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GTX 670 fps drops problem

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June 17, 2012 4:15:18 PM

Hi,

I have problem with my new graphic card and don't know if it is driver issue or if it is defective graphic card or some other component is bottleneck ? Can you please help me?

My PC
CPU: AMD Phenom II 1090T 3,2 GHz (is bottleneck?)
MB: ASUS M4N68T updated BIOS few days
GPU: MSI N670GTX-PM2D2GD5/OC installed 301.42 WHQL drivers and also tried older drivers from CD
PSU: Corsair TX650-V2 (is it enough? )
Case: Coolermaster CM690 Dominator II
RAM: Kingston DDR3 HyperX 1600MHz 2x2GB +2x4GB
Monitor: LG W2242SM connected by VGA adapter (playing on 1680x1050)

My problem is:
In games like battlefield 2, Crysis 2, ArmaII, Alice Madness Returns, Dragon age, Skyrim my fps drops very often.
For example in Battlefield 3 (Gulf of Oman) I start game with 80fps (setting: ULTRA 1680x1050) and after 2 minutes fps drop to about 30-20 or even 17 fps. I first thought it was only big scene with many details but when i stayed in same place about 1 minute it returned to 75fps but scene was still same.
I tried:
- Change details to High - even worse , Medium and Low - still remain,
- Turn off- blur, v-sync - problem still remains
- turn off anti aliasing - Problem remains
- in nvidia control panel turn v-sync off and power management set to maximum performence, in windows too
- re install drivers - clean installation ( i try all drivers available from MSI site and Nvidia too
- Re install windows (windows 7 professional 64-bit)
- uninstall MSI afterburner, than install newer one.


I took screenshot from MSI afterburner where you can see huge GPU usage drop in game.





Thank you for any help
June 17, 2012 5:07:27 PM

Alright this may be simple fix.

1. You gotta clock that 1090t up as high,cool, and stable as you can just to rule out that factor.

2. You card is WAY too damn hot! 83c

Dynamic clock is dependent on if the card stays cool. The card will actually downclock when it is too hot.

So overclock that 1090t. Set a fan curve to that your card never gets to that point or you may have to run at 100%. Hows your air flow into your case?

So if we can rule out that the 1090t is holding it back or the card is just too hot, then we can move into the card being a dud.
June 17, 2012 6:27:13 PM

Case has 2 fans for now. Front and back.
I increase fan speed to 100%. Frame drops are still remaining. In that moment temperature of GPU was 58°C.
I think that max temperature was caused by Fur Mark (no frame drops in test) used before Battlefield 3 . In game, temperature is max about 75°C.

Overclocking of processor is not my specialty and I don't know how to do it on this motherboard yet but I try to find some tutorials.

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a b U Graphics card
June 17, 2012 7:24:26 PM

in battlefield 3 you wont feel the difference with the overclock since is a game that takes advantage of all the cores, so your problem must be something else, try uninstalling the drivers, run driver sweeper to clean everything and install again. your temperatures are a bit high for that card so try opening the side panel when playing and see how it goes
a b U Graphics card
June 17, 2012 7:27:12 PM

other thing, monitor the temperatures for the cpu too, run prime 95, and monitor the temps with core temp and tell me the max temperature you got
June 17, 2012 9:09:57 PM

I hope this screen shots will solve question about temperatures.

This is screenshot of CPU temperatures with prime95 (Max 40°C)



This is screenshot of CPU temperatures with 3Ds Max rendering (max 45°C). I think processor is good because I am using it long time and it worked flawless all the time.




This graphs are from BF3 gameplay. Temperature of graphic card max. 68°C, fan 100%, BIG fps drops like mountains. :??:  In the end of FPS graph you can see long stable low fps and then shorter stable high fps. In that time I did not move in the game. It means it was same scene all the time.
a b U Graphics card
June 17, 2012 11:40:23 PM

so its not the temperatures, have you tried reinstalling the drivers
June 18, 2012 1:13:47 AM

The graphs in your last screenshot show that the gpu usage and all clocks drop when your fps are low. In another thread today someone had a similar issue and was able to solve it with a very small overclock. While this is certainly not the most sophisticated solution, if it helps it helps.

(http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/357838-15-nividia-driver-help)
a b U Graphics card
June 18, 2012 1:25:33 AM

and try setting the power limit to the top
June 18, 2012 5:48:30 AM

megagabobe1 said:
so its not the temperatures, have you tried reinstalling the drivers


Yes I tried all available drivers and it was always clean install. Some people from Nvidia said it should be released in late June.
Yesterday I tried overclocking CPU but problems remains.


June 18, 2012 10:02:16 AM

Sorry I deleted sentence. I mean -I am waiting for next drivers which should be released this month.

Next I tried precisionX than afterburner and then expert tool to little overclock GPU core but it did not help. Next I tried to set original frequency of stock GTX 670 but still in same scene in battlefield3 60fps...30fps....60fps...30fps.
a b U Graphics card
June 18, 2012 10:17:10 AM

silky salamandr said:
2. You card is WAY too damn hot! 83c


Not really
a b U Graphics card
June 18, 2012 10:30:06 AM

Max GPU temp is 97C per NVIDIA spec

The Kepler chip will throttle at 70C and 80C in 13mhz increments which won't affect performance that much (1-2fps loss).

If the card gets to a point where it decides it is too hot (97c) it has built in thermal protection that will really throttle itself, not just downclock a little, at 83c it shouldn't be doing this.

I don't GPU temps are causing the problem.
a b U Graphics card
June 18, 2012 10:34:52 AM

It could be a memory problem have you tested your RAM?

Download memtest86 if you haven't done so already and do a memory test.
http://www.memtest.org/
June 18, 2012 1:51:57 PM

Yes I ran memtest86 4.00 and no errors.
June 18, 2012 2:16:14 PM

Many have repported this error. Hapen to myself but after the FPS loss my driver crash. The 670gtx drivers seem to be really buggy I just asked for a refund myself on my 2x 670gtx and just ordered 2x 680gtx instead.
June 18, 2012 2:45:47 PM

Roll back to the R300 beta drivers from the beginning of May. They are much better then the recent garbage that was handed out.
June 19, 2012 1:48:08 PM

Thanks everyone for help.

I went to shop to complain. They took this card and send me new one. If this do not help I give it back and I will take maybe GTX 580 or something from AMD.
June 23, 2012 12:08:09 PM

New graphic card arrived and fps drops are still here. But I find out something. When I run Kombustor about 10 minutes I get this

No fps drops. It means graphic card is OK?
Can it be something else. CPU, RAM, MB, or PSU ? Or I should wait for another drivers?
June 23, 2012 12:57:24 PM

All the games you are playing are all cpu heavy.BF3 is extremely cpu heavy in MP.Can you try bf3 SP and report frames?You cpu is really bottenecking at that res.Did you try the new beta driver?
June 23, 2012 3:15:13 PM

This is from BF3 SP Ultra, CPU oc profile 7% , 3,4Ghz,
Core clock is stable but gpu usage drop down and fps too. But it is better than MP because minimum is about 40 fps.


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June 25, 2012 8:43:14 AM

I think it is processor.
This is from running unigine heaven about 20 minutes on everything max. (33fps)


Absolutely no fps drops.
July 31, 2012 10:11:55 PM

Did you fix it was it you processor ???
August 5, 2012 12:32:17 AM

Same problem here, bought GTX 670 two days ago, random major frame drops in Space Marine, GTA IV, Streetfighter X Taken (probably any game, didn't test anything else yet) even aero gets auto disabled by windows.


CPU: Core i5 2500k
MB: ASUS Z68Vpro
GPU: Gainward GTX 670 refrence design ( Driver 301.42)
PSU: 900W Termaltake
RAM: G Skill 2x4 DDR 1600 9.9.9.24

it's not the CPU that I'm sure of it.

Edit:

take a look at this:
http://forums.hexus.net/graphics-cards/246973-fps-issue...
August 16, 2012 2:34:37 PM

Usually frame drops are overheating of a bad PSU.

If your PSU brand is less than reputable perhaps try another PSU. I always use Corsair in my builds.

Also when I got my 670 I was getting TERRIBLE 3dmark scores. I realized this was due to the fans being on the lowest setting and the card under-clocking itself due to heat. I now run the fans at max and my scores went up significantly! Try maxing your fans and see if you still have issues. Most manufactures offer some sort of tuning tool for download.
August 28, 2012 11:34:19 AM

DarkJJames said:
Did you fix it was it you processor ???


No, exactly. Processor was only symptom too. Motherboard was problem. VRM was overheating because it was build only for 95W processors and my is 125W. I changed motherboard to ASUS M5A97 Pro and problem is resolved. And also bought another fans to case.
August 28, 2012 11:37:59 AM

protivakid said:
Usually frame drops are overheating of a bad PSU.

If your PSU brand is less than reputable perhaps try another PSU. I always use Corsair in my builds.

Also when I got my 670 I was getting TERRIBLE 3dmark scores. I realized this was due to the fans being on the lowest setting and the card under-clocking itself due to heat. I now run the fans at max and my scores went up significantly! Try maxing your fans and see if you still have issues. Most manufactures offer some sort of tuning tool for download.


My PSU is Corsair too :)  TX650
And you were almost right it was overheating only component was not Graphic card or processor, but it was MB.



Thank you all for your time and advises.
August 28, 2012 3:57:19 PM

is3 said:
My PSU is Corsair too :)  TX650
And you were almost right it was overheating only component was not Graphic card or processor, but it was MB.



Thank you all for your time and advises.



Try changing the power saving setting in NV control panel to prefer max performance, it looks kepler's driver is not very stable in power management department.

August 28, 2012 4:32:46 PM

is3 said:
My PSU is Corsair too :)  TX650
And you were almost right it was overheating only component was not Graphic card or processor, but it was MB.



Thank you all for your time and advises.



Try changing the power saving setting in NV control panel to prefer max performance, it looks kepler's driver is not very stable in power management department.

October 18, 2012 11:06:16 AM

I´d like to tell another story, which could be helpful for the community:

I experienced major FPS drops, too when playing games like civ5 which demands GPU and CPU as well. Usually (and now) this game runs constantly at > 60 fps. FPS were dropping after a few minutes to < 20. All temperatures I monitored (CPU, GPU, MB from Asus FAN Xpert 2) were quite just well (< 50° C, < 75° C, < 40° C). So I didn't think about a temperature problem. The same problem exists under an entirely new OS (Win XP x64). I tried several display driver versions as well.
So it seems that there were no indicators for this huge FPS drop! The only thing which catched my eye after some time was the power consumption of my graphic card (% TDP, GPU-Z). It falls partially beneath 25 %. So I thought: Could be the PSU. I´v never had any problems with that one so far.

But thanks to the post from is3 it dawned on me ... so many thx for the hint, dude!! Did take me weeks and dozens of threads to figure out!

is3 said:
No, exactly. Processor was only symptom too. Motherboard was problem. VRM was overheating because it was build only for 95W processors and my is 125W. I changed motherboard to ASUS M5A97 Pro and problem is resolved. And also bought another fans to case.


Some weeks ago I was changing my inner workings of my machine and in the course of this I switched to an all-in-one hybrid hydro CPU cooler (Antec H20 620) - besides a turned of most of the case fans, because I love silence - In consequence of that the indirect cooling of the VRMs besides the CPU sockel dropped out and it seems that these little MOSFETs got to hot!

So my solution was quite simple: Open the case! (Or buy two NB-eLoops and build a strong air-tunnel respectively)

Lessons learned:
- Never turn of all your case fans
- Monitor ALL of your temps with an appropriate program like HWMonitor
(and know how to interprete them, especially the motherboard sensors, there are several ones)
- Begin by considering all possibilities (if u know them)

EDIT:
Random drops returned after a while :( 
In the end after some more testing it turned out the graphic card is to blaime for all the hick-hack. I´ve tested that out with a new Gigabye GTX 670 OC and the issue ended in smoke ... so card goes back. Sorry 4 all the confusion o_O

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CPU: Core i5 3550 @ 4.1GHz
MB: ASUS P8Z77-V
GPU: Gigabye GTX 670 Windforce 3X
PSU: Tagan PipeRock TG700-BZ
RAM: 2x 4GiB G.Skill RipJaws DDR3 @ 2133MHz 11 11 11 30
HDD: 2x Samsung 128GB @ Raid 0
CASE: Antec Twelve Hundred
November 5, 2012 5:21:24 PM

Hay, I am using a GeForce GTX 460M graphics card and My computer keeps dropping frame rate a lot when there is something with particles(explosions, smoke, mist,etc.), I thought my graphics card was not up too date but even games like TF2 when there are an explosion of the tractor thing in the co-op mode drops frame rate a lot.

-I decremented my stuff
-Reinstalled operating system
-Updated my Invidia drivers

Is it just a bad graphics card or what?
January 8, 2013 10:00:59 PM

Same thing happen to my hd 7950 and 660 ti i had before.

but the 7950 also have high temp problem, while 660 ti max load only reach 69c, 7950 reach all the way to 80 c. no idea why.
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