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June 13, 2012 7:21:51 PM


Hi guys,I'm buying new pc and future GPU will work on Z77 LGA 1155 with i5 3570K and 8gb RAM 1600 DDR3 9-9-9-24 with resolution of monitor 1920x1080

So,I'm wondering which card to take in this price range ? (220-270$)

I found that in this price one of the best are 570GTX and 7850

For example this : http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Mini-HDMI-Lifetime-Warranty-...

and this: http://www.amazon.com/HD7850-DC2-2GD5-DisplayPort-Utili...

If not these ones,which GPU you advice me to buy ? thanks in advance :) 

P.S maybe I'll do sli or crossfire and also maybe overclocking,computer will be used only for games
a b U Graphics card
June 13, 2012 7:59:49 PM

vmem said:
how about this one? it's faster than either of the above cards, and cheaper :) 

just make sure you have a decent PSU and good case air-flow

http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-GTX480-Graphics-015-...


Faster than the GTX 570? No. Pretty much sits between the two he linked.
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June 13, 2012 8:01:42 PM

vmem said:
how about this one? it's faster than either of the above cards, and cheaper :) 

just make sure you have a decent PSU and good case air-flow

http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-GTX480-Graphics-015-...


don't know yet.... I don't like heat in this card + I need aftermarket cooler and it will cost same as 7850 and even more + I'll need much powerful PSU,so let's wait what other people will say :) 
a c 291 U Graphics card
June 13, 2012 8:10:02 PM

jeffredo said:
Faster than the GTX 570? No. Pretty much sits between the two he linked.


GTX 480 is faster than GTX 570. Don't spread misinformation!

Temuka said:
don't know yet.... I don't like heat in this card + I need aftermarket cooler and it will cost same as 7850 and even more + I'll need much powerful PSU,so let's wait what other people will say :) 


You don't need an aftermarket cooler. It's not that hot and it still has a lot of overclocking potential without aftermarket cooler.

However, even though I agree with the PSU part, I think it's the best bang for your buck right now. You get most performance and save money.
June 13, 2012 8:27:45 PM

now I'm completely lost... I just need GPU to play on full hd resolution all games on high settings now and in future 2-3 years... 480,570,7850 aaarghhh... :( 
a c 91 U Graphics card
June 13, 2012 9:00:32 PM

the 480 is the best bang for your buck at this price segment... both AMD and Nvidia has more or less neglected this price segment (Nvidia completely, AMD's 7770 shoots too low, and the 7850 is a bit over-priced for what it does). overall the current hierarchy is GTX 690 sits alone at the top, the GTX 670's your best choice 1 step down (it performs too close to the 680 and the 7970 for either of those cards to be truly worth it). the best bang for your buck step down from a 670 is the 480. it can be overclocked to around 580 performance, and only cost $210. True, there's a lot of other cards between $400 and $210, but the performance differences are really small

I'd say between the 670 and the 480, you're cutting your costs in half, and only losing around 25% performance
June 13, 2012 9:03:32 PM

1 hour before i go home and unbox my 480, convinced by recon-uk to get one..you guys make this heat thing overrated. ill check back in to let yall know how its holding up
June 13, 2012 9:06:10 PM

vmem said:
the 480 is the best bang for your buck at this price segment... both AMD and Nvidia has more or less neglected this price segment (Nvidia completely, AMD's 7770 shoots too low, and the 7850 is a bit over-priced for what it does). overall the current hierarchy is GTX 690 sits alone at the top, the GTX 670's your best choice 1 step down (it performs too close to the 680 and the 7970 for either of those cards to be truly worth it). the best bang for your buck step down from a 670 is the 480. it can be overclocked to around 580 performance, and only cost $210. True, there's a lot of other cards between $400 and $210, but the performance differences are really small

I'd say between the 670 and the 480, you're cutting your costs in half, and only losing around 25% performance


OK,but what about 480 vs 7850 ?
And if there's anything MUCH better under 300$,it's ok for me,but I don't think that paying around 70-80$ more for 5% better performance is normal.

You know maybe I'm wrong,but to take in view that 7 series are upcoming in nvidia,480 is like 3 generations lower... But if I will play all games at high settings right now and in future couple years,it's ok for me.

BTW,what about 480vs570 ?
a c 91 U Graphics card
June 13, 2012 9:07:24 PM

kinesics said:
1 hour before i go home and unbox my 480, convinced by recon-uk to get one..you guys make this heat thing overrated. ill check back in to let yall know how its holding up


haha recon-uk strikes again XD he really makes a convincing argument for the 480 though, and it's become my favorite card to recommend for people who can't step up to a 7870 ($350), and at that point, I usually tell them to save an extra $50 for a 670
June 13, 2012 9:08:38 PM

kinesics said:
1 hour before i go home and unbox my 480, convinced by recon-uk to get one..you guys make this heat thing overrated. ill check back in to let yall know how its holding up



okay,which one you took? maybe you can give amazon link ?
and let us know in this thread about your impressions,thanks in advance
a c 91 U Graphics card
June 13, 2012 9:10:07 PM

Temuka said:
OK,but what about 480 vs 7850 ?
And if there's anything MUCH better under 300$,it's ok for me,but I don't think that paying around 70-80$ more for 5% better performance is normal.

You know maybe I'm wrong,but to take in view that 7 series are upcoming in nvidia,480 is like 3 generations lower... But if I will play all games at high settings right now and in future couple years,it's ok for me.

BTW,what about 480vs570 ?


here's what a google search got me on a 480 vs a 570
http://www.hwcompare.com/9000/geforce-gtx-480-vs-geforc...

aside from the 480 eating up a ton of power, it's faster than a 570 and a bit cheaper... so the 480's a clear winner there

I'm not sure about the 7850 vs the 480. will have to do a bit more research, but my gut tells me that there won't be justification for the extra cost of the 7850

and before anyone accuse me of being an Nvidia fanboy, I run an AMD 7970 myself, got it in Feb. all I care about is the best performance for each price segment
a b U Graphics card
June 13, 2012 9:14:24 PM

kinesics said:
1 hour before i go home and unbox my 480, convinced by recon-uk to get one..you guys make this heat thing overrated. ill check back in to let yall know how its holding up


I would seriously like to know your impressions - i.e. heat increase in the room the PC is in, fan noise while gaming, CPU temps (from an residual heat from the card), etc... I'm not trying to start a fight or make anyone regret their purchase - I'm really curious to know what you think. Could you list your PC case model too? Thanks.
a c 91 U Graphics card
June 13, 2012 9:17:04 PM

jeffredo said:
I would seriously like to know your impressions - i.e. heat increase in the room the PC is in, fan noise while gaming, CPU temps (from an residual heat from the card), etc... I'm not trying to start a fight or make anyone regret their purchase - I'm really curious to know what you think. Could you list your PC case model too? Thanks.



^+1 though I can say even my 7970 OC runs like a mini space-heater (my gaming room's on the small and cozy side). it doesn't overheat, my case air-flow keeps it below 70C, but the room goes 5C higher or so haha
June 13, 2012 9:30:01 PM

sure ill be happy to give my feedback, and ill be sure to put my review up on newegg, i have an older rig im going to put it in for the next 2 weeks, since im buying my parts half this friday and the rest in 2 weeks. i really took about 1 month to decide to get the thing i was torn between the 7850 and 480 but really feel the 480 is for me, plus you cant go wrong with all that power for just $210 that's just unheard of. ill be sure to keep you all updated
a c 91 U Graphics card
June 13, 2012 9:39:13 PM

hello recon, I see you finally arrived :p 

@OP, I forgot to address your question before, but even though the 480 is old tech, it's good tech and yes, it will play all the current games at just about any resolution (single monitor) you want, as well as upcoming games for a few years
June 13, 2012 9:39:27 PM

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Sounds good^


don't know what to do... so many complains about heat and power consumption :(  isn't there any adequate gpu for me ? :( 

BTW thanks for all responces,I feel quite comfortable at this forum :) 
June 13, 2012 9:44:24 PM

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I can max BF3 at 2560x1600 with 1 480....


yes I understand this,not talking about performance in games,just about heat,noise and power consumption...
June 13, 2012 9:45:13 PM

Temuka said:
don't know what to do... so many complains about heat and power consumption :(  isn't there any adequate gpu for me ? :( 

BTW thanks for all responces,I feel quite comfortable at this forum :) 


considering i was there for one month banging my head on which card to get.. lets just say this there isnt the perfect card they all have their issues, but since you and i are looking at bang for your buck, i would recommend you go with the 480, trust me ive been through every 7850v 480 thread and every 480 thread you can think of on this forum, and i still wouldnt change my mind
June 13, 2012 10:17:01 PM

maybe it's funny,but actually not for me,does the electricity bill with this gpu is much higher than with standard power consumption cards ? I really like 480-s performance,just peoples reviews about power consumption and heat are little stressing me.... :( 
a c 91 U Graphics card
June 13, 2012 10:24:13 PM

Temuka said:
yes I understand this,not talking about performance in games,just about heat,noise and power consumption...


I can't give you exact figures since I don't have your ambient temperature/case/fan setup etc etc. But here's how I look at it

if you're putting together a GAMING machine, noise, heat, and power consumption (at least in the US) should NOT be a problem for ANY card. it's not that these aren't relevant metrics, but rather you should make them trivial.

Heat: any gaming machine should have good enough air flow to handle a high powered video card, if your current set up can't handle it, it's definately worth looking into, and consider getting a new case/fans, rearrange wires etc. if the card simply runs too hot, it's a manufacturer's issue, which would've been all solved by now for a card as old as the 480 (and from what I've read they have been).

Noise: most gaming rigs are very well ventilated, which also means they let a lot of noise escape. noise overall is a relative thing. if you're super sensitive to noise, watercooling's always a good way to go. if you're not, a good headset or cranking the sound up should work. For me, mechanical gaming keyboard makes far more noise than anything else in my system, as I'm sure is the case with many other gamers out-there. besides, noise and heat go hand in hand, at the end of the day, in 99% of cases, a well adjusted fan profile and some bios tweaks on CPU clocks will allow the end user to find a noise/heat ratio that's comfortable to them.

As for power, it's still almost dirt cheap in the United States. True, this is bad for the environment, but for those who're looking for the best bang for their buck, it'll take you years to save the price difference between a 480 and a 570/7850 from electric bill savings...

just my 2 cents :) 
a c 91 U Graphics card
June 13, 2012 10:26:31 PM

Temuka said:
maybe it's funny,but actually not for me,does the electricity bill with this gpu is much higher than with standard power consumption cards ? I really like 480-s performance,just peoples reviews about power consumption and heat are little stressing me.... :( 


I don't know about you, but I put together a 600W system back in Feb, I game (aka use close to 600W on the system) something like 2-5 hours per day on average, and ended up moving my electric bill by 1-2 dollars... when I'm not on, the system sits idle/sleep mode most of the time (it's not shut off). soo, if you give it 10 years or so, you might see a significant aggregate difference on your electric bill :p 
June 13, 2012 10:50:55 PM

why I don't see 1 post convincing me not to buy 480 ? (except of my thread where I build my whole pc :D  >>> http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/350125-13-need-advi...)

BTW is there any other gpu in this price range except 7850 where there are no doubts about noise,heat or power consumption?
a b U Graphics card
June 13, 2012 11:15:11 PM

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I can max BF3 at 2560x1600 with 1 480....


what? ultra with AA at 60fps? Online or offline?

Also, does anyone have any good 7850 OC benchmarks? If you can boost it to over 1ghz, I'd imagine you'd see very significant performance gains. The 480 would need a new cooler to oc more than 100mhz right?
June 13, 2012 11:52:47 PM

1 more thing,which fans do I need for good air flow for my case ?
a c 91 U Graphics card
June 14, 2012 1:04:47 AM

Temuka said:
1 more thing,which fans do I need for good air flow for my case ?

overall, Noctua makes the best fans, but they're very expensive... well worth the money in some people's opinions, but your call :p 

that aside, something like the cooler master 4-in-1 value pack should do the trick :) 

http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-120mm-Silent-Value/...

set them up so that the bottom and front of your case takes in air, and the top and back exhaust. try to keep the numbers of intake and exhaust fans balanced :) 
June 14, 2012 1:11:26 AM

vmem said:
overall, Noctua makes the best fans, but they're very expensive... well worth the money in some people's opinions, but your call :p 

that aside, something like the cooler master 4-in-1 value pack should do the trick :) 

http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-120mm-Silent-Value/...

set them up so that the bottom and front of your case takes in air, and the top and back exhaust. try to keep the numbers of intake and exhaust fans balanced :) 


thanks :) 

still thinking about 570...
a c 91 U Graphics card
June 14, 2012 1:16:24 AM

Temuka said:
thanks :) 

still thinking about 570...


if you really like it then get it... personally, I recommend the 480 from a value standpoint. the 570/7850 are more expensive and don't give you much in terms of performance. and to me, looking at a gaming rig, noise/heat are negligible, most of these cards can go safely up to 85C anyway

but no, I don't think you'll regret getting either the 570 or the 7850, they're both solid cards. just the 480 gets my vote :bounce: 
June 14, 2012 2:28:37 AM

ok, so ive been running my 480, for a couple hours now, ill keep this real simple, 70c for the most part, noise, i find it less noisy then my 2 9800 gtx+ that i had prior, i instantly got better fps and visuals and the heat is the same as b4 with the same cards.. thats winning x4, only gonna get better once i get my new cpu/mobo/ram
a b U Graphics card
June 14, 2012 2:44:51 AM

for fans, yate loons are the standard high performing budget fans. The CM 4 pack really don't move much air.

I believe most of these are good: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_nr_scat_11036291_ln?rh=n...
Higher rpm = more noise and more air flow. I recommend 1000-2000rpm. Also it's possible some of those are better models than others, maybe a fan expert can chime in.

Scythe also makes some decent fans (price per performance and noise).

Do you have any fans on the case already? What case?
a b U Graphics card
June 14, 2012 2:54:38 AM

The question is, would you be willing to pay an extra $50 to get the GTX 570 over the GTX 480?

Basically, would you pay $50 for less heat, noise and power consumption?
a c 109 U Graphics card
June 14, 2012 2:59:47 AM

Ironslice said:
The question is, would you be willing to pay an extra $50 to get the GTX 570 over the GTX 480?

Basically, would you pay $50 for less heat, noise and power consumption?


NOT WORTH IT!
a c 91 U Graphics card
June 14, 2012 4:16:12 AM

Ironslice said:
The question is, would you be willing to pay an extra $50 to get the GTX 570 over the GTX 480?

Basically, would you pay $50 for less heat, noise and power consumption?


he could spend the $50 on better case/fans and reduce heat/noise.
June 14, 2012 9:12:33 AM

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Heat 70-85c depending on case airflow... noise.... none.


I have 1 guy in my town,he's selling 480 backplate,is that standart version of this gpu or even better one ?
June 14, 2012 9:21:40 AM

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The backplate does nothing for cooling, and it just a visual feature, but is a more desirable neat touch to have.

I had the backplate, and actually destroyed my temps with my Gelid coolers, it is suited for stock cooling only ;) 



so you are telling me,if I buy backplate version,should I just leave as it this and play on stock self cooling or should I buy other one ?
June 14, 2012 9:27:40 AM

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You could buy the Gelid icy vision, any this thing will never see past 65c (never rises past 56c in my case on stock voltages)....

Are you comfortable with applying a custom cooler?


that seems no problem to me,but,if I spend around 40$ on cooler,this price goes up to 570s price and there it's a little hard choise for me
June 14, 2012 9:59:23 AM

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That is true.

You would not need a new cooler unless you wish to do extreme clocks.


I won't do extreme clocks,anyways,hard choise for me at this moment
June 14, 2012 11:44:48 AM

Get the 480, trust me. It's because that's what you need and you don't have to pay a lot for it. Don't worry about the next few years of what you're gonna have because when you buy electronic, you should consider performance per price unless you're willing to pay more for aesthetic which in the case is irrelevance. Beside, technology is forever improving and there will be new gen of cards coming every year. Feeling outdated when owning these techs after a few month is inevitable and that's why you can't future-proof these things.

I'd upgraded my 3 times in the last 7 months. First 6850, then 560 ti and recently a 670 but now I feel I have wasted my time and money for things exceed my needs. Soon, my 670 will be outdated and now it's only being used for about an hour a day. Such a waste!

Having a computer is not a bad thing but I think people should spend less time in front of it and more time with each others (directly). And may be we'll trully get to know one another or have a game in the park instead of playing it online (I'm not talking about BF3 :)  ).
June 14, 2012 12:52:38 PM

Sonny73N said:
Get the 480, trust me. It's because that's what you need and you don't have to pay a lot for it. Don't worry about the next few years of what you're gonna have because when you buy electronic, you should consider performance per price unless you're willing to pay more for aesthetic which in the case is irrelevance. Beside, technology is forever improving and there will be new gen of cards coming every year. Feeling outdated when owning these techs after a few month is inevitable and that's why you can't future-proof these things.

I'd upgraded my 3 times in the last 7 months. First 6850, then 560 ti and recently a 670 but now I feel I have wasted my time and money for things exceed my needs. Soon, my 670 will be outdated and now it's only being used for about an hour a day. Such a waste!

Having a computer is not a bad thing but I think people should spend less time in front of it and more time with each others (directly). And may be we'll trully get to know one another or have a game in the park instead of playing it online (I'm not talking about BF3 :)  ).



I understand that,but during this half-day conversation,it's price went from 210 to 240-250,I have to wait again for price drop,otherways there's no sense in buying it :) 
a c 91 U Graphics card
June 14, 2012 2:35:03 PM

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It is now $220 on amazon.....


OP, if you can get it for $220, get it, if not, it's not worth it at $250/260
a b U Graphics card
June 14, 2012 6:57:06 PM

Actually, the Visa shopping portal has a $10 discount for Tigerdirect on orders over $100. Go through it and you can still get the GTX 480 for $209.99 (with free shipping).

http://usa.visa.com/personal/discounts/detail/Computers...

It says its reflected in the invoice they email you, not in the Tigerdirect shopping cart.
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