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June 13, 2012 4:24:20 AM

Canadian Currency Only. Cheap rig built 2 years ago:

CPU: Athlon II X3 455 @ 3.93
Motherboard: MSI 870-G45
GPU: Radeon 5670 HD
PSU: Corsair TX650 (recently upgraded)
Resolution: 1680x1050 (not changing)
Budget: ($250 with tax and shipping)

Looking to purchase Gigabyte GeForce GTX 560 Ti That comes just under my max budget. I know my cpu is not the greatest but I am also leaving room to upgrade to a i5-3570k with a z77 motherboard. I will need the quad core because I edit photos and videos. Is it a good card to purchase at my resolution? I'm not looking to max out games but I would like to play battlefield 3 on high with at least 40 fps. I know it might be asking too much but can it keep playing games on high for at least 2 years with OC given I stay at same resolution?

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a c 99 U Graphics card
June 13, 2012 4:50:49 AM

Yes, it's a great card.
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June 13, 2012 5:13:26 AM

At that resolution, a 560ti or 6950 should be enough to get you 40 fps on high. See which one you can get for a better deal and it should last you for a couple of years.
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June 13, 2012 6:17:37 AM

loops said:
Not when a 7850 is in range:

http://ncix.com/products/?sku=69558&vpn=AX7850%202GBD5-...

the gpu ram on the 560 ti has issues w/ max AA in games like BF3 (large outdoor maps with mayhem of 64 ppl)


That looks like a nice deal, unfortunately it is out of my budget. I was thinking maybe it might be too much for this resolution as I'm not looking to max out games. If the 7850 is really worth it over the GTX 560 ti, I may consider just getting the CPU and MOBO upgrade first. By then I can save up more and maybe wait for nvidia's offering against the 7850. All I'm looking for is the best bang for buck that will play games on high for at least 2 years.
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a c 130 U Graphics card
June 13, 2012 8:24:18 AM

The problem is that you just cant buy a card at your budget that will be sure to last 2 years. You could well get away with it given the slow pace of improvement in the games industry which has been stagnated by the fact that most games are coded for Consoles and are ported to the PC, which keeps system requirements down.

Having said that there are games out there that are starting to challenge the hardware with a few new releases coming soon that have the potential to challenge the currant hardware further.

The GTX 560Ti is a fine card for what you are looking to do. Also worth considering, will the software you use to do your editing benefit from Cuda ? If so then AMD cards should be removed from the equation all together.

Your not going to be loosing enough performance to make the extra for the 7850 worth it, allowing for your statement that you will over clock the GPU it should outperform a standard 7850 anyway. Over clocking is not guaranteed though.

My plan for your rig would be this.
Get the 560, this keeps you to your budget and then follow your planned Z77 upgrade. If along the way you can cut a few financial corners like staying with the 560Ti and maybe settling on a lower cost Z77 board, then you may end up being able to afford a nice 1920X1080p monitor which will make a huge difference to your gaming experience as well as your image editing.

Its hard to compromise sometimes but ask yourself before buying. Do I NEED that or do I WANT that.

Mactronix :) 

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June 13, 2012 8:52:48 AM

why not buy a 3450 and overlock it the old style, and the extra 40dlls for the 7850, sounds like a smarter buy than a 3750K and a 560ti
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June 13, 2012 8:56:23 AM

i was to considering a Z77 motherboard and the MSI MicroATX with SLI and Crossfire support looks nice if you go witha 7850 because later on you cpould crossfire and a 3450, thats ... mmm lets add. 199 cpu plus 120 mobo and 250 for the sapphire 7850, .... mmm 569dlls, nice for a Potentially overlocked i5 and a nice upgradable system
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June 13, 2012 9:09:06 AM

gtx480 is a PowerHOG, its like going backwards, maybe a GTX460 but 480, better get a Foreman grill
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a b U Graphics card
June 13, 2012 9:26:29 AM

I play BF 3 on High with 2xAA (or something like that) and I get 55-65fps with my 560 Ti. I think its a great buy now. Most of them are discounted. I'm sure the 660 Ti will be better, but how much more $$? and when?
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a b U Graphics card
June 13, 2012 9:32:26 AM

As always, someone's trying to make people buy first-gen Fermi cards.

GTX 560ti is a good card.
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June 13, 2012 9:36:57 AM

i know GTX560ti is an excellent card, but for 50 dlls more u get at least 30% more , and if Unknownvirus wants 2 years worth of RIG, i recommend some Crossfire later on,

I know NVidia maybe your choice but hell GTX670 is way more expensive, personally i will buy a GTX670, seems the more wise buy
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June 13, 2012 9:39:38 AM

GTX480 is an excellent card, i know hehe :D  but, dont you think its kind of old??? and admit it, that card is waaay hotter than any other card in discussion here
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June 13, 2012 9:47:38 AM

ok, im convinced :D  , well if has the PSU, get the GTX480 cheaper and, better than the GTX560ti
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a c 130 U Graphics card
June 13, 2012 9:58:55 AM

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85c at max load, some even get lower temps... no i think it is a underdog that has been given bad rep for a long time.

Power hungry, yes, but the OP has a PSU that is overkill for the 480.


Can you link to the 480 that is available for $210 please. My reasoning is that you are posting video and stating temps for a card that is over clocked and has third party cooling.
Just wondering if the card you are talking about is an over clocked model with decent third party cooling as well. If it is then great. The OP should seriously consider it. If its not then you are being a little misleading.

Just wanting clarity on the point is all.

Mactronix :) 
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June 13, 2012 10:15:15 AM

well maybe if you put some arctic cooling thermalpaste and have a decent airflow you can easily get nice with it,

in that defense i had a 4870 which i used in a NZXT case with AMAZING air flow and it never got hot, and i sold it to a friend and he put in those cramped up Thermaltake desktop lanboxes, ... that thing overheated like a grill
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June 13, 2012 10:22:46 AM

what i mean is you have to give some love to your PC components and put better thermal paste, design a good airflow, heatsinks where some heat can be spreaded.... be gentle LOL
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a b U Graphics card
June 13, 2012 11:01:05 AM

For your resolution, anything really over 1.5GB is an overkill. I have a GTX 560Ti 448 Core 1280MB and it runs BF3 on ultra no problem with 45-55 FPS. Never dips below that. 1920x1080.
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June 13, 2012 12:06:57 PM

i was gonna get a MSI 480GTX lightning edition but stock was a issue in south africa and instead went for 2 MSI 560GTX TI OC editions and i could'nt be happier 560GTX TI is a good card but 2 is even better :p 
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June 13, 2012 12:14:55 PM

ye what i was gonna do is get one of those and overclock it silly. i mean 16 Phase PWM and Triple overvoltage?? i see no problem....
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June 13, 2012 12:19:39 PM

well according to the calculation i did with the 16 Phase PWM and triple over V you could quite possible hit 1005mhz on the core. Those Lightning Edition Cards are very nice for Overclocking
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a c 130 U Graphics card
June 13, 2012 12:20:02 PM

@ Unknownvirus.

Well you have a few options to look at now anyway. I would advise against the 480 based on age power requirements etc.
Do yourself a favour and look at a few decent on-line reviews of each card before making a decision.

Mactronix :) 
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a c 130 U Graphics card
June 13, 2012 12:42:26 PM

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I like your views Mactronix, do not call me out on the 480 however ;) 

On line reviews are borked, only few represent the 480 properly.


No one is calling you out on anything.
What I will say is that its starting to get tiresome that you seem to be turning every thread that even mentions cards around the same performance area into a "Wow look how good my 480 is" thread.

Yes the card is now value for money and it does warrant consideration. It wont be the right solution for everyone though and you need to accept that there are other cards out there that are as good and as much value for money as the stock 480 is.

Just because you have one and its great does not follow that everyone else will be so lucky. Over clocks while greatly more consistent than a few years ago cant be considered a given.
Clearly there are noisy versions out there, either that or a lot of review sites including Toms don't know how to review the cards. The same goes for the heat issue.
The 480 was slated at launch and realistically along with cards like AMD's 5830 it deserved what it got on the whole.

You seem to be saying that these people don't know what they are doing.
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On line reviews are borked, only few represent the 480 properly


Well I think you will find that most people would rather believe multiple on-line professional reviews over the video's you are posting.

Seriously I'm not looking for a fight, I just want people to have a balanced view of things and that means considering other options.
All you can do is state the facts as you see them or know them to be.
I appreciate what you are trying to do, you can however get a little carried away some times.

Mactronix :hello: 
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a c 232 U Graphics card
June 13, 2012 1:00:47 PM

Be careful w/ benchmakrks .... 560, 560 Ti or 560 Ti (900MHz)

The 560 Ti 900 Mhz ($210) gets 356 fps in common games in Guru3D's 2011 Game test suite compared with the 7850's ($260) 360 fps. The 900 Mhz 560 Ti's with the improved PCB and beefed up VRMs (Asus DCII TOP and Gigabyte models) can hit 30% OC over reference speed.....Cost per frame (in common games from the test suite) outta the box is:

$0.59 per frame for the 900 Mhz 560 Ti
$0.72 per frame for the 7850

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a c 130 U Graphics card
June 13, 2012 1:14:21 PM

JackNaylorPE said:
Be careful w/ benchmakrks .... 560, 560 Ti or 560 Ti (900MHz)

The 560 Ti 900 Mhz ($210) gets 356 fps in common games in Guru3D's 2011 Game test suite compared with the 7850's ($260) 360 fps. The 900 Mhz 560 Ti's with the improved PCB and beefed up VRMs (Asus DCII TOP and Gigabyte models) can hit 30% OC over reference speed.....Cost per frame (in common games from the test suite) outta the box is:

$0.59 per frame for the 900 Mhz 560 Ti
$0.72 per frame for the 7850



Very true, the Zotac 950 core card is very capable and surprises many with just how much performance it has over and above a standard clocked card.

Mactronix :) 
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a b U Graphics card
June 13, 2012 1:19:13 PM

560 ti is a nice card
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a b U Graphics card
June 13, 2012 2:20:42 PM

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Anyone up for a bench contest?

800mhz stock volted 480 vs 900mhz 560ti?



from another forum I've seen that a 470 at 800mhz beats a 560 ti at 900
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a b U Graphics card
June 13, 2012 2:25:05 PM

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Me like^^

I am more than up for the task!

Single 480 at 900core>? vs 560ti SLi for fairness :D 



I don't see that being very fair
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a c 199 U Graphics card
June 13, 2012 2:55:39 PM

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I do not break 56c at stock clocks .. 85c is the stock cooler.

EVGA GTX 480 1536MB:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Irrelevant. The OP requested Canadian pricing.
I am unconcerned about how well a heaven-sent gold-plated GTX480 performs. If it is only running at 56C, that just means all the heat is being exhausted by a good cooler, not that the heat isn't being produced.
Unless the OP is in need of the additional heater for those cold Great White North winters, AND doesn't mind the power bill, either a GTX560Ti or HD7850 would be more rational choices. A third, if possible, is to wait and see what the GTX6xx Keplers will do, as apparently they will also be very efficient.


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a c 199 U Graphics card
June 13, 2012 3:06:24 PM

Yes, so you've got a great cooler, able to get the heat away from the card. That doesn't mean there's no heat, or that you didn't use a lot of power creating it. It's like people who think electric cars are zero-emission; they're not, they're elsewhere-emission.

Edit: And this was not about performance. If you tell me your 480 straight from the anvil of Thor beats a GTX570, fine. I'll take that at face value (unless or until someone show otherwise).
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a c 199 U Graphics card
June 13, 2012 3:14:44 PM

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But the dissapated heat... does not heat my room up...

I cannot help but think that didn't come out the way you meant it. Of course it does. If the outside temperature is 10C though, you may very well appreciate that it is keeping your room more comfortable.

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a c 199 U Graphics card
June 13, 2012 3:29:29 PM

Hmmm, I suppose if a god made it, it may be able to break the laws of Physics.

Otherwise, it IS heating your room. As chilly as it is in my work area, I wouldn't mind having one in my work PC. Not for games mind you (not at work), but I could always fold on it...
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a c 130 U Graphics card
June 13, 2012 3:47:20 PM

You know this situation reminds me of a guy we had on these forums a few years ago now.

Now I want to be clear I am 100% not saying recon -uk is doing the same just saying its similar so bear with me here.

So as not to be to specific here this guy had X GPU. Thing was it was a second generation third party card with basically nothing not even the GPU being the same as a stock card, same chip,different silicone. And it was really well over clocked

This guy would say this card could perform at a certain level and compete with X-Y-Z cards.

The thing was he never pointed out this when making his statements and when challenged would do as recon -uk is doing, provide proof of his clocks etc.

Now the important difference here is that this person was doing so on purpose and when challenged would refuse to admit to the differences, the fact that he had quoted the card and make meant that those of us with know how knew the differences between his card and a stock card. recon-uk is NOT doing this

recon -uk has a "gold plated 480 straight from the hammer of Thor" I think was how it was put. (great quote :hello:  )

The thing to take from this is that most people wont get a card as good as that, most people wont get anywhere near the clocks recon has. most people don't know how to set a PC up properly to game the same as some of us do.

So realistically we compare stock cards and factory pre over clocked cards.
The 480 can be a good card but unless you know what you are doing it probably wont be any better than reviews have said.

As far as heating the room goes I think there is something in the laws of thermo dynamics that says it has to be able to create enough heat to heat the surrounding air faster than the exterior climate can cool it.
Basically a GPU cant heat a room its not big enough or powerful enough.

Mactronix :) 
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a b U Graphics card
June 13, 2012 3:51:09 PM

Onus said:
Hmmm, I suppose if a god made it, it may be able to break the laws of Physics.

Otherwise, it IS heating your room. As chilly as it is in my work area, I wouldn't mind having one in my work PC. Not for games mind you (not at work), but I could always fold on it...



Break the laws of Physx.
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June 13, 2012 7:27:10 PM

Thanks for all the suggestions. I think it's best if I hold off on the gpu purchase for now. I know I had a max budget but that was because I thought the GTX 560 ti was good enough at 1680x1050 resolution and wanted to get the best bang for buck. Looking at the 7850, it OC's very well and can find some for around 230-240 range which I think is much better value. Now Nvidia still hasn't released the 660 (or 660 ti) yet and based on what I've seen so far (670, 680) it will have good performance as well as affecting prices at the mid range level.

I guess these might affect what cards I get. In case it matters, I'm currently using an Antec 300 Illusion case, all stock fans along with a CM Hyper 212+ for the CPU with the stock fan. Cooling so far is good enough and have all fans set to low.

Now in saying that, I will upgrade the CPU first. I've waited this long, I guess it doesn't hurt to wait a bit longer.
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June 13, 2012 7:32:22 PM

Best answer selected by Unknownvirus.
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