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June 18, 2012 2:32:23 AM

Hey so im choosing between these cards ( Im restricted to Amazon due to credit reasons ) My limit is 300 dollars

1.) Sapphire 7850 OC http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-PCI-Express-Graph...

2.) Msi Twin Frozr 7850 http://www.amazon.com/MSI-R7850-Twin-Frozr-2GD5/dp/B007...

3.) Gtx 570 Doubleshot http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Double-Graphics-012-...

4.) Msi Gtx 570 Twin Frozr lll Power Edition http://www.amazon.com/N570GTX-Twin-Frozr-Power-Edition/...

I have a couple questions if you could answer..

1.) I have a 720p monitor. With the GTX 570's VRAM being 1.2gb, is that enough for Skyrim on Ultra with texture mods. I heard the texture mods can make it slow without enough VRAM, but without 1080p maybe itd be ok.

2.) What would overclock the highest out of these models/whats the most powerfull overclocked?

3.) What would overclock the highest of the Double Shot and the Twin Frozr for the Gtx 570?

4.) What would overclock the highest out of the Sapphire and Twin Frozr lll 7850?

5.) Another factor is Nvidias CUDA cores and PhysX which i love. Taking that into consideration what card should i ultimatley choose?

I play Skyrim, Diablo 3, Battlefield 3, Older Games, and use Adobe products like Adobe Photoshop.

Final Question: The highest budget i can have ( if im lucky ) is 330 dollars. With this i saw these models of the 7870 i could ( maybe ) afford

Sapphire- http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-PCI-Express-Graph...

XFX Double D - http://www.amazon.com/XFX-Double-1000MHz-Graphics-FX787...

XFX Core Edition - http://www.amazon.com/XFX-Edition-1000MHz-Graphics-FX78...

Which would be the powerfullest card overclocked out of these.

Note that i will only have a CPU Cooler and two fans in my pc so i might not be able to overclock to the highest potential.

I realize this was long but im making my purchase in about three days and need to be sure of what to get. Any help would be appreciated even if you just answer one of my questions

Whoever answers them all though gets a giant cookie :D 

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a c 1378 U Graphics card
June 18, 2012 2:39:30 AM

1 for 720P 1GB is enough, a lot less pixels than 1080P
2,3,4 It would be a guess since one card of the same will overclock more than the next.
5 either of the GTX570's

I personally would get the HD7870 and probably the XFX double D.
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a c 193 U Graphics card
June 18, 2012 2:44:34 AM

My vote would also be case for the XFX version of the 7870, since it has a great cooler that also looks awesome.

1) As rolli59 has said, 1GB is more than enough for that resolution. I had a 6950 2GB on a 720P monitor and it never used all of 1GB.

2) The 7870's overclock well, but so do the 570's.

3,4) Not really sure about either of those

5) If you really care for Cuda, then the 570 would be the choice, but Physx is so obsolete in gaming today that I wonder why Nvidia still supports it. None of the games you have listed even use Physx. The list is pretty short for games that use it.

The cards would be perfect for all of the things you use them for. The 7870 would also be my choice.
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a b U Graphics card
June 18, 2012 3:02:17 AM

7870 > 570 > 7850. It all depends how much you want to pay.

If you're going with a 570, then get the EVGA simply because it's already clocked higher and is cheaper.

If you're going with the 7850/7870 then get the Sapphire for the same reason.

I would personally go with the 570 because I think it has the best value out of the three: http://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7850_HD_7870/images/pe...
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June 18, 2012 3:09:21 AM

Ironslice said:
7870 > 570 > 7850. It all depends how much you want to pay.

If you're going with a 570, then get the EVGA simply because it's already clocked higher and is cheaper.

If you're going with the 7850/7870 then get the Sapphire for the same reason.

I would personally go with the 570 because I think it has the best value out of the three: http://tpucdn.com/reviews/AMD/HD_7850_HD_7870/images/pe...


When it comes to getting a EVGA or Sapphire Gpu like a pre-overclocked edition, my thinking was that i should get a twin frozr model of the graphics card or something with a better cooler so that i can overclock it to the highest i could since i had more cooling.


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a b U Graphics card
June 18, 2012 3:11:17 AM

They all have 2 fans. To be honest, I don't know which one is the best at cooling, but I'm sure you'll be fine with either of them.
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June 18, 2012 3:11:18 AM

rolli59 said:
1 for 720P 1GB is enough, a lot less pixels than 1080P
2,3,4 It would be a guess since one card of the same will overclock more than the next.
5 either of the GTX570's

I personally would get the HD7870 and probably the XFX double D.


Do you know of any graphs or something that shows how much VRAM a 720p monitor uses? Just curious
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June 18, 2012 3:12:49 AM

Ironslice said:
They all have 2 fans. To be honest, I don't know which one is the best at cooling, but I'm sure you'll be fine with either of them.


Ok, and lol thanks for being honest
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a c 261 U Graphics card
June 18, 2012 3:14:39 AM

Some thoughts:

1. If you want CUDA, you should be looking at Nvidia cards.

2. At a given price point, like $300, the performance of different cards will be remarkably similar. Detectable by benchmarks, but not in actual game play.

3. Card designers select the appropriate amount of Vram for the card. It is factored into the performance of the card. More than reference is mostly for marketing purposes. I would ignore it for selection purposes unless you are managing multiple monitors.

4. Card vendors are wise to overclocking. They select(bin) the best chips to be used in factory overclocked versions so they can charge more. You may get lucky with an oc of the remainder stock cards, but again, you may not. Personally, I dont think a small improvement is worth the effort. We all do like something for nothing though.

5. I prefer cards with stock direct exhaust double slot coolers. They get the hot vga air directly out the back of the case. Other aftermarket coolers do a good job of cooling the vga chip in an open testbed. But in a case, but then they just dump hot air back into the case where case cooling has to deal with it. That heats up both the graphics card AND the cpu.

6. At the $300 price point, the GTX570 is currently your card. But the replacement GTX660 may launch in a reasonable timeframe.
You may find good deals on a GTX570 because Nvidia is trying to clear out the inventory in anticipation of the GTX660.
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a b U Graphics card
June 18, 2012 3:14:40 AM

I have heard that the Double Shot makes some noise though, so that may be something to consider. I'd say the Twin Frozr is more known for cooling well.
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June 18, 2012 3:19:03 AM

geofelt said:
Some thoughts:

1. If you want CUDA, you should be looking at Nvidia cards.

2. At a given price point, like $300, the performance of different cards will be remarkably similar. Detectable by benchmarks, but not in actual game play.

3. Card designers select the appropriate amount of Vram for the card. It is factored into the performance of the card. More than reference is mostly for marketing purposes. I would ignore it for selection purposes unless you are managing multiple monitors.

4. Card vendors are wise to overclocking. They select(bin) the best chips to be used in factory overclocked versions so they can charge more. You may get lucky with an oc of the remainder stock cards, but again, you may not. Personally, I dont think a small improvement is worth the effort. We all do like something for nothing though.

5. I prefer cards with stock direct exhaust double slot coolers. They get the hot vga air directly out the back of the case. Other aftermarket coolers do a good job of cooling the vga chip in an open testbed. But in a case, but then they just dump hot air back into the case where case cooling has to deal with it. That heats up both the graphics card AND the cpu.

6. At the $300 price point, the GTX570 is currently your card. But the replacement GTX660 may launch in a reasonable timeframe.
You may find good deals on a GTX570 because Nvidia is trying to clear out the inventory in anticipation of the GTX660.


Thanks for the thought out answers! So basically you would say a gtx 570 with a aftermarket cooler like the twin frozr edition would be the best?
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a b U Graphics card
June 18, 2012 3:22:14 AM

No, he meant that a GTX 570 with a stock cooler will be the best, such as this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
because while it doesn't keep the GPU itself as cool, it exhausts air out of the back of the case instead of into the case. If you want an aftermarket cooler you need a case with good airflow.
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a c 261 U Graphics card
June 18, 2012 3:24:04 AM

BethesdaFan said:
Thanks for the thought out answers! So basically you would say a gtx 570 with a aftermarket cooler like the twin frozr edition would be the best?



GTX570, yes.
Aftermarket cooler no.
Look at something like this EVGA GTX570 superclocked:
http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Superclocked-Mini-HDMI-Lifet...
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June 18, 2012 3:25:55 AM

Ironslice said:
No, he meant that a GTX 570 with a stock cooler will be the best, such as this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
because while it doesn't keep the GPU itself as cool, it exhausts air out of the back of the case instead of into the case. If you want an aftermarket cooler you need a case with good airflow.


Oh ok. This is the case i was looking at http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Elite-Window-RC-430...

You think that would be good enough air flow?
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June 18, 2012 3:27:56 AM

geofelt said:
GTX570, yes.
Aftermarket cooler no.
Look at something like this EVGA GTX570 superclocked:
http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Superclocked-Mini-HDMI-Lifet...


I now get that i wouldnt have as great of airflow in my case, but wouldnt a aftermarket cooler make my gpu cooler and therefore more friendly to overclock? I have some fans and a cpu cooler so it shouldnt heat up to bad in there
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a c 261 U Graphics card
June 18, 2012 3:30:55 AM

BethesdaFan said:
Oh ok. This is the case i was looking at http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Elite-Window-RC-430...

You think that would be good enough air flow?


Good enough. There is room for an added intake fan in front. Wait until after you build to see if it is really needed. Fans are cheap and easily installed later.
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a c 261 U Graphics card
June 18, 2012 3:37:38 AM

BethesdaFan said:
I now get that i wouldnt have as great of airflow in my case, but wouldnt a aftermarket cooler make my gpu cooler and therefore more friendly to overclock? I have some fans and a cpu cooler so it shouldnt heat up to bad in there


If you have a heat problem on your graphics card, the OC is dangerously high. Graphics cards run hot, but are built to do so.
The problem is that extra heat in the case heats up the air the graphics card needs to supply to the graphics cooler. It also heats up the air supplied to the cpu cooler so that will not be as effective either. What you really want is cool airflow THROUGH the case.
If a case has two 120mm intake fans, or the equivalent in output fans, you will have sufficient airflow.

If you are worried about cooling, look for a 28nm based card like the GTX670 or a 7950.
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June 18, 2012 3:39:48 AM

So i wanna keep this thread open for awhile for more opinions but right now im thinking a GTX 570 DoubleShot or GTX 570 Twin Frozr for under 300 dollars. I know IronSlice said that the DoubleShot apparently makes some noise but all i care about is which card stays cooler. ( Unless the noise is really bad )

And im also still thinking about there only being 1.2gb of video memory on the Gtx 570. I know everybody said it should be fine on a 720p monitor but i cant find any graphs or videos of how much vram a 720p monitor uses on a game like Battlefield 3.

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June 18, 2012 3:41:31 AM

geofelt said:
If you have a heat problem on your graphics card, the OC is dangerously high. Graphics cards run hot, but are built to do so.
The problem is that extra heat in the case heats up the air the graphics card needs to supply to the graphics cooler. It also heats up the air supplied to the cpu cooler so that will not be as effective either. What you really want is cool airflow THROUGH the case.
If a case has two 120mm intake fans, or the equivalent in output fans, you will have sufficient airflow.

If you are worried about cooling, look for a 28nm based card like the GTX670 or a 7950.


Im not worried about cooling but i just figured the cooler the card the more overclocking. And i cant afford those cards
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a b U Graphics card
June 18, 2012 3:43:11 AM

You won't even use 1.25GB with a 1080p monitor. 2GB cards are only needed for multi monitor set ups. It literally will make no difference in performance to get more then 1.25GB.
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June 18, 2012 3:44:33 AM

Don't get a 570, that doesn't make much sense its on the older 40nm process, why wouldn't you got a 28nm chip for the power and heat savings alone.

7870 is your best bet in this price range, new card more efficient architecture (compared with 570).
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June 18, 2012 3:47:09 AM

Ironslice said:
You won't even use 1.25GB with a 1080p monitor. 2GB cards are only needed for multi monitor set ups. It literally will make no difference in performance to get more then 1.25GB.


Battlefield 3 can use up to like 1.5gigs of vram on 1080p and i heard Skyrim, the main reason im building this computer, can use alot of vram using texture mods which ill be using
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June 18, 2012 3:49:35 AM

Maximus_Delta said:
Don't get a 570, that doesn't make much sense its on the older 40nm process, why wouldn't you got a 28nm chip for the power and heat savings alone.

7870 is your best bet in this price range, new card more efficient architecture (compared with 570).


I just care about how powerful the card is and from what i see/heard the gtx 570 is more powerful then the 7850. I dont really care about power and heat savings that much if another card i can buy is more powerful.

If my budget allows it though which ill find out in the coming days, ill definently get the 7870
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