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June 12, 2012 4:46:10 PM

http://videocardz.com/32476/geforce-gtx-660-ti-and-gtx-...

I am putting together a new rig with 3570k and need a good video card to play at 1080p on a 32" lcd that will last me 2-3 years. So far I am looking at 7870, however the extra $50 for the 670 looks to be worth it for the better performance. Still the 670 might be a too much if I will upgrade in 2-3 years anyway. Than there is the 660 Ti, which will come in around 250 - 300, with only 1.5 gb vram it looks like it will perform in between the 7850 and 7870. Do you think that the 660 will offer enough performance for next 2 - 3 years?

Also my rig will be up and running in the next 2 weeks, and I don't think I will wait any longer than the end of June to start gaming.

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a b U Graphics card
June 12, 2012 5:03:57 PM

670 is the sweetest spot IMO.
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a c 620 U Graphics card
June 12, 2012 5:22:08 PM

Your resolution is not demanding, so 1.5 GB of Vram should be fine for a few years. I would wait a couple weeks until the GTX 660 is released.
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a b U Graphics card
June 12, 2012 5:40:11 PM

I was have always stayed from 3rd tier crippled cards. Also I really don't see those cards starting at less than $299 (its still uses the original 680 die, and nvidia inst exactly making bank on those due to poor yields). 192 bit memory bandwidth and 1.5gb of ram are also not very high end. Performance should be around the same as 7870. So you can buy a 3rd tier crippled card, or a fully functional one...

If you are a mainstream buyer like me, I would wait for the regualr 660 which will be the top end of the if new mind range card, priced around $250 and competing with the 7850.
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June 12, 2012 5:45:59 PM

The GTX 670 is going to be the best bang for the buck, especially since it can easily achieve GTX 680 speeds due to Nvidia doing TOO good a job on the 670. Also the 670 will draw less power than the 7870 while being quieter as well, and in the end that translates to savings on your power bills.
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June 12, 2012 5:48:31 PM

Why not nab a 670 and NOT possibly have to upgrade in 2 years.. I can play BF3 MSAA x4 1080p with everything cranked up to max and im over 60FPS nearly 100% of the time. A quick bump to the core frequency and next thing you know, your exceeding that of a stock 680 with temps BELOW 75C max load.

Its cool, quite, and preforms like no other single card solution Ive ever owned. Usually, top end preformance comes at a price. Either HEAT or Noise. Not any more ;) 
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June 12, 2012 7:34:09 PM

vilenjan said:
I was have always stayed from 3rd tier crippled cards. Also I really don't see those cards starting at less than $299 (its still uses the original 680 die, and nvidia inst exactly making bank on those due to poor yields). 192 bit memory bandwidth and 1.5gb of ram are also not very high end. Performance should be around the same as 7870. So you can buy a 3rd tier crippled card, or a fully functional one...

If you are a mainstream buyer like me, I would wait for the regualr 660 which will be the top end of the if new mind range card, priced around $250 and competing with the 7850.


What do you mean by 3rd tier crippled card? You mean the striped down version of the gk 104? Isn't that what they are using the 660? or do you mean the 660 Ti will use striped down gk 104 and the 660 will use a new (top end of mid range) gk?
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June 12, 2012 7:40:03 PM

I don't see how the 660 can compete with 7850/70 unless its under $300. The only way is if it is better or equal than the 7870 which I don't see happening, as the 7870 has 256 bus and 2gb ram.
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June 12, 2012 8:28:58 PM

S0L0 said:
I don't see how the 660 can compete with 7850/70 unless its under $300. The only way is if it is better or equal than the 7870 which I don't see happening, as the 7870 has 256 bus and 2gb ram.

So far the Nvidia counterpart has been faster than the AMD counterpart throughout this latest generation. I would not be the least bit surprised if the 3rd level Nvidia card beats the 3rd level AMD card handily and does it for less money with less power consumption.

Here's some recent news about the GTX 660 (so far, there is no "Ti" version) coming out on June 25th:
http://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-660-images-leake...

The flipside is that it may possibly be delayed until later in the summer:
http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/faith/h...

Ultimately, coughing up the extra $50 for a GTX 670 seems to be the way to go. You will also get access to Nvidia exclusives like PhysX, Adaptive VSync, FXAA, and Geforce Experience.
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a c 229 U Graphics card
June 12, 2012 8:54:57 PM

The 7850's ($260) performance falls right in between the 900 Mhz 560 Ti ($210) and the reference 560 Ti ($200). Even tho the 900Mhz if already factory overclocked, the ones with a modified PCB, improved cooler and beefed up VRM can go another 20%....as high as 1070 Mhz.

http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=1201&page=17
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Take a look over at the Steam site (GFX Card Survey) and you will see based upon what's hitting their servers, there's twice as many 560's out there than all 6xxx series cards put together.....by a factor of 2 so it has been fabulously received.

The allure of the non reference 560 Ti was the fact that two of them costing $420 toasted the $500 flagship 580...... so ya got a real whopping 40% performance increase performance increase for less than 85% of the price ..... no brainer .... sure twin 580s were faster .... but only 10% faster for 2.5 times the price.

Big question is ..... can the660 Ti match its success ? We simply don't know.... Right now the best bang for the buck over $150 is the 670, especially the Asus DCII Cu TOP version.

Guru3D uses the following games in their test suite: Hard Reset, COD-MW2, Far Cry 2, ANNO 1404, Metro 2033, ANNO 2070, BFBC2, BF3, Crysis 2, AvP, Lost Planet 2. Total fps (summing fps in each game @ 1920 x 1200) for the various options in parenthesis (single card / SL or CF) are tabulated below along with their cost in dollars per frame single card - CF or SLI:


Card - Cost ( Single / 2-way SLI /CF ) $ / Frame - $ / Frame SLI/CF
GTX 680 - $ 500 ( 989 / 1578 ) $ 0.51 - $ 0.63
680 DCII Cu TOP - $ 520 ( 1077 / NA ) $ 0.48 - ERR
GTX 670 - $ 400 ( 917 / 1539 ) $ 0.44 - $ 0.52
670 DCII Cu TOP - $ 430 ( 999 / 1679 ) $ 0.43 - $ 0.51
7970 - $ 480 ( 872 / NA ) $ 0.55 - ERR
7970 DCII Cu - $ 580 ( 924 / NA ) $ 0.63 - ERR
7950 - $ 400 ( 746 / NA ) $ 0.54 - ERR
7870 - $ 360 ( 701 / NA ) $ 0.51 - ERR
7850 - $ 260 ( 596 / NA ) $ 0.44 - ERR
7770 - $ 150 ( 375 / NA ) $ 0.40 - ERR
7750 - $ 110 ( 291 / NA ) $ 0.38 - ERR

In the table above for example, the Asus 670 Cu DCII TOP costs $430 each and gets 999 fps in single card configuration at a cost of $0.43 per frame and 1679 in SLI at a cost of $0.51 per frame. The AMD cards w/ NA did not complete all games in the test suite. This should be resolved in an upcoming driver fix. The nVidia card w/ NA was not tested in SLI.


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a b U Graphics card
June 12, 2012 8:58:08 PM

670 is the better card between the two. but since the 660 ti isn't out yet, i can not comment on the performance and info about it
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a b U Graphics card
June 12, 2012 9:04:07 PM

Nvidia has been milking the 670 success as long as they can.
The 670 uses the same GPU as the 680 with only 7 of 8 processing modules active. The 670 gives 95% of the performance of the 680
The 660 is going to be a very competitive card if it is the same GPU as the 670/680 with 6 of 8 processing modules active. Once it comes out no one is going to be buying the 670. A $300 price tag seems reasonable. If they release it at $250-$275 it will absolutely gain marketshare faster than any other AMD or Nvidia GPU.
I'm guessing that is why it hasn't been released so that Nvidia can still sell their top tier cards.
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June 12, 2012 9:17:44 PM

S0L0 said:
I don't see how the 660 can compete with 7850/70 unless its under $300. The only way is if it is better or equal than the 7870 which I don't see happening, as the 7870 has 256 bus and 2gb ram.


The 7850's performance is roughly the same (356 vs 360 fps) as the 900Mhz 560 Ti in common games from Guru3D's 2011 game test suite....and the 900Mhz 560 Ti is $50 cheaper.....buy the right one and ya can hit 25 - 30% OC's once ya start tweaking it.

As for pricing .....

-The 680 is comparably priced to the 580

-The 670 is more expensive than the 570 but the 570 was a weak card with VRM issues and the 670 simply had no competition so I think it's artificially inflated.

-I think the 660 / 660 TI are going to hit the streets at about $200 - $250 and 675 fps in Guru3D test suite for the 660 and $250 - $300 for the Ti with about 775 fps in the test suite.



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a c 106 U Graphics card
June 12, 2012 9:53:47 PM

the 660 ti makes no sense at the price range of 250, at the minimum, the 660 will be 250. my guesses are going to be something like 660 ~270 and 660ti 330 at the moment. But if its to control market share, heck lower it =X
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a c 185 U Graphics card
June 12, 2012 10:08:56 PM

Lol...the 660 is not even out yet people who assume as to how they will preform bring nothing worth listening to IMO it's not based on facts or even reliable there are also a lot of rumors as to how they will preform but no solid proof or facts yet the gtx670 at this point and time is sweetest spot IMHO.
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a b U Graphics card
June 12, 2012 11:09:24 PM

Lets see... that can't be the 660...
1) It has support for Tri and Quad SLI. If Nvidia did that they'd never sell another GTX 670/680/690
2) It has a single 6-pin PCIe power connector near the SLI connectors... How on earth do you SLI that?

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June 12, 2012 11:14:19 PM

With your 3570k and 670 you can now save money you otherwise would spend on a psu. These days people buy 1200W PSUs for a gtx 580. This is ridiculous. Go with the 670. You want feel the need for dual gpus in a year as much as you would with a 7870.
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June 12, 2012 11:18:58 PM

If you want 3 years from a video card, buy the flagship. Get a 680, they are the best manufactured cards, they will be very reliable for a long time. I build about a computer a week, and I have to admit if people didn't keep saying "Well $800 is the absolute max" I wouldn't make as much money, as I charge per build, not the cost - and those people come back like 2 years later on the dot wanting a new computer. Spend $1500, you're good for 3 years, and you have a FAR superior gaming experience for right now
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June 12, 2012 11:56:03 PM

pacioli said:
Lets see... that can't be the 660...
1) It has support for Tri and Quad SLI. If Nvidia did that they'd never sell another GTX 670/680/690
2) It has a single 6-pin PCIe power connector near the SLI connectors... How on earth do you SLI that?
I will give you a hint think in terms of raw performance and best bang for buck in the $200.00 to $300.00 price range forget about $350 to $450 and up! :whistle: 
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June 13, 2012 12:34:17 AM

dkcomputer said:
If you want 3 years from a video card, buy the flagship. Get a 680, they are the best manufactured cards, they will be very reliable for a long time. I build about a computer a week, and I have to admit if people didn't keep saying "Well $800 is the absolute max" I wouldn't make as much money, as I charge per build, not the cost - and those people come back like 2 years later on the dot wanting a new computer. Spend $1500, you're good for 3 years, and you have a FAR superior gaming experience for right now


3 years might be pushing it, I would prefer a card that can do max settings at 1080p for 2 years without breaking my budget. But based on the specs of the 660, I'm not sure it will be able to push ultra settings at 1080 for next gen games. Battlefield 3 recommends a 560.

680 (4GB) would go four years, except that is way out of my budget.
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June 13, 2012 1:10:22 AM

JackNaylorPE said:

Big question is ..... can the660 Ti match its success ? We simply don't know.... Right now the best bang for the buck over $150 is the 670, especially the Asus DCII Cu TOP version.

In the table above for example, the Asus 670 Cu DCII TOP costs $430 each and gets 999 fps in single card configuration at a cost of $0.43 per frame and 1679 in SLI at a cost of $0.51 per frame. The AMD cards w/ NA did not complete all games in the test suite. This should be resolved in an upcoming driver fix. The nVidia card w/ NA was not tested in SLI.


How the DCII TOP stacks up against the Evga GTX 670 4GB Superclocked?

Is a 4GB 670 is better than a 2GB 680?

Also, where did you find the Asus 670 Cu DCII TOP for $430? Best on market now is $460, for $20 more you can get 4GB vram.
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a b U Graphics card
June 13, 2012 3:13:56 PM

S0L0 said:
How the DCII TOP stacks up against the Evga GTX 670 4GB Superclocked?

Is a 4GB 670 is better than a 2GB 680?

Also, where did you find the Asus 670 Cu DCII TOP for $430? Best on market now is $460, for $20 more you can get 4GB vram.


The reason you get a 4 Gb 670 is because you plan on a multimonitor rig or with resolutions greater than 1080P.

At 1080p the 4 gb and 2 gb versions of the card will offer the same performance.
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June 13, 2012 3:52:38 PM

Techpowerup shows the 7870 performing very well at 1080p, compared to the 660 with only 1.5GB I doubt it will be able to perform on par with 7870 at 1080p (outperform would be a far cry).

So far it looks like the Gigabyte GTX 670 is the way to go. My only quarrel with it is that it lacks AMD's ZeroCore power feature which is a bother because I leave my rig on all the time.

Does anyone know if OC'd videocards have shorter lifespan than stock ones?
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a b U Graphics card
June 13, 2012 4:55:30 PM

S0L0 said:
Techpowerup shows the 7870 performing very well at 1080p, compared to the 660 with only 1.5GB I doubt it will be able to perform on par with 7870 at 1080p (outperform would be a far cry).

So far it looks like the Gigabyte GTX 670 is the way to go. My only quarrel with it is that it lacks AMD's ZeroCore power feature which is a bother because I leave my rig on all the time.

Does anyone know if OC'd videocards have shorter lifespan than stock ones?


The amount of VRAM a card has doesn't mean anything in regards to performance.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
The card linked above has 2 Gb of VRAM... and costs $41.99. And is a big steaming pile of $@#& in terms of performance.

The GPU of a card is what matters most. If a card has at least 1.5 Gb of VRAM The VRAM will not be a bottleneck at 1080P.

You need more VRAM only if you are running a multi monitor rig or a monitor with resolution greater than 1080P.

The 660 Will perform close to what the 670 can do at $100 less. That will outperform 7870 by far.
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a b U Graphics card
June 13, 2012 5:02:35 PM

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Troll sent from above?

660 is not out...


No... It is using the same GPU as the 680/670 with 6 of 8 modules active... The 670 showed a 4.5% drop in performance using 7 of 8 modules. If the 660 is 10% less performance from the 680 it will still be extremely powerful.

It will likely outperform the 570s at stock and the 580s after an OC.

The 480 and the 570 perform similiarly. (You are the expert on that Recon) Look what Nvidia has done to the price of the 480s recently... They need to flush them from the market fast before the 660 comes out or people will really be perplexed as to why the 480 benches like a 660 at $90 less...
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a b U Graphics card
June 13, 2012 5:10:38 PM

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Was not talking about you pal ;) 

Was talking about this so called bench of a 7xxx vs 660.... i want in on it... as i cannot find one anywhere..


It's all conjecture at this point. I think Nvidia really knows what it is doing in terms of marketing. They essentially halted AMDs considerable advance of market share by paper releasing a couple of GPUs that outperformed the competition. Then they released the true value 670 that they are milking sales off of until they saturate that market. Once sales slow for the GTX 670 they will release the 660 and suck in all those that have been waiting.

I bought my 560 Ti the week it came out and have been loving it.

I think the OP just doesn't understand that more than 1.5Gb VRAM doesn't matter at 1080P.

10 years ago video card performance was rated by how much ram it had.

Even 5 years ago this was the case to some extent. Today... not so much.
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a b U Graphics card
June 13, 2012 5:18:33 PM

And the GTX 480 has 1.5 Gb VRAM...
So...
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a b U Graphics card
June 13, 2012 5:30:28 PM

@recon-uk,song name please(3:24).
and next time try some rap,something old skool like eazy e or tupac.
but i must say you have got a great taste in music ;) 
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June 13, 2012 5:33:34 PM

S0L0 said:
Techpowerup shows the 7870 performing very well at 1080p, compared to the 660 with only 1.5GB I doubt it will be able to perform on par with 7870 at 1080p (outperform would be a far cry).

So far it looks like the Gigabyte GTX 670 is the way to go. My only quarrel with it is that it lacks AMD's ZeroCore power feature which is a bother because I leave my rig on all the time.

Does anyone know if OC'd videocards have shorter lifespan than stock ones?

No one has definitively shown that an OC'ed card has a shorter lifespan. Most people will upgrade their video card long before an overclocked card reaches EOL.

The idle power difference shouldn't even be a factor:
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June 13, 2012 5:48:42 PM

Seems to me that the 670 might be overkill for 1080p, but it will definitely crush any game on ultra 1080p for the next 2-3 years. Unfortunately we can only speculate on the 660. My guess is that the 660Ti will be priced at $350 and 7870 will drop to $330. However the $50 more for a 670 might be worth the leap in performance though. There is no doubt the 660 will be able to handle current games at ultra 1080p, but I wouldn't count on it for next gen.
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a b U Graphics card
June 13, 2012 7:44:52 PM

The 660 has to be under $300 to make it marketable. Right now the GTX 570s cost $290 and the 660 has to at least match that price. $350 is too much. The traditional launch price of the GTX X60 cards is $250 like with the GTX 260, 460 and 560 Ti. I could see them keeping this price or going as high as $300 but $350 is too high when you can buy a 570 for $290.

The X60 series are always Nvidias best selling cards. Right now on Steam the 560 series is the most popular card with over twice the number of 560s than any other card.
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June 13, 2012 8:00:51 PM

I was referring to the GTX 660Ti.
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