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June 15, 2012 4:29:10 PM

After X-mas times i think i will upgrade my radeon HD 6870 so i can play thr latest games at high fps (Watch dogs, Crysis 3 etc) But i am not sure what card to buy, considering i have loved AMD and i do want to stay loyal to them i would like a 7970 but after looking at some reviews i noticed that the gtx 680 is considerable better performance but does indeed cost more. I can not figure out what is better for me. What do you guys/girls think?
-Stokesmellor

More about : radeon 7970 gtx 680

a b U Graphics card
June 15, 2012 4:47:18 PM

You are so far away from that I think any recommendation today would be pretty irrelevant. There should be new cards from both camps by then.

At any rate, the better comparison if you were to buy today is between the 7970 and the 670 and the 670 is cheaper by ~$50. The 7970 beats the 670 in several benchmarks, but only in a couple by more than 3 or so FPS at 1080p (assuming that is your targer resolution - 7970 pulls ahead above that).
June 15, 2012 4:49:24 PM

Ok fair enough, thanks thou. Ill see whats out at that time.
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a b U Graphics card
June 15, 2012 4:51:53 PM

if you love AMD then stay with HD 7970 which is very good card from AMD side, but my vote goes to GTX 680 it almost destroy the HD 7970 in everythin.
June 15, 2012 5:52:02 PM

xtreme5 said:
if you love AMD then stay with HD 7970 which is very good card from AMD side, but my vote goes to GTX 680 it almost destroy the HD 7970 in everythin.


Stock vs stock, the 680 is around 7% faster at 1920x1080. The cards have about the same performance when overclocked. The 7970 is also getting a clock bump soon which should make it about equal, possibly a bit faster than, the 680.

Anyways OP, after Christmas is so far away that anything today is irrelevant. While I'd be surprised to see new cards out by then, there may be substantial price drops which change the playing field substantially.

My guess is that you should wait until the next revision of cards: either the GTX 7xx series or the HD 8xxx series.
a c 185 U Graphics card
June 15, 2012 6:11:34 PM

xtreme5 said:
if you love AMD then stay with HD 7970 which is very good card from AMD side, but my vote goes to GTX 680 it almost destroy the HD 7970 in everythin.
+1 :D 
a b U Graphics card
June 15, 2012 6:21:28 PM

AMD will probably release the 8000 series by Christmas, so hold until then. I'm sure if nVidia releases the speculated GTX 685, it will be out by then. My point is, WAIT.
a b U Graphics card
June 15, 2012 6:34:35 PM

@bigmack70, look in this benchmark how does the GTX 680 brings down the HD 7970, in only crysis game the HD 7970 taken the lead and the rest of others owned by a GTX 680, have a look.

www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/508?vs=555
a b U Graphics card
June 15, 2012 6:36:04 PM

@bigmack70, look in this benchmark how does the GTX 680 brings down the HD 7970, in only crysis game the HD 7970 taken the lead and the rest of others owned by a GTX 680, have a look.

www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/508?vs=555
June 15, 2012 6:45:06 PM

@xtreme5

You should take a look at this:


and this:


And you may wanna take a look at this too:


Like I said, the 7970 at stock averages out to about 7% slower than the 680. Overclocked, the cards are about the same overall - they trade blows depending on the game.
a b U Graphics card
June 15, 2012 6:59:08 PM

still not same, gtx 680 is better in both stock and OC, remember everyone don't want to plan to overclock most people love to running the card at stock speed so here 680 wins again.
June 15, 2012 7:19:03 PM

Remember that the GTX 680 is GK104 while the GK110 is coming out later this year so you might want to wait for that information before you decide on anything seeing how those cards are going to be CRAZY!

Plus between that release and now the GK107 is coming out

GK 107 is 1.5 times faster than the GTX 680

lol I should note this

GK104 is the processor inside the GTX 680
GK107 is the processor that will be in the GTX 685 (Possibly)
GK110 is the next gen one and who knows now where and when we will see it!
June 15, 2012 7:30:34 PM

Yeah you have a solid 5-6 months before you need to pull the trigger. Nvidia and AMD will both have some great offerings on both the 600 and possibly 700 series and the 8000 series, respectively. I purchased a 670 after trying a 680 and imo it's definately the same card, I tried several resolutions on Battlefield 3 all on maximum settings and the 670 was identical to the 680 performance wise. I am an nvidia fan, I tried the 7970 but returned it several days later, not because it couldn't perform, but rather the card is just so long that it was conflicting with other components in a HAF 932A case (which is a huge case). Other than the fact that the card was huge, it was still a great performer none the less. Each card has benefits, and each card has flaws. AMD still has the advantage of running 3 monitors off a single card, to some people that is just worth it's weight in gold.

But like everyone has said in this post, they will both have some great offerings in the not so distant future, I hope you find what you are looking for.

Case closed.
a c 185 U Graphics card
June 15, 2012 7:42:34 PM

Well AMD should be back on top sooner than later but for now the GTX 680 will keep violently raping HD 7950 and HD7970 lol.
a b U Graphics card
June 15, 2012 7:48:26 PM

impossible nvidia won't let the amd became on the top, same story of intel and amd.
a b U Graphics card
June 15, 2012 7:51:41 PM

for now you can get the GTX 680 with it's good performance, later when the new cards shows up then sell your current one and add some more bucks to get the newer one.
June 15, 2012 7:53:49 PM

xtreme5 said:
still not same, gtx 680 is better in both stock and OC


Not sure how you get that (other than fanboyism?), because if you ignore synthetics from Xbit labs' benchmarks, you get the following:

At 1080p, a 7970 @ 1070 MHz is 4.7% faster on average than a 680 @ 1137 MHz. A 7970 @ 1150 is 4.7% slower on average than a 680 @ 1186 MHz.

However, if you remove the Dirt 3/Dirt Showdown results (which is the only difference in test suite, and where combined each card gets a solid victory + solid defeat), the end result is that the tests show the cards to be within +/- 2% of each other. That's definitely within the margin of error to call 7970 OC = 680 OC. Especially when you consider that the average OC on the 7970 is a bit higher than 1150 (1200), but 1185 is roughly the average OC for the 680.

If you can find a test suite of many games showing the 680 OC to be greater than 7970 on average, by all means then post it. But don't go around spamming the nonsense about how one is better than the other. Any test suite using a broad sampling of games shows them to be so close that it's a tie.

I've been saying this for months - if you don't want to overclock, get the 680 (this is most people, I believe). If you do, get the 7970: you get a better overclocking experience and the same performance, and the card is more available and often cheaper as well.

You should check out -Jackson's posts in the Kepler discussion thread before you go around championing Kepler as a great card for overclockers.
a b U Graphics card
June 15, 2012 8:21:07 PM

bigcyco1 said:
Well AMD should be back on top sooner than later but for now the GTX 680 will keep violently raping HD 7950 and HD7970 lol.



You must be out of your mind I went from 7970's to SLI 680's now I am back to the 7970's. Reason better drivers and catalyst control panel is way better than Nvidia's. With the GTX 680 in SLI there were a lot of fps drops, the 7970's has a constant 120 fps most of the time in BF3
a c 103 U Graphics card
June 15, 2012 8:51:44 PM

redeemer said:
You must be out of your mind I went from 7970's to SLI 680's now I am back to the 7970's. Reason better drivers and catalyst control panel is way better than Nvidia's. With the GTX 680 in SLI there were a lot of fps drops, the 7970's has a constant 120 fps most of the time in BF3


+1

The Crossfire scaling for 7970s is amazing at high resolutions, 90-95% gains in each game
a c 185 U Graphics card
June 15, 2012 9:43:11 PM

redeemer said:
You must be out of your mind I went from 7970's to SLI 680's now I am back to the 7970's. Reason better drivers and catalyst control panel is way better than Nvidia's. With the GTX 680 in SLI there were a lot of fps drops, the 7970's has a constant 120 fps most of the time in BF3
:lol:  was just kidding and being a ass i don't know how any them cards really preform other than by looking at benchmarks i still am using x2 560TI in SLI :cry: 
a b U Graphics card
June 15, 2012 9:49:21 PM

xtreme5 said:
impossible nvidia won't let the amd became on the top, same story of intel and amd.



AMD has been on top for a very long time with their 6950 5970 and 6990 series of cards, this new generation is too early to tell. The 7970 and 680 trade blows, but the 600 series fails in compute. Currently AMD has a full range of 28nm parts and with Llano and Trinity I would say they are still very much in the top spot.
June 15, 2012 9:56:09 PM

redeemer said:
AMD has been on top for a very long time with their 6950 5970 and 6990 series of cards, this new generation is too early to tell. The 7970 and 680 trade blows, but the 600 series fails in compute. Currently AMD has a full range of 28nm parts and with Llano and Trinity I would say they are still very much in the top spot.


:ouch:  What's that?! Red blood flowing through someone's veins on this forum!? Thought this was a green-blood only area. Hmmmmmmm...

Anyways, you pretty much have to be a fanboy to say that AMD was "on top" with 6xxx series vs GTX 5xx series... they didn't really have anything to compete with the GTX 580 (the 5970 doesn't count), and the 6990 was a joke... it sounded like a vacuum under full load.
a b U Graphics card
June 15, 2012 9:56:53 PM

bigcyco1 said:
:lol:  was just kidding and being a ass i don't know how any them cards really preform other than by looking at benchmarks i still am using x2 560TI in SLI :cry: 



Yeah these cards are just so close especially in dual configurations, Kepler uses less power but doesn't really run much cooler. I guess you shouldn't care since you got SLI 560's !




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a b U Graphics card
June 15, 2012 9:58:46 PM

BigMack70 said:
:ouch:  What's that?! Red blood flowing through someone's veins on this forum!? Thought this was a green-blood only area. Hmmmmmmm...

Anyways, you pretty much have to be a fanboy to say that AMD was "on top" with 6xxx series vs GTX 5xx series... they didn't really have anything to compete with the GTX 580 (the 5970 doesn't count), and the 6990 was a joke... it sounded like a vacuum under full load.



Dude I got both setups SLI 680 and Xfire 7970, The 6990 is too loud watercool it. Now the GTX 590 had us laughing when they burnt out remember that.

Where is Matto?


Now you tell me who would know better. How can I be a fanboy when I have both brands!
a b U Graphics card
June 15, 2012 11:42:45 PM

oh well, and when does the 6950,5970 and a 69000 became on the top i don't see haha! Are you kidding right ya, 580, and 590 are still on the top. The future upcoming cpu's of amd couldn't beat beat an the king 2500k, bigmack70, am i right hhahaha!! :D 
a c 103 U Graphics card
June 15, 2012 11:44:41 PM

BigMack70 said:
:ouch:  What's that?! Red blood flowing through someone's veins on this forum!? Thought this was a green-blood only area. Hmmmmmmm...

Anyways, you pretty much have to be a fanboy to say that AMD was "on top" with 6xxx series vs GTX 5xx series... they didn't really have anything to compete with the GTX 580 (the 5970 doesn't count), and the 6990 was a joke... it sounded like a vacuum under full load.


That depends on what you consider to be "on top". The HD6000 series, especially the 6970, had amazing performance per watt and a very comfortable entry price. It's true that they didn't have anything to compete directly with the GTX 580 but the 580 had a power draw that made many users uncomfortable and was unaffordable for many others.
a c 185 U Graphics card
June 16, 2012 12:46:01 AM

redeemer said:
Yeah these cards are just so close especially in dual configurations, Kepler uses less power but doesn't really run much cooler. I guess you shouldn't care since you got SLI 560's !


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well it kinda does matter to me because i need to upgrade these poor things i have really abuse them badly lol but so far i just have not found a single card that will out preform them more than 30% percent on my budget 300.00 so i can't justify to myself it worth buying anything yet :??: 
June 16, 2012 1:45:13 AM

I think you guys should calm down and ask a very logical question. stokesmellor, What is your target resolution? the gap between the 7970 and the 680 tends to close as the resolution increases.

Also, please mention the CPU you're using.

I add my voice to the guys saying that it's still too early to decide
a b U Graphics card
June 16, 2012 1:59:34 AM

*vomits* Good lord the fanboi'ism is thick. The cards are pretty close either way, 4-7% to me doesnt really equate to one kicking anothers ass. Both cards are great, but price for performance right now the 670 all the way and I have 2 7970s in xfire. AMD isnt going to release the 8000 this year, wtf did you come up with that? And also, the GK110 I believe has already been relased and are workstation cards. But feel free to feel cool and purchase one for gaming :)  So much BS info in this thread. When will these threads stop seriously? They are asked multiple times a day and for how long now? Do a damn forum search, look at the benchmarks, here or 100 other sites.
a c 185 U Graphics card
June 16, 2012 2:29:35 AM

@vrumor honestly these kind of threads will never stop sad but true there are many reasons why but one of the biggest one is to many with big ego who think very highly of their self and their knowledge
a b U Graphics card
June 16, 2012 2:34:06 AM

I just sit back and chuckle. People are so blind as to a brand, honestly ive been an AMD guy for a long time, and ATI. However right now I would go with 2 670s if I hadnt already purchased the 7970s due to power, and performance and biggest of all, price. And my next build will be Intel. Just hate that people give bad info based on their prejudice. It is true the new 600 series outperforms the 7000s, however its made out to be this huge advantage, and it isnt. At least present it correctly and not go off the deep end, that isnt too much to ask, or is it?
a c 539 U Graphics card
June 16, 2012 2:40:31 AM

redeemer said:
Where is Matto?

Thanks for the invite. I was hoping to sit this worthless discussion out.

As usual, you guys are quibbling over a few FPS one way or the other. That is a worthless debate. Different cards are favored by different games. Step outside the FPS/performance discussion and what do you see?

1. Graphics quality options
2. Drivers
3. Unique technologies
4. Power/performance
5. Price/performance
6. Noise
7. Performance match with the games that one actually intends to play (BF3? Skyrim? Max Payne 3? Aliens vs. Predator? Metro 2033? Etc.)

I'll let you guys figure out which card is better.
a c 185 U Graphics card
June 16, 2012 3:34:44 AM

You guys think this is bad you should see what happens when a GTX480 get's mentioned all hell breaks lose ahahahahaa talk about pathetic.... i never seen grown men bicker worse those kinds of topics even start up conversations on ways to save money on electric bill by picking a different GPU it get's so petty you can't help but pop some popcorn and sit back and watch the show :lol: 
a c 103 U Graphics card
June 16, 2012 3:49:18 AM

bigcyco1 said:
You guys think this is bad you should see what happens when a GTX480 get's mentioned all hell breaks lose ahahahahaa talk about pathetic.... i never seen grown men bicker worse those kinds of topics even start ways to save money on electric bill by picking a different GPU it get's so petty you can't help but pop some popcorn and sit back and watch the show :lol: 


Dude the GTX 480 is the best!

If you say otherwise you'll get accused of trolling

It can do everything from cooking eggs to heating up an orphanage in the middle of Winter in Russia. I wish it could play games though
a c 185 U Graphics card
June 16, 2012 3:52:27 AM

Pinhedd said:
Dude the GTX 480 is the best!

If you say otherwise you'll get accused of trolling
In case you have not noticed i have been in those stupid petty disputes sticking up for the gtx480 as that my sons gaming card and it's a beast but you need to change the cooler imo ;) 
a c 103 U Graphics card
June 16, 2012 3:54:35 AM

bigcyco1 said:
In case you have not noticed i have been in those stupid petty disputes sticking up for the gtx480 as that my sons gaming card and it's a beast imo ;) 


The last NVidia cards I owned were two watercooled GTX 280s. The amount of copper required to cool those things actually warped the motherboard. After several RMAs and crappy NVidia chipsets I went with a P45 motherboard and a HD 4890. The 280s were pretty good otherwise though
a c 185 U Graphics card
June 16, 2012 4:07:19 AM

Yeah i am not saying the 480 is the best choice but if you replace the cooler like i did for my son seems to keep him happy and i have played a few games with him like BF3 on very high settings i was pretty impressed smokes one of my 560TI for sure which cost me around the same price lol
a b U Graphics card
June 16, 2012 4:10:01 AM

matto, don't you think at this level 680 outperforms the HD 7970 every bench says it clearly.
a c 185 U Graphics card
June 16, 2012 4:16:36 AM

Guys honestly who cares there both beast GPU why does one half to be better than the other why can't it just be if your happy with it that's all that matters
a b U Graphics card
June 16, 2012 3:00:13 PM

17seconds said:
Thanks for the invite. I was hoping to sit this worthless discussion out.

As usual, you guys are quibbling over a few FPS one way or the other. That is a worthless debate. Different cards are favored by different games. Step outside the FPS/performance discussion and what do you see?

1. Graphics quality options
2. Drivers
3. Unique technologies
4. Power/performance
5. Price/performance
6. Noise
7. Performance match with the games that one actually intends to play (BF3? Skyrim? Max Payne 3? Aliens vs. Predator? Metro 2033? Etc.)

I'll let you guys figure out which card is better.



Ah the good old Nvidia ad/marketing, Matto we miss you!
a b U Graphics card
June 16, 2012 3:07:33 PM

xtreme5 said:
matto, don't you think at this level 680 outperforms the HD 7970 every bench says it clearly.



It all depends on the situation, like I have already stated the 7970 xfire have less performance dips. Both 680 and 7970 oc very well. I have both setups and both are great, with the 7970's use more power. Matto was created a list of pros for Nvidia

1. Graphic quality options! come one Matto you are reaching there!
2. Drivers! well the 600 series had terrible driver worst the the 7970 when it came out, smoothing out now however.
3. Unique tech!, boost clock, adaptive vsync are garbage for enthusiast.
4 I agree
5. Gk104 core priced @ high end bracket= ripoff
6. Reference gtx680 is quite noisy
7. Depends
a c 185 U Graphics card
June 16, 2012 5:43:54 PM

Anybody know if the 7850 can be overclocked to GTX580 level? I am having a hard time believing that but if it's true i might buy a MSI or Asus 7850 since i broke one of the blades on one of my 560TI this morning
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a b U Graphics card
February 14, 2013 6:20:15 PM

For now BEST WAY IS TO GET 7970 and OC it or 7970ghz, you ll get higher fps in games than 680 with latest drivers and its cheaper.
With good OC and drivers you get about 20-30 fps higher than 680.
February 14, 2013 6:28:10 PM

Factory OC'd 670 will do just fine. Cheaper then the 7970 and you will see very few differences in FPS
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