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Low framerate on BF3, even with lowest settings

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June 7, 2012 12:04:20 PM

Hi, i constantly have around 31 - 39 fps which dips below 30 to 25, and even 20 in graphic demanding levels, my PC is about 5 years old so i'm not sure if its just a matter of my hardware being outdated or perhaps something else? my specs are ------------------ (note, i edited the graphic card to say 4850 x2 because it only said 4800 series last time)

System Information
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Time of this report: 6/7/2012, 19:45:16
Machine name: TOM-PC
Operating System: Windows Vista™ Ultimate (6.0, Build 6002) Service Pack 2

(6002.vistasp2_gdr.120402-0336)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: OEM
System Model: OEM
BIOS: Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8600 @ 3.33GHz (2 CPUs),

~3.3GHz
Memory: 6142MB RAM
Page File: 2570MB used, 9929MB available
Windows Dir: C:\Windows
DirectX Version: DirectX 11
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
DxDiag Version: 7.00.6002.18107 64bit Unicode

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DxDiag Notes
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Display Tab 1: No problems found.
Display Tab 2: No problems found.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 2: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.

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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D: 0/4 (retail)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (retail)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (retail)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)

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Display Devices
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Card name: ATI Radeon HD 4850 x2 (Crossfire)
Manufacturer: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
Chip type: ATI display adapter (0x9440)
DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz)
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9440&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_00
Display Memory: 3830 MB
Dedicated Memory: 1015 MB
Shared Memory: 2815 MB
Current Mode: 1280 x 1024 (32 bit) (59Hz)
Monitor: BenQ G2400W (Digital)
Driver Name:

aticfx64.dll,aticfx64.dll,aticfx64.dll,aticfx32,aticfx32,aticfx32,atiumd64.dll,ati

dxx64.dll,atidxx64.dll,atiumdag,atidxx32,atidxx32,atiumdva,atiumd6a.cap,atitmm64.d

ll
Driver Version: 8.17.0010.1124 (English)
DDI Version: 10.1
BGRA Supported: Yes
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 4/6/2012 10:20:04, 1067520 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
WHQL Date Stamp:
Device Identifier: {D7B71EE2-D700-11CF-D467-0A20BEC2C535}
Vendor ID: 0x1002
Device ID: 0x9440
SubSys ID: 0x00000000
Revision ID: 0x0000
Revision ID: 0x0000
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_A ModeMPEG2_C
Deinterlace Caps: {6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=

(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB

VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=

(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB

VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=

(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB

VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY
{6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=

(UYVY,UYVY) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB

VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=

(UYVY,UYVY) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB

VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=

(UYVY,UYVY) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB

VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY
{5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=

(YV12,0x32315659) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
{3C5323C1-6FB7-44F5-9081-056BF2EE449D}: Format(In/Out)=

(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,2) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB

VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{552C0DAD-CCBC-420B-83C8-74943CF9F1A6}: Format(In/Out)=

(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,2) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB

VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=

(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB

VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=

(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB

VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=

(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB

VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY
{5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=

(IMC1,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
{5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=

(IMC2,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
{5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=

(IMC3,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
{5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=

(IMC4,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
{5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=

(S340,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
{5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=

(S342,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled

Card name: ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series
Manufacturer: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
Chip type: ATI display adapter (0x9440)
DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz)
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9440&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_00
Display Memory: 3830 MB
Dedicated Memory: 1015 MB
Shared Memory: 2815 MB
Current Mode: 1280 x 1024 (32 bit) (75Hz)
Monitor: BenQ G2400W (Analog)
Driver Name:

aticfx64.dll,aticfx64.dll,aticfx64.dll,aticfx32,aticfx32,aticfx32,atiumd64.dll,ati

dxx64.dll,atidxx64.dll,atiumdag,atidxx32,atidxx32,atiumdva,atiumd6a.cap,atitmm64.d

ll
Driver Version: 8.17.0010.1124 (English)
DDI Version: 10.1
BGRA Supported: Yes
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Driver Date/Size: 4/6/2012 10:20:04, 1067520 bytes
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
WHQL Date Stamp:
Device Identifier: {D7B71EE2-D700-11CF-D467-0A20BEC2C535}
Vendor ID: 0x1002
Device ID: 0x9440
SubSys ID: 0x00000000
Revision ID: 0x0000
Revision ID: 0x0000
Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_A ModeMPEG2_C
Deinterlace Caps: {6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=

(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB

VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=

(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB

VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=

(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB

VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY
{6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=

(UYVY,UYVY) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB

VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=

(UYVY,UYVY) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB

VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=

(UYVY,UYVY) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB

VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY
{5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=

(YV12,0x32315659) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
{3C5323C1-6FB7-44F5-9081-056BF2EE449D}: Format(In/Out)=

(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,2) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB

VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{552C0DAD-CCBC-420B-83C8-74943CF9F1A6}: Format(In/Out)=

(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,2) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB

VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=

(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB

VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
{335AA36E-7884-43A4-9C91-7F87FAF3E37E}: Format(In/Out)=

(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB

VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_BOBVerticalStretch
{5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=

(NV12,0x3231564e) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB

VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY
{5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=

(IMC1,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
{5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=

(IMC2,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
{5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=

(IMC3,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
{5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=

(IMC4,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
{5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=

(S340,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
{5A54A0C9-C7EC-4BD9-8EDE-F3C75DC4393B}: Format(In/Out)=

(S342,UNKNOWN) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,0) Caps=
DDraw Status: Enabled
D3D Status: Enabled
AGP Status: Enabled

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Sound Devices
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Description: Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio)
Default Sound Playback: Yes
Default Voice Playback: Yes
Hardware ID:

HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_10EC&DEV_0885&SUBSYS_15BD3112&REV_1001
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 100
Type: WDM
Driver Name: RTKVHD64.sys
Driver Version: 6.00.0001.6316 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
Date and Size: 2/24/2011 18:21:10, 2753512 bytes
Other Files:
Driver Provider: Realtek Semiconductor Corp.
HW Accel Level: Basic
Cap Flags: 0xF1F
Min/Max Sample Rate: 100, 200000
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 1, 0
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: No
EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No

Description: Realtek Digital Output (Realtek High Definition Audio)
Default Sound Playback: No
Default Voice Playback: No
Hardware ID:

HDAUDIO\FUNC_01&VEN_10EC&DEV_0885&SUBSYS_15BD3112&REV_1001
Manufacturer ID: 1
Product ID: 100
Type: WDM
Driver Name: RTKVHD64.sys
Driver Version: 6.00.0001.6316 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
WHQL Logo'd: Yes
Date and Size: 2/24/2011 18:21:10, 2753512 bytes
Other Files:
Driver Provider: Realtek Semiconductor Corp.
HW Accel Level: Basic
Cap Flags: 0xF1F
Min/Max Sample Rate: 100, 200000
Static/Strm HW Mix Bufs: 1, 0
Static/Strm HW 3D Bufs: 0, 0
HW Memory: 0
Voice Management: No
EAX(tm) 2.0 Listen/Src: No, No
I3DL2(tm) Listen/Src: No, No
Sensaura(tm) ZoomFX(tm): No

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Sound Capture Devices
---------------------
Description: Realtek Digital Input (Realtek High Definition Audio)
Default Sound Capture: Yes
Default Voice Capture: Yes
Driver Name: RTKVHD64.sys
Driver Version: 6.00.0001.6316 (English)
Driver Attributes: Final Retail
Date and Size: 2/24/2011 18:21:10, 2753512 bytes
Cap Flags: 0x1
Format Flags: 0xFFFFF

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DirectInput Devices
-------------------
Device Name: Mouse
Attached: 1
Controller ID: n/a
Vendor/Product ID: n/a
FF Driver: n/a

Device Name: Keyboard
Attached: 1
Controller ID: n/a
Vendor/Product ID: n/a
FF Driver: n/a

Device Name: G9x Laser Mouse
Attached: 1
Controller ID: 0x0
Vendor/Product ID: 0x046D, 0xC066
FF Driver: n/a

Device Name: G9x Laser Mouse
Attached: 1
Controller ID: 0x0
Vendor/Product ID: 0x046D, 0xC066
FF Driver: n/a

Device Name: G9x Laser Mouse
Attached: 1
Controller ID: 0x0
Vendor/Product ID: 0x046D, 0xC066
FF Driver: n/a

Device Name: G510 Gaming Keyboard
Attached: 1
Controller ID: 0x0
Vendor/Product ID: 0x046D, 0xC22D
FF Driver: n/a

Device Name: G510 Gaming Keyboard
Attached: 1
Controller ID: 0x0
Vendor/Product ID: 0x046D, 0xC22D
FF Driver: n/a

Poll w/ Interrupt: No

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USB Devices
-----------
+ USB Root Hub
| Vendor/Product ID: 0x8086, 0x2939
| Matching Device ID: usb\root_hub
| Service: usbhub
| Driver: usbhub.sys, 4/11/2009 13:39:52, 273920 bytes
| Driver: usbd.sys, 1/21/2008 10:46:32, 7680 bytes

----------------
Gameport Devices
----------------

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PS/2 Devices
------------
+ HID Keyboard Device
| Vendor/Product ID: 0x046D, 0xC066
| Matching Device ID: hid_device_system_keyboard
| Service: kbdhid
| Driver: kbdhid.sys, 4/11/2009 13:33:40, 22528 bytes
| Driver: kbdclass.sys, 1/21/2008 10:46:34, 42040 bytes
|
+ HID Keyboard Device
| Vendor/Product ID: 0x046D, 0xC22D
| Matching Device ID: hid_device_system_keyboard
| Service: kbdhid
| Driver: kbdhid.sys, 4/11/2009 13:33:40, 22528 bytes
| Driver: kbdclass.sys, 1/21/2008 10:46:34, 42040 bytes
|
+ HID Keyboard Device
| Vendor/Product ID: 0x046D, 0xC232
| Matching Device ID: hid_device_system_keyboard
| Service: kbdhid
| Driver: kbdhid.sys, 4/11/2009 13:33:40, 22528 bytes
| Driver: kbdclass.sys, 1/21/2008 10:46:34, 42040 bytes
|
+ Terminal Server Keyboard Driver
| Matching Device ID: root\rdp_kbd
| Upper Filters: kbdclass
| Service: TermDD
| Driver: i8042prt.sys, 1/21/2008 10:46:34, 64000 bytes
| Driver: kbdclass.sys, 1/21/2008 10:46:34, 42040 bytes
|
+ Logitech HID-compliant G9x Laser Mouse
| Vendor/Product ID: 0x046D, 0xC066
| Matching Device ID: hid\vid_046d&pid_c066&mi_00
| Upper Filters: LMouFilt
| Lower Filters: LHidFilt
| Service: mouhid
| Driver: LHidFilt.Sys, 6/17/2009 09:54:22, 55312 bytes
| Driver: LMouFilt.Sys, 6/17/2009 09:54:30, 57872 bytes
| Driver: KHALMNPR.Exe, 6/17/2009 09:53:28, 130576 bytes
| Driver: WdfCoInstaller01005.dll, 11/2/2006 09:04:56, 1919968 bytes
| Driver: mouhid.sys, 1/21/2008 10:46:07, 19968 bytes
| Driver: mouclass.sys, 1/21/2008 10:46:07, 39992 bytes
|
+ HID-compliant mouse
| Vendor/Product ID: 0x046D, 0xC231
| Matching Device ID: hid_device_system_mouse
| Service: mouhid
| Driver: mouhid.sys, 1/21/2008 10:46:07, 19968 bytes
| Driver: mouclass.sys, 1/21/2008 10:46:07, 39992 bytes
|
+ Terminal Server Mouse Driver
| Matching Device ID: root\rdp_mou
| Upper Filters: mouclass
| Service: TermDD
| Driver: termdd.sys, 4/11/2009 15:15:53, 62440 bytes
| Driver: sermouse.sys, 1/21/2008 10:46:07, 26624 bytes
| Driver: mouclass.sys, 1/21/2008 10:46:07, 39992 bytes

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Disk & DVD/CD-ROM Drives
------------------------
Drive: C:
Free Space: 164.1 GB
Total Space: 476.9 GB
File System: NTFS
Model: Hitachi HDP725050GLA360 ATA Device

Drive: E:
Free Space: 334.0 GB
Total Space: 476.9 GB
File System: NTFS
Model: Hitachi HDP725050GLA360 ATA Device

Drive: D:
Model: Optiarc DVD RW AD-7200S ATA Device
Driver: c:\windows\system32\drivers\cdrom.sys, 6.00.6002.18005 (English),

4/11/2009 13:34:39, 79872 bytes

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System Devices
--------------
Name: Intel(R) X38 Express Chipset PCI Express Root Port - 29E9
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_29E9&SUBSYS_29E98086&REV_01\3&2411E6FE&0&30
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\pci.sys, 6.00.6002.18005 (English),

4/11/2009 15:15:31, 178664 bytes

Name: Intel(R) X38 Express Chipset PCI Express Root Port - 29E1
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_29E1&SUBSYS_29E18086&REV_01\3&2411E6FE&0&08
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\pci.sys, 6.00.6002.18005 (English),

4/11/2009 15:15:31, 178664 bytes

Name: Intel(R) X38 Express Chipset Processor to I/O Controller - 29E0
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_29E0&SUBSYS_29E08086&REV_01\3&2411E6FE&0&00
Driver: n/a

Name: Intel(R) ICH9 Family PCI Express Root Port 6 - 294A
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_294A&SUBSYS_294A8086&REV_02\3&2411E6FE&0&E5
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\pci.sys, 6.00.6002.18005 (English),

4/11/2009 15:15:31, 178664 bytes

Name: Intel(R) ICH9 Family PCI Express Root Port 5 - 2948
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2948&SUBSYS_29488086&REV_02\3&2411E6FE&0&E4
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\pci.sys, 6.00.6002.18005 (English),

4/11/2009 15:15:31, 178664 bytes

Name: Intel(R) ICH9 Family PCI Express Root Port 4 - 2946
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2946&SUBSYS_29468086&REV_02\3&2411E6FE&0&E3
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\pci.sys, 6.00.6002.18005 (English),

4/11/2009 15:15:31, 178664 bytes

Name: Intel(R) ICH9 Family PCI Express Root Port 1 - 2940
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2940&SUBSYS_29408086&REV_02\3&2411E6FE&0&E0
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\pci.sys, 6.00.6002.18005 (English),

4/11/2009 15:15:31, 178664 bytes

Name: High Definition Audio Controller
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_293E&SUBSYS_293E8086&REV_02\3&2411E6FE&0&D8
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\hdaudbus.sys, 6.00.6002.18005 (English),

4/11/2009 13:39:41, 948736 bytes

Name: Intel(R) ICH9 Family USB2 Enhanced Host Controller - 293C
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_293C&SUBSYS_293C8086&REV_02\3&2411E6FE&0&D7
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbehci.sys, 6.00.6002.18005 (English),

4/11/2009 13:39:36, 49664 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbport.sys, 6.00.6002.18005 (English),

4/11/2009 13:39:39, 259584 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbhub.sys, 6.00.6002.18005 (English),

4/11/2009 13:39:52, 273920 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\hccoin.dll, 6.00.6000.16386 (English), 11/2/2006

19:17:29, 10752 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\hcrstco.dll, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), 1/21/2008

10:46:32, 17920 bytes

Name: Intel(R) ICH9 Family USB2 Enhanced Host Controller - 293A
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_293A&SUBSYS_293A8086&REV_02\3&2411E6FE&0&EF
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbehci.sys, 6.00.6002.18005 (English),

4/11/2009 13:39:36, 49664 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbport.sys, 6.00.6002.18005 (English),

4/11/2009 13:39:39, 259584 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\drivers\usbhub.sys, 6.00.6002.18005 (English),

4/11/2009 13:39:52, 273920 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\hccoin.dll, 6.00.6000.16386 (English), 11/2/2006

19:17:29, 10752 bytes
Driver: C:\Windows\system32\hcrstco.dll, 6.00.6001.18000 (English), 1/21/2008

10:46:32, 17920 bytes

Name: Intel(R) ICH9 Family USB Universal Host Controller - 2939
Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2939&SUBSYS_29398086&REV_02\3&2411E6FE&0&D2
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June 7, 2012 12:13:07 PM

tomz1993 said:
Hi, i constantly have around 31 - 39 fps which dips below 30 to 25, and even 20 in graphic demanding levels, my PC is about 5 years old so i'm not sure if its just a matter of my hardware being outdated or perhaps something else? my specs are ------------------ (note, i edited the graphic card to say 4850 x2 because it only said 4800 series last time)


Well, you dont tell what settings you are using in BF3, but I assume you are using ultra with the best possible resolution with your monitor. And in that case, the answer is short, the fps you get is what I would expect from your computer with those settings.
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June 7, 2012 12:16:08 PM

Nope, everything is on medium/low with no anti aliasing.
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June 7, 2012 12:17:03 PM

Also, ive noticed the temperate of m CPU is getting pretty high sometimes reaching 60!
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June 7, 2012 12:22:35 PM

You need to upgrade your video cards to one or two current or last gen cards.

It will make a big difference. Even though the BF3 requirements mention it will run on DX10, they recommend a DX11 card. I would go with the EA recommended 560TI or Radeon 6950 or better.
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June 7, 2012 12:24:45 PM

You have a few bottlenecks. I think your GPU is fine enough to run this game. My 5850 ran it on max settings and you have 2 4850s. Or a 4850x2 whatever. Not important.

Your bottlenecks are your CPU. E8600 is not a good CPU anymore. If you know how to overclock it then do that. Also overclock your GPU that will give you some wiggle room. If you dont want to buy a new CPU then adjust some of the settings to favor the GPU and reduce load on CPU. Lower things like post processing but increase textures, resolution, anything that is done on the GPU.

In the catalyst control panel make sure your drivers are updated for the GPU.

In game disable HBAO, Post Processing. You are also running vista. Disable Aero and youll see a huge boost in the performance department. Aero is fairly processor and ram intensive. If its 32-bit vista then your 6GB of RAM is bottlenecked. I would actually suggest downloading and installing the windows 8 Consumer preview and use that.

Edit: Im not saying your GPU doesnt need to be upgraded. You should probably think about getting a new computer. But, it is more than enough to run this game on high settings at 1920x1080 with 40-60fps. You are getting outrageous dips in framerate because of your CPU bottleneck. If you Overclock your Processor you will see a huge stabilization in framerate.
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June 7, 2012 12:25:32 PM

Ah, yes, didn't notice the headline. Well, in that case the framerates are bit low. Some people have complained about BF3:s scaling in crossfire with some cards, so might be because of that.
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June 7, 2012 12:28:14 PM

No offense, but you are expecting to run the most graphically intensive game in the last year not to mention huge maps on 5 yr old equipment? Theres your answer right there. Upgrade.
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June 7, 2012 12:33:55 PM

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No offense, but you are expecting to run the most graphically intensive game in the last year not to mention huge maps on 5 yr old equipment? Theres your answer right there. Upgrade.


I guess you are right, i've just been so reluctant to upgrade because this computer all up costed me an arm and a leg, i'm not very experienced with the internal side of PC's, but i've always thought my Coolermaster HAF case was way to big.. What upgrades can i do that will increase performance greatly but not cost me to much? By that i mean, what should i replace and what should i keep, if any. :( ?
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June 7, 2012 12:38:22 PM

tomz1993 said:
I guess you are right, i've just been so reluctant to upgrade because this computer all up costed me an arm and a leg, i'm not very experienced with the internal side of PC's, but i've always thought my Coolermaster HAF case was way to big.. What upgrades can i do that will increase performance greatly but not cost me to much? By that i mean, what should i replace and what should i keep, if any. :( ?



In my post above i gave you some tips on how to increase performance with no cost to you.

I would actually hold off until upgrading for 6 months to a year and save up for a new computer. By that time it will be high end and will be able to run the unreal engine 4 games. If you buy now the graphical jump by the new console generation will make it outdated much faster. This always happens after a generation ends.
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June 7, 2012 12:44:36 PM

kidcrumb said:
In my post above i gave you some tips on how to increase performance with no cost to you.

I would actually hold off until upgrading for 6 months to a year and save up for a new computer. By that time it will be high end and will be able to run the unreal engine 4 games. If you buy now the graphical jump by the new console generation will make it outdated much faster. This always happens after a generation ends.


Thanks for the tips, I have never overclocked my CPU before, how hard is this to do?
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June 7, 2012 12:54:37 PM

there a few things you can do to help your game play. one is to open the case and see if anything dust bound. dust will cause pc to over heat..over heat means the cpu and gpu have to throttle back. also use msconfig and turn off things in start up like java updater..itunes..all that needs to be there is your anti virus software..anything else is eating ram. i would run ccleaner and defrag or defragler and chech how much free space is left on drive c. if it preaty full windows wont be able to make a swap file.
run a good malware and anti virus scan..dont need that stuff hogging cpu or ram. check that you have the newest mb chipset drivers loaded and ones for sound too.
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June 7, 2012 12:55:36 PM

There are guides to OC here on Toms Hardware. However, if you havent done it before, you may be upgrading anyhow, it can damage equipment, altho with newer stuff it limits how much damage you can do. 5 year old stuff? Just be careful with anything you try like that, waiting a year is kinda silly if you want to play BF3 now and without it being a slideshow.
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June 7, 2012 1:09:01 PM

Additional Tips:

Go to start and run msconfig. Choose the third option selective startup. Go to startup tab and uncheck everything except your AV and a few of microsofts services. Things that are programs should be disabled. If you are unsure then google it or leave it alone.

Get a new Anti virus. I recomend Microsoft Security essentials. Its fast and wont slow down your system at all.

As for overclocking bios is the best way to do it. The only software Overclocking program i know is Nvidia Ntune. Even though you have ATi/AMD card you can still use Ntune for CPU.

If you want to BIOS overclock for the most part with intel CPUs its just increasing the FSB (Front Side Bus) value and bump voltage up if it is unstable. So I would find a guide online and increase FSB to the point of having a 3.8ghz or 4ghz overclock with a safe voltage.


Maybe it will help.

Disable Windows Aero theme. Right click the BF3 icon and go to compatibility. Check disable desktop composition or disable aero all together manually by going into personalize after right clicking, and themes, then disable aero.
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June 7, 2012 1:39:42 PM

Thanks for the help so far guys, i'll try this and let you know if it changes anything
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June 7, 2012 1:47:11 PM

Also this is just a nit picky thing. Lol. But when you give your system Specs you dont need the entire DXdiag log. Basically just the system information part.

Just state:
CPU
RAM
GPU
Motherboard (optional)
and power supply if you are asking for an upgrade.

It helps with the people who quote the entire message.
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June 7, 2012 2:10:50 PM

kidcrumb said:
Also this is just a nit picky thing. Lol. But when you give your system Specs you dont need the entire DXdiag log. Basically just the system information part.

Just state:
CPU
RAM
GPU
Motherboard (optional)
and power supply if you are asking for an upgrade.

It helps with the people who quote the entire message.

Resolution always helps too. Most older games (and some newer) can cause a CPU bottleneck even with newer systems at lower resolutions (LT 1080p).
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June 7, 2012 2:18:39 PM

Yeah. I figured they would add some more info i just mean for pure system specs. I mentioned in an earlier post to increase resolution as it decreases CPU load as well.
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June 7, 2012 4:53:12 PM

kidcrumb said:
In my post above i gave you some tips on how to increase performance with no cost to you.

I would actually hold off until upgrading for 6 months to a year and save up for a new computer. By that time it will be high end and will be able to run the unreal engine 4 games. If you buy now the graphical jump by the new console generation will make it outdated much faster. This always happens after a generation ends.


I tried everything you said to no avail, the frame rate was increased by about 5 - 7 but still manages to dip to below 30, i tried overclocking a few times but changed it back to default because i didn't feel experienced enough,

I've decided to upgrade my machine , should i start with Gfx card or processor ?
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June 7, 2012 5:38:27 PM

That haf is a good case keep it.
Btw how is your thermal paste going on your machine? If it's old it might need replacing that could lower temps.
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June 7, 2012 7:08:30 PM

For overclocking the GPU use MSi Afterburner. It is easy and great to use. Dont worry about breaking something while overclocking. Increase voltage by .05 for every 10 fsb increase.

If you are upgrading everything then why bother about breaking it? If you mess something up then load defaults in Bios.

But upgrade the CPU/mobo and RAM first. Get an Ivy Bridge if you can afford it.
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June 7, 2012 9:02:44 PM

the CPU is your bottleneck, to run BF3 MP smoothly you want atleast a 3ghz+ quad core.
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June 7, 2012 9:42:49 PM

It seems like you should have a good power supply if you are running crossfire. To be safe open the case and tell us what power supply you have and it's watts.

I am not sure what your budget is, but your best bet is to get a new CPU/Mobo/Ram/OS. Use the GPU cards you have now and see how it goes. Then upgrade the cards as needed.

It tends to be a good idea to go for the best single card you can afford. If you do and skip CF/SLI then you can get a cheaper Mobo and move more money to the CPU or GPU.

If you don't upgrade all that much I'd advise you to pick up an i5 (2500k) cpu and z68 mobo

Here are some good CPU/Mobo combos.

$326: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

or cheaper:

$306: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Ram

$40 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OS

100: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

From there see how the card(s) do. If you still need to get more GPU then aim for a

HD 7850 gpu or whatever card is the best value when you jump in.

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June 8, 2012 3:10:59 AM

What power supply do you have running in there?

My buddy runs a E8400 with dual 550Ti's with BF3 and does fine. It sounds kinda like your PSU is not supplying enough power to the card.

If the PSU is not the case, it might be some sort of limiting factor, as described above.
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June 8, 2012 1:03:52 PM

Dual 550Tis outclass the 4850x2.

But PSU information wouldnt hurt. I dont believe that is the case. I wouldnt upgrade to i5 because its a waste. i7 or nothing.

with i5 you get a good quad core CPU. It costs nothing when making a new build to get i7 over i5 and youll have hyper threading. Go for an i7. i5 is a waste of money.

And i wouldnt bother getting windows 7. Although its better than windows 8, you can save $100 by getting the consumer preview build for windows 8 for free.
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June 8, 2012 5:09:10 PM

kidcrumb said:
I wouldnt upgrade to i5 because its a waste. i7 or nothing.

with i5 you get a good quad core CPU. It costs nothing when making a new build to get i7 over i5 and youll have hyper threading. Go for an i7. i5 is a waste of money.



That is bad advise in a gaming rig context. His question was about gaming calling an i5 a waste of money?
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June 8, 2012 5:53:54 PM

I disagree. Upgrading to a 1155 socket is one thing. Thats fine. All i meant is for the exact same amount of money, you can get an i7 instead of i5. So i5 is a waste of money since you are not getting optimum performance for the price you are paying.

And the i7 has hyper threading which the i5 does not. i7 is more future proof.
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June 8, 2012 6:18:40 PM

Where can you find an i7 for the price of an i5? Do share!
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June 8, 2012 6:26:59 PM

The term "future-proof" in the context of a discussion over processors is plain silly. These things will be old news in 12-18 months. It bothers me any time I see someone mention that term within the scope of technology. Beside a good case (and who knows when the case connectors or ATX spec will change again), everything else becomes old and obsolete within a few years. Get a PC where you want it today, and start setting money aside for the next one in a couple of years.

But I agree with kidcrumb regarding the fact that if you can do it, get an i7. You can always turn off hyperthreading. You probably won't even need to unless you're going for some overclock record and you need to reduce your temps during the overload. I don't think they even turn off hyperthreading when conducting gaming reviews any longer. They also run all reviews on i7s for the most part. There's a reason for it. Newer games are taking advantage of more threads.

Given the same price for an i5 or an i7, you're going to go with the i7.
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June 8, 2012 6:49:17 PM

ubercake said:
The term "future-proof" in the context of a discussion over processors is plain silly. These things will be old news in 12-18 months. It bothers me any time I see someone mention that term within the scope of technology. Beside a good case (and who knows when the case connectors or ATX spec will change again), everything else becomes old and obsolete within a few years. Get a PC where you want it today, and start setting money aside for the next one in a couple of years.

But I agree with kidcrumb regarding the fact that if you can do it, get an i7. You can always turn off hyperthreading. You probably won't even need to unless you're going for some overclock record and you need to reduce your temps during the overload. I don't think they even turn off hyperthreading when conducting gaming reviews any longer. They also run all reviews on i7s for the most part. There's a reason for it. Newer games are taking advantage of more threads.

Given the same price for an i5 or an i7, you're going to go with the i7.


Where can you find an i7 for the price of an i5? Do share!

Past the Point of Reason: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-o...

CPUs priced over $220 offer rapidly diminishing returns when it comes to game performance. As such, we have a hard time recommending anything more expensive than the Core i5-2500K, especially since this multiplier-unlocked processor can be overclocked to great effect if more performance is desired. Even at stock clocks, it meets or beats the $1000 Core i7-990X Extreme Edition when it comes to gaming.

As far as new games go, to think that we will need an i7 to run them in the near term is just silly. Games are held back due to PS/3--x-box 360 masses. If you look at what will replace them you still don't need an i7. The market is setting the development trend here. The money maker model is to make a game that runs on a consoles then port it to a PC. There is not a whole lot to fear.

But if you can get an i7 for the price of an i5 then sure why not. But I am still waiting for a link to that i7.
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June 8, 2012 7:03:39 PM

loops said:
Where can you find an i7 for the price of an i5? Do share!

Past the Point of Reason: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-o...

CPUs priced over $220 offer rapidly diminishing returns when it comes to game performance. As such, we have a hard time recommending anything more expensive than the Core i5-2500K, especially since this multiplier-unlocked processor can be overclocked to great effect if more performance is desired. Even at stock clocks, it meets or beats the $1000 Core i7-990X Extreme Edition when it comes to gaming.

As far as new games go, to think that we will need an i7 to run them in the near term is just silly. Games are held back due to PS/3--x-box 360 masses. If you look at what will replace them you still don't need an i7. The market is setting the development trend here. The money maker model is to make a game that runs on a consoles then port it to a PC. There is not a whole lot to fear.

But if you can get an i7 for the price of an i5 then sure why not. But I am still waiting for a link to that i7.

I'd like to see the link to the i7 at the same price as well. kidcrumb?

Diminishing returns as the price goes up is the nature of any product. Look at GPUs, CPUs, cars, etc... Top-end does not mean economical by any means.
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June 8, 2012 7:06:41 PM

Gotta love people who throw out info that isnt accurate, or even close to being accurate. Bravo.
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June 8, 2012 7:07:50 PM

i5 @ nice clock speed would run BF3 nicely. 2500k or 3550k would be nice for you.
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June 9, 2012 1:28:53 AM

Future proofing is usually thrown around somewhat wrong, but think of the early adopters of the i7 920. I bought one about 6 months after release and there is still no real reason to upgrade. Mine is at 4ghz and getting an i7 2600k or whatever wouldnt really give me any benefit except temperatures.

If you have a microcenter near you they always have an i7 marked down for $199.99

Their website is horrible and never updated so i cant link you to it but the one in michigan always has deals. My i7 920 was only 199 and when the Sandy Bridge came out the i7 2600k was 199. The 920 was replaced by the 930 for $199 and im sure the 2600k has been replaced by now as well. Doesnt matter if it has or not really. But call a microcenter near you and see if they have one. And if they will ship it to you.
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June 9, 2012 5:48:58 AM

kidcrumb said:
Future proofing is usually thrown around somewhat wrong, but think of the early adopters of the i7 920. I bought one about 6 months after release and there is still no real reason to upgrade. Mine is at 4ghz and getting an i7 2600k or whatever wouldnt really give me any benefit except temperatures.

If you have a microcenter near you they always have an i7 marked down for $199.99

Their website is horrible and never updated so i cant link you to it but the one in michigan always has deals. My i7 920 was only 199 and when the Sandy Bridge came out the i7 2600k was 199. The 920 was replaced by the 930 for $199 and im sure the 2600k has been replaced by now as well. Doesnt matter if it has or not really. But call a microcenter near you and see if they have one. And if they will ship it to you.


http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-o...

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June 9, 2012 8:20:12 AM

loops said:
It seems like you should have a good power supply if you are running crossfire. To be safe open the case and tell us what power supply you have and it's watts.

I am not sure what your budget is, but your best bet is to get a new CPU/Mobo/Ram/OS. Use the GPU cards you have now and see how it goes. Then upgrade the cards as needed.

It tends to be a good idea to go for the best single card you can afford. If you do and skip CF/SLI then you can get a cheaper Mobo and move more money to the CPU or GPU.

If you don't upgrade all that much I'd advise you to pick up an i5 (2500k) cpu and z68 mobo

Here are some good CPU/Mobo combos.

$326: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

or cheaper:

$306: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Ram

$40 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OS

100: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

From there see how the card(s) do. If you still need to get more GPU then aim for a

HD 7850 gpu or whatever card is the best value when you jump in.



Hi, i have a 1000W Corsair Power supply, also i am in Australia so i don't think i have a microcenter

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June 9, 2012 8:30:54 AM

I'm not sure if its more expensive to buy computer components in australia but i'd imagine it would be.. I was looking at i7 most of them are around $250 - 400
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June 9, 2012 12:41:39 PM

kidcrumb said:
Future proofing is usually thrown around somewhat wrong, but think of the early adopters of the i7 920. I bought one about 6 months after release and there is still no real reason to upgrade. Mine is at 4ghz and getting an i7 2600k or whatever wouldnt really give me any benefit except temperatures.

If you have a microcenter near you they always have an i7 marked down for $199.99

Their website is horrible and never updated so i cant link you to it but the one in michigan always has deals. My i7 920 was only 199 and when the Sandy Bridge came out the i7 2600k was 199. The 920 was replaced by the 930 for $199 and im sure the 2600k has been replaced by now as well. Doesnt matter if it has or not really. But call a microcenter near you and see if they have one. And if they will ship it to you.

If you have the Microcenter option, it's a good option to have. Just about every processor deal is 'in-store only', though with a 'limit 1 per household' restriction.

I only remember them marking down the 2600K for a Friday/Saturday a couple months ago, though?

The 2500Ks are running at $169.99 regularly now.
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June 9, 2012 1:57:23 PM

kidcrumb said:
Future proofing is usually thrown around somewhat wrong, but think of the early adopters of the i7 920. I bought one about 6 months after release and there is still no real reason to upgrade. Mine is at 4ghz and getting an i7 2600k or whatever wouldnt really give me any benefit except temperatures.

If you have a microcenter near you they always have an i7 marked down for $199.99

Their website is horrible and never updated so i cant link you to it but the one in michigan always has deals. My i7 920 was only 199 and when the Sandy Bridge came out the i7 2600k was 199. The 920 was replaced by the 930 for $199 and im sure the 2600k has been replaced by now as well. Doesnt matter if it has or not really. But call a microcenter near you and see if they have one. And if they will ship it to you.


The 2600K smashes the i7-920 in every possible way and I scoff at the comment- "getting an i7 2600k or whatever wouldnt really give me any benefit except temperatures.". Plain ridiculous.

2600Ksmashes920

In fact the 2500K beats the 920~

2500Kbeating920

The 2600K was only $199 at MC for a short period upon the release of Ivy Bridge. They no longer sell it for that price... in the last two weeks I have visited MC in Chicago and Boston and the only Intel deals they have going is for the i5-3570K ($189.99) and $50 off any Z77 motherboard.

Last but not least, most items at MC are for in-store pickup only.

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June 9, 2012 2:01:06 PM

I know the new Sandy Bridge gives better performance than my i7 920. And some of the new i5s maybe. I was just trying to say that the performance of the new i7 and i5 line doesnt really warrant a new build from people who bought the original i7. Performance is like 20% better tops in some applications which is a lot, but not enough to spend another grand for a new rig.
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June 9, 2012 2:04:24 PM

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but not enough to spend another grand for a new rig.


Closer to $400...
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June 9, 2012 3:19:00 PM

Yeah. I kind of forgot youd only need mobo and CPU. since RAM should carry over for the most part. haha.
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June 9, 2012 9:02:53 PM

tomz1993 said:
Hi, i have a 1000W Corsair Power supply, also i am in Australia so i don't think i have a microcenter



If you would like, link a site that you will buy from and give us a budget.
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June 18, 2012 6:59:27 PM

How much money and what do i need to upgrade to max bf3 from my current rig, Thanks
? please do in AUS dollar.
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June 18, 2012 7:15:26 PM

There is so much info on this site related to BF3 and what it needs to run, it woul dbe nice if people just did a search and figure it out, it isnt hard. There is tons of these threads, with tons of info in them. Do some work yourself and figure it out. Youll be much more personally satisfied making this decision on your own than getting 10 people advice.
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June 18, 2012 7:34:37 PM

Reinstall your gpu driver. It worked for me with my 550 ti
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