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December 20, 2012 3:12:23 PM

I currently have amd phenom ii 1055t @3.5Ghz and MSIR7850 power edition gfx card in my rig.
Its been few years since I am using the 1055t and I am wondering is it the correct time to upgrade to intel cpus?
I can either upgrade to i5 3750k or i7 2600k so which one should I go with?
I have herd ivy bridge gets pretty hot when OCed and how well does i7 2600k OC?
Just wanted to know how much performance in gaming will I see if I make this upgrade?

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December 20, 2012 3:26:14 PM

Hi,

You do know that if you change to intel you need to change the mobo as well.

Also, if you are using ddr2 , you will have to get ddr3.

If you post all your comp specs, we can guide you better.

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December 20, 2012 4:07:45 PM

With the 3rd generation Intel® Core™ processors like the Intel Core i5-3570K you may not be able to reach as high of clock speed as you could with the Intel Core i5-2500K it will give you performance very close. Let say that I am able to overclock the Intel Core i5-2500K to 4.6GHz and on the Intel Core i5-3570K I am only able to reach 4.3GHz but due to the improvement in IPC on the 3rd generation I am performing at about the same level. As most of the reviews stated it is a wash.

Now as far as which one to go with the Intel Core i5-3570K or the Intel Core i7-2600K you answered this yourself when you said that you are going to be gaming. Right now very few games will use more than 4 threads. For this reason the hyper-threading or additional core only has minimal value on a gaming system. So go with the Intel Core i5-3570K.
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December 21, 2012 3:19:02 AM

hello,
i think the better upgrade you can do to notice the difference in gaming is to upgrade your GPU, not the cpu.
amd phenom ii 1055t @3.5Ghz and 2xMSI7850 power edition in CF is better setup for gaming than an i5/i7 and a single msi7850.
so my suggestion is to get a second msi 7850 and CF them (if your mobo and PSU support them) or to sell your current msi7850 and get something like a gtx670 or a hd7970 ghz edition.
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December 22, 2012 3:31:47 AM


IntelEnthusiast said:
With the 3rd generation Intel® Core™ processors like the Intel Core i5-3570K you may not be able to reach as high of clock speed as you could with the Intel Core i5-2500K it will give you performance very close. Let say that I am able to overclock the Intel Core i5-2500K to 4.6GHz and on the Intel Core i5-3570K I am only able to reach 4.3GHz but due to the improvement in IPC on the 3rd generation I am performing at about the same level. As most of the reviews stated it is a wash.

Now as far as which one to go with the Intel Core i5-3570K or the Intel Core i7-2600K you answered this yourself when you said that you are going to be gaming. Right now very few games will use more than 4 threads. For this reason the hyper-threading or additional core only has minimal value on a gaming system. So go with the Intel Core i5-3570K.


So should I go with i5 2500k as it is cheaper and I believe I can fit it in a latest z77 boards aswell. will i5 2500k generate less heat @4.6Ghz compared to the i5 3750k @4.3Ghz?
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December 22, 2012 3:35:27 AM

thx for the replies guyz :) 
One thing I want to know is 1055t @ 3.5Ghz bottlenecking my GPU 7850 in anyway? I checked out some benchmark of crysis 3 on tomshardware and there was a huge difference between an i5 and pheonom II 955 CPU more than 20 FPS in farcry 3.

The reason I want to upgrade is to sell this amd gear bcz an year from now I dont think I will get any value out of it. I have a MSI 890GXM G65 mobo AM3+...or do u think getting new amd CPUs will be a better option ?
PS: is haswell worth the wait?
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December 22, 2012 4:22:19 AM

antonisrsx said:
hello,
i think the better upgrade you can do to notice the difference in gaming is to upgrade your GPU, not the cpu.
amd phenom ii 1055t @3.5Ghz and 2xMSI7850 power edition in CF is better setup for gaming than an i5/i7 and a single msi7850.
so my suggestion is to get a second msi 7850 and CF them (if your mobo and PSU support them) or to sell your current msi7850 and get something like a gtx670 or a hd7970 ghz edition.



Terrible idea, it is not good to crossfire powerful gpu's like that with an amd processor.


I used to have a 1055t @ 3.8 ghz with crossfire 6850's and it was a stutter fest.

The best choice is to go i5 3570k for gaming, the 2600k is $100 more and basically equal to it but with older tech.
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December 22, 2012 5:22:56 AM

hitec16 said:
I currently have amd phenom ii 1055t @3.5Ghz and MSIR7850 power edition gfx card in my rig.
Its been few years since I am using the 1055t and I am wondering is it the correct time to upgrade to intel cpus?
I can either upgrade to i5 3750k or i7 2600k so which one should I go with?
I have herd ivy bridge gets pretty hot when OCed and how well does i7 2600k OC?
Just wanted to know how much performance in gaming will I see if I make this upgrade?




You just said that Ivy Bridge gets pretty hot when OC'd so I suggest you go with the Sandy Bridge i5 2500K instead of i7 2600K again you said it will be used for gaming so i5 2500K is best for you.
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December 22, 2012 7:06:53 AM

what is your resolution? if its 1080p your graphics card shoulders the load. Skyrim aside.

What are you hoping for? Massive frame boost? not gonna happen

upgrading to intel will be waste a money unless you purposely play at a crappy resolution. If you do want to switch to intel wait for haswell. As of right now spend money on the games and experiences.
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December 22, 2012 9:42:50 AM

Well I am playing at 1600x900 for and will go for 1080p in future. I was hoping for like 15 to 20% FPS boost with i5 2500k. how much do u guyz expect haswell will be faster than i5 2500k or i5 3570k?upgrading gfx card doesnt seem to be sensible considering i got 1055t.I have 7850 power edition that performs near 7870 reference card so i might CF it later but not before upgrading the CPU.
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December 22, 2012 11:07:39 AM

I upgraded from a 1045t @ 3.4Ghz to a 2600k @ 4Ghz.

I saw very little difference in Crysis 2 at 1680 X 1050 after the upgrade.

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December 22, 2012 12:35:11 PM

Z1NONLY said:
I upgraded from a 1045t @ 3.4Ghz to a 2600k @ 4Ghz.

I saw very little difference in Crysis 2 at 1680 X 1050 after the upgrade.


really? since u had the experience of upgrading firsthand what would u suggest? did u noticed some difference on othergames?
people genreally say that intel CPU shud show atleast 15% improvement over amd.
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December 22, 2012 2:32:20 PM

hitec16 said:
really? since u had the experience of upgrading firsthand what would u suggest? did u noticed some difference on othergames?
people genreally say that intel CPU shud show atleast 15% improvement over amd.



I don't play a lot of games and Crysis 2 is the only one that seems to "stress" my system at all.

I guess my 1045t and two GTX 560's in SLI were maxing out my 60hz monitor with V-sync enabled.

So when I upgraded to the 2600k, it just maxed it out ....more?

The only small difference I noticed was the rare moments in the game when I would see some FPS drop, were more rare. But it barely every happend with the 1045t and now it just happens a little less often. (Usually when I run into a bunch of Seph (SP?) and start shooting and thay get upset with me.)

Were it not so butter-smooth 98% of the time, I would probably think the FPS at those moments were fine.

It's a little better with the 2600k, but not worth the money spent upgrading.

I wish I would have spend money on a bigger monitor (22" now) and/or a more powerful graphics card.
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December 22, 2012 5:20:23 PM

maxalge said:
Terrible idea, it is not good to crossfire powerful gpu's like that with an amd processor.


I used to have a 1055t @ 3.8 ghz with crossfire 6850's and it was a stutter fest.

The best choice is to go i5 3570k for gaming, the 2600k is $100 more and basically equal to it but with older tech.

Terrible idea to GF 2x6850!!! for gaming the difference between the 1055t @ 3.8 ghz and the i5 is minimal!!
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December 22, 2012 9:35:29 PM

antonisrsx said:
Terrible idea to GF 2x6850!!! for gaming the difference between the 1055t @ 3.8 ghz and the i5 is minimal!!


Yeah crossfire with amd processors is a terrible idea.


No, the i5 is superior in every way.




http://techreport.com/r.x/amd-fx-8350/crysis-latency.gi...


The 3570k is 10% better than a 2500k at equal clocks:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-a...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-a...




The i5 also gives a smoother gaming experience on top of better fps.
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December 22, 2012 10:02:32 PM

My 1045t @ 3.4Ghz handled my two 560's just fine.

Someone asked me to A/B my AMD rig and my Intel rig by moving my two cards between rigs. (In another thread, regarding this same question)

I worked all day today, but maybe I can do some testing tomorrow....
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December 23, 2012 2:30:33 AM

ypu thats the kind of benchmarks I am talking abt :)  ...the difference b/w i5 2500k n 1055t is huge like 10FPS avg. upgrading to a better gfx card will hardly help me coz i put anything above 7870 will be bottlenecked by cpu.
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December 23, 2012 2:31:17 AM

so just to confirm that i5 2500k OCed is a better choice than i5 3570k .
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December 23, 2012 4:22:08 PM

I'm uploading back to back examples from both of my rigs with the same SLI 560's.
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December 23, 2012 6:55:43 PM

The upgrade to a 2500K or 2600K is good because it future proofs your system for the next few years, it overclocks well, and it has amazing singlethread & multithread performance compared to your 1055t - you'll see improved application performance, I would upgrade.
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December 23, 2012 7:19:50 PM

payturr said:
The upgrade to a 2500K or 2600K is good because it future proofs your system for the next few years, it overclocks well, and it has amazing singlethread & multithread performance compared to your 1055t - you'll see improved application performance, I would upgrade.



I have already done this and found the improvement was not worth the money it cost to upgrade.

Not for the little gaming I do, (As shown in the video I just posted) and not in the applications I use. (I do a decent amount of HD video rendering)
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December 23, 2012 7:30:28 PM

Z1NONLY said:
I have already done this and found the improvement was not worth the money it cost to upgrade.

Not for the little gaming I do, (As shown in the video I just posted) and not in the applications I use. (I do a decent amount of HD video rendering)

With video editing, the 3570K & 3770K are better because the HD4000 graphics assist the CPU, and as for gaming, it only shows in some games like BF3.
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December 23, 2012 7:31:57 PM

Z1NONLY said:
I don't play a lot of games and Crysis 2 is the only one that seems to "stress" my system at all.

I guess my 1045t and two GTX 560's in SLI were maxing out my 60hz monitor with V-sync enabled.

So when I upgraded to the 2600k, it just maxed it out ....more?

The only small difference I noticed was the rare moments in the game when I would see some FPS drop, were more rare. But it barely every happend with the 1045t and now it just happens a little less often. (Usually when I run into a bunch of Seph (SP?) and start shooting and thay get upset with me.)

Were it not so butter-smooth 98% of the time, I would probably think the FPS at those moments were fine.

It's a little better with the 2600k, but not worth the money spent upgrading.

I wish I would have spend money on a bigger monitor (22" now) and/or a more powerful graphics card.

this is because crysis 2 is a gpu dependent game - if you were maxing it out in DX11 then most of the load went to your cards therefore negating needing a faster cpu. now, go to a game like witcher 2, BF3, or skyrim; those will let you know if theres a cpu bottleneck.
now as far as OP goes, if you want a multiple GPU setup, the 2500k is what i have and these beasts (570 sli) never see a bottleneck, the 2500k being at 4.5ghz. I had a 980BE at 4.2ghz, and it bottlenecked my single 570 in certain applications and games. The main difference in the 3570k and 2500k that you will see is that the 3570k will overclock to about 4.2ghz at the thermal threshold which will hit 70c routinely during games, even with a good cooler, or the 2500k will clock to 4.5ghz, making the per clock performance a wash, and will never see above 60-63c with a good cooler, and that is only occasionally when under p95 or extreme gaming circumstances. Do you want to see less heat in your case? i would get the 2500k.
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December 23, 2012 7:44:09 PM

payturr said:
With video editing, the 3570K & 3770K are better because the HD4000 graphics assist the CPU, and as for gaming, it only shows in some games like BF3.


I never said it wasn't better.

I'm saying it's not ~$400 better. (Not even close to being worth that actually)




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December 23, 2012 7:47:18 PM

Z1NONLY said:
I never said it wasn't better.

I'm saying it's not ~$400 better. (Not even close to being worth that actually)

For the price you pay, it is a good upgrade considering you get performance increases and you do future proof yourself in the long run. The 3570K is the best for the cash, the Core i7 isn't necessary unless you use a lot of video editing software.
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December 23, 2012 7:49:27 PM

thats why if youre gaming you get a 2500k or 3570k. the price difference between a mobo and cpu of amd and intel isnt that much, and the performance difference is undoubtedly irrefutable
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December 23, 2012 7:53:35 PM

FlintIronStagg said:
thats why if youre gaming you get a 2500k or 3570k. the price difference between a mobo and cpu of amd and intel isnt that much, and the performance difference is undoubtedly irrefutable


Wait, I generally recommend Intel for new builds when the budget is healthy.

However, it makes no sense to pay for a decent AMD rig (Like the OP has already done)....AND.....an Intel CPU+MB upgrade.

New build with $200 for a CPU? >>>>>Intel.

Already paid money for a decent AMD rig? >>>>Upgrade your graphics' power.
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December 23, 2012 7:55:20 PM

payturr said:
as for gaming, it only shows in some games like BF3.

But that chart posted above implies some major gains for....Crysis 2.

That's what I posted a video of.


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December 23, 2012 7:56:01 PM

OP will be stuttering like crazy if he tried to run 2 high end cards on a 1055T.
a comparable AMD and Intel rig budget is a wash being you have to spend for the 8350 to get near 2500k performance.
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December 23, 2012 7:57:06 PM

then STOP basing all of your info on ONE game. this will NOT give OP the info he needs. I have had AMD and Intel; intel is faster. period. I wouldnt sink a dime into his already bought AMD setup and just start fresh with a platform to last years(IE intel)
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December 23, 2012 8:01:45 PM

FlintIronStagg said:
then STOP basing all of your info on ONE game. this will NOT give OP the info he needs. I have had AMD and Intel; intel is faster. period. I wouldnt sink a dime into his already bought AMD setup and just start fresh with a platform to last years(IE intel)


I was posting a video to show what "faster" looks like in reference to a specific game/chart posted in this very thread.

If the OP thinks it looks like ~$400 dollars to him, then great.

The money for the AMD rig is already spent in this case.






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December 23, 2012 8:10:49 PM

But you base your entire opinion on one game.
Op I hope you can see past this....
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December 23, 2012 8:17:08 PM

FlintIronStagg said:
But you base your entire opinion on one game.


And render times.....


Someone posted a chart for that "one game". I was just visually quantifying that chart. (And the difference doesn't look nearly as impressive in real life as it does in the chart.)

Someone also stated that multiple cards with an AMD was a "terrible idea". Well, the video is what it is.



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December 23, 2012 9:29:26 PM

The video doesn't prove anything beyond the fact that crysis 2 is gpu dependent
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December 23, 2012 10:51:39 PM

FlintIronStagg said:
The video doesn't prove anything beyond the fact that crysis 2 is gpu dependent



Then what's the point of this?:



http://techreport.com/r.x/cpu-gaming-2012/crysis2-beyon...

What does that chart prove in relation to performance?

The fact that something performs better than something else matters only when the difference is discernible on a level commensurate with the price difference.

By posting the video in response to a chart that shows what are implied to be huge differences, I'm demonstrating that benchmarks can show differences that sometimes we can't see in actual use.





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December 24, 2012 12:02:12 AM

Z1NONLY said:
Then what's the point of this?:



http://techreport.com/r.x/cpu-gaming-2012/crysis2-beyon...

What does that chart prove in relation to performance?

The fact that something performs better than something else matters only when the difference is discernible on a level commensurate with the price difference.

By posting the video in response to a chart that shows what are implied to be huge differences, I'm demonstrating that benchmarks can show differences that sometimes we can't see in actual use.



Except that it proves that there is a discernible difference, quite a big one in fact. If you have an amd cpu you will see more fps drops, for longer durations.

Is it worth dropping the amd setup? OP: "Its been few years since I am using the 1055t and I am wondering is it the correct time to upgrade to intel cpus?"


IMO yes.
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December 24, 2012 12:21:52 AM

maxalge said:
Except that it proves that there is a discernible difference, quite a big one in fact. If you have an amd cpu you will see more fps drops, for longer durations.

Is it worth dropping the amd setup? OP: "Its been few years since I am using the 1055t and I am wondering is it the correct time to upgrade to intel cpus?"


IMO yes.


This is why I posted the video.

If the OP sees the difference and thinks that difference is worth the money he will be spending, great.

Value is subjective.
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December 24, 2012 2:45:50 AM

But there are so many variants in gaming that the video you posted only supports a game that is primarily gpu limited.it doesn't explain or argue for or against anything because that game isn't as hard on the cpu.
what has been troubling me is that is exactly what you are saying is it proves there isn't an issue when you don't take into account anything else but one game.
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December 24, 2012 2:46:42 AM

Alright I have herd everyones case and appreciate your opinion :) 
Considering the rate at which amd is droppping prices of their new CPUs and if I wait for intel haswell CPUs than by that time my amd mobo n cpu won't have much resale value? and I have already used this rig for 2 yrs so only 1year warrant is left on it. The resale value is better when product is still in a year or atleast 6 months of warranty thats what I believe. I am getting pretty good resale value for my rig thats why I even considered upgrading, as we all know intel is quiet expensive compared to amd.

Well everone knows that intel CPU is far better than amds when it comes to gaming, however we see very less FPS difference in some games and a significant defference in some titles which are more CPU dependent.

Therefore I upgrading is a good idea as i5 2500k has become cheaper thanks to ivy bridge and going CF with 1055t is a really bad idea indeed.

Christmas is the best time to upgrade considering all the discounts along with freeshipping =D

Oh! and I just realised that i5 2500k doesn't support PCIE 3.0 , I know that there is no performance difference using PCie 3.0 slots but somebody explain me will it really matter if I use 7850x2 on PCIE2.0 slot or there will be better performance with PCIE 3.0 slots with an ivy bridge CPUs
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December 24, 2012 2:51:28 AM

There will not be as the 7850 is toughly as fast as a 570 which is pcie 2.0
It would take an extremely high end card to saturate a 2.0 slot.
Thank you for listening to reason and banking on Intel... 2500k or 3570k whichever you choose will last a while and give you the performance you desire. Good luck and happy gaming
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December 24, 2012 10:14:48 AM

FlintIronStagg said:
But there are so many variants in gaming that the video you posted only supports a game that is primarily gpu limited.it doesn't explain or argue for or against anything because that game isn't as hard on the cpu.
what has been troubling me is that is exactly what you are saying is it proves there isn't an issue when you don't take into account anything else but one game.


Yet no "GPU dependent" lectures when someone uses a Crysis benchmark to show how awesome Intel is?

I have also mentioned video RENDERING and the minimal improvement I got from the 2600k when switching from the X6.

So, I responded to a game that was propped up as evidence of Intel superiority (which you conveniently ignored), and I pointed out that rendering times didn't go down much either. (which you also ignored)

When a Crysis 2 benchmark makes Intel look good, you are silent. When an actual in-game demonstration is shown....THEN Crysis 2 is not relevant to the discussion?

"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain."







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December 24, 2012 1:47:02 PM

Best answer selected by hitec16.
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December 24, 2012 2:10:22 PM

Really no reason to move up to the i53550 same performance as 2500.
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