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In article <MPG.1d37216f6a1c6cd2989736@news.west.cox.net>,
Rob Berryhill <rob_berryhill@hotmail.com> wrote:
> In article <Mscze.124718$6g3.82096@tornado.texas.rr.com>,
> diaboyos@aafa.net says...
> > I made a rogue awhile back, my first melee char in WoW, and have a few
> > general questions.
> >
> > Along the lines of dual-weild. I haven't decided if I wanna go with swords
> > or daggers, any advice on that? I have 2 of each. The swords speed is 2.2
> > and the dagger's 1.4 but with obviously less damage. But even so the
> > daggers DPS is higher.
> > First, what happens if I use a dagger and a sword. I'm thinking that the
> > speed is only as fast as my slowest weap, so the dagger gets slowed to 2.2
> > as well? So in that case using one sword I may as well use both of em for
> > max damage? Or does the dagger strike at its speed and the sword at its
> > own?
> > Does it actually use the damage from both weaps in dual-weild as well? So
> > you can theoretically combine the DPS from both weaps? If that's true then
> > the sword/dagger combo would still do more damage than 2 swords?
> > Thx to anyone who can shed some light on the dual-weild issue for me!
>
> You are asking a very complex question, but I'll try to break it down
> for you as simply as possible. Really, it all depends on your talent
> build, but here are some key points to rogues:
>
> 1. Your special attacks (SS, Eviscerate, etc) are largely based off of
> your main hand weapon damage. Because of this, unless you are a
> Backstab/Ambush rogue, you want the *highest* possible damage in your
> main hand. Some morons will tell you that you need a slow weapon, but
> this has NO bearing on it. The only thing is that most high damage
> weapons tend to be slower, so people somehow associate that with the
> damage, but the reality is if you have a faster weapon with the same
> high damage you want to go with the *faster* weapon, NOT the slower one.
Pretty much - I'm weilding a fast Shadowblade, and it's my main killing
tool - I have a dagger equiped in offhand (forgetwhat, it has an icon of
the smaller of a samurai sword set) that I got for it's speed, to get
poison going ASAP, I don't even care about the crits from offhand (the
blade also gives me + skills). It's a good combo, and working really
well for me right now, as I tend to go toe to toe when fighting.
> 2. Rogues use poison (or should if they don't), so since your offhand
> does not affect your special attacks, you want to use the fastest
> possible weapon in your offhand so that your poison has a chance to be
> applied more often.
I don't fight without poison, ever.
Ever.
It's THE best edge you can have in a fight. I go upgrade/learn new
poisons long before I go learn new talents - and I'll blow gold on
poisons before I'll even look at the AH.
> 3. The reality of many servers (including mine) is that you take
> whatever weapon you can get after about level 40, because there is a
> severe dearth of good daggers at 45+. I have used the following in my
> time as a rogue: dual daggers, dual swords, dual maces, sword dagger,
> mace dagger - basically the best weapon I can get for each hand at
> various levels. Currently I use a 37.2 DPS 73-132 dmg mace with a speed
> of like 2.7 (don't remember for sure) in my main hand and a 40.0 DPS
> dagger with a 1.4 speed in my offhand.
Very true, I'm at 48, and while mt weapons are decent for now, I need an
upgrade soon, and there's not much in the AH these days.
> On a side note, train in guns, crossbows and bows when you have the
> cash, because even though you rarely pull with ranged as a rogue, you
> can get good stats from weapons (my current bow gives me +11 Agility)
> and it's nice to finish off a runner with a ranged weapon sometimes.
"Rarely pull"? Not with me around!
I've taken on the pulling job many times, in pickup groups when we don't
have a hunter, and I do fairly well, and I pull constantly when I solo,
which has been up to 80% of my time (that's changing fast, I'm hitting
quests and instances that are just not soloable). I've gotten pretty
good at it, and have a good gun and buy mithril shot. I hate, hate,
hate, hate, hate, hate runners, and I love dropping them as they run
away.
I'm nothing compared to a good hunter, but I have a blast with my gun.
They're really fun to irritate Horde with on Xroads raids or in BGs.
Little serious damage, but BOY do they get irked when I start plinking
at them.
> As an aside, in raids I've been in with CTRaid mod running, I have been
> the #1 damage dealer in the group. Outdamaging the other rogues and
> mages. I generally account for about 16% of the group damage and the
> closest other person is usually at around 13% of the group damage, and I
> don't even have great gear yet.
I believe it, good rogues (which I am not - I still have a lot to learn)
are death on two legs - I've watched some at work that blew me away - I
watched a level 50 rogue in Uldaman use some of the coolest moves, I
can't quite firgure out what he/she was doing, she was darting, hitting,
and darting out, in a ring around the mobs, I tried it later on greyed
mobs, and I just can'tget the hang of movement like that with a mouse
and keyboard! I also need to get a good level-appropriate dagger and
start learning dual-dagger skills, and the dagger attacks, which I fully
admit I've skimped on.
I'd like to add, to the original poster, the Rogue forums at teh WOW
website are excellent if you want to dig into the hardcore mechanics of
the class - they tend to be a bit rigid there as far as builds go, but
the wealth of info there is astounding.