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August 6, 2012 10:25:27 PM

Hi everyone,

I have never built a computer, but I have been researching a lot and I was wondering if you can help me out with the following. I have narrowed it down to this and I just want to make sure that it is all compatible, and that i will be able to play games on max settings (Guild Wars 2, Arma 2 for starters).

Please please let me know if anything here sucks or worse is not compatible, so here it goes:


• Case ($100)

Sentey - Arvina GS-6400B Full Tower Case - White
http://www.xoxide.com/sentey-arvinags6400b-casewhite.ht...

• DVD Drive ($30)

Lite-On LightScribe 24X SATA DVD+/-RW Dual Layer Drive IHAS424-98 - Retail (Black)
http://www.amazon.com/Lite-On-LightScribe-Layer-Drive-I...

• Hard Drive ($70) ****Upgrade?

Western Digital Caviar Blue WD5000AAKX 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

• Motherboard ($170)

Gigabyte Intel Z77 LGA 1155 AMD CrossFireX/NVIDIA SLI Dual LAN Dual UEFI BIOS ATX Motherboard GA-Z77X-UD5H
http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-CrossFireX-NVIDIA-Mother...

• CPU
UNDECIDED

• GPU ($230)

NVIDIA: EVGA 01G-P3-1561-AR GeForce GTX 560 Ti FPB (Fermi) 1GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

• RAM ($95)

CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

• Power ($110)

Thermaltake TR2 800W Power Supply
http://www.xoxide.com/thermaltake-tr2800w-powersupply.h...

I have not chosen a CPU, could you please give me advice? I would love to stay under $250 as I have seen they
can hurt the wallet a good amount XD

I am up to a bit over $800, so i guess not including shipping and HOPING that i will be able to make everything work without having to pay someone to put it together a total of roughly: $1,050

Also, I have been reading and I have a few more questions:
is 16 GB RAM too much? or is it worth it?
is 800W too much/little for this set up and possible future upgrades down the road?
Would I need more cooling?
Did I make good choices?
and again, will this work/ is it compatible?

Thanks so much in advance to everyone!
-Bruno

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August 6, 2012 10:36:40 PM

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is 16 GB RAM too much? or is it worth it?


Not if it's a gaming rig.

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is 800W too much/little for this set up and possible future upgrades down the road?


750W is pretty much the norm these days - you won't need more than that and anything that is is pretty much overkill.

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Would I need more cooling?


You won't know that until you get your build up and running and see which way your air flows and how much heat your system generates. It's pointless to buy any extra fans until then.

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Did I make good choices?


Case and PSU - no. Sentey makes horrible cases that fall apart really easily, and Thermaltake PSUs are not the most reliable. That GPU is OK but there's better choices in that price range.

Try this build:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-3450 3.1GHz Quad-Core Processor ($149.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: ASRock H77 Pro4/MVP ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($97.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($43.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($258.44 @ Mwave)
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: Corsair 650W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.98 @ Outlet PC)
Total: $772.42
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-08-06 18:36 EDT-0400)
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August 6, 2012 10:40:42 PM

Hi.
I have a couple suggestions.

Video card- 7850 is superior to the 560 TI. Although if you're firm on an Nvidia card, its not that much worse.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Hard Drive- For not much more, you can have twice the capacity:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM- No 16GB is not really worth it. 8GB is plenty. You can save some money there and compensate for the more expensive Sapphire 7850 I linked you to.

Power- 800 watts is a lot more than you need for a single video card. Also Thermaltake is not one of the best brands for power supplies.
Superior power supply (And cheaper)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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Case- My advice would be to avoid Sentey cases, they're cheap trash to be perfectly blunt with you. In that price range, you might look at NZXT Phantoms, they're very high quality and around that same price range.

CPU- If you don't want to overclock, i5-3450. If you do want to overclock, I'd look at either the 2500K or 3570K. Both perform about the same for gaming.

Motherboard- Cheaper and the same features for the most part:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I think my modifications might have even saved enough that you could step up even higher than a 7850 and go for a 7870.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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August 6, 2012 10:44:23 PM

This allows you to add another one of those GTX 660 ti's later on in SLI.


http://www.amazon.com/Asus-P8Z77-V-LK-Intel-Motherboard... $139.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Asus P8Z77-V LK Intel Z77 DDR3 LGA 1155 Motherboards

or....

http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-CrossFireX-NVIDIA-Mother... $134.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Gigabyte Intel Z77 LGA 1155 AMD CrossFireX/NVIDIA SLI W/HDMI, DVI Dual UEFI BIOS ATX Motherboard GA-Z77X-D3H

http://www.amazon.com/Intel-Core-i5-3570K-Quad-Core-Pro... $219.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Intel Core i5-3570K Quad-Core Processor 3.4 GHz 4 Core LGA 1155 - BX80637I53570K

If you don't want to mess with over clocking then look at this cpu down below...

http://www.amazon.com/Intel-i5-3450-Quad-Core-Processor... $199.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Intel Core i5-3450 Quad-Core Processor 3.1 GHz 6 MB Cache LGA 1155 - BX80637I53450

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008MF3R82/ref=amb_lin... $49.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Patriot Memory Intel Extreme Masters 8 GB (2 x 4GB) PC3-12800 CL9 Memory Kit - PVI38G160C9K

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-AD-7280S-0B-Internal-Drive-B... $16.99 & eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping on orders over $25
Sony AD-7280S-0B 24x SATA Internal DVD+/-RW Drive (Black)

http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Enthusiast-Certified-Comp... $89.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Corsair Enthusiast Series 650-Watt 80 Plus Bronze Certified Power Supply Compatible with Intel Core i3, i5, i7 and AMD platforms - TX650

http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/4873/nvidia_geforce_g... <----- GTX 660 ti 2GB (est. retail $300 & due for release August 16th)

http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Premium-64bit-System-Buil... $88.73 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64bit (Full) System Builder DVD 1 Pack

Here's another case to have a look at.

http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Carbide-Tower-Gaming-Comp... $99.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Corsair Carbide Series 400R Mid Tower Gaming Computer Case - CC-9011011-WW
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August 6, 2012 10:45:37 PM

You really should stop posting those unconfirmed benches of the 660 TI from a website (TweakTown) that at best, obtained them unlawfully, or at worst is completely pulling them out of their ass.
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August 6, 2012 10:49:47 PM

nekulturny said:
You really should stop posting those unconfirmed benches of the 660 TI from a website (TweakTown) that at best, obtained them unlawfully, or at worst is completely pulling them out of their ass.

Talk to Tweak Town.

btw they did the same thing with the 3770K a month before it was released and they hit it dead on. So like them or hate them they get it done.
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August 6, 2012 10:53:24 PM

Why_Me said:
Talk to Tweak Town.

btw they did the same thing with the 3770K a month before it was released and they hit it dead on. So like them or hate them they get it done.

I'm talking to you, you're the one posting the link.
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August 6, 2012 10:53:29 PM

Thanks so much! I really appreciate it! Also, I was thinking of sticking to full towers mainly because since it would be my first rig, I would want space inside to work with… but g-unit you suggested a mid tower and I am not sure what the NZXT is.

I think I will look into OC'ing. In that case, which CPU would be best? 2500k or 3570k?

And for motherboard, H77 or Z77?

Thanks again,
Bruno
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August 6, 2012 10:55:08 PM

P.S. the things I am being linked to, are they compatible with each other? haha :p 
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August 6, 2012 10:56:01 PM

NZXT Phantoms are full towers, I have one thats black w/ green trim. Pay attention when looking for them at sites if its an NZXT Phantom 410, its a mid tower.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

For overclocking, either one is fine. For gaming, they perform the same.

For the motherboard, Z77 chipset is necessary to overclock H77 chipsets do not support it.
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August 6, 2012 10:57:56 PM

brun0 said:
P.S. the things I am being linked to, are they compatible with each other? haha :p 

Yes.
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August 6, 2012 11:00:07 PM

nekulturny said:
I'm talking to you, you're the one posting the link.

If you got a problem with it talk to the mods but I'm getting tired of your spiel.
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August 6, 2012 11:01:12 PM

Why_Me said:
If you got a problem with it talk to the mods but I'm getting tired of your spiel.

I just might actually. Since tweaktown is freely admitting they are circumventing the law, Tom's Hardware mods might not appreciate you linking their site which in effect generates them income via their advertising affiliates.
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August 6, 2012 11:01:52 PM

brun0 said:
Thanks so much! I really appreciate it! Also, I was thinking of sticking to full towers mainly because since it would be my first rig, I would want space inside to work with… but g-unit you suggested a mid tower and I am not sure what the NZXT is.

I think I will look into OC'ing. In that case, which CPU would be best? 2500k or 3570k?

And for motherboard, H77 or Z77?

Thanks again,
Bruno

Some mid towers are as large if not larger than other manufactures full towers. Antec full towers for example are tall and skinny and about worthless imo. You don't need a bunch of wasted space.

You want a 3570K and Z77 board if you plan on over clocking.
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August 6, 2012 11:04:39 PM

nekulturny said:
I just might actually. Since tweaktown is freely admitting they are circumventing the law, Tom's Hardware mods might not appreciate you linking their site which in effect generates them income via their advertising affiliates.

Are you serious? Toms even links to other review sites in their articles. Now take a hike.
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August 6, 2012 11:12:24 PM

Yes, I'm serious. And I have sent a message to the mods. If they do nothing, I'll let it be, and never bring it up again. Beyond that, if you're getting butthurt over it, I might suggest a Midol.
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August 6, 2012 11:21:22 PM

nekulturny said:
Yes, I'm serious. And I have sent a message to the mods. If they do nothing, I'll let it be, and never bring it up again. Beyond that, if you're getting butthurt over it, I might suggest a Midol.

Some guy who has a cat avatar along with an AMD build in their sig that includes a 750w psu and a 550ti is telling me about Midol? Be nice or I just might slap your boy friend right after I eat at Chik-fil-A. From now on try the PM system on here if you have a beef instead of screwing with someones thread on here.
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August 6, 2012 11:23:21 PM

Why_Me said:
Some guy who has a cat in their sig along with an AMD build that includes a 750w psu and a 550ti is telling me about Midol? Be nice or I just might slap your boy friend right after I eat at Chik-fil-A. From now on try the PM system on here if you have a beef instead of screwing with someones thread on here.

What are you like 14? Seriously. Talk all the trash from behind the computer you want. I guarantee you don't have the stones to threaten my boyfriend in person. You have no idea who you'd be dealing with. I can promise you that.
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August 6, 2012 11:33:03 PM

nekulturny said:
What are you like 14? Seriously. Talk all the trash from behind the computer you want. I guarantee you don't have the stones to threaten my boyfriend in person. You have no idea who you'd be dealing with. I can promise you that.


ROFL. You made my day. Amazing how threads can evolve into pansy sniping.
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August 6, 2012 11:37:45 PM

Smeg45 said:
ROFL. You made my day. Amazing how threads can evolve into pansy sniping.

Yea, well, lol. Hey, I thought I was being reasonable, if the mods don't have a problem with the link to Tweaktown, so be it, I'll shut up about it. If hes gonna be a cry baby and talk smack after I did what he suggested I do in the first place..... Well what can I say, I could talk all kinds of trash on the forum too, and stoop to his level, but I won't. All I can say is, if someone thinks they can assault or insult my boyfriend and walk away from it on their own power.... Good luck. And like Forrest Gump, thats all I have to say about that.
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August 6, 2012 11:38:20 PM

Next insult will draw a serious ban.
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August 7, 2012 12:26:11 AM

sorry this is late, but another noob question: would I have wifi connection with these specs we have been talking about? And which part of the comp would that be under?

Thanks again!
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August 7, 2012 12:30:10 AM

brun0 said:
sorry this is late, but another noob question: would I have wifi connection with these specs we have been talking about? And which part of the comp would that be under?

Thanks again!

Some motherboards do have on-board wi-fi. However, it is generally on very expensive high-end mobos. It is usually more cost effective just to get a PCI based Wi-Fi card rather than pay more for a motherboard with the feature on-board. None of the mobos mentioned in this thread have on-board Wi-Fi.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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August 7, 2012 12:49:39 AM

brun0 said:
Thanks so much! I really appreciate it! Also, I was thinking of sticking to full towers mainly because since it would be my first rig, I would want space inside to work with… but g-unit you suggested a mid tower and I am not sure what the NZXT is.

I think I will look into OC'ing. In that case, which CPU would be best? 2500k or 3570k?

And for motherboard, H77 or Z77?

Thanks again,
Bruno


The NZXT Phantom 410 is an excellent case for the price - it's very nice looking for the price: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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August 7, 2012 1:50:38 AM

I heart my Phantom. Call me an AMD fanboy but thats a lie!. I am hardcore in love with this case. :lol: 
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August 7, 2012 2:49:01 AM

I'd get a HAF XM over a Phantom, personally speaking.
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August 7, 2012 2:56:52 AM

Eh, I don't have a problem recommending CoolerMaster cases, I often do. Only complaint I really have about them is they cut corners on stuff. Its those "little touches" that make or break computer case quality. Some of these companies really don't know or care how much (at least to me) they impact my decision to buy them based on how cheap the thumbscrews feel or how flimsy the hard drive tray is, or if the case is painted outside and inside.

Although the XM looks like it got a good seal of approval
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Cooler-Master-HA...
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August 7, 2012 6:00:12 AM

I agree, but my recent HAF purchase was very impressive - the standoffs were stamped according to different mobo sizes which is certainly a plus. I don't think Coolermaster cuts many, if any, corners on its gaming cases.
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August 7, 2012 9:30:06 PM

I was also wondering if I would need an aftermarket CPU cooler since I plan on OC'ing the CPU.. and what are some good yet not wallet killer options?

Thanks again
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August 7, 2012 9:30:36 PM

And again when it comes to the tower size, will the parts we have discussed fit in either a full size and a mid tower case?
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August 7, 2012 9:31:19 PM

I was also wondering if I would need an aftermarket CPU cooler since I plan on OC'ing the CPU < yes you willget the Hyper 212 EVO
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August 7, 2012 10:08:40 PM

brun0 said:
And again when it comes to the tower size, will the parts we have discussed fit in either a full size and a mid tower case?

Yes. Although not all mid towers, full towers are created equally. Some cases have poor wire management, some mid towers are big for a mid tower some full towers are small for a full tower. This is why I suggest finding something you find aesthetically pleasing and check out some reviews on it. You should take your time picking out a case, not only does it have to be practical, but its an art piece that defines your computer, it should be something you like.
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August 7, 2012 10:39:32 PM

Best answer selected by Brun0.
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August 8, 2012 2:58:33 AM

My favor is going to fall upon the Asus, by brand alone. The Asrock is probably equally good in all honesty though. However, Gigabyte, I'm the wrong person to ask. I don't like em, I don't recommend em, and the reason is purely based on the fact that I had one die on me and had to deal with their inept "tech support" who in the end just passed the buck and told me to call TigerDirect and "let them deal with it".

Could have happened with any other brand. Anything mass produced has the risk of having a few bad eggs, and I'm sure Asus' tech support is just as inept. But the difference is, I haven't had to deal with them over a DOA product. :lol: 
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August 8, 2012 3:21:58 AM

ah ok, and in regards to the quality of what is in it? like the sound cards, or the different ports.. if we only look at that which would be the best? And correct me if i am wrong but they each have one hdmi port, would that be enough?

(Because the other hdmi goes to the GPU right? I think* :p )
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August 8, 2012 3:27:11 AM

They all support the same standards, and features for the most part with very little variation (if there is any), off hand I don't see any. The difference in quality would come from the overall construction, mosfets, capacitors, etc.

The video card ports are irrelevant if there is a difference between em, but I don't think there is at first glance. Cus yes, with a discrete video card thats where you plug the monitor into, not the mobo.
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August 8, 2012 3:47:18 AM

ok awesome! sorry I have so many questions and I appreciate you coming back on this post to help.

For something like a mid-tower phantom or a corsair carbide 400r/500r … would using dual GPUs through crossfire/ SLI ever be an option due to space?

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August 8, 2012 3:51:28 AM

Yes, they'd be fine for dual card setups, some mid-towers can be lousy, Sentey cases for example. But NZXT and Corsair are both brands that simply have never to my knowledge made a sub-par computer case, mid or full tower.


And you're welcome, although I got work in the AM, so I gotta sign off. If you have any more questions I shall be back tomorrow.
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August 8, 2012 5:06:29 AM

I have chosen everything except for the GPU.. do you think I should wait until the 16th and look at the 660 ti or go for the 7850, or maybe the 7870 (dont know yet depends on final budget)?
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August 8, 2012 6:39:00 AM

If you wait for the GTX 660, prices will drop. I'd recommend the HAF XM as a good case.
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August 8, 2012 10:33:19 AM

Its up to you. I really don't want to stir up the idiotic argument again, either way I will say based on Kepler (GTX 6xx) releases so far, in the GTX 680/670, theres nothing in the series that AMD video cards can't smash at a similar price. But maybe the 660 TI will change that, I'm not holding my breath.
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August 8, 2012 2:51:29 PM

How long would it take for prices to drop? And do you think the 660 ti, if it goes for $300, that it will be better than the 7870? I guess there is no reliable comparisons until it comes out so we wont know til then?
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August 8, 2012 2:54:05 PM

BUT if Why_Me's article is correct, would that mean that it is a better card than the 7870? I had no idea what stats was looking at in the pictures of the article XD

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August 8, 2012 11:37:28 PM

brun0 said:
BUT if Why_Me's article is correct, would that mean that it is a better card than the 7870? I had no idea what stats was looking at in the pictures of the article XD

In theory yes. But I have 2 major problems with that article, one you know, one I havent mentioned, but here they are again.

1. Its a leak. It may be accurate, it may be a complete lie.

2. Based on that article, it states they ran the AMD cards with AMD Catalyst 12.4. Thats an outdated driver version. AMD is currently using 12.7. Which, initially the GTX 670 and 680 outperformed the direct price point competitor 7970. However, since the implementation of Catalyst 12.7. The 7970 is now the highest performer. In some cases it substantially outperforms GTX 670/680s. In theory this should have a trickle down affect to all of the AMD video cards in the 7xxx series. Including 7870s. Why_Me can bellyache all he wants, but if tweaktown didn't use Catalyst 12.7, their testing is flawed. The site says they benched it 6 days ago, theres no excuse for them not to have run the most up to date drivers. This is why you don't trust shady sites with "leaked" benches.

Benchmarks from a reputable Tech site running Catalyst 12.7.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6025/radeon-hd-7970-ghz-e...


I'm not saying you shouldn't wait the couple weeks for the 660 TI, or that it won't be better than similarly priced AMD video cards, all I'm saying is before you decide on it, take the time to check out benches from a reputable site with current drivers. Simply put TweakTown's benches, if accurate, make the 660 TI look better than it actually is against AMD cards.
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August 9, 2012 3:42:26 AM

I believe I will be getting the:

Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 GHZ OC 2 GB GDDR5 Graphics Card (11199-03-20G)

so this, a 2500k with its own Evo cooler and that GPU… how much power do i need? 650? 700? 750?

Also should i even attempt to also OC this GPU? or since "OC" is in its name it is already faster? and if i did need to.. i would need a better gpu cooler/fan? which is a good price/quality gpu cooler for this 7870?

I also took a picture with all other parts i chose.. put cant find a way to attach the pdf to show you for a final approval? :p 
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August 9, 2012 3:51:56 AM

probably will not mess with the OC'ing the OC version :)  so stock fan :) 
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August 9, 2012 12:11:31 PM

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so this, a 2500k with its own Evo cooler and that GPU… how much power do i need? 650? 700? 750?

500 watt would actually probably be okay, but I'd go ahead and get 600-650 just to be on the safe side.

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Also should i even attempt to also OC this GPU? or since "OC" is in its name it is already faster? and if i did need to.. i would need a better gpu cooler/fan? which is a good price/quality gpu cooler for this 7870?

You are correct, it already is overclocked. But yes you could probably push it further if you wanted to. You wont need an aftermarket cooler, it already has one on it. When AMD or Nvidia make a graphics card, they call it a "reference card", that all their affiliate manufacturers like Sapphire copy off of to make. When you see the factory overclocked cards, they will have a better cooler on them than the reference cards.

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put cant find a way to attach the pdf to show you for a final approval?

I think Googledocs gives you that ability.
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