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July 31, 2012 2:01:13 PM

Hello.

This is going to be my first computer build and I think I have got down the compatibility, and everything else. However, since this is my first build and I don't want to have to spend another $200 on something because I made a mistake, it would be nice if some people who really know what they are talking about gave me any advice/suggestions on the parts.

I am looking to potentially overclock my CPU. I want to stick with the Switch 810.

Final Builds: w/ Crucial M4 http://pcpartpicker.com/p/dvl5 or w/ Mushkin Chronos Deluxe http://pcpartpicker.com/p/dvfL

Original Build: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/cYHY
Updated Build 1: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/duGp
Updated Build 2: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/duXt

Thanks in advance for any help/suggestions! :) 

I would like it to be a powerful gaming computer as you can probably tell if you have looked at the configuration. ;) 

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July 31, 2012 2:04:45 PM

Be rid of the H100, and get a Hyper 212 Evo or Noctua Dh-14.
I dont think your motherboard is Triple Channel, so you should only buy 2 x 8GB of RAM. Edit: or 4 x4GB.
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July 31, 2012 2:17:16 PM

I was just going with 12GB because I felt like it. I can probably go down to 8GB, nothing over 12GB for now at least and I can buy more RAM when I feel like it is needed.

I am really not sure about the cooling, I heard that liquid cooling was easy to install and manage... I am currently looking at reviews and things for H100, and NF-D14.

Thanks.
July 31, 2012 2:22:05 PM

triple channel memory doesnt work well. either you get 8gb or 16gb

liquid cooling isnt really worth it unless you are over 2 120mm rads. h100+ 2 nf-f12 fans rack you up 140 dollars while the d14 is 80 bucks
July 31, 2012 2:23:11 PM

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let's game (SLi capable):

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$229 ($214)

MBD: ASUS P8Z77-V PRO
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$199.99

HSF: COOLER MASTER Hyper Evo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$34.99

RAM: Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 8GB (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model 997043
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$54.99

GPU: (SLi) EVGA 02G-P4-2678-KR GeForce GTX 670 FTW 2GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$819.98

SSD: Crucial M4 CT128M4SSD2 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$89.99

HDD: Seagate Barracuda ST500DM002 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$74.99

DVD: ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$19.99

PSU: OCZ ZT Series 750W Fully-Modular 80PLUS Bronze
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$89.99

CSE: Corsair Carbide Series 300R
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$74.99 - $59.99 after mail-in rebate card

FAN: 2 x 140mm - XIGMATEK Cooling System XLF XLF-F1454 /
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$17.98

SND: Logitech S-220 17 Watts 2.1 Multimedia Speaker System - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$29.99

KBD: Logitech G110 Black USB Wired LED Backlighting Gaming Keyboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$69.99

OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$139.99

$1823.89


you do know that many people are having problems with the loud fan on the zt750w right?
July 31, 2012 2:30:52 PM

TheBigTroll said:
triple channel memory doesnt work well. either you get 8gb or 16gb

liquid cooling isnt really worth it unless you are over 2 120mm rads. h100+ 2 nf-f12 fans rack you up 140 dollars while the d14 is 80 bucks


I actually think I meant the D14 and not the F12. Forgot to proof read. I think I will just go with the D14 because it does seem like it can really cool your CPU down with the 6 inches of fans ;) 
July 31, 2012 2:31:15 PM

just remember it will dwarf any atx board
July 31, 2012 2:38:24 PM

TheBigTroll said:
just remember it will dwarf any atx board


Ok I fixed the config so now it has a NH-D14 and 8GB of ram, and thanks for telling me that Triple Channels doesn't work well so I don't accidentally buy 4GB more of RAM :) 

The D14 is going to fit thought right?

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/duGp

EDIT: The H100 had number (90.2 I believe) and the D14 has (65.0), what is the difference with that number, does a lower number mean less cooling power?
July 31, 2012 2:43:37 PM

Flizzelz said:
Ok I fixed the config so now it has a NH-D14 and 8GB of ram, and thanks for telling me that Triple Channels doesn't work well so I don't accidentally buy 4GB more of RAM :) 

The D14 is going to fit thought right?

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/duGp

EDIT: The H100 had number (90.2 I believe) and the D14 has (65.0), what is the difference with that number, does a lower number mean less cooling power?


Yes it will fit, although you will probably $#%$ a brick when you see it. The H100 is about...3c cooler than air cooling. You also run the risk of something breaking or worse leaking. If this happens your looking at hardware damage. If the DH-14 breaks...well...lets face it if the DH-14 breaks then you took a hammer to your computer, and you have many many many more issues than a broken computer... :pt1cable: 
July 31, 2012 2:44:59 PM

DarkOutlaw said:
Yes it will fit, although you will probably $#%$ a brick when you see it. The H100 is about...3c cooler than air cooling. You also run the risk of something breaking or worse leaking. If this happens your looking at hardware damage. If the DH-14 breaks...well...lets face it if the DH-14 breaks then you took a hammer to your computer, and you have many many many more issues than a broken computer... :pt1cable: 


Yeah leaking would be really bad with liquid cooling and I definitely don't want that. But what do you mean when you say that if the DH-14 breaks I will be taking a hammer to my computer. You mean if it falls out of its place? :p 
July 31, 2012 2:47:22 PM

keep in mind that the h100 sounds like jet engines

they cool about the same. i bought a d14 since it was 40 bucks. the mounting is easy and pretty secure
July 31, 2012 2:54:20 PM

TheBigTroll said:
keep in mind that the h100 sounds like jet engines

they cool about the same. i bought a d14 since it was 40 bucks. the mounting is easy and pretty secure


Ok, now I feel confident about the D14's :p 

And thanks for saving me $200 :) 
July 31, 2012 2:58:45 PM

TheBigTroll said:
no problem.


So otherwise my computer is good to go?
July 31, 2012 2:59:47 PM

Flizzelz said:
Yeah leaking would be really bad with liquid cooling and I definitely don't want that. But what do you mean when you say that if the DH-14 breaks I will be taking a hammer to my computer. You mean if it falls out of its place? :p 


Not even. The DH-14 cant break unless you physically beat on it.

TheBigTroll said:
keep in mind that the h100 sounds like jet engines

they cool about the same. i bought a d14 since it was 40 bucks. the mounting is easy and pretty secure


Yes, the H100, DH14, and Hyper 212 Evo all cool at nearly the same temps. The only real difference in the DH14 and 212 is the price. Any of these coolers will get you the same overclock with identical temps across the board. It mostly comes down to personal preference. I personally wanted to pay $20 instead of alot more for a part that is of the same quality and do the same job. I used the extra money to get a ssd. :D 

July 31, 2012 3:00:04 PM

Flizzelz said:
So otherwise my computer is good to go?


Yessir, good luck!
July 31, 2012 3:00:56 PM

DarkOutlaw said:
Not even. The DH-14 cant break unless you physically beat on it.



Yes, the H100, DH14, and Hyper 212 Evo all cool at nearly the same temps. The only real difference in the DH14 and 212 is the price. Any of these coolers will get you the same overclock with identical temps across the board. It mostly comes down to personal preference. I personally wanted to pay $20 instead of alot more for a part that is of the same quality and do the same job. I used the extra money to get a ssd. :D 


Great thanks :) 
July 31, 2012 3:09:25 PM

lets see the specs once more to be sure
July 31, 2012 3:21:30 PM

get what i suggested instead.

1: the 5 year warranty on wd drives isnt worth 100 dollars. a seagate 2tb is only 109.99
2: there isnt any advantage of 1866mhz memory. get regular 1600mhz ram like i suggested
3: there are cheaper crucial m4 256gb drives. the one i suggested is in my current rig and it is great
4: get asus 670s. better cooling (much better). you only need 1 for 1080p gaming
5:like i suggested, the xfx xxx 750w is cheaper and just as good
July 31, 2012 3:48:20 PM

TheBigTroll said:
get what i suggested instead.

1: the 5 year warranty on wd drives isnt worth 100 dollars. a seagate 2tb is only 109.99
2: there isnt any advantage of 1866mhz memory. get regular 1600mhz ram like i suggested
3: there are cheaper crucial m4 256gb drives. the one i suggested is in my current rig and it is great
4: get asus 670s. better cooling (much better). you only need 1 for 1080p gaming
5:like i suggested, the xfx xxx 750w is cheaper and just as good


1: Since the WD Drive is $169 I was looking at the Seagate 3TB drives and found this for the same price: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682... Thoughts?
2: Can do.
3:I think I will stick with the M4's. I am really bad at finding hard drives that are good/bad and a bunch of people recommend the M4s.
4: I think I am just going to stick with the EVGAs, they also come with a awesome program that always shows your temperatures, fps, etc in games.
5: Is 750W even enough for my PC? The EVGA website says that one GTX 670 requires a computer with at least a 500W power supply and I will be having two, as well as over clocking my CPU, etc.

EVGA: http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=02G-P4-267...
ASUS: http://www.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/NVIDIA_Series/GTX670...
July 31, 2012 3:59:54 PM

the 670 draws around 180w at full load with a large overclock
July 31, 2012 3:59:59 PM

750w is for the entire system + 2 gpus. its more than enough

do you really need that much storage? if you do, the 3tb is ok then

you can download the evga program for the asus cards. they all work. i dont know why you would pay evga for 10c higher temps

m4s are good all around but the chronos deluxe is rated higher than the m4 in tomshardware.com's SSD recomendations. plus the chronos deluxe is using toggle nand, the best stuff on the consumer market
July 31, 2012 4:21:53 PM

TheBigTroll said:
750w is for the entire system + 2 gpus. its more than enough

do you really need that much storage? if you do, the 3tb is ok then

you can download the evga program for the asus cards. they all work. i dont know why you would pay evga for 10c higher temps

m4s are good all around but the chronos deluxe is rated higher than the m4 in tomshardware.com's SSD recomendations. plus the chronos deluxe is using toggle nand, the best stuff on the consumer market


This is what I am going with: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/dvl5

1: I am sticking with EVGA because I just like the sound of the all of the things they offer.
2: I didn't go with the XFX PSU because there weren't any modular options that I could see and I don't want my case to get filled with a bunch of unnecessary cables.

EDIT: I am not sure whether I want to go with the Mushkin or the Crucial I will make my decision when the time comes to buy.

Thanks for your help you are an amazing person :D 
July 31, 2012 6:06:33 PM

are you serious? the xfx xxx 750w is modular. only the 24pin, a 4+4 pin, a 8 pin CPU, and 2 6+2pin PCI-E power plugs are attached. all you need to do is add a sata plug and you are good to go and get your system running

are you sure that you dont want your GPU to run 10 or more degrees cooler for the same price? if you dont, go ahead with the EVGA. otherwise, the asus has more to offer. keep in mind that asus are often capable of overclocking well beyond 1100mhz nicely by itself (top edition0
July 31, 2012 6:10:56 PM

The TOP edition is 3 slots, so if he ever CF/SLId, he'd have space issues.
July 31, 2012 6:13:46 PM

the 680 is triple slot
July 31, 2012 6:14:22 PM

its dual slot bro
July 31, 2012 6:39:46 PM

I looked at a review and it said it was triple slot.
July 31, 2012 7:03:57 PM

azeem40 is right I compared the dimensions of the Asus dc2t and the Evga ftw and i have the Evga ftw which is a dual slot card. the Asus dc2t is about an inch thicker making it a triple slot card.
July 31, 2012 7:06:26 PM

TheBigTroll said:
are you serious? the xfx xxx 750w is modular. only the 24pin, a 4+4 pin, a 8 pin CPU, and 2 6+2pin PCI-E power plugs are attached. all you need to do is add a sata plug and you are good to go and get your system running

are you sure that you dont want your GPU to run 10 or more degrees cooler for the same price? if you dont, go ahead with the EVGA. otherwise, the asus has more to offer. keep in mind that asus are often capable of overclocking well beyond 1100mhz nicely by itself (top edition0


Mmmm... Not sure I could go with ASUS. It does have higher clock speeds by default. What model should I go with?

And thanks for telling me what cables are already in the PSU. That helps. I get that instead of the Corsair one.

Thanks.
July 31, 2012 7:11:24 PM

I have an Evga 670 ftw and it works great it is about the same preformance of a 680 uses less power and has a full length pcb for better cooling. I haven't overclocked yet but is factory overclocked don't know much it can go. I actually can't see why too much overclocking would be needed since one is pretty good two is a bit on the overkill side for me at least,
July 31, 2012 7:15:07 PM

emperor piehead said:
I have an Evga 670 ftw and it works great it is about the same preformance of a 680 uses less power and has a full length pcb for better cooling. I haven't overclocked yet but is factory overclocked don't know much it can go. I actually can't see why too much overclocking would be needed since one is pretty good two is a bit on the overkill side for me at least,


Yeah the 670 is amazing, especially when you start doing SLI. Two ways SLI the performance is doubled and three way its tripled you can get 200FPS on the highest settings at 1080p in BF3. :) 
July 31, 2012 7:17:35 PM

the Asus DC2T has been out of stock for several weeks execept for some small numbers everyone else is jacking the price up to $500 that I have seen.

edit:Yeah i wish i had the money to that kind of level of graphics but i will stick to one grapchics card for now.
July 31, 2012 7:23:10 PM

emperor piehead said:
the Asus DC2T has been out of stock for several weeks execept for some small numbers everyone else is jacking the price up to $500 that I have seen.

edit:Yeah i wish i had the money to that kind of level of graphics but i will stick to one grapchics card for now.


Yeah for me the EVGA is a really good company, however the ASUS cards have a higher default clock yet they are more expensive.

And one GTX 670 still gives you amazing performance. :) 
July 31, 2012 7:26:49 PM

Like i said good luck finding an Asus DC2T at a good price. I read a couple reviews on it when i was building my new computer and some said the card was at such a heavy overclock sometimes it came unstable?
July 31, 2012 7:31:48 PM

emperor piehead said:
Like i said good luck finding an Asus DC2T at a good price. I read a couple reviews on it when i was building my new computer and some said the card was at such a heavy overclock sometimes it came unstable?


You are right, I just search "asus gtx 670 unstable" in google and I am getting a bunch of posts that their card can be unstable after playing games for too long...

I am really on the line here with EVGA and ASUS but even though it has higher temperatures which is not a big deal I don't mind a little bit higher temperatures I would rather have an out of the box stable card than a card that has a high change of not even working...
July 31, 2012 7:39:56 PM

if you really want power there is a 2.5 slot card
zotac gtx 670 amp edition newegg does not sell it :( 
1098mhz base clock
1176mhz boost clock
It is more powerful than Asus although they say the fan is a bit louder if it matters.
July 31, 2012 8:13:20 PM

emperor piehead said:
if you really want power there is a 2.5 slot card
zotac gtx 670 amp edition newegg does not sell it :( 
1098mhz base clock
1176mhz boost clock
It is more powerful than Asus although they say the fan is a bit louder if it matters.


Thanks. But I think I am just going to go with the EVGA GTX 670 FTW because the ASUS card can be unstable and that card is double what the ASUS has. But man that really is power :o 
July 31, 2012 9:21:37 PM

the asus top edition is having problems with its v-bios. asus sent a fix. im guessing they arent avaliable since asus is stalling so that they can fix the problem and then send the cards out

you could get the regular asus 670 and the cooler would still beat the ftw. its up to you to decide though

the amp edition isnt all that great since there isnt too much OC headroom left on that card

you can read all about toms 670 roundup if you would like
July 31, 2012 9:24:03 PM

TheBigTroll said:
the asus top edition is having problems with its v-bios. asus sent a fix. im guessing they arent avaliable since asus is stalling so that they can fix the problem and then send the cards out

you could get the regular asus 670 and the cooler would still beat the ftw. its up to you to decide though

the amp edition isnt all that great since there isnt too much OC headroom left on that card

you can read all about toms 670 roundup if you would like


That would be interesting yeah thanks
July 31, 2012 9:24:42 PM

@azeem40: toms reviewed it and it was a dual slot.

in canada, we have a galaxy gs gtx670 and it is basically identical to the ftw but we can get it for cheaper (usually around 399.99 although ive seen it sell for 379.99 after MIR)
July 31, 2012 9:29:40 PM

TheBigTroll said:
@azeem40: toms reviewed it and it was a dual slot.

in canada, we have a galaxy gs gtx670 and it is basically identical to the ftw but we can get it for cheaper (usually around 399.99 although ive seen it sell for 379.99 after MIR)


I live about an hour away from you xD

But I am looking at the GALAXY one right now...
July 31, 2012 9:36:04 PM

Flizzelz said:
I live about an hour away from you xD

But I am looking at the GALAXY one right now...


wait what? your in toronto?

July 31, 2012 9:44:54 PM

i was kinda talking to Flizzelz but still works. you can probably go to ncix warehouse sales. they sell open box stuff but they test everything out before re-selling stuff. you can probably get a gtx670 open box for like 250 dollars or so. they do one once in a while. all you need to do is drive for 2.5hrs....
July 31, 2012 9:51:20 PM

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I'm a Buffalo NY'r and often in Toronto...
it pains me to say that the Canada side of Niagara Falls is better than the US side....
you hosers..
:p 


Canadian Falls: :bounce:  :hello:  :pt1cable:  :sol: 

American Falls: :pfff:  :sleep:  :cry:  :??:  :( 
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