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August 4, 2012 6:46:02 AM

hello,

I have put together a build i am going to purchase in the next week or so. It will be mainly used for gaming and not much else. I want it to run BF3, GW2, crysis etc at high/ultra.

Will this build below be enough? i have went a little over my budget of £1300 but i am pleased with the parts. Any advice on things that could do with upgrading or getting rid of will be much appreciated.

Computer Case NZXT Phantom Enthusiast - Red
CPU Intel i5 3570K - (4 x 3.4 GHZ) - Ivy Bridge
CPU Heatsink Coolermaster Hyper 212 Evo - Ultra Quiet Fan
Memory Corsair 8GB XMS3 PC3-12800 1600MHz (2x4GB) - Lifetime Warranty (DDR3)
Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670 - 2 GB - (PALIT) - (PCI-E)
Motherboard Asus Sabertooth Z77 (Intel Z77) - HDMI/DP
Sound Card Motherboard Integrated HD Sound
Networking Motherboard Integrated Ethernet Lan (Broadband Ready)
Power Supply Corsair 800W Gaming PSU - Low Noise
CPU Compound Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
Hard Drive #1 1 TB (1000 GB) SATA-III HDD 7200 RPM 32MB
Hard Drive #2 120GB Corsair Force Series GT, SATA III SSD, SandForce SF2200, Read 555MB/s, Write 515MB/s, 85K IOPS
Optical Drive #1 Samsung 22x DVD Re-Writer/Reader /- RW- Black - Lightscribe (SATA)
Operating System #1 Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64 BIT (Genuine DVD & COA Included)

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August 4, 2012 7:15:16 AM

toxic614 said:
hello,

I have put together a build i am going to purchase in the next week or so. It will be mainly used for gaming and not much else. I want it to run BF3, GW2, crysis etc at high/ultra.

Will this build below be enough? i have went a little over my budget of £1300 but i am pleased with the parts. Any advice on things that could do with upgrading or getting rid of will be much appreciated.

Computer Case NZXT Phantom Enthusiast - Red
CPU Intel i5 3570K - (4 x 3.4 GHZ) - Ivy Bridge
CPU Heatsink Coolermaster Hyper 212 Evo - Ultra Quiet Fan
Memory Corsair 8GB XMS3 PC3-12800 1600MHz (2x4GB) - Lifetime Warranty (DDR3)
Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670 - 2 GB - (PALIT) - (PCI-E)
Motherboard Asus Sabertooth Z77 (Intel Z77) - HDMI/DP
Sound Card Motherboard Integrated HD Sound
Networking Motherboard Integrated Ethernet Lan (Broadband Ready)
Power Supply Corsair 800W Gaming PSU - Low Noise
CPU Compound Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
Hard Drive #1 1 TB (1000 GB) SATA-III HDD 7200 RPM 32MB
Hard Drive #2 120GB Corsair Force Series GT, SATA III SSD, SandForce SF2200, Read 555MB/s, Write 515MB/s, 85K IOPS
Optical Drive #1 Samsung 22x DVD Re-Writer/Reader /- RW- Black - Lightscribe (SATA)
Operating System #1 Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64 BIT (Genuine DVD & COA Included)

This is very similar to my build, The parts are awesome and both cases are sick :)  Haha lol, but yea the ivy bridge cpu's do get very hot so if your doing hardcore gaming you may want to invest in a water cooling kit I.E. Corsair H100
BTW, what model psu are u getting? HX, AX, GS?
August 4, 2012 7:32:27 AM

hmm h100 is an extra £65 how about h40 or h60 v2? Only way i could get the h100 is if i downgraded some other parts. the psu is a gx model.

I was also thinking about this build. Only thing im not sure on is the water cooler. which build you think would be the better choice. Both the same price



Case
NZXT PHANTOM WHITE GAMING CASE


Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™i5 Quad Core Processor i5-3570K (3.4GHz) 6MB Cache


Motherboard
ASUS® SABERTOOTH Z77: USB 3.0, SATA 6.0GB/s, THERMAL ARMOR


Memory (RAM)
8GB KINGSTON HYPER-X GENESIS DUAL-DDR3 1600MHz, X.M.P (2 x 4GB KIT)


Graphics Card
2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 670 - 2 DVI, HDMI, DP - 3D Vision Ready


Memory - 1st Hard Disk
1TB 3.5" SATA-III 6GB/s HDD 7200RPM 32MB CACHE


2nd Hard Disk
120GB INTEL® 520 SERIES SSD, SATA 6 Gb/s (upto 550MB/sR | 520MB/sW)


1st DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
24x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER ±R/±RW/RAM


Power Supply
CORSAIR 850W ENTHUSIAST SERIES™ TX850 V2-80 PLUS® BRONZE (£99)


Processor Cooling
COOLIT ECO II A.L.C ADVANCED LIQUID COOLER (£59)


Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)


Network Facilities
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT - AS STANDARD ON ALL PCs
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August 4, 2012 7:42:10 AM

toxic614 said:
hmm h100 is an extra £65 how about h40 or h60 v2? Only way i could get the h100 is if i downgraded some other parts. the psu is a gx model.

I was also thinking about this build. Only thing im not sure on is the water cooler. which build you think would be the better choice. Both the same price



Case
NZXT PHANTOM WHITE GAMING CASE


Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™i5 Quad Core Processor i5-3570K (3.4GHz) 6MB Cache


Motherboard
ASUS® SABERTOOTH Z77: USB 3.0, SATA 6.0GB/s, THERMAL ARMOR


Memory (RAM)
8GB KINGSTON HYPER-X GENESIS DUAL-DDR3 1600MHz, X.M.P (2 x 4GB KIT)


Graphics Card
2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 670 - 2 DVI, HDMI, DP - 3D Vision Ready


Memory - 1st Hard Disk
1TB 3.5" SATA-III 6GB/s HDD 7200RPM 32MB CACHE


2nd Hard Disk
120GB INTEL® 520 SERIES SSD, SATA 6 Gb/s (upto 550MB/sR | 520MB/sW)


1st DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
24x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER ±R/±RW/RAM


Power Supply
CORSAIR 850W ENTHUSIAST SERIES™ TX850 V2-80 PLUS® BRONZE (£99)


Processor Cooling
COOLIT ECO II A.L.C ADVANCED LIQUID COOLER (£59)


Sound Card
ONBOARD 6 CHANNEL (5.1) HIGH DEF AUDIO (AS STANDARD)


Network Facilities
10/100/1000 GIGABIT LAN PORT - AS STANDARD ON ALL PCs

Well if i were you i would go with the water cooler just because ivy bridge is SO HOT!!! LOL i cant wait until ivy bridge-e then i wont have to change motherboards which is convenient... Can you go with a h80? That or a h60. (But the h80 is much better) Great chioce of parts btw :)  When are u building it?
August 4, 2012 7:49:29 AM

First build better than the 2nd one you think? i could probably stretch to a h80 yeah coming to £1383 im sure i could get another £83 from somewhere lol. Going to order the parts next week and start the build as soon as they arrive. first build so im kinda worried lol
August 4, 2012 7:54:50 AM

toxic614 said:
First build better than the 2nd one you think? i could probably stretch to a h80 yeah coming to £1383 im sure i could get another £83 from somewhere lol. Going to order the parts next week and start the build as soon as they arrive. first build so im kinda worried lol

Yea im building my first pc aswell. The hardest bit will be the cpu, the rest is easy as pie :p  Yep, defiantly get a h80, much easier to install than the other ones! If your not sure about how to install something just search a tutorial on youtube.
BTW, do you know how much your pc will cost in dollars $$$?
August 4, 2012 7:58:14 AM

yeah im worried about frying the motherboard from static or dropping it on the pins or something haha. in dollars my pc would cost $2163
August 4, 2012 8:05:11 AM

toxic614 said:
yeah im worried about frying the motherboard from static or dropping it on the pins or something haha. in dollars my pc would cost $2163

yea hahaha, i thought that if i pushed down on the ram too hard to put it in (thats what she said) the board would snap... that was the worst nightmare ever!!!
Nice :)  Mine costs around $2050 because im getting sandy bridge-e, so i can get ivy bridge-e FTW!
August 4, 2012 8:12:42 AM

haha good luck with it im sure it will go alright.

Is there a big difference between the h80 and h100? I came up with this but its kinda over budget. Bit of a noob when it comes to parts.

Computer Case NZXT Phantom Enthusiast - Red
CPU Intel i5 3570K - (4 x 3.4 GHZ) - Ivy Bridge -
CPU Heatsink Corsair Hydro Series H100 (Advanced Liquid Cooling)
Memory Corsair 8GB XMS3 PC3-12800 1600MHz (2x4GB) - Lifetime Warranty (DDR3)
Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670 - 2 GB - (PALIT) - (PCI-E) -
Motherboard Asus Sabertooth Z77 (Intel Z77) - HDMI/DP
Sound Card Motherboard Integrated HD Sound
Networking Motherboard Integrated Ethernet Lan (Broadband Ready)
Power Supply Corsair 800W Gaming PSU - Low Noise
CPU Compound Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
Hard Drive #1 1 TB (1000 GB) SATA-III HDD 7200 RPM 32MB
Hard Drive #2 120GB Corsair Force Series GT, SATA III SSD, SandForce SF2200, Read 555MB/s, Write 515MB/s, 85K IOPS
Optical Drive #1 Samsung 22x DVD Re-Writer/Reader /- RW- Black - Lightscribe (SATA)
Operating System #1 Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64 BIT (Genuine DVD & COA Included)
August 4, 2012 8:15:37 AM

toxic614 said:
haha good luck with it im sure it will go alright.

Is there a big difference between the h80 and h100? I came up with this but its kinda over budget. Bit of a noob when it comes to parts.

Computer Case NZXT Phantom Enthusiast - Red
CPU Intel i5 3570K - (4 x 3.4 GHZ) - Ivy Bridge -
CPU Heatsink Corsair Hydro Series H100 (Advanced Liquid Cooling)
Memory Corsair 8GB XMS3 PC3-12800 1600MHz (2x4GB) - Lifetime Warranty (DDR3)
Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670 - 2 GB - (PALIT) - (PCI-E) -
Motherboard Asus Sabertooth Z77 (Intel Z77) - HDMI/DP
Sound Card Motherboard Integrated HD Sound
Networking Motherboard Integrated Ethernet Lan (Broadband Ready)
Power Supply Corsair 800W Gaming PSU - Low Noise
CPU Compound Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
Hard Drive #1 1 TB (1000 GB) SATA-III HDD 7200 RPM 32MB
Hard Drive #2 120GB Corsair Force Series GT, SATA III SSD, SandForce SF2200, Read 555MB/s, Write 515MB/s, 85K IOPS
Optical Drive #1 Samsung 22x DVD Re-Writer/Reader /- RW- Black - Lightscribe (SATA)
Operating System #1 Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64 BIT (Genuine DVD & COA Included)

They will all work great :)  And before you commit to the h100 check and see if your case supports a 240mm radiator in it because most cases dont :(  Hopefull you get good temps with ur cpu, are you going to be overclocking?
And is that the final price of your system? Did you include a monitor and mouse /keyboard?
August 4, 2012 8:26:00 AM

There is no need to go with Liquid Cooling on the Ivy Bridge, only if he was planning to Overclock heavily. That air cooler is probably the best air cooler there is, and not too much worse than the H60/H80. He can easily get a 4.2Ghz overclock on air, and probably as high as 4.5/4.6 safely. Water cooling only adds a few more Ghz, and really for games there is no need for even 4.2+.

I would suggest going with the Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo, simply because its so much cheaper. Also is there really a need for that big of a PSU? Unless your planning on SLi I would drop it to 500-650 Watts to safe money, possibly going with Seasonic X for best efficiency too.

Good luck with your build, its addicting once you start building a lot.
August 4, 2012 8:26:00 AM

I will have a look into it. I'm sure the nzxt phantom enthusiast case supports the h100. I originally chose the hyper 212 evo because I doubt I will overclock past 4.5ghz if I even decide to do that. Got the monitor mouse and keyboard already
August 4, 2012 8:30:32 AM

jase240 said:
There is no need to go with Liquid Cooling on the Ivy Bridge, only if he was planning to Overclock heavily. That air cooler is probably the best air cooler there is, and not too much worse than the H60/H80. He can easily get a 4.2Ghz overclock on air, and probably as high as 4.5/4.6 safely. Water cooling only adds a few more Ghz, and really for games there is no need for even 4.2+.

I would suggest going with the Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo, simply because its so much cheaper. Also is there really a need for that big of a PSU? Unless your planning on SLi I would drop it to 500-650 Watts to safe money, possibly going with Seasonic X for best efficiency too.

Good luck with your build, its addicting once you start building a lot.

Yea but if he was overclocking then he would want to get liquid cooling. Plus ivy bridge gets VERY hot under heavy load.
August 4, 2012 8:41:43 AM

Ivy Bridge does get hot, but its his choice of overclocking. If he does want to push 5Ghz then yes he NEEDS liquid, but as far as I know Ivy Bridge cant really overclock good either way. However performance wise even at lower Ghz, Ivy bridge has a lower HIGHER performance per Ghz than Sandy Bridge.

In reality no game needs CPUs this fast to be overclocked, and even then they still wont ever give it full load to push the temps too high.

If you really want to overclock max, liquid is the way to go. At minimum an H100, but for best temps you would need a custom kit.
However I'm not sure if you want to overclock it too much, keep in mind it shortens the life of your CPU the hotter you make it run and the higher your voltages are on it(given they are close to intel rated max or above)

If you don't plan on pushing your overclock to the max, the best value would be the 212 EVO still. Like I said you can still obtain a pretty good overclock on that, especially with custom fans in Push/Pull config.

Good luck making your choice.

-edit: Noticed you put that you want to use it for Gaming and not much else. I would REALLY suggest against the liquid cooling if you want to save money and only plan on doing gaming and such.
August 4, 2012 8:49:41 AM

jase240 said:
Ivy Bridge does get hot, but its his choice of overclocking. If he does want to push 5Ghz then yes he NEEDS liquid, but as far as I know Ivy Bridge cant really overclock good either way. However performance wise even at lower Ghz, Ivy bridge has a lower HIGHER performance per Ghz than Sandy Bridge.

In reality no game needs CPUs this fast to be overclocked, and even then they still wont ever give it full load to push the temps too high.

If you really want to overclock max, liquid is the way to go. At minimum an H100, but for best temps you would need a custom kit.
However I'm not sure if you want to overclock it too much, keep in mind it shortens the life of your CPU the hotter you make it run and the higher your voltages are on it(given they are close to intel rated max or above)

If you don't plan on pushing your overclock to the max, the best value would be the 212 EVO still. Like I said you can still obtain a pretty good overclock on that, especially with custom fans in Push/Pull config.

Good luck making your choice.

-edit: Noticed you put that you want to use it for Gaming and not much else. I would REALLY suggest against the liquid cooling if you want to save money and only plan on doing gaming and such.

true true... Im getting an i7-3820 (SBE) for some video editing and also to help out my gpu in games that use all cores of your cpu I.E. BF3
My pc will mainly be for gaming but i will overclock my cpu to around 4.5 to 4.8 and the h100 should be fine handling that. But its harder with the 3820 because it's partially locked multiplier so i will have to increase the voltage a touch if i want 4.8GHz. I was going to go with a i7-3930k but im mostly gaming and wont need that much processing power :)  do you think that's smart or a waste of money going with sandy bridge e?
sorry about all the questions :/ 
August 4, 2012 8:51:34 AM

I don't do editing or anything like that. The computer is basically built for gaming and nothing much else. like i say i want to run the most demanding games on max settings or near. I went with the 800w psu because I was going to sli two gtx 670's in the future. Would I really need to sli though? How future proof would a gtx 670 be? Even in the future maybe it would be better just to upgrade to a 690 or something?
August 4, 2012 8:58:41 AM

Myself I think Sandy Bridge-e is a waste right now, for video editing an ivy bridge i7 works just fine. And most threaded games still cant use more than 2 cores effectively, for BF3 I don't think any more tan 4 cores will help much. Also depending on the program you have for video editing, some can even use the GPU to encode faster. I know Sony Vegas 11 can use a GPU to render completely.

But yeah really there wont be much of a speed difference in realtime even for video encoding, at least not without going for the i7 Extreme(and that thing costs WAY too much).
August 4, 2012 9:03:15 AM

jase240 said:
Myself I think Sandy Bridge-e is a waste right now, for video editing an ivy bridge i7 works just fine. And most threaded games still cant use more than 2 cores effectively, for BF3 I don't think any more tan 4 cores will help much. Also depending on the program you have for video editing, some can even use the GPU to encode faster. I know Sony Vegas 11 can use a GPU to render completely.

But yeah really there wont be much of a speed difference in realtime even for video encoding, at least not without going for the i7 Extreme(and that thing costs WAY too much).

Yea, but the benefit is that having sbe i can just get a high end ibe when they come out without having to change my mobo or anything :) 
August 4, 2012 9:05:31 AM

toxic614 said:
I don't do editing or anything like that. The computer is basically built for gaming and nothing much else. like i say i want to run the most demanding games on max settings or near. I went with the 800w psu because I was going to sli two gtx 670's in the future. Would I really need to sli though? How future proof would a gtx 670 be? Even in the future maybe it would be better just to upgrade to a 690 or something?


Really I was thinking of SLi 670s for myself, but I'm sure by the time we even need more power it would be better in the end just to buy a new GPU. I have read that 650W is even enough for 670 SLi(given you are not overclocking), I myself would still want 750W for SLi. If you really think you might do SLi then by all means, stay with a PSU above 750W to be safe.

Only thing I'm scared of with SLi is the so-called "shuttering" issues it has had in the past, I think they fixed it with the 500 series but you never know.

August 4, 2012 9:06:08 AM

Bayman115 said:
Yea, but the benefit is that having sbe i can just get a high end ibe when they come out without having to change my mobo or anything :) 

if it does, they are planning for Haswell to release next year using I think its 1366 Socket(I think).
August 4, 2012 9:25:50 AM

jase240 said:
if it does, they are planning for Haswell to release next year using I think its 1366 Socket(I think).

oh yea, i heard intel say that somewhere earlier when they realeased ivy bridge (not long ago) But i think most likely to be 2011
August 4, 2012 1:57:11 PM

Late reply currently at work. T oblong of dropping by psu to save some money. My choices are

Corsair 600w Cx series
Cooler master gx lite 700w
Corsair 800w gaming psu

August 4, 2012 4:43:23 PM

That was meant to say "thinking of dropping my psu to save money"
August 4, 2012 6:54:38 PM

toxic614 said:
That was meant to say "thinking of dropping my psu to save money"

Like I said if your not going SLi at all(or really don't think you are), the Corsair 600W CX would be good. I don't know if you care for a modular PSU or not(being able to plug in only the cables you need to your PSU), but it is something to think of.
Really if you did want SLi you would need the 800w, if I was going SLi thought I would get this one. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Keep in mind some lower watt PSUs can outperform a higher watt PSU, while corsair makes good PSUs. A 750W Seasonic X beats that corsair 800W due to its efficiency.



If you don't plan on SLi go with the 600W

If you do plan on SLi you might want to consider that Seasonic X 750W or really that 800W would still work(I'm just not sure about it because its still a new product.)
August 4, 2012 6:58:39 PM

Bayman115 said:
oh yea, i heard intel say that somewhere earlier when they realeased ivy bridge (not long ago) But i think most likely to be 2011


Not likely I just read up here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haswell_%28microarchitectu...
Its going to be on a new socket 1150, meaning to upgrade to Haswell we would have to buy new motherboards.

"
Confirmed new features

Advanced Vector Extensions 2 (AVX2) instruction set, also called Haswell New Instructions (includes gather, bit manipulation, and FMA3 support).[8]
New sockets — LGA 1150 for desktops and rPGA947 & BGA1364 for the mobile market.[9]
Intel Transactional Synchronization Extensions (TSX).[10]
Graphics support in hardware for Direct3D 11.1 and OpenGL 3.2.[11]
DDR4 for the enterprise/server variant (Haswell-EX).[12]
"
August 4, 2012 7:52:54 PM

might just go with the 600w then since instead of sli i might just upgrade to a gtx 690 or whatever will be out then. Also im having issues with deciding on a mouse. either roccat kone v2 or logitech g4. what you think? im a claw/palm grip.
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August 4, 2012 8:09:27 PM

Haswell is socket 1150. Socket 1366 has already been used.
August 4, 2012 9:27:52 PM

toxic614 said:
might just go with the 600w then since instead of sli i might just upgrade to a gtx 690 or whatever will be out then. Also im having issues with deciding on a mouse. either roccat kone v2 or logitech g4. what you think? im a claw/palm grip.


I cant help you on mice sadly, I just use the cheapest wireless mouse I can get. o.o Haven't actually noticed a huge difference between a cheap mouse and a mid-range Logitech.
August 5, 2012 1:17:56 AM

azeem40 said:
Haswell is socket 1150. Socket 1366 has already been used.

Socket 2011 hasn't already been used :/ 
August 5, 2012 7:21:23 PM

Bayman115 said:
Socket 2011 hasn't already been used :/ 

Socket 2011 has been used by Sandy Bridge-E, And I'm pretty sure it wont be used again or at least not for a long time(years). And by the time they even use the same sockets again it wont be worth it or compatible with the motherboards. Just because it fits in the same socket doesn't mean the chipset can handle the newer CPU, and a lot of times the CPU architecture changes so much that it would likely fry the board or CPU trying to make it work.

Really whenever they do come out with a new CPU that uses an old socket, better to buy a new motherboard. Besides new motherboards usually have newer better features, I know they are planning DDR4 to come out in the next year or two.
August 6, 2012 7:05:23 AM

jase240 said:
Socket 2011 has been used by Sandy Bridge-E, And I'm pretty sure it wont be used again or at least not for a long time(years). And by the time they even use the same sockets again it wont be worth it or compatible with the motherboards. Just because it fits in the same socket doesn't mean the chipset can handle the newer CPU, and a lot of times the CPU architecture changes so much that it would likely fry the board or CPU trying to make it work.

Really whenever they do come out with a new CPU that uses an old socket, better to buy a new motherboard. Besides new motherboards usually have newer better features, I know they are planning DDR4 to come out in the next year or two.

sorry, i meant it hasn't been reused.
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