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July 31, 2012 8:37:31 PM

Ok after much research this will be the computer I will build with minor changes depending on when I build it (Octoberish). I have decided to build it myself since I can save approximately $300 pre-taxes/shipping. This will be my first build since 2004 and wow have things changed a bit since then!

I plan on using the computer for about 75% gaming (Skyrim, D3, GW2, BF3), 20% digital photography editing in photoshop lightroom, and the remaining 5% web applications and music listening.

Any recommendations on the build?

Cooler Master HAF 932 Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Intel i5 3570K CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Phanteks PH-TC14PE CPU Cooler: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS Sabertooth Z77 Motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Kingston HyperX 8GB Ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

EVGA Geforce 670GTX FTW GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SSD (will change depending on order date): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Seagate 1TB Hard Drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Corsair TX750 PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS 24x DVD Burner: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Rosewill Card Reader: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS Xonar DX Sound Card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Windows 7 Pro (Is it worth it)
24" LED LCD Monitor (plan to run dual in the future)
Accessories are picked out for the most part

Thanks!

Vince

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July 31, 2012 8:51:18 PM

Windows 7 Pro is only worth it if you need more than 16GB of RAM. For gaming you won't.

You can drop the sound card as it isn't needed, that card reader is crap (if you must, get this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...),

I also wouldn't pay the money for the Asus Sabertooth. You're overpaying for nothing really more than plastic covers. This motherboard is $70 cheaper and has tons of extra features: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

And then get this for your SSD - the Corsair GT uses a Sandforce controller. You're better off getting a Marvell drive like this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

And then get the Noctua D14 over that Phanteks, it has better reviews and won more awards: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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July 31, 2012 8:52:48 PM

Here's my base recommendation...

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($132.86 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($40.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($102.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Crucial M4 128GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($109.00 @ B&H)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card ($404.98 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 932 Advanced ATX Full Tower Case ($159.45 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair 750W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($105.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($24.98 @ Newegg)
Total: $1301.21
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-07-31 16:52 EDT-0400)

You're more than welcome to add whatever accessories you plan on buying in there.

You won't need Windows 7 Pro. It's a waste. Just get the 64 bit home premium edition. You also won't need that CPU cooler. You can actually get about the same performance and save cash by going with the hyper 212 evo instead. Or you can do as g unit suggested and go with the noctua. It performs extremely well.

If you have anymore questions, feel free to ask.
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July 31, 2012 8:54:07 PM

Asking for recommendations now for a purchase in October may be of limited value, with the changes that will likely have taken place. Prices could be very different for a lot of things.
In general though:
1. That $90 cooler seems unlikely to me to be worth the price. IB has trouble getting heat from the chip itself to the heat spreader. I suspect something like a Xigmatek Gaia for around $30 would be sufficient.
2. I always recommend against anything from Crappermaster. The company has been proven in competent technical reviews of some products to be not merely careless or guilty of exaggeration, but to be willfully dishonest. A rational individual does not support dishonesty, regardless of the quality of other products.
Many companies exaggerate, or offer best-case scenarios that are unrealistic at best, but claiming protection circuits that are in fact missing is an outright lie. Here are some sample links:
LL=Liar Label, MC=Missing Circuits

1. LL: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/art [...] ew/1550/11
2. MC: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/art [...] iew/1184/9
3. LL AND MC: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/art [...] iew/1005/9
4. LL: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/art [...] iew/1034/9
5. LL: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/art [...] view/969/9

...I think that's enough. These aren't dings for poor quality, but for dishonesty. Many others get dinged for quality; my favorite is probably the remark in HardOCP's review of the GX-650 calling it a "polished turd in a box."
So anyway, there you have it; a company which should not be supported, regardless of the quality of its other products. And get this, it gets worse. Having been called on it, they're going to pull them from the North American market and foist them off elsewhere. This per Gabriel Torres: "I had a meeting with them during Computex and, according to them, they are removing all power supplies with fake wattage from the North American market (and dumping them somewhere else)."
So, instead of Crappermaster, check out Rosewill, Silverstone, Antec, or Lian Li for cases.
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July 31, 2012 8:55:47 PM

You could save a lot of money and still get the same performance. Here's a round up, the Asus boards are terrible for the performance/price offered.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/z77-extreme6-z77a-g...
Performing and overclocking only as good as a $160 for about $50 more.

The cooler is also overkill even for overclocking. I'd say the EVGA Superclock is already pretty good cooler or this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Check out my $1100 build here:
http://www.squidoo.com/electronicandmore
You could switch the 7950 for the GTX 670, ultimately your choice. Should save you money but give you performance that is equivalent for less. As for teh Sound card, I don't think you'll need it honestly. MB sound is pretty good nowadays so... It'll really be only a slight difference. I mainly use a headset so it's never an issue.
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July 31, 2012 8:56:36 PM

Hmm by October the scene could be rather different with GTX 660Ti, AM3+ Piledrivers and what not ^^ Also for audio : are you feeding powered speakers via analog or feeding a digital receiver?
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July 31, 2012 8:59:53 PM

Don't start with that Coolemaster rubbish again. The make some of the best cases in the business. Get over yourself.
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July 31, 2012 9:02:40 PM

^+1

The Cooler Master Products have gotten better. Maybe you'd know if you've used them. The Cooler Master Silent Pro series is a solid PSU series. Using the 700w version right now. Downright silent and good steady energy coming out of it. Plus many reviewers praise the Silent Pro series besides the price. The CM Scout has been one of the best cases out there for the money, and the newer 922 and 932 are pretty sweet as well.
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July 31, 2012 9:03:15 PM

batuchka said:
Hmm by October the scene could be rather different with GTX 660Ti, AM3+ Piledrivers and what not ^^ Also for audio : are you feeding powered speakers via analog or feeding a digital receiver?


If Piledriver is going to use AM3+ (I've heard it won't) then it isn't worth waiting for. AM3/AM3+ has been around so long now and it's so old that new CPUs can't keep up with it. If AMD wants to stay competitive with Intel then they need to ditch AM3.
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July 31, 2012 9:06:34 PM

Smeg45 said:
Don't start with that Coolemaster rubbish again. The make some of the best cases in the business. Get over yourself.

I don't care if their cases are made of mithril. The company is willfully dishonest, and does not merit the support of any rational individual; that's how dishonesty flourishes.
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July 31, 2012 9:07:38 PM

g-unit1111 said:
If Piledriver is going to use AM3+ (I've heard it won't) then it isn't worth waiting for. AM3/AM3+ has been around so long now and it's so old that new CPUs can't keep up with it. If AMD wants to stay competitive with Intel then they need to ditch AM3.


It is AM3+ socket
http://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/41801-amd-fx-8350-piledr...
for new buyers even this is irrelevant - what matters is what sort of price/performance these incoming chips get the end users. If it creeps closer to Ivy yet asks around the same price for its current Bulldozer line up could be a home run
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July 31, 2012 9:14:06 PM

Onus said:
I don't care if their cases are made of mithril. The company is willfully dishonest, and does not merit the support of any rational individual; that's how dishonesty flourishes.


And other companies aren't dishonest?

It's the ways of marketing and business; deal with it. If someone offers a superior product for much less, I'm pretty much buying it no questions asked. I couldn't care less about their other affairs.
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July 31, 2012 9:21:18 PM

Thanks everyone for the replies already! I have taken many of them into consideration:

I will be overclocking he cpu, but not to the extent as some...probably around 4.2-4.6ghz. If I don't need that large HSF I will save my money and get something like the CM 212. Also, the HAF 932 case was mainly chosen because it is wider and would be able to fit the Noctua inside, although that case is still nice and may decide to hang onto it.

I did recently hear that the 1.65v ram isn't very good with intel processors, so I will pick some 1.5v stuff out instead, like the G.skills recommended.

That is surprising news about the sound card since I have always had one in my systems and could notice the difference, but my last system was built around 2006-07. I will be using a 3.5mm headset when gaming and will have a 2.1 system for movies/music: http://www.amazon.com/Cyber-Acoustics-Subwoofer-Satelli...

And yes Oct is just an estimate, I will be slowly ordering the accessories now and then begin ordering the hardware, but have some other matters to take care of first before I start with that large order.

I will swap out that MB, gigabyte was my 2nd choice.
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July 31, 2012 9:25:06 PM

batuchka said:
It is AM3+ socket
http://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/41801-amd-fx-8350-piledr...
for new buyers even this is irrelevant - what matters is what sort of price/performance these incoming chips get the end users. If it creeps closer to Ivy yet asks around the same price for its current Bulldozer line up could be a home run


That's a mighty big *IF* there - the key is if it's going to rely on the operating system as much as Bulldozer/FX has.

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I did recently hear that the 1.65v ram isn't very good with intel processors, so I will pick some 1.5v stuff out instead, like the G.skills recommended.


Yes, go with something like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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That is surprising news about the sound card since I have always had one in my systems and could notice the difference, but my last system was built around 2006-07. I will be using a 3.5mm headset when gaming and will have a 2.1 system for movies/music: http://www.amazon.com/Cyber-Acoust [...] _e_title_2


Yeah a sound card is only needed if you're hooking up to a digital / analog receiver or using something greater than 5.1. Otherwise the built in sound will work fine. It's been greatly improved since 2006.

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And yes Oct is just an estimate, I will be slowly ordering the accessories now and then begin ordering the hardware, but have some other matters to take care of first before I start with that large order.


It's better to order everything at once so that way you have a good idea when you assemble it if something works or it doesn't.
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July 31, 2012 9:39:48 PM

Yep then the headset will be fine.

Heat generated by the Ivy Bridge chips, I'd try to go for at least the Hyper 612 for the cooler honestly. 4.5ghz would be the 612, but the 4.2GHZ mark the Hyper 212+ or Evo could probably handle.

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July 31, 2012 9:41:29 PM

DeusAres said:
Here's my base recommendation...
. . .

CPU: Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Microcenter)
. . .
Motherboard: ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($132.86 @ Newegg)
. . .


There is a combo deal in microcenter - 3570K along with ASRock Z77 Extreme4 board gives you an extra 50$ off and takes the price of motherboard down to 85 bucks

Sounds like sweat deal to me :) 
I just started similar thread, but with smaller budget - Little @$$ gaming computer and 3570K CPU is on of the options
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July 31, 2012 10:50:48 PM

I'd recommend the HAF X or the HAF XM if you have less room.
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August 1, 2012 1:45:11 PM

I have a few more questions:

I was thinking about getting this board based on the recommendations above: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Will this board support DDR3 1866mhz ram? The only reason I ask is I am getting some from a friend who doesn't need it and can get it cheaper then the 1600mhz from the store. The board says it supports this: DDR3 2400(OC)/1600/1333/1066, but I assume it will be fine since it supports 2400?

Do you think this ram http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... will fit underneath this HSF? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
The ram is 1 5/8 inches pins to top of heatsink.

USB 3.0: Is this backwards compatible with 2.0?

Then my internet connection: I am currently running 1.0-1.5Mbps and I run only netflix through it and web browsing. What will I need for gaming? Keep in mind these are my choices/prices affiliated:

1 Mbps - 1.5 Mbps......$52.95/month
2 Mbps - 3 Mbps............$55.95/month
4 Mbps - 5 Mbps............$60.95/month
7 Mbps - 10 Mbps..........$70.95/month
15 Mbps - 20 Mbps........$78.95/month

Headsets: I am stumped on what to get, have a few I am looking at, don't want to spend over $100 and I will have the 2.1 speaker system for movies/music. Here is what I have found so far to appeal to me: http://www.amazon.com/Plantronics-GameCom777-Gaming-Hea... or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Also If I get this 2.1 system, will I need a sound card?
http://www.amazon.com/Klipsch-ProMedia-Certified-Comput...


Thanks for the help!
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August 1, 2012 6:57:49 PM

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I was thinking about getting this board based on the recommendations above: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813128545
Will this board support DDR3 1866mhz ram? The only reason I ask is I am getting some from a friend who doesn't need it and can get it cheaper then the 1600mhz from the store. The board says it supports this: DDR3 2400(OC)/1600/1333/1066, but I assume it will be fine since it supports 2400?


Yes but it's incredibly pointless to use anything above 1600MHz. By default your motherboard will run the lowest speeds and timings it can handle. Overclocking your RAM has the potential to lead to serious system instability and Intel and even Gigabyte will void your warranty if they find you've been doing so.

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Do you think this ram http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820231456 will fit underneath this HSF? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] yper%20612
The ram is 1 5/8 inches pins to top of heatsink.


No. It's better to get this RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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USB 3.0: Is this backwards compatible with 2.0?


USB 3.0 will run devices for USB 2.0 but not the other way around.

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Also If I get this 2.1 system, will I need a sound card?
http://www.amazon.com/Klipsch-ProM [...] omedia+2.1


No - sound cards are unnecessary for 2.1 systems, you don't need them. Put the money you'd be spending on a sound card elsewhere.

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Headsets: I am stumped on what to get, have a few I am looking at, don't want to spend over $100 and I will have the 2.1 speaker system for movies/music. Here is what I have found so far to appeal to me: http://www.amazon.com/Plantronics- [...] pd_cp_pc_2 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6826249036


I wouldn't worry about a headset now - you can always add one later when you get your build up and running. Don't include expensive peripherals in your budget if it means cutting corners on crucial parts of the build.
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August 1, 2012 8:23:02 PM

Awesome thanks g-unit!

Anyone have an idea about the internet bandwidth?
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August 1, 2012 8:32:29 PM

I say you'd be ok with the 7-10Mbps package. I have a 512 kb/s connection. Most games I play lag a little. So you'd be fine with anything in the 7-20Mbps range.
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August 1, 2012 8:33:57 PM

vlanctot said:
Awesome thanks g-unit!

Anyone have an idea about the internet bandwidth?


That all depends on your ISP - are you using cable, DSL, FIOS/U-Verse?
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August 1, 2012 8:43:25 PM

DSL I believe. It's a glass encased fiber-optics line that runs directly into the house and they provide a modem (mounted outside the house) to convert the line into an ethernet, which is inside the house.

You might be able to get more information then I can, I am not as good with the networking stuff: http://home.runestone.net/rta/internet_service_options....
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August 1, 2012 8:49:13 PM

vlanctot said:
DSL I believe. It's a glass encased fiber-optics line that runs directly into the house and they provide a modem (mounted outside the house) to convert the line into an ethernet, which is inside the house.

You might be able to get more information then I can, I am not as good with the networking stuff: http://home.runestone.net/rta/internet_service_options....


The 7 / 10MPS will give you equivalent speeds of a cable / T1 line.
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August 1, 2012 8:51:06 PM

Thanks for the answers! Mods can close thread.
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August 1, 2012 8:52:07 PM

Best answer selected by vlanctot.
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