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GTX 560 Ti and the ATI 6870

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June 17, 2012 2:10:08 AM

Hello, first time poster. I recently built a budget rig with an i3 2100 and ATI 5670. I have now about 200$ to spend on a new graphics card. Which offers better performance for 200$, the ATI 6870, or the GTX 560 Ti?

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June 17, 2012 2:12:50 AM

Oh yeah, I forgot what I would be doing with it. I'll mostly be using to play games like Max Payne 3, Arkham City, maybe Battlefield 3, SC2, Diablo 3 and triple A titles.
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June 17, 2012 2:19:27 AM

the GTX 560 ti is better.

It goes:

560 ti > 6870 > 560

However, it depends your monitor resolution, as I was tossing up the 560ti vs 6870 ($260 vs $300) but for me, I am only running a 1280x1024 res monitor, so the extra money simply wasn't worth it, but I can run *anything* at my current res on Ultra no worries!

However, you may experience difficulties going from an ATI video card to an Nvidia one, and I would recommend a reinstall to ensure you get the best possible results.

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June 17, 2012 2:21:29 AM

My monitor's resolution is 1920x1080, and if this helps my power supply is 450watts with 80+ bronze.
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a c 91 U Graphics card
June 17, 2012 2:25:16 AM

hmm, the 450 watts is going to be tough to work with. 500W is recommended for all those cards.

as for $200, this is the best deal right now. blows all of those cards out of the water
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

what brand is your power supply and how many Amps does it have on the 12V rail?
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June 17, 2012 2:32:45 AM

No clue about some of the power supply jargon, but what I'm seeing from the page +12V 1 24 A, -12V 0.6 A.
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June 17, 2012 2:40:10 AM

Get the GTX560ti. But 6950 is the best for $200 as vmem said. You just need a better psu.
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June 17, 2012 2:41:54 AM

So with the power supply I have now, I should get the GTX 560 Ti. Thanks for the help, I'm pretty new to PC building.
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June 17, 2012 2:46:16 AM

frakinhunter said:
So with the power supply I have now, I should get the GTX 560 Ti. Thanks for the help, I'm pretty new to PC building.


yup, 560ti is your best bet working with 450w

btw, since you said you're new to PC building, any chance you can return that PSU for a lightly more powerful one? personally I think a 550W or 600W would have you sitting pretty on future upgrades. a quality PSU typically lasts a few rebuilds or 5-10 years, so it's a worthwhile investment
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June 17, 2012 2:47:16 AM

zakattak80 said:
haha, so true he is on a row with the 480s


had a chat with recon the other day, he agrees he'll drop the 480 for the 6950 if it unlocks. wish I had a spare $200 laying around to buy it and try unlocking it myself lol
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June 17, 2012 2:48:11 AM

I would say this is best GPU at that price point it's a little better than GTX560TI SAPPHIRE 11188-22-20G Radeon HD 6950 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card (OC Edition)

Free BF3 & Dirt3 coupons w/ purchase, limited offer $199.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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June 17, 2012 2:52:26 AM

vmem said:
had a chat with recon the other day, he agrees he'll drop the 480 for the 6950 if it unlocks. wish I had a spare $200 laying around to buy it and try unlocking it myself lol
A lot of the reviews on newegg say it doesn't unlock but i would take that with a grain of salt as newegg review are not proven facts.
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June 17, 2012 2:54:21 AM

bigcyco1 said:
I would say this is best GPU at that price point it's a little better than GTX560TI SAPPHIRE 11188-22-20G Radeon HD 6950 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card (OC Edition)

Free BF3 & Dirt3 coupons w/ purchase, limited offer $199.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

he's limited to a 450W PSU... getter be safe and go with the lower end card
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June 17, 2012 2:55:32 AM

Unfortunately, the power supply was recycled from my uncle's computer when he upgraded to a bigger wattage, so I can't return it.
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June 17, 2012 2:57:13 AM

For $200, you could get a GTX 480 if your PSU can handle it. It would beat even the above linked card significantly, but is a power hog and does generate a lot of heat.

EDIT: just read that you have a 450w PSU. Yeah, you'd want a better PSU regardless of what graphics card you upgrade to except maybe for the Radeon 7770. The 7770 can be overclocked to be faster than even an overclocked 6870 (although it's not much of an advantage) without using as much power as even the 6850. It should work well with your PSU.
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June 17, 2012 2:58:16 AM

zakattak80 said:
haha, so true he is on a row with the 480s
So what's wrong with that if you add a better cooler the GTX480 go toe to toe with R7850 and GTX570 ;) 
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June 17, 2012 2:59:13 AM

vmem said:
he's limited to a 450W PSU... getter be safe and go with the lower end card
True my bad i missed that part :pfff:  sorry OP
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June 17, 2012 3:00:52 AM

frakinhunter said:
Unfortunately, the power supply was recycled from my uncle's computer when he upgraded to a bigger wattage, so I can't return it.

perfectly understandable

well, to clarify. all three cards, the 560ti, 6870, and the 6950 have a recommended power supply wattage of 500W from Nvidia/AMD. HOWEVER, we know the 6950 is the fastest and known to consume more power than the other two, between the 560ti and the 6870, Nvidia are known to be a little more environmentally friendly than AMD, so the 560ti should consume less power. if you look at this comparison for reference:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/290?vs=330

scroll down to the bottom and you'll see the 560ti does indeed consume less power than the 6870. since most power recommendations tend to over-estimate things, I'd say you should be safe with a 560ti on 450W
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June 17, 2012 3:07:49 AM

vmem said:
perfectly understandable

well, to clarify. all three cards, the 560ti, 6870, and the 6950 have a recommended power supply wattage of 500W from Nvidia/AMD. HOWEVER, we know the 6950 is the fastest and known to consume more power than the other two, between the 560ti and the 6870, Nvidia are known to be a little more environmentally friendly than AMD, so the 560ti should consume less power. if you look at this comparison for reference:

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/290?vs=330

scroll down to the bottom and you'll see the 560ti does indeed consume less power than the 6870. since most power recommendations tend to over-estimate things, I'd say you should be safe with a 560ti on 450W


You ignore the fact that PSUs degrade over time. If OP's PSU can even hit 400w consistently and reliably nowadays, then I'd be surprised. A less power-hungry card should be used and that's why I brought up the 7770.
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June 17, 2012 3:15:09 AM

blazorthon said:
You ignore the fact that PSUs degrade over time. If OP's PSU can even hit 400w consistently and reliably nowadays, then I'd be surprised. A less power-hungry card should be used and that's why I brought up the 7770.


there is a big performance gap between the two cards, as the 560ti overclocks as well (granted not a lot).

anyway, you're right, the 7770 is his safest bet
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June 17, 2012 3:18:41 AM

vmem said:
there is a big performance gap between the two cards, as the 560ti overclocks as well (granted not a lot).

anyway, you're right, the 7770 is his safest bet


Yes, there is a performance gap between the 7770 and the 560 TI, but the 7770 is still a great leap over OP's previous card and can overclock about as far as the GTX 560, albeit not as far as the 560 TI.
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June 17, 2012 3:22:33 AM

Would I have any better luck with cards like the 6790, 6770, or the 550 ti?
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June 17, 2012 3:24:51 AM

The 7770 is faster than all of those and uses less power than all of them.
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June 17, 2012 3:43:49 AM

To be honest you be better off and allot happier if you did this buy this PSU Seasonic M12II 620W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... then save the left over money and start saving again till you make up the difference of the PSU cost then buy a card worth buying any card less then a GTX460 1GB 256MB or a R6850 just is a waste of money and pretty depressing gaming experience IMHO. just my two cents.

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June 17, 2012 3:45:31 AM

bigcyco1 said:
To be honest you be better off and allot happier if you did this buy this PSU Seasonic M12II 620W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... then save the left over money and start saving again till you make up the difference of the PSU cost then buy a card worth buying any card less then a GTX460 1GB 256MB or a R6850 just is a waste of money and pretty depressing gaming experience IMHO. just my two cents.


The reference 7770 is on-par with the 6850 and the 7770 can be overclocked far better than the 6850. Therefor, OP can get a card as good as or better than what you just suggested as a minimum right now if OP wanted to.
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June 17, 2012 3:48:47 AM

blazorthon said:
The reference 7770 is on-par with the 6850 and the 7770 can be overclocked far better than the 6850. Therefor, OP can get a card better than what you just suggested as a minimum right now if OP wanted to.
I wasn't suggesting he get a 6850 or 460 i should of made that more clear my bad let me be clear i was suggesting he get a 200 dollar card the 7770 is not better than a 560TI or a R6950
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June 17, 2012 3:52:29 AM

bigcyco1 said:
I wasn't suggesting he get a 6850 or 460 i should of made that more clear my bad let me be clear i was suggesting he get a 200 dollar card the 7770 is not better than a 560TI or a R6950


That is a good point.
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June 17, 2012 4:01:21 AM

blazorthon said:
That is a good point.
Thanks :D  but if you don't want to do what i suggested OP then your best bet is 7770. ;) 
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June 17, 2012 4:02:11 AM

blazorthon said:
That is a good point.

tough to convince a new builder that half of his GPU budget's better spent on a new PSU though... most neglect PSU selection completely until a fuse blows somewhere.

good news is he got that PSU from his uncle, and I really hope that like any uncle who builds computers (regular users don't give away PSUs), it's a PSU of fair quality
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June 17, 2012 4:07:04 AM

frakinhunter said:
Well I found a cheap power supply that looks alright. http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite... Maybe I could squeeze it in.


Azza is a fairly good brand and I've used them before. That is a very low price for a 500w Azza. However, I don't know how much experience anyone else here has with Azza and if their experience was as good as mine. Also, that's probably not a ver power efficient PSU, so it might still be a better idea to stick with a better-known brand and wait a month or two before to save up for a video card upgrade after a PSU upgrade.
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June 17, 2012 4:09:08 AM

Had a bad experience with a cheap PSU on my first build. it blew in just a little over a year. have stuck with seasonic and corsair every since... let's hope someone who knows Azza chims in
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June 17, 2012 4:25:13 AM

I'm considering getting a regular 560 in the meantime, the Ti and regular 560 don't seem so far apart in the benchmarks.
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June 17, 2012 4:37:35 AM

I can't offer any input on Azza PSU i never heard of that Manufacturer till now lol
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June 17, 2012 4:41:45 AM

Does anyone have any experience on the regular 560? It looks about 30 dollars cheaper and provides similar performance. Can it be overclocked?
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June 17, 2012 4:49:44 AM

The 560 does not overclock as well as the 560 TI. I'd recommend the 7770 or at least the 6870 over it, but that's me.
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June 17, 2012 4:52:30 AM

Assuming I get the power supply I linked, which at this is most likely. Is it still safe to get the 560 ti with a 500 watt power supply an a 12v rail doing 31 amps?
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June 17, 2012 4:58:37 AM

I've been burned by a cheap PSU, had to buy a new gfx card, mobo and RAM. Don't EVER skint on the damn PSU!

Do not buy the 560, the 6870 is a better gfx card, for cheaper!
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June 17, 2012 5:03:03 AM

frakinhunter said:
Assuming I get the power supply I linked, which at this is most likely. Is it still safe to get the 560 ti with a 500 watt power supply an a 12v rail doing 31 amps?


I'd say that it's reasonable, but I'd prefer a little more wattage headroom with a 550w or 600w. However, I've been accused of being overcautious before.
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June 17, 2012 5:13:54 AM

frakinhunter said:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite... How about this one? It says theres a 20$ rebate, how does that work exactly?


it works by you printing out the form, a copy of your receipt from tiger direct, and whatever else corsair wants from you for proof of purchase. mail all of that to them via snail mail, they'll usually get back to you between 1-6 months with a check for the $20. not the most reliable, but corsair's a great company, I've gotten rebates from them in the past.
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June 17, 2012 5:14:38 AM

EDIT:^Exactly this.
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June 17, 2012 6:55:53 AM

I think for now I'll hold onto my 200$, however I have one question. Do power supplies fry randomly? I have this 450w power supply and it seems to be a generic one. I don't want to start using my build (which will be until I get a better PSU and GPU limited to facebook/youtube) and having it fry on me. Is it safe right now to use this generic power supply under low loads?
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June 17, 2012 6:59:24 AM

Under low-wattage loads, it should be fine. Generics tend to fry when they overheat. So long as you keep it clean, make sure it has good airflow, and don't push it too far, it should be fine.
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June 17, 2012 8:18:54 AM

+1 Do not, for goodness sake use the likes of prime95!
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June 17, 2012 11:08:57 AM

go with 560ti its good for you
and you can play the game on highest setting
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June 17, 2012 12:02:06 PM

devil_77 said:
go with 560ti its good for you
and you can play the game on highest setting


We're much more worried about OP's PSU frying the other hardware than the games being playable in the highest settings.
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June 17, 2012 12:48:31 PM

blazorthon said:
We're much more worried about OP's PSU frying the other hardware than the games being playable in the highest settings.
+1
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