. I could just buy a 6870 since they go for like 100-120 real cheap atm. I think that's on par with the 560 ti or near it's neck of the woods.

£600 is pretty much my limit.
July 29, 2012 4:44:23 PM

preferred site of purchase? and the model for the HP??? mind taking a pic of it as well. case exterior and interior.
July 29, 2012 4:56:43 PM

Lutfij said:
preferred site of purchase? and the model for the HP??? mind taking a pic of it as well. case exterior and interior.


http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c02...

That's the motherboard I believe for my current computer which was store bought.

I am making this new rig from a site called DinoPC.com

The main point is will my new rig test against currents games so far. I might exchange the 550 ti for a 560 which I could get for 20 quid more and still hit my budget of around 600~

Also, what of the AMD processors?
July 29, 2012 5:19:54 PM

1|amd=crap now and then.
2|build it yourself - saves you the cash and makes you smarter
3|your not making things easy for me matey. Whats the full system specs of the HP rig you currently have?
4|if for 600 quid your getting that config posted initially...then don't bother cos that B75 is for servers and office rigs not fun and games(as stated by jasont78)

are you reading up on any reviews or charts to understand what you're picking up for your new rig? or what you're planning to do by making a Frankenstein'ish rig?

links to read(please read up on them)
Gaming CPU Hierarchy Chart -@ Best Gaming CPUs For The Money: July 2012
Graphics Card Hierarchy Chart - @ Best Graphics Cards For The Money: July 2012

about chipsets:
http://www.techspot.com/guides/502-intel-ivy-bridge/pag...


IntelEnthusiast said:
The B75 chipset designed for business orientated chipset. So there will be no overclocking feature but there maybe some remote access features like the Q67 and its soon to be follow on chipset.

The Z77 chipset is our performance orientated chipset and does allow overclocking.

Christian Wood
Intel Enthusiast Team

more here

non K cpu's won't OC well - you'll have turbo boost but that limits your options.

* so in essence your going with new parts to bottleneck yourself from any upgrades in the future, which could be 6 months from now.

** the link you provided of the mobo,


H67 chipset.
seems just about right for your sis for her school/work purposes. As I work on Ps/Ai/ CAD/ Max/ Maya/Sketchup as well. Your sis is fine by the onboard GPU found on the i7-2600.

Leave the HP as is and maybe you can treat your sis to some parts down the road provided you change out the existing PSU (btw whats the wattage on that HP PSU?)
July 29, 2012 10:29:42 PM

GamerT3 said:
http://www.xigmatek.com/product.php?productid=38&type=s...

She'll need it for photo editting, video editting and like graphics and stuff.

Because she'll need it when we both start our schools and I won't have the money for a few months : \ I could buy the gpu seperately, I think I could find a gtx 660 for around 100 ish pounds or so.

gtx 660 for 100 pounds, dont thinks so they arent even released yet
July 29, 2012 10:37:17 PM

^ yeah I missed that totally! good catch there jasont78! [:lutfij:3]

* you know that H67 board is far more capable o doing a lot more, like being used as an HTPC with very light gaming at low res.
July 30, 2012 1:08:51 PM

jasont78 said:
gtx 660 for 100 pounds, dont thinks so they arent even released yet


I meant the 560 hah.
July 30, 2012 1:19:47 PM

still isn't a good buy.
July 30, 2012 3:21:26 PM

where are you purchasing it from? how much does it all come upto?
July 30, 2012 3:23:02 PM

Lutfij said:
where are you purchasing it from? how much does it all come upto?


Dino PC - £725~ (Including a cooler, 1 TB HDD instead of 500 GB and 2x4 GB instead of 1X4 (both 1333)
July 30, 2012 4:34:31 PM

whats with you and dinopc?
whats the point of getting 1333MHz and a k series processor if you're not going to be able to overclock it?

you went up to 725? honestly how far can you punch out of your wallet?
really, all the deals here aren't that good.
July 30, 2012 4:44:30 PM

Lutfij said:
whats with you and dinopc?
whats the point of getting 1333MHz and a k series processor if you're not going to be able to overclock it?

you went up to 725? honestly how far can you punch out of your wallet?
really, all the deals here aren't that good.


Now we're just going to run around circles. First you're all about OCing and now you're telling me what's the point.
July 30, 2012 4:48:34 PM

listen kid! you want to get a rig and I'm helping you get things lined up nicely. If you want to go ahead and frag all that cash, be my guest and pick something thas advertised on any site that'll build it for you.

If you want to avoid another "prebuilt sucker punch" then maybe be a lil helpful with the info's.

1333MHz is slight increase in speed from 1066MHz at which the proc will run, not even an overclock. are you reading links/google before asking?
July 30, 2012 5:07:09 PM

Lutfij said:
listen kid! you want to get a rig and I'm helping you get things lined up nicely. If you want to go ahead and frag all that cash, be my guest and pick something thas advertised on any site that'll build it for you.

If you want to avoid another "prebuilt sucker punch" then maybe be a lil helpful with the info's.

1333MHz is slight increase in speed from 1066MHz at which the proc will run, not even an overclock. are you reading links/google before asking?



I don't understand what you mean by be a little helpful with the info's.

And what do you mean by 'the proc' and what would you suggest.

Also, ran by the same config onto Amazon, both the first one that I originally put and the second and it literally costs the same.

The only think I don't know is mostly about OCing the CPU and the GPU although I know they make it 'better' but don't really know what/why to use it.
July 30, 2012 5:09:58 PM

Quote:
The only think I don't know is mostly about OCing the CPU and the GPU although I know they make it 'better' but don't really know what/why to use it.
google tells you everything you need to know except for the apocalypse.

what about: what to look for in a mobo/ram/cpu mix matching to get the best out of each component so as to avoid bottlenecks. The timings in a ram , is 1066 better or 1333 or 2000? PCI-E bandwith. Boards designed for HTPC use and/or mold/heavy duty gaming? - well , your posts tells me of your knowledge.

Quote:
And what do you mean by 'the proc' and what would you suggest.
its short for processor. give me a budget and I'll shoot you some list. mind you I'll need the absolute max that you can drop on your rig and btw I'll be suggesting parts that'll last you a good 3 years of gaming for all titles - no holds barred!
July 30, 2012 5:13:07 PM

Lutfij said:
what of what to look for in a mobo/ram/cpu mix matching to get the best out of each component so as to avoid bottlenecks.

Quote:
And what do you mean by 'the proc' and what would you suggest.
its short for processor. give me a budget and I'll shoot you some list. mind you I'll need the absolute max that you can drop on your rig and btw I'll be suggesting parts that'll last you a good 3 years of gaming for all titles - no holds barred!


*Scratches chin.* Very well. 730.

Ah! Proc = Processor. Sorry I thought you meant proccing something like to do this to proc this affect.

Also: By lasting 3 years do you mean I can upgrade parts for around up to 3 years or the pc actually lasting me 3 years?
July 30, 2012 5:14:36 PM

can you go 800? if you use it wisely, the rig should last you with the list of parts for about 4 years max. No later upgrades worthy, except for adding a sound card, HDD, ssd ODD lateron and maybe another GPU for a crossfire/sli solution. depending on what GPU/mobo I'll choose for you :) 
July 30, 2012 5:20:01 PM

Lutfij said:
can you go 800? if you use it wisely, the rig should last you with the list of parts for about 4 years max. No later upgrades worthy, except for adding a sound card, HDD, ssd ODD lateron and maybe another GPU for a crossfire/sli solution. depending on what GPU/mobo I'll choose for you :) 



Well during the three years I would be able to get better expansions and probably buy the same gear for much less and expansions aren't really something I will shy from.

I doubt I could up that high especially since it was a strain to get even to 700 from 600.
July 30, 2012 5:27:19 PM

[:lutfij:2]

when you'll want to upgrade -
here are some things that should remain constant:
Case+PSU+HDD+ODD+Keyboard+mouse
here's what will change over time:
Mobo+CPU+ram+GPU

if chosen carefully, the gpu should remain constant as you swap out cpu/mobo/ram combo.

honestly, that GTX560Ti hasn't dropped in prices at all. It just became an obsolete paper weight now that newer tech is round the corner.

lemme shoot some parts around and give you a lowdown.
July 30, 2012 5:29:36 PM

Lutfij said:
[:lutfij:2]

when you'll want to upgrade -
here are some things that should remain constant:
Case+PSU+HDD+ODD+Keyboard+mouse
here's what will change over time:
Mobo+CPU+ram+GPU

if chosen carefully, the gpu should remain constant as you swap out cpu/mobo/ram combo.

honestly, that GTX560Ti hasn't dropped in prices at all. It just became an obsolete paper weight now that newer tech is round the corner.

lemme shoot some parts around and give you a lowdown.


I know which parts need to be upgraded and those which are exempt from it.

*Although do I really need a card that'll last me 3 years? What kind of cards would you suggest, won't I be fine with the 7850 for a *fairly long time?
July 30, 2012 5:54:01 PM

Core i5 3570K - 172
ASRock Z77 Extreme 4 - 114
Corsair Memory Vengeance Jet Black Low Profile 8GB DDR3 1600 MHz - 40
1TB Western Digital WD10EALX Caviar Blue - 69
700W Corsair Gaming GS700 - 76
2GB XFX Radeon HD 7850 Core Edition - 174
Fractal Design Define R3 USB 3.0 Black Pearl - 73

with that stock cooler, 718 quid. and if you go 70quids higher - the 7870 black edition is a stones throw away.

Coolermaster Hyper 212 EVO - 27

there total is 745. :) 

Quote:
*Although do I really need a card that'll last me 3 years?
this depends on your gaming style, there are those who game with all eye candy on high. Your cpu won't bottleneck you in future games. GPU - well, you could get the 7850 now and another for upping the details of your games down the road.
July 30, 2012 6:07:33 PM

Lutfij said:
Core i5 3570K - 172
ASRock Z77 Extreme 4 - 114
Corsair Memory Vengeance Jet Black Low Profile 8GB DDR3 1600 MHz - 40
1TB Western Digital WD10EALX Caviar Blue - 69
700W Corsair Gaming GS700 - 76
2GB XFX Radeon HD 7850 Core Edition - 174
Fractal Design Define R3 USB 3.0 Black Pearl - 73

with that stock cooler, 718 quid. and if you go 70quids higher - the 7870 black edition is a stones throw away.

Coolermaster Hyper 212 EVO - 27

there total is 745. :) 

Quote:
*Although do I really need a card that'll last me 3 years?
this depends on your gaming style, there are those who game with all eye candy on high. Your cpu won't bottleneck you in future games. GPU - well, you could get the 7850 now and another for upping the details of your games down the road.


Ah! I seem to have forgotten to stuff which was all due to my incompetence. So let me apologise sincerely at that, I'm sorry about not mentioning a few other things. I was also including an optical drive; wireless pci card for connectivity and the windows 7 software (64 bit).

Although I do have to admit your choice in the case was pretty awesome, I didn't even know I could feel these things I'm feeling for a case.
July 30, 2012 6:23:17 PM

Quote:
I didn't even know I could feel these things I'm feeling for a case.
:lol: 

hmm ODD will be like 10. PCI-E wireless card will be another 30. OS...x64 home premium. Ultimate just raises the bar for your wallet.

Quote:
I seem to have forgotten to stuff which was all due to my incompetence.

really thats what you forgot to include? the dinopc crap you linked didn't even come with a wireless card.

i don't know how they'd include the OS unless they pirated one copy of Win7 or they are running an OEM version.
July 30, 2012 6:26:03 PM

Lutfij said:
Quote:
I didn't even know I could feel these things I'm feeling for a case.
:lol: 

hmm ODD will be like 10. PCI-E wireless card will be another 30. OS...x64 home premium. Ultimate just raises the bar for your wallet.

Quote:
I seem to have forgotten to stuff which was all due to my incompetence.

really thats what you forgot to include? the dinopc crap you linked didn't even come with a wireless card.

i don't know how they'd include the OS unless they pirated one copy of Win7 or they are running an OEM version.


It didn't but it's a seperate add on. I think they are running the OEM version.
July 30, 2012 6:33:51 PM

well you've answered your question.

for 26 pounds more, you can pick this Asus P8Z77-V board up and save you the trouble of getting a wifi card - was 145 on dinopc - complete rip off!
July 30, 2012 6:36:34 PM

Lutfij said:
well you've answered your question.

for 26 pounds more, you can pick Asus P8Z77-V up - was 145 on dinopc - complete rip off!


If I bought it from there alone, yes.

And well I do kinda need a wireless pci slot since my computer is on another floor than my router.
July 30, 2012 6:42:18 PM

that lil thingy in white is the add on wifi card. read up on it at Asus' parent site.

for 800quids sharp your getting a real thumper of a rig.
July 30, 2012 6:46:01 PM

Lutfij said:
that lil thingy in white is the add on wifi card. read up on it at Asus' parent site.

for 800quids sharp your getting a real thumper of a rig.


So it does have built in wi-fi? I was trying to find that out but it seems I missed the most obvious thing =-=

However, I am getting the i5 3570k and the 7850 card from there...
!